What’s the ‘Dill’ with Pickleball? PTs Talk Injury Trends & Opportunity

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You're listening to the PG Pinecast,

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where smart people in healthcare come to

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make noise.

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Here's your host, Jimmy McKay.

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Well, this is the first,

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if you're watching the live stream,

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haven't had outfits like this.

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I'll describe,

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but let me kick this thing off.

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They've presented at state conferences in

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costume,

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championed the fastest growing support

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America,

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and now they're storming the national

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stage with a session guaranteed to wake up

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even the groggiest Friday morning crowd.

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From clever titles to courtside wisdom,

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they're bringing a paddle-powered

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conversation to

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to APTA's Combined Sections meeting.

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We've got Kristen Walls and Diane Fleming.

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Ladies, welcome aboard.

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Thanks for having us.

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So let me set the stage.

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I've got to describe it for the podcast

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listeners.

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Both of you, well, Diane, you're wearing,

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it looks like a ball made of pickle

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is the costume.

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Correct.

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I love it.

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Yeah, Z-Ball made a pickle.

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And then, Kristen,

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you look like you are the official mascot

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for the sport of pickleball.

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Just a large,

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oversized Halloween costume with a pickle

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holding a paddle and the word pickleball.

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Pickleball club.

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Love the fact that...

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Love the fact, oh, you're the racket.

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That's a racket.

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That's your out.

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Okay, so you're the pickleball.

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Got it now.

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I'm a podcast host.

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I'm a little slow.

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Got it.

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That's a paddle.

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Your costume is shaped like a paddle.

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Okay,

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so now that we got that out of

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the way, you guys are giving a talk.

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This all makes sense.

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You guys just didn't decide to wear the

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costumes.

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It all comes back.

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You guys have a session at CSM called

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What's the Dill?

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Uh-huh.

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With pickleball.

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Uh-huh.

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Anybody?

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I love puns.

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Where's this start?

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We got here.

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This is close to the end.

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Diane, where's this start?

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What's the deal?

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I think what is so great about this,

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Kristen and I worked side-by-side for a

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while in an outpatient facility.

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I was geriatric.

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Well,

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I still have my board-certified geriatric

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specialist.

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She's board-certified in sports.

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You know,

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there was so much crossover between the

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two and with Pickleball being on the rise,

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it felt like the best time for a

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crossover.

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Yeah.

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So many, you know, it's listen,

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everybody loves an underdog.

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Everybody loves the new thing.

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And then the new thing becomes, oh, gosh,

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I don't understand the hate to Pickleball.

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I played it a few times.

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It's not my complete jam.

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I'm not playing it every other day,

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but I totally get why people are into

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it.

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It's fun if you like those sort of

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things and it's not a lot of equipment

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required for setup.

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I know my little town,

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tiny little town pivoted and threw up like

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four courts in what seemed like a month

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and a half.

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This thing turned around really quick.

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Kristen,

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why pickleball and why now for physical

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therapists and healthcare professionals?

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Some of the things I said,

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catch the rising star, right?

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I mean, jump on the thing that's rising,

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right?

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Right.

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Right, definitely.

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I think we saw a gap in literature

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and in presentations on this.

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There's actually not been a presentation

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on this on the sports side or the

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geriatric side.

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But this year at CSM,

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sports will actually be doing the same

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topic.

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And so will we.

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And USA Pickleball is going to try to

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collaborate and be upon sight.

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So, yeah, I think now is the time.

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We're seeing an increase in injuries.

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from these athletes.

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And so I think physical therapists need to

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be ready to treat and care for these

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athletes.

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Yeah, agreed.

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I've heard before.

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Do you need to be a volleyball player

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to treat volleyball players?

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I'm not discounting sports-specific

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knowledge.

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I'm sure there's smarter people than me.

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But listen,

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if people are going to be walking into

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your clinics with injuries from

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pickleball... And listen,

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it involves moving and pickles and

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paddles.

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I mean,

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just the head injuries alone from someone

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letting go one of those things...

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you should at least understand the physics

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of the sport, how it works,

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what might be overused, what just,

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just so you, you know,

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almost like what to expect if you're

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expecting a pickleball injury to walk into

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your clinic.

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Um, so Diane,

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how have patients or communities responded

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to pickleball as part of rehab or activity

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promotion?

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That's gotta be part of your conversation.

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You know, I,

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I wish that was more of the conversation,

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but I feel like the,

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how it got more into the field was

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on the injury side because it got so

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popular so fast people who hadn't been

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active their whole lives are suddenly

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active again and uh you know some had

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never played sports some had been athletes

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growing up but having you know those ones

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that didn't have fundamentals were getting

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not just like a little sprain here and

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there they're getting achilles ruptures or

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you know tearing rotator cuffs or getting

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eye injuries there's a lot of

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concussions, like you said, you know,

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there's from falls there's, I think,

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and with it being such an inclusive sport

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regardless of age you know, it's very,

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you know, you know,

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young people and old people play together

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and, you know, at different levels,

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you know,

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depending on your rating and your score

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that, you know,

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when you get in this like competitive

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field that they're starting to get a

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little more active and they're not,

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some people aren't quite ready for it.

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So that's,

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I think that's how it got a little

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more introduced into like the PT realm.

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Listen, this thing went from like funny,

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goofy backyard sport to ESPN holding

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championships on TV in like, you know,

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the time it took to make a ham

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sandwich with a little bit of a dill

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spear on the side.

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This was quick and it exploded.

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It's not hard to understand the rules,

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right?

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They're simple relatively, right?

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A couple extra rules different than

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tennis, but a little more access.

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And the funny part was people were

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resisting, which I thought was humorous.

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We're always saying, hey,

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do more and be active.

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And here was a bunch of people who

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were like,

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let's go whack this little big wiffle ball

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around.

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And people were like, oh, my God,

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they were up in arms.

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But that's just what happens.

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People hate the popular thing,

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and they can hate the popular thing all

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they want.

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You guys are still going to do this.

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So you guys have...

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correct me if I'm wrong,

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you've dressed up in costume and presented

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before.

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What did that moment say about how we

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should teach or present in PT?

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I mean,

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obviously you're going to walk out there.

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We're going to get some giggles,

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but like coming from my world,

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doing something in a novel way is step

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one.

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You have to win attention before you get

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attention.

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So what does that sort of say about

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how we present?

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Do we all need to be wearing shirt

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and ties or should we be just up

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like a giant pickleball paddle more often?

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You know,

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I think one of our big points.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Can you hear me?

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You're good.

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One of our friends and we just really

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wanted to bring the fun back.

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So conferencing can be kind of dry and

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dull and boring.

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We wanted people to laugh doing squat

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tests in their chair,

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almost blowing their pants out.

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We wanted to make it fun.

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Not only do we make it fun for

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our patients,

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we need to make it fun for ourselves.

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Agreed.

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Listen,

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Kirsten just set the bar and she set

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it high.

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If someone doesn't leave that presentation

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with a blowout in their pants,

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then I think you guys have missed the

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mark.

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So no pressure.

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All right.

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So what do you hope people will feel

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besides maybe a blowout in the seams of

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their pants during your CSM session?

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What the deal?

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Diane,

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what's what do you want people to walk

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away with?

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What's the what's the exit goal?

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My hope is that when people hear the

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word geriatric, they don't think hospital,

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they don't think dying.

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They don't think their best years are past

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them.

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I want people to think like, you know,

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we want, we want physical,

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we want life across the lifespan.

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And that's what I'm hoping to convey with

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this, that, you know,

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that there's physical therapy is so fun on

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all stages and that, you know,

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Your soul,

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just because your body is eight years old,

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your soul never changes.

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There is so much to still, gosh,

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the competitiveness of some of the older

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athletes that you see.

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It's very inspiring.

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It gives you hope.

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It gives you what you can really look

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forward to with aging.

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I love that.

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How will you know success, Kristen?

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What does success look like to you or

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feel like to you?

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I think to see across settings come in,

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not just geriatrics,

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but sports and neuro and students and

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everyone in between to come in and engage

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in this hot topic.

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I think the other fun part with this

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is we will actually see this probably be

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an Olympic sport soon.

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So I think in like twenty thirty perhaps.

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You just can't believe it, can you, Jimmy?

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Yeah, it's good to be there.

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There's no way it's not going to be

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there.

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I mean, the Olympics are smart.

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The Olympics understand what game they're

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in.

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They're in the attention game as well.

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It didn't have to ferment.

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It did not have to percolate.

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This thing went from,

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is this kind of fun,

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to literally everybody and their mom are

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doing it,

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which is sort of something that PT wants

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to glom onto.

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Let's take a different pivot.

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We'll go with Diane first and then

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Kristen.

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Same question.

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Let's say a physical therapist listening

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wants to pitch a non-traditional topic

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like you did

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at a future conference,

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what advice would you give them?

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What were the things that you maybe did

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right to get this goofy, silly thing,

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and I'm using air quotes,

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to maybe pass some of the people who

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are a little more traditional?

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We need, in my opinion,

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we need more people dressed like giant

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pickleballs, right?

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But how do we make sure that the

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person gatekeeping in a good way,

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you getting on that stage,

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can see what the outcome is?

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So what advice would you give for someone

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who's like, I got a crazy idea,

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but I don't know how to get it

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on stage, Diane?

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I think, you know,

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your passion for your project is

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important.

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If you, especially if you have the idea,

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what was great about like having like

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Kristen by my side was like this sports

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and geriatric and all put together.

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So I feel like having, you know,

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it was not something that was just

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isolated to one group, but lean into it.

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I think if you go for, you know,

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what you're really aiming, like, yeah,

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I think if you can target your audience,

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know who your audience is and go for

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it.

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Yeah,

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that's a communications and marketing

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angle, but it's a PT angle as well,

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right?

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Right.

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I think Chris has got a little snow,

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so we'll stay with you, Diane.

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I think the paddle just hit the microphone

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a little too hard.

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So here's the game, Diane.

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It's multiple choice.

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I'm going to toss you some topics.

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You tell me whether you're all in, pickle,

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or if you'll skip it, pass.

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We'll bring Kristen back in.

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Kristen, can you hear us now?

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Yes.

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All right, personal.

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We're playing a game called Pickle or

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Pass.

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I'm going to toss you some topics.

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You tell me if you're all in, pick,

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and just scream out, pickle,

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or if you skip it, pass.

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And then feel free to explain maybe why.

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Number one, hosting a seven a.m.

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session at CSM, pickle or pass?

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She's passing.

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She jumped out of the live stream.

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Passed.

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Yeah, seven a.m.

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is early.

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Good thing you're coming from Columbus and

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we're going to L.A.

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It's going to be later in your brain,

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so we're going to be okay.

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Let's see.

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PT's treating patients on the pickleball

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court.

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Pickle or pass?

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Pickle.

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Heck yeah.

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Why?

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I mean,

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where else are you going to really test

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their skill?

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I mean, gosh.

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I had a patient shot putter,

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a sixty-eight-year-old shot putter for the

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Senior Olympics.

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I went and met up with her at

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a local high school one afternoon and we

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just went through together.

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But, I mean, why not?

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You're going to see the best mechanics

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there.

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I mean,

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if you can't set it up in your

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gym, yeah, go for it.

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Love it.

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Love it.

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Playing pickleball in running shoes.

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Are there special shoes for pickleball?

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I am not aware.

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So, because the court is smaller,

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the shoes are supposed to fight.

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inversion a little bit so they're a little

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bit more built up but I think it's

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fine to wear tennis shoes pass on the

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special shoes save yourself I always tell

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people listen if you want to start a

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podcast wait till episode twenty before

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you buy anything fancy I'd say wait till

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you know fifty matches in pickleball

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before you go buy any specific pickleball

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clothing or shoes or you can get like

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a four hundred dollar racket yeah

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uh let we got two uh we got

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two more serving underhand in life pickle

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or pass i don't even know what that

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means i'm gonna say pass okay smart and

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what is the deal is because you have

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to serve a certain way and pick a

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ball it's not like a regular tennis thing

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overhand the ball has to bounce before you

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hit it and it has to like bounce

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on their side but um i mean i

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mean

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I feel like when you serve overhand,

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right, that's more power,

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that's more intentional.

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Got it.

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All right, last question.

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Wearing costumes to present research,

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pickle or pass?

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Wearing costumes to present research.

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Dil Gherkin.

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Yeah, I would go all over that.

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There was a research competition by,

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I can't remember,

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like NIH or something like that,

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where they had a competition.

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You had to dance your research.

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You had to do a dance video.

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And I remember a physical therapist,

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we had her on the show,

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Margaret Danilovich, won a huge prize.

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I think it was NIH.

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It was something legit.

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And she had to dance her research.

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And she got real...

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This is years ago before we all made

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goofy videos every ten minutes.

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She put a lot of time and effort

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into that.

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All right.

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Last thing we do on the show.

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Kristen knows this,

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even if she's dressed like a pickleball

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paddle is the parting shot.

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This is the parting shot.

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One last mic drop moment.

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No pressure.

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Kristen, while we got you, parting shop,

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what is your thing you want to leave

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with the audience?

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I don't know if she can hear us.

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Diane, you're up.

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Parting shot.

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What do you got?

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We're going to pivot.

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I think what I want for people to

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come to this because it has a little

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something for everybody.

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It's got sports.

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It's got geriatrics.

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It's got kinematics.

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It's got risk factors.

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It's got interventions.

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There's everything you would want to learn

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about in the pickleball room.

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And two women dressed.

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And ready to play.

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And ready to play.

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Perfect.

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All right.

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We're having some audio video issues with

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Kristen.

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So we lost her right there.

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But listen,

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make sure people understand when they can

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visit too.

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When is the session?

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Yeah, our session is Friday morning,

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eight a.m.

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We'll see you bright and early.

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Listen, if you're going to be at CSM,

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it's like Vegas.

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It's a twenty four hour clock.

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Diane,

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thanks for doing this and making it fun.

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You've already lowered the resistance bar

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for getting people the barrier to entry.

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You're you're you're keeping it down low.

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That's right.

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Keep it fun.

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Keep it fun.

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Keep it fun.

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Always less than one for Diane and

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Kristen.

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Thanks for coming out.

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That's it for this one,

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but we're just getting warmed up.

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Smash follow, send it to a friend,

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or crank up the next episode.

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Hit us at pgpinecast.com.

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Or find us on YouTube and socials at

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And legally, none of this was advice.

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It's for entertainment purposes only.

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Bullshit!

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See, Keith?

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We read the script.

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Happy now?