"Do or Do Not”: Star Wars Lessons Every Physical Therapist Should Know

0:03 Rebecca Griffith, the EDDPT is live. Happy Monday morning to you. How are you doing? Good morning. I'm okay. The state of New York Department of Public Works or whoever's in charge of like putting the words on the electronic road signs on highways. Yeah. They understood the assignment yesterday because I was driving on the interstate and it said, slow down, you must arrive safely, you will. which is a gigantic nod yesterday being made the fourth with being a play on words of may the fourth be with you, which is of course a nod to star Wars. May the force be with you. So I'm driving for ninety minutes yesterday and I think we have to turn this into some sort of episode or some sort of lessons to learn because star Wars is chalk on chock full of philosophy and lessons and you've only fallen asleep during one of the movies and Yeah, I'm telling you, my role here is skeptic.

1:01 You got the wrong Griffith, right? Every Griffith in this house is a huge Star Wars fan except for me. So I did prepare. I talked to my resources. I talked to my thirteen and fifteen year old and I'm ready to go. Like, I get it. I think we're talking to the right Griffith because I'm going to turn you over away from the dark side towards the light. Well, I have read probably eight million Star Wars kids books to my kids. So like I do have some concept of what's going on. But anytime somebody says May the Fourth be with you, I always want to say and also with you, because like I was raised Methodist. So I just now that I've said that, I feel complete and like we can move on.

1:41 Yeah, we're fine. All right. I do want to shout this out because some people do ask us this in the background. But if you're looking to start your own podcast, this episode is brought to you by PT Pinecast Media. If you ever thought about launching a podcast to grow your brand, your clinic, your business, we can help now. Rebecca, we have a whole team of people now to bring other people's podcasts to life. Isn't this great? It's amazing. It's amazing. Just DM me on LinkedIn or just send me an email, jimmyatptpodcast.com, and let's get your voice out into the world. So you do know who the tiny green person is. Yes. And I'm not talking about the tinier green person. I'm talking about the original green person being Yoda.

2:21 The OG and not Grogu, who is what everybody refers to as Baby Yoda. But Yoda once said, do or do not, there is no try. I know that one. You know that one. Another rogue smuggler didn't care what the odds were. And somewhere in between... Jedi, rebels, and even a Sith, even the bad guys or two, leave us with lessons that, believe it or not, can shape how we lead, grow, and navigate our real lives in twenty twenty five. I have actually on several forms when it asks what your religion is, I have listed Jedi as my religion because I was just too frustrated with the question and just decided to be fun. But actually, that is on the U.S. census. You can list Jedi as a religion in the United States.

3:02 Did you know that? I did not know that. You can. All right, so I decided to pull out seven Star Wars quotes with real-life lessons attached today. So the first one probably is the most famous. I just alluded to it. It comes from The Empire Strikes Back. Yoda is the ultimate guide, the ultimate teacher. He teaches Luke, who's sort of the star of most of the episodes in the original trilogy. He's teaching Luke about commitment on Dagobah. All right, so Luke crashes his X-wing, looking for this guide, comes across this little green man, assumes, I don't want to spoiler alert for you, he assumes there's no way this little green man could be a wise and powerful Jedi, but turns out he actually is.

3:47 So the quote is, do or do not, there is no try. You said you've heard this one, this one's famous. What does this one mean to you? There are no wrong answers in philosophy in Star Wars. Well, so what I like about this quote and how I would apply it, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, is that you can't just like wait for something to happen or talk about trying, like you have to just do the thing. And so there are days where I'm like, I don't think I can do this. This doesn't feel like, like I was giving a presentation this last week. with a bunch of vestibular specialists. And I'm like, I'm not a vestibular specialist. I can't do this, but I'm gonna try. And then I was like, no, I'm gonna do this. Like I can actually do this. And there's a voice that I can provide here in this space.

4:29 So I think like just committing to it and going forward. I love it. Yes. Agree. Again, no wrong answers. Practical takeaway. I think this is in twenty twenty five about going all in. Half effort is an effort. You don't get to round up effort to a completed task. So if you replace I'll try with I will set clear goals, make a plan, take action. You know, Richard Branson didn't try to launch Virgin Atlantic or any of his companies. He just was like, I'm brash enough to do it. And you have to you sort of have to go all in. a little bit you know sort of rounds down do or do not is a mindset shift and that shift fuels real progress a lot of people are thinking about they're in the planning stages they're in that run-up you ever like jump into a pool or something and you do those stutter steps to sort of time yeah you can take off from the edge I feel like I understand this to be true Because I've been guilty of this, of saying like, I think, I will, eventually I'll put it on my plate.

5:31 If you're not going to do it, don't talk about it. Do or do not, there is no try. So I think we start off with a pretty good quote there from the little green guy, Yoda. I think it's good for our patients too. Like I need you all in on your recovery and we'll be all in on it together. But then my question for you is who's your PT Yoda? Oh yeah. Yeah. Who's my PT Yoda personally? If you were going to say a physical therapist in your life was your PT Yoda, who would it be? Oh, Skye Donovan. She was my original Yoda from PT school. And that's the cool thing, right? You don't have to know. I know Skye Donovan in real life. I don't want to brag, but I know her in real life. But you don't have to. It could be sort of a disembodied voice. People use the Bible or the Koran or any religious books as those things, right?

6:14 Wasn't Jesus the original Yoda? Had a bunch of disciples or whatever. So I think you can look at this as anything. It could be a real person. or they could be a person of religion, or they could be a movie. We're going through Star Wars, right? We're pretending these people were real. But I think the lessons that they were teaching is real. What about you? Oh, about Lisa Van Hoose. I mean. There you go. So why? What about Lisa? Because everything she says that comes out of her mouth is a lesson, right? And even if it's not intended to be that way, I take it that way. And I always think more deeply and leave better than I came. Even when I think I'm really right about something, she's like, well, she always asks the right question, I guess.

6:59 Yeah, no, I've said this before. Sky Donovan was the worst professor I ever had because I would ask her, can you tell me the answer to this question? And she'd be like, let's talk it through. And I'm like, no, I just want the answer. And she was smart enough to understand by giving me the answer, it would be stopping my growth. Instead, of course, good teachers would make you think, or why did you think that answer was wrong? Or what was your thought process? Or I could see that. Or how do you think it now? Yeah. Right. It's like it's such a trick. It's such a Jedi mind trick of what really good. That's where that's where it comes from. Right. Is like getting you to think because the purpose of really good teaching or leading is like that person is not going to be there in every context. So maybe them teaching you how to think, not what to think.

7:40 I think that's probably a lesson, too, is if someone's trying to tell you what to think, probably not a good probably not a good mentor. Yeah, I think you're probably right. That's that's a guru, right? Yeah, okay. Trying to think. We'll get to it, but are there gurus in Star Wars? We'll get to it. All right, quote number two and lesson number two, a day after May the Fourth Be With You. How about this one? Are you familiar with Qui-Gon Jinn? No. Qui-Gon Jinn was played by Liam Neeson. So this quote is, your focus determines your reality, Qui-Gon Jinn. This comes from The Phantom Menace. Qui-Gon tells Anakin- Spoiler alert, Anakin becomes Darth Vader.

8:22 So it's baby Darth Vader. Qui-Gon tells Anakin how powerful focus really is. So a real life application is your focus determines your reality. In a world of noise, listen, we're doing a live stream right now. You're watching it on a social platform while you're listening to audio books. You're half doing your job or you're driving when you're listening to this is released on a podcast. In a world full of noise, Your focus is your most valuable currency. That's the twenty twenty five application. So you you haven't watched Phantom Menace, right? What was the one Star Wars movie that you did watch? The one with the girl in it and Luke Skywalker. Oh, like Carrie Fisher?

9:03 No, no, no, like the new girl. Oh, Rey. So one of you got it. So she's badass. Yeah, right, right. My dog has that as one of her middle names because of that character. Well, you obviously embrace the force in the Griffith household. So your focus determines your reality. Even without listening to Qui-Gon Jinn or watching The Phantom Menace, how would you take this? Or what is your takeaway of your focus determines your reality? I think mindset matters. And so I talked to my kids about that a lot. Like your mindset around this matters and how you like. So one example, my son won the mile high league champion. for the sixteen hundred, the thirty three hundred, the eight hundred, the four by eight hundred this last weekend.

9:44 And last year when he was really getting into varsity track and cross country, I was talking to him about his mindset right before he raced because he'd be like, I'm not going to be able to do this. I can't do this. Maybe if I get like this place, then maybe I'll be able to keep going. And I was like, no, like we've got to like replace those thoughts with our focus on you're prepared, you're fast, you're ready to succeed, like really focusing on that performance mindset. And I think this is part of that. And the first time I tried to do that with him, he was like, this is ridiculous. I was like, I promise all the high level athletes do this. And we made up a mantra for him to focus on until he got through that race. And that was the best race he'd had to date.

10:25 And he qualified for state as a freshman, was like ready to go. He was like, it worked mom, like I did it. And so now we do this routinely and he's just crushing it. He was league MVP and he's just doing great. And so we apply that in different ways, whether it's like school tests, like business, all of that. Like, what is your mindset around this? How can we shift that? Love it. Yeah, it's funny that you bring up athletes because there's a very famous athlete who has used your focus to determine your reality. Michael Phelps was huge. I mean, it's probably the first time I ever heard of visualizations on that level. Michael Phelps, Olympic swimmer, champion, multiple record holder of all time, used to stay laser focused.

11:08 In things like running and swimming, when there isn't a ball to chase, and I know this because I am a runner and a swimmer, mediocre at best at both if you lose your focus in these things it can get real hard to continue training I mean swimming is the ultimate sport where you go from point a to point a and try to go it's like how do you stay motivated that way so you have to visualize like how these things are going to go you know I think it was a lesson somewhere I think I heard on a podcast michael phelps's coach can't remember his name but a famous swimming coach um somehow like his goggles came off at a practice race. And he like, he was like, you keep going. Because if that happens in the final heat of the, you know, a hundred butterfly, we're going to do ask for a read.

11:53 There's no takes backsies. So you visualize what would happen in all those situations or how you want this to go. But if something goes sideways, if you visualize it and practiced it, you're better prepared for it. So I think Qui-Gon's advice here is pretty good. And from the Phantom Menace. Well, I think also when you have that focus, you do the work to go with it. Correct. It's not just manifesting, right? It's like, I don't know, people say giving feet to prayer. Like that's kind of what this is. Like your focus becomes your reality because you're focused on it. So you do the work that you need to do to get there. Yeah. Okay. So that's Qui-Gon. That's number two. Third quote from Star Wars.

12:33 How about this one? Obi-Wan Kenobi says, says, in my experience, there's no such thing as luck. He drops this to Han Solo in A New Hope. Essentially, it's not about luck. It's about preparation. Real life application, take ownership. Success usually comes from effort, not chance. Or put in the reps, prep hard, and then you're ready when opportunity strikes. Yeah. So having never heard this one in my experience, there's no such thing as luck. How would you take this lesson or how would you teach this lesson to someone? I feel like people say things like that a lot.

13:14 Like that person's just so lucky that they get to do that. They're just so lucky that they got chosen for that. He's so lucky that he won that race when in fact, There's so much preparation work that really goes on behind the scenes. There are advantages different people have for sure. And I think we can acknowledge that. But for the most part, I think luck also doesn't really exist in my life. If luck is coming around, it's usually something like I'm so lucky that I got the last Diet Coke. It's not like I'm so lucky that I got that patient or whatever the case may be, because I agree there. I don't think there is such a thing as luck. Yeah, I agree. Do you know who Jimmy Carr is? He's like a British comedian. He's a European comedian. Super funny. I mean, if you like his humor, he's sharp.

13:55 Like he will mess with people. I had never heard of him until maybe a year ago when I came across one of his short form clips online. And now I see him everywhere because that's how the Internet works. He's got a great quote on this. Right. So Obi-Wan says, in my experience, there's no such thing as luck. What you sort of made me think of was Jimmy Carr's quote, who's now massively famous. He says, everyone is jealous of what you've got. No one is jealous of how you got it. Everybody sees the podium and they go, well, it was handed to him. she just got it gift wrapped for her and they weren't there at seven o'clock in the morning you know swimming laps or putting in the extra effort or going the extra mile so yeah everybody's jealous of what you got no one's jealous of how you got it so obi-wan staying with the idea of luck is that most overnight success stories are built on years of behind the scenes work when I was in radio I would ask this question live because I really, or I would say this statement, sorry, not a question, say this statement live because I loved the honest reaction of musicians who I knew damn well were not overnight successes.

15:00 But when someone's single breaks, next thing you know, everybody knows who they are and they're new. And their lucky break. And their lucky break. and so I love famously there was this band called sick puppies they had a couple of really great songs I loved a lot of their music and I had them in studio so like I had eye contact and shimon moore super charismatic lead singer um and I I said something along the lines of like shim like guys are just an overnight success like one day you're just hanging out and the next day you're success and he looks and he's about to he's giving me that reaction like he wants to be like no you don't understand it's not and I and he sees the look on my face which is like I want you to tell everybody what you're feeling now.

15:42 Of course it wasn't an overnight success. And of course it wasn't luck. There was opportunity, but you were prepared for it because of this ten thousand things that you did before that to put yourself in that position. Absolutely. This next one, we're going to go back to the OG. We're going to go back to Yoda. Yoda warns a young Anakin in the Phantom Menace that fear breeds bad decisions. It doesn't just need to mean about battle or laser blasters or lightsabers or starships. Here's the quote. Fear is the path to the dark side. I don't know. If there was one line about good versus evil in all of the Star Wars canon...

16:24 fear is the path to the dark side and it doesn't need to be mean the fear of death or destruction it could be scared to make a decision right like we are scared a lot in our lives doesn't mean like petrified to death but I feel like fear is the path to the dark side was if you If you don't shine a light on it, that's when it's the dark side. If you're fearing it, that's when it sort of grows, right? So fear is the path to the dark side, Yoda. I love the fact that you've never seen ninety nine percent of these quotes. So when I spring this on you, what comes to mind? Fear is the path to the dark side.

17:05 fear avoidance behavior with movement in physical therapy, because all the patients that come into the emergency department who are in like really acute pain, they're really afraid to move. And I think one of the best things we can do as physical therapists is ameliorate that fear upfront so that they don't go down to that path of avoiding movement and staying in bed and like all of those things. So I think in this case, you could directly apply that to PT and say, you know, fear of movement, fear of doing the things you need to do is probably a path to delayed recovery. So actually I think that's great. I think that's helpful for a lot of different things. And one of, I know I'm applying this to my kids a lot, but that's what I'm thinking about.

17:45 When I talk to them about they're like, I'm really scared to do this. I'm really anxious about it. I always tell them like anxiety and fear really are and excitement have like the same physiologic response in the body and the brain really decides what what it means. It decides if you're happy about it or if you're not. So if you can kind of reframe that again and go back to that mindset piece, I think that's helpful. But I love that. I think that's directly applicable to PT. Yeah, in twenty twenty five, fear of change, fear of failure, fear of uncertainty. All those things are going to be barriers to growth or progression. Like those fears are going to make you stop.

18:25 And I've said before, I do this a lot when I'm either working with an organization or something. I'll use the phrase like I understand that you feel like not making a decision now is safer. But if you're crossing a road and then all of a sudden headlights come upon you and you're like, do I go forward or back? And you're like, let's just stand still. Indecision is a decision. You've decided not to act out of, and if it's out of fear and, and fear also can be masked a few different ways with patients or in business or like anything, sales consulting, I need more time to think. So you want time, but my question is like, why? Like what other information do you need to make this decision before you act?

19:09 Well, I'm afraid of making any decision. Well, you are making a decision. I'm gonna reframe that. You have decided not to act now, right? I will also add this because this is practical advice from my dad who was a fireman um he asked me this question once he loved to ask me these questions we were on long drives and like and when you're ten you're like I don't know how to answer this dad and now looking back I'm like these were good questions his question was what's the worst thing to do in a panic situation how would you answer that what's the worst thing to do in a panic situation I don't know I guess nothing maybe his answer was or he said panic yeah we're in a panic situation so this is coming from a guy who walked into burning buildings like he was he had a rational fear of death and dying and fire and smoke and you know buildings collapsing and he said the worst thing to do in this panic situation is panic the second worst thing was nothing got it because I'm afraid I'll just I'll just stand here and wait for something to happen panic didn't seem like an option Right, because panicking is just wildly doing something just to do something.

20:11 That's bad. The opposite is nothing. The answer is somewhere in the middle. And we know that, always and never. It's just stay away from this thing. That's another quote. I have to see if I don't have this. Beware of the absolutes. This isn't on the list, but this is one of the things. The Sith, who are like the evil Jedi with lightsabers, just to give you an update, they deal in absolutes. And people who follow the Force never deal in absolutes. So when you look at things on test questions, like the NPTE, if it's an always or a never, I'm not going to say it's always not that answer because that's an absolute, but I will say, look really closely at that because, because the Sith live in absolutes.

20:55 Well, and physical therapists don't because it depends. Ah, look at that. Are we the ultimate healthcare provider? Do other, do other healthcare providers, do they, it depends as much as we do, or is that our thing? I think it's our thing. Like I, I don't know. I don't feel like I've ever heard a physician say to me, it depends. So they deal in absolutes. I'm not saying anything. I'm just laying out what happens in Star Wars. I didn't say anything. All right. Let's go to quote number five. Quote number five from Star Wars. Here's the context. Obi-Wan tells this quote to Luke. the return of a jedi truth depends on perspective is the context and here's the here's the quote many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view and that is from obi-wan I think the real world application as rebecca absorbs this for the very first time in her life and probably the five hundredth for me um great leaders embrace nuance and others per other people's perspectives so how can you apply this you know a long time ago in a galaxy far far away quote I would say pause and ask what's their lens empathy leads to better decisions is what obi-wan was getting at and that's sort of what you see When Obi-Wan, sorry, when Luke is, sorry, Anakin is being trained, he leads towards the dark side because he starts to go in more absolutes and

22:25 more this is the way it should be because I think so. So many truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. You have this look on your face that you are like deeply thinking about this. I was just like wholly pulled immediately towards United States politics. I mean... I don't even know where else to go with that that's just exactly yeah yeah I like how you just leave that there silence yeah I mean you can take from that what you want but I feel like that's a lot of where we are right now yeah And it's a scary place to be, right? Which is if we're not listening to anybody else's lens and we're just going on our own, that feels, again, going back to that quote, only a Sith deals in absolutes.

23:10 It signifies your descent into the dark side. Like you're just making people want to follow you. So practical advice for many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. The best innovation teams thrive. on diverse point of viewpoints. They are the best. They work really well. Like this is not a shock and this is not a feeling. This has been proven. Truth is rarely absolute. Yeah. Right. Understand others to lead better as we get the lesson from Obi-Wan. All right. Quote six. This will be the last quote, but I have a bonus quote. So we're just gonna go with seven. I don't know why I said this was, so this will be number seven.

23:52 This is from Rogue One. And that's, so that's not like part, it's in the Star Wars universe, but it's not part of like the official, it's like a side journey, but an important one because it's referenced as a really pivotal moment. And the quote is, rebellions are built on hope. This is from Rogue One. Jyn Erso's rallying cry is about belief when the odds look bad. Real life applications for this. Hope's fuel. And when you don't have any, it's real hard to go anywhere and get anything done. And when things get tough, your mindset, I'm not even going to say matters most. It might be all you have. Like sometimes the only thing you have is your mindset. And that's really easy to say when you don't have anything, but it is important to remember.

24:34 So rebellions are built on hope. I love that. And I feel like that's kind of where I'm trying to be at with physical therapy, right? Like I have so much hope for the direction that our profession could go. I just think we need to make changes. And I had another PT reach out to me this last week and she said, I heard you talking about how you manipulate in the hospital, you do manual therapy in the hospital, you do dry needling, you do all of these things. And I see other people doing things like postpartum care and I see PT and ED and I just feel like all I'm allowed to do is get people out of bed and into a chair and that's not how I want to practice and so she said I pushed back and I said my practice is my practice and I would like to progress my practice in this facility and her managers were like nope, like that's not how we do things here.

25:27 That's not like what we do. We're not doing that. And she kept pushing back and she brought more evidence to them and things like that. And so for me, when I talk to people about top of scope practice and like progressing our ability to innovate in the future and like really transform society as physical therapists, we can't keep doing things the way we always have done. We're not going to survive from a fiscal perspective, but we're also not going to survive from like a utility perspective or a transformation perspective and so I love that I love this quote we need a pt rebellion and we're like in it to win I love it I love it I would say if managers or people in your life doesn't really matter like this stuff is really philosophical um and it applies sort of anywhere you can find places for if someone tells you this is only the way we do things only a sith deals in absolutes like do they also say this is the way we've always done it That's an absolute.

26:21 Because what they're also saying, this is what we've always done it. This is the way we will do it. That is absolute, right? I don't know if I want to work with people or work around people or have people in my personal life who deal in absolutes. Every presentation I give, I start with like a mindset conversation. So we can go back to that quote about mindset. And I say, I need you to imagine how things could be, not how things are. Because if you listen to this, this conversation from the perspective of this is the way we have to do it. And I can't do that. I'm not allowed to do that. Then we won't ever move forward. But if you can listen to me and this presentation from the perspective of why can't we do that? Why am I not doing that? And how could I do that? Then you're going to take so much more away from this. So rebellions are built on hope is my number one so far.

27:02 Yeah. All right, so this is a bonus. This will be number seven. And this comes from one of my favorite characters, which is Han Solo. Han Solo says this, and it sort of is like his rallying cry. I've seen T-shirts. I've seen bumper stickers, the whole thing. So Han says in The Empire Strikes Back, mid-crisis, while he's ready-fire aiming, this is maybe why I gravitate towards Han Solo. He's very much ready-fire aim. His quote is, never tell me the odds. So the real-life application is, like, don't get paralyzed by analysis. Paralysis by analysis. Just don't get caught. Bold action creates momentum. Like, Han is typically in situations where, like, inaction will literally cause his or others' death.

27:48 And he... I think people mistake Han Solo for being reckless because he analyzes and reacts quickly, where some people are more methodical. But make no mistake about it. Bold action is required. Again, go back to that question from my dad. What's the worst thing to do in a panic situation? Panic. Han might look like he's panicking because he's thinking quickly and looking around. The second worst thing to do in a panic situation is nothing. Nothing. So never tell me the odds. It's also it fits Han Solo. His other great quote. Again, I'm going to say spoiler alert to you because if you haven't seen Star Wars by now, it's past the statute of limitations. But he's like chasing after Leia for like a long time.

28:28 And she finally says, I love you. And his response is, I know. Legend status right there being like, I know. But anyway, never tell me the odds. What do you think about this one? I like that too, because that goes back to like, this is the way we've always done it. And this is the only way we can do it. And here's the eight hundred reasons that catalog cataloged as to why I'm not going to do or do not. I'm not even going to try because these are the odds. And so I think that that quote kind of goes full circle. I'm not even going to try because the odds are stacked against me. That shows your mindset is really not in a great place. It's definitely like, if you know all the odds and it's an absolute and there's no hope, why would you even bother?

29:10 So then we go back to our hope quote, we're ready to, we're ready to rock and roll. So I love this. And I think that's too, how I practice, right? Like what are the odds of having physical therapists in the emergency department? Not great. What are the odds that we could, I don't know, probably not great, but I'm going to keep trying. I'm going to do it. So I love this. This is kind of fun. Yeah, take the leap, trust your gut. Listen, Han calculated risk, but he didn't worship it and he didn't live by it. He didn't say, well, the odds say we can't do it. He's like, we don't have another choice. So we're gonna make the best decision moving forward and we're gonna take some bold action. The Wright brothers didn't wait for guaranteed success. They couldn't, there was no guarantee, especially if you're on the edge of something, if you're on the bleeding edge, if you're creating something.

29:52 This is why artists are often looked at as crazy people, right? There was that great ad, from apple like this is this this is for the crazy ones the risk takers the people who leave like history never mentions the people who played it safe like it just doesn't history writes the stories about people who broke the rules and broke the mold again it They were breaking the mold because they were in a situation where breaking the mold was the best option. Maybe not the only option. They could have played it safe, but it was a great option. So sometimes ignoring the odds is exactly what gets you through. I was told by someone who was in leadership that I should not start a podcast while I was a PT student. It would distract me. The odds were I was not going to succeed.

30:34 I... redefine my odds. My success were have fun and learn something with every episode. Haven't missed yet. And we're, I don't know. I stopped counting because I'm not good at math. Fifteen hundred plus episodes in. I determined success. So my odds were actually super high from that person's point of view. Her lens was you're going to be famous or make lots of money. And I'm like that. Those aren't my that's not my definition of success. It was have fun, learn stuff. Well, and I think we can't all be Han solos, right? Like, I think we need people that balance us out because we need people that don't just leap. We need the people that are like, get the vision and the plan. Like you said, you need some people to do the podcast, help you get that podcast all the way out there.

31:16 You might be the voice, but you need somebody behind you. So we can't all be Han Solos, but I think we need Han Solos. I just had a great idea for maybe our next talk, right? So we've just been talking about a book, right? Last episode, which was Six Types of Working Genius. And it listed, just as a review, it listed the six types of tasks or things that we do. There's only six according to this paradigm, this lens, right? Pay attention to other people's lenses. And it says that out of those six types of work, we are energized by two, we have energy drained from us by two, and then two are sort of mayonnaise in the middle. Like, yeah, they're fine, but they're not great, but they're not awful. So here's an idea, a pitch for our next episode, the next time we get together.

31:59 I will lay out to you the caricatures, because you haven't watched Star Wars. This is great. You have a zero fresh lens. You have no preconceived ideas. I will lay out to you the team in Star Wars, and then I'll have AI sort of like tell us who those people are in terms of the lens of the six types of working genius. Because right, if we had a team full of Han solos, That ain't going to work. Like you do need R two D two and you need a C three PO and you need these people. And that's why, I mean, again, I'm a date myself, but like the a team, which was the great eighties sitcom had these four dudes who had varied skills and you look at oceans, like we could go on and on about how these people, how their skills compliment each other.

32:46 But if you had, you know, four BA Baracuses played by Mr. T in, you know, in the A team, that's a different, that's a different, that's a different test, a different outcome. Yeah. All right. Parting shots for this episode. What do you got? Gosh, I guess I've got that. Star Wars might be okay yeah maybe I don't know I still feel like there's a lot there's a lot in here to unpack yeah but that maybe I'm just unpacking it all in a way that suits my current philosophy yeah we all sort of do that right we look through our own lens that's why I like one of the quotes which is essentially like make sure you look through other people's lenses so I think rebellion is a form of hope or rebellion, whatever, bring it back up.

33:35 I don't know. Rebellions are built on hope is my take home. Like let's, let's have a hopeful rebellion together. Yeah. All right. I'll quote my parting shot would be of course, never tell me the odds Han Solo. Don't just watch star Wars. You can live it again. U S census lists it as an actual religion that you can claim in the United States. Would love to hear your favorite quote. If you heard one and you want to agree with one of the seven that we brought up, or if you have one from the, Hours and hours and hours worth of Star Wars stuff and fan fiction stuff. Subscribe to Rebecca's podcast, the EDDPT. Where are you going in the world next? You were just in Chicago. Where are you going next? Durham. I'm going to go to Durham at the end of the month for the House of Delegates, which is a mock House of Delegates for PT students.

34:21 All right. And throw people your website. TheEDDPT.com. All right. We'll see you guys next week. And I will say it. May the force be with you.