Why Understanding Your Strengths Can Change Your PT Career

0:03 Rebecca Griffith is back on the live stream. People know her as the EDDPT. Rebecca, how are you? I'm good. How about you? Doing great. Good weekend. Anything fun, exciting? You're in a fun, bright place. You're in a sunny place. Yeah, Colorado was beautiful this weekend. I have no complaints about that. We spent the weekend in track meet. That's fun. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. We're going to go back in the Wayback Machine before we dive into today's topic. Three years ago today, we were talking about books. Do you remember? This was three years ago? I have no idea how that happened. I don't either. So I'm showing a screenshot of a Facebook, one of those memories where it's like, hey, three years ago.

0:47 And we were talking about Vivek Murthy's book together, The Healing Power of Human Connection. He was the former. Nineteenth Surgeon General of the US. He was talking about how like loneliness is an epidemic. So we talked about that three years ago, apparently. lot and that was like you know twenty twenty two when we were like doing book club maybe we'll bring well this is sort of better than book club not that I don't like twenty people talking about a book but like it's hard to talk when there's eight or ten or twelve people in a room especially like me I want to talk yeah and I actually kind of like talking about a lot of different books instead of just talking about one book because everybody brings like a different perspective and then like you mentioned a book last week I read it this week and it was great All right, so let's dive into it.

1:30 So last week I sort of, we had to go kind of quick, but I went through this six types of working genius book and I'd heard of it before. Um, and, but I listened to it, which was the first time I think I ever finished an entire audio book. I don't, I listened to a lot of podcasts, but not a lot of books. Um, and then you were like, Hey, that's interesting. And then people like normal people, I think like more people, not like, like you're abnormal, but you are abnormal in that you'll like buy the book and finish the book in less than a week. That's a little abnormal. Well, I listened to it like you did since you were listening to it, but I listen to audio books on two point five speed. So I think that's part of it. I don't know why, but that just gives me heart palpitations.

2:12 I can listen to something on, like I listen to like work stuff, like work lessons. I'm like one point two five. And I think I'm edgy there. One point five is too much for me. No, two point five feels just about right. Like if I slow it down, it feels like they're talking so slowly. I don't know. I don't know. My brain just prefers that. All right, so let's dive into six types of working genius. Well, you asked ChatGPT how we should format this. So you tell me, how are we gonna format this? Well, I asked ChatGPT about strength binders and how we could use that based on our six areas of working genius. Because we talked about that last week and I felt like we were pretty solid with the six types of working genius. But I wanted to mention I had a conversation with my husband about that.

2:54 So you and I were trying to guess each other's strengths. And I was like, hey, husband, here's the basic premise. What would you choose my two strengths are? And he chose totally different things. And I think that's because who I am for my family and who I am professionally maybe are different. And maybe some people have like the same strengths throughout their life or is it just that I'm in those roles at home like those are just my roles and are those my yellow roles I don't know but so I've been thinking about that a little bit this week have you thought about that whether you personally feel like you're different you mentioned it I've thought about it I also I have I don't even know the technical term I have a very chameleony personality but I think a lot of people do which is like listen when I'm around my bros I'm a different guy in that group.

3:41 You throw another person in that group and everybody's sort of like doing the math where they're like, who do I need to be more of? Who do I need to be less of? I don't know. Maybe that's just me. I'll stop talking in generalities and I'll just talk about me. But I'm different when I'm around my family versus, well, even like different parts of the family. If I'm in a group of cousins or if, you know, you throw an aunt and uncle in the mix, it changes. So I think that's kind of universal. I think we're different people at different times. Well, also it's the space that needs to be filled, right? And so I think my strengths at home are the supportive one and the one that finishes things. And that is because nobody else in the house really has those gifts. So even if they're the things that kind of drain me of energy, they're still the things that I am the most skilled at and can deliver for my family.

4:26 And it's a gift to be able to do that. But it was really interesting to think about that. Like, why am I in these roles? Could I be doing something differently at home that would play more to my strengths too? Yeah. I've got two really good friends from high school. Can hang out with them together, but definitely can hang out with them separately, right? And Brian is a middle school social studies teacher. Brian's the down the middle. You know, I don't think I would offend him. He's a play it safe guy. Like he's always done the right thing. When I'm with Brian, I can be sort of edgy. Cause Brian's never going to let me go too far. Brian's been a dad even before he had kids. Like I was his first kid probably. Right. But I hang out with my buddy Paco and Paco's a little more risk averse, sorry, risk risk takers, not risk averse, risk taker.

5:13 So with Paco, I can like go with him, but I probably am a little more like, Hey man, maybe this is as far as we should go. Like this feels like, cause I'm like, there's no Brian to anchor us. So I think we do, we do change based on who we're with. All right, let's relate this to StrengthsFinders. How do you wanna do that? Well, so I was thinking about that and I think that the six areas of working genius are just sort of a way to consolidate the strength finders. Yeah, yeah. It's a parallel. Can we review it real quick? Yeah. So six types of working genius says there are six types of activities, right? So that's where I think strength finders is talking about your DNA. I think six types of working genius is talking about the types of activities that need to be done in work, at home, just in things.

6:00 And since there are six, they tested so many people and they figured out that everybody is sort of a genius at two of them. Yeah. meaning you get energy from them, could do them all day long. They call them geniuses, right? And then that's like green, yellow, red, green, yellow, red, right? So green would be geniuses, yellow would be competencies. You can do it neither here nor there, it's a little like mayonnaise. And then there are frustrations. These are the things if you had to do them for a prolonged period of time, you would hate life and be like this job or this activity, I'm out. Whereas StrengthsFinders is like talking about drivers or how you, I don't know, how would you sort of frame it?

6:41 It's like an internal part of your DNA. Yeah. Yeah. So they talk about like how it sets you apart from other people. They call it your talent DNA. Talent DNA. All right. So how do you want to dive into this? Because this is, I feel like a little more complicated, which I'm never for, but I did like taking StrengthsFinders a few years ago. Well, there's thirty four of them. And I feel like that's kind of excessive. It's sort of ranking where you are in these thirty four characteristics. And I think every physical therapist probably has some combination of these. What I'm curious about is what you think would make the top strengths for a PT, because I'm going to guess that yours and mine are also different.

7:21 Well, they're definitely different just because there's too many. I don't know. I don't know if I know StrengthsFinders well enough. And again, I took it because Megan Moran, who's a PT faculty at Marymount where I went to school, they used this as a way – they gave it to a bunch of incoming PT students. But the way she presented it at CSM, I believe – She was like, most of the time when you take StrengthsFinders, the results don't shock you. They're not shocking. They're cool to find out about yourself, but they're not like, oh my God, I had no idea. Where she said there was value is because it's a problem-based learning school in small, everything was, most of the things were done in groups. It was unique to be like, oh, how do I interact with someone who's good at that or maybe bad at that?

8:05 And how do we fit together? Because most of the things we're going to do in life is with a partner, with a group. Yeah, and it's got different themes, right? Like executing, influencing, relationship building, and strategic thinking. And I think those themes are key for physical therapists. And then it's like little characteristics within that. But I like that it gives you like your top five. Right. So what would be the top five for a perfect PT if we were to grow a PT in a lab? I think that's a great question. question so one of them this is gonna this might be you'll appreciate this because this is one of yours is woo I think top five say it one more time I think woo should be in the top five of a perfect pt yeah okay because you have to like get some buy-in from your patient you have to have them trust you have to build a relationship like it's like like your first visit with patients a little bit like first date you want to make sure that there's some chemistry there there's a match there there's like some buy-in So I think Wu would be one.

9:08 Um, I agree. Um, Wu was my, and they, or they order these Wu is my number three and Wu falls into the pay on the, the, their, the strength finders pillar of influencing. It does, which is themes help you take charge, speak up and make sure others are heard. It's uh, my number. You're not a Wu person. No, apparently not. I'm an activator. That's my influencer. So the problem with Woo that I've found is, me figuring out someone doesn't like me, even if they do, if I don't think they like me, I then have to chase this down. And I'm just jokingly, not jokingly explaining this to people, which is like, I've been in some relationships where I'm like, I spent ninety percent of that relationship just trying to get that person to like me.

9:56 And the person did like me, but I wasn't sure of it. So it's not necessarily, it's a strength, but it could also be a weakness. You got to finish the let them book then Jimmy. I know I'm on it. I'm on it. Cause we're working on that one. All right. So what else, what else would go into a perfect physical therapist? Probably communication. Yeah. You're going to have to be able to take what you know and communicate it. Cause it doesn't do anything in your head. Analytical. Because you've got to be able to figure out, I mean, a lot of it is evaluation and diagnosis. Okay. Yeah. Um, maybe. And individualization is you're intrigued by the unique qualities of each person.

10:43 So you're very interested patient to patient in what is going on as an individual. I have that one. That's in my top five. Is that in your top five? No. Okay. I'm a very good PT now, Jimmy. That's not how this works. We all have our skills. We need our familiar skills in unfamiliar places, and that's our superpower. And then maybe empathy. Oh, okay. Absolutely. I mean, empathy will put you in the shoes or attempt to be able to understand what another person is feeling. I do not have empathy in my top five. It's not my top five either. All right, let's skip through this. Hold on. Now let's go five to one. What are in your top five?

11:24 And we'll give a brief breakdown of what those things are. Strategic is number one. Okay. And strategic falls under which... strategic thinking oh obviously okay good jimmy didn't pay attention that's a good pt characteristic it's a thing that helps you absorb and analyze information that helps make better decisions okay what's your number four my number or sorry number strategic was my number one oh okay and it says you create alternative ways to proceed faced with any given scenario you can quickly spot the relevant patterns and issues I think that's perfect for an edpt So I'm going to take that. Okay. Number two is activator. You can make things happen by turning thoughts into actions. You want to do things now rather than simply talk about them.

12:07 Good. Cause talking about it's nice, but if we're not moving and not doing an activating on it, it's not, it's not kind of not worth it. Right. Input. You have a need to collect an archive. You may accumulate information, ideas, artifacts, or even relationships. So I'm a collector. Okay. of information I think that's why I read so much and I do feel like this is going to sound bad but I kind of feel like I collect people to a certain extent and build relationships in that way um and cultivate my network a little bit okay what's next this is not going to surprise you futuristic you're inspired by the future and what could be you energize others with your visions of the future So that's when I'm talking about top of scope, right?

12:52 Like who we could be as a profession. Like that's definitely, I feel like a match for my top five. And then number five, achiever. You work hard and possess a great deal of stamina. You take immense satisfaction in being busy and productive. All right. So when you looked at these things, first, were they accurate? Were there any surprises on there? No, no. I think when you look at the full list, you're like, well, is that who I want to be? I mean, that's clearly who I am, but is that like, is that what I had hoped would be out on the list? I don't know. Well, supposedly I asked this too. I had Pam, Pam Bartlow. She's a professor at a school in Buffalo. I think she's a PT professor and she is like a certified strength finders coach. Like she's able to like now come in and, you know, work with a team or an organization about what do you do with this sort of thing?

13:38 And I said, well, can these change, you know, like over time? And she's like, generally, no. She said, I think she said it happened once, but it was when that person went through a monumental life change and that person had had a child. It was a male and they had a baby. And he's like, now things have shifted. But it's also, it's a subjective, you know, test. You're answering these questions and then it's sort of analyzing you. Well, my number thirty-four, my worst one is consistency. Okay. Yeah. you know, see, I didn't pay for everything. I just know my top five. Cause I was like, give me the, give me the highlights and I'll move on. Well, I'm the girl that likes horoscopes. So you can give me something like this.

14:19 This is like a cosmopolitan personality quiz. And I used to do those when I was a teenager in the nineties. So, you know, I'm going to go all in on this. All right. So now that you know, your top five, has it changed how you approach things? Has it changed how you treat yourself? Has it changed how you anything? Well, what I like about it is it gives you like bigger things about why each of those strengths is a good thing and how to leverage them. So I think that's actually the most helpful part. Like to tell you like, this is your skill. Like, why are you trying to do things this way when you can use your talents to do this? And so I think that was really the more helpful piece of it.

15:01 And it also tells you about blind spots. Okay, look, tell me about that. So this says watch out for blind spots. So this is under strategic. When working with others, sometimes they may misinterpret your strong strategic challenge or talents as criticism. Be mindful of what is already working well and what others have accomplished. Because you evaluate patterns and pathways quickly, others may find it difficult to follow or understand your thought process. Be aware that you might have to backtrack to explain how you get where you are. This is in my opinion is actually where the value of these tests come in. Because, again, I think it's like a horoscope. It's the Cosmo, you know, which friend's character are you?

15:43 It's cute. It's nice. It's a good self-reflection. Where I think the power comes in is how do I relate to others? Was your PT program problem-based learning? I don't know. did you do a lot of small groups like a tutorial? Okay. So probably it was at least some problem-based learning. I went to a, we had an individual interview and a group interview for Marymount university where I eventually wound up going. And the minute they put us in a group interview and they gave us a scenario and there was a proctor there who was an alum, right? Probably the second they did that, I was like, I understand what the game is. The game is not the scenario. The game is how do you treat the other people in the scenario?

16:25 Right? So once I figured that out, I was able to, For lack of a better term game the system, but I was, you know, that the game was figuring out the game and we did that quickly. And I think that was good because doing the thing that you're going to spend a lot of time doing in the interview when you're in PT school is probably a good idea, but People who don't have the ability to do those things, it's not easy. So understanding this, okay, this person's a little shy, but I want to look good. I'm wooing. I'm trying to win over everybody, including the proctor. I'm going to pass the ball to this person across the table for me, and then I'm going to bring back this, and I'm going to take the person who's overly trying to win the game, which is not me, And I'm going to acknowledge them, but try to get them to tamp it down without telling them to shut up.

17:11 So it is, you know, and we do this, I think we do this innately in life. We try to figure out where we are and what's needed, as we mentioned in the beginning of this conversation. Yeah, and there's just so many pieces in here that are helpful too if you like apply it to patient care. Like one of these things in here for the activator, it says it's very likely you excel as a solo performer. You're quite eager to start new projects, jobs, and assignments. People who cause delays undoubtedly frustrate you and they don't understand your need to make progress. So I like seeing patients one time. Oh, so in the ED is right down your middle. Right. Because like it's just by nature, you motivate people.

17:53 So if I can motivate those patients and then send them on to the next step, then I'm not going to get frustrated if they're not doing their plan, if they're not, if they're progressing on their timeline and not my timeline, like urgency is my timeline. Like let's, let's look at you, let's get you going and let's like move on to the next thing. Yeah. The novelty of what I do fits so well with what's here also. And like my need to look at like QI stuff wherever I am, I think it's part of this as well. Quality improvement, like really, how could we be doing this better? Can we do this differently? And like, I can't be in the same place over and over again.

18:33 Yeah. Maybe I should have been in the ED. I would have stuck around clinical care longer. Yeah, and sometimes you might charge ahead and act without a solid plan. Sometimes that's a good idea though. Inaction, indecision is a decision. You have decided not to act. And I know it feels safe. I use this all the time. Where I know I'm more of a ready, fire, aim kind of person. And that can get me in trouble. It can also help me win though. But if you were a patient... Like which strength would you want your PT to have be number one? Oh, see, I don't know all of them.

19:14 I guess. I don't know. Cause I don't really need somebody who has a ton of empathy. I need somebody who's going to drive me into the ground. Yeah. I mean, you want the empathy cause you want them to be able to take what they're seeing and say, okay, I understand what's going on here, but, but then yes, I, so yeah, I'm sort of like people who lay out a plan for me. I'm like, I didn't follow it. Give me, I mean, yeah, I was an athlete. Like I love playing for coaches. I was like, if you give me a plan, tell me like the three things I need to do. Don't give me thirty three things. Give me three that I need to do every single shift or every single inning or every single race. Like and I will do those three things. So I like people who can break things down, I guess.

19:54 Yeah. What would that be? Because I don't know all the other strengths on the. Let's see. I would think. Maybe maybe the analytical person or the arranger. What's the arranger again? I don't know if I have that one like all spelled out on my list here. Well, it sounds like someone who arranges things and I'm just that's just me being analytical. Yeah. All right, do you wanna hear my top five to see if there's any surprises? I do. Okay, my top five are Gallup Strength Finders. I'll go from five to one. My number five falls in that relationship building pillar, which is themes that help you build strong relationships that hold a team together.

20:41 So my number five is individualization. I'm intrigued by the unique qualities of each person, but I'm impatient with generalizations or types because I don't want to obscure what's special and distinct about each person. So this is where I got yelled at as a PT student with my clinical instructors. Cause they're like, why are you spending so much time talking to these people? And I'm like, aren't you just curious about them? And they're like, move it along chief. And I'm like, this is nails on a chalkboard to me. I didn't want to move it along. I got that in my fellowship too, just now. Did you really? Yeah. Yeah. Like you're doing a great job connecting with the patients, but you gotta, you gotta move it. And I'm like, do I do you though?

21:23 That's my question. Or like, what if we didn't get to the thing? I'll give you an example of where doing that helped my last clinical rotation. I had a good CI who was sort of like, do your thing, man. You're going to graduate in like three months. Like, you know, you're as close to on your own as you're going to get. She saw someone come up on my calendar on my schedule and was like, Oh, little background on her. frequent flyer. She comes in every six, eight months. I've never been able to help. Maybe you can. Different approach. Okay. Balance issues. That's super vague. I don't know what that means. That could be a billion things. So I'm like, we were attached to a gym. So I was like, let's go walk. I want to see you walk. So I wanted to walk outside. It was like a strip mall sort of vibe.

22:03 So I was like, treadmill. Let's do a treadmill. So we're watching a walk on a treadmill. But now you're standing there awkwardly. So what do you do when someone's walking on a treadmill? You're standing there. You talk to them. I'm like, this is great. Now the focus isn't talking. Now the focus is walking. And this is the thing that's distracting you. Well, ten minutes in, think I asked like what do you think is the balance issues because she described the balance issues and they were still vague there was nothing there and she's like I and she's she's like I don't really know and a minute later I let there be some pause I do shut up every once in a while let there be some silence and she said I drink about a six pack a day do you think that would have an effect on my balance And, uh, and I was smart enough to say, hang on a second.

22:46 We have got a thread. Let's pull this, but don't yank it. Let's just let it go. And I said, what do you, what do you think? Do you think that might affect your balance? And she's like, I think it probably does. And I'm like, And now we're onto something. And then I found out her daughter just had a baby. So now she has a grandchild, but the daughter doesn't want her around the grandchild if she's gonna be intoxicated frequently. So now we have a problem that she understands and we have a motivation. Getting better is super vague. holding the baby is tangible. And I was like, everything in my brain was like, whoop, whoop, whoop. This is great. I can't, I can't believe this.

23:27 You wouldn't have gotten that in three minutes of a subjective. I'm sorry. You wouldn't, you wouldn't. I had a patient who was eighty something and I said, why do you think you keep falling? She's like, it's probably the seven shots of tequila I have while I'm watching my shows. I was like, cool, let's watch the shows in bed and we'll get you a bedside commode. She's like, great. That sounds perfect. She's eighty five. She's not going to change what she's doing. She makes her happy. But when I was on my fellowship rotation, I was in a completely different state even. And I went and I was working with this patient who had been coming in over and over again. And he just said, I want to tell you about something that happened to me at work. And this guy's been not able to get back to work for a really long time.

24:12 And he was in a really like first responder kind of profession. And he told me the most traumatic thing he's ever experienced in patient care. And I can see why he doesn't want to go back to work. Like his is not progressing. Like his medical condition is not progressing. And I said, do you feel like you want to go back to that? And he's like, I can still feel this person's head in my hands. And I won't share like how graphic and awful it really was because was, I'm now holding part of that for him. Um, but he gave me a hug at the end and he was like, I need to talk to somebody.

24:56 They said, you do. And I think that needs to be part of your recovery process here. And he's like, I don't know why you were the one that I needed to tell this, but you are the one that I felt like could hold it for me. And I was like, yeah, I'll help you hold, hold this person's head for you. Like I'll hold it with you. And I think if you are like constantly moving it along so that we can get you onto the leg press. You're missing a lot. right because is he gonna progress to the point where he can truly get back to work now there are some people it's just it's there's some people it's just a hip issue man yeah like I'm not just counting that but that person has a lot going on in their life but this isn't a thread to everything so I don't want someone out there saying like well jimmy needs to talk to people for sixty five minutes to figure out no But it's hard.

25:46 How do you? Yeah. Yeah. You got to read the room. Maybe that's an analytical thing. Maybe that's probably one of those things. All right. So that's my number five. That's individualization. Number four. This is what I thought would be my number one because I have a degree in it, which is communication. So communication falls under the pillar of influencing. Themes that help you take charge, speak up and make sure others are heard. Communication, you like to explain, shock. To describe, shocking. To host, shock. To speak in public and to write. To speak in public, to write a little bit, right? This is your communication theme at work. Ideas are a dry beginning. Events are static. You feel you need to bring them to life, to energize them, to make them exciting and vivid.

26:27 This was not a shock to me. I can't believe it's number four though. It's number four. That was the biggest shock because I was like, wow. And as soon as I got to that one, I was like, then what the hell are three, two, one? Yeah, it's number seven for me. So it's in my top ten, but I'm surprised it's four for you. Number four. Number three also falls in that same pillar of influencing is woo. And I never realized that woo is an acronym and it stands for winning others over. What? That's what it says here. I was like, that's what woo means? Um, you enjoy the challenge of meeting new people and getting them to like you challenge. Strangers are rarely intimidating on the contrary.

27:09 Strangers can be energizing. You're drawn to them. You want to, uh, learn their names, asking questions and find some area of common interest. So you can strike up a conversation and build rapport. Not a shock. No. So that's number three. Now, this is the biggest shock though now, is my number two and my number one both fall in strategic thinking pillar. Those are themes that help you absorb, analyze information that inform better decisions. I would not think I am a strategic analyzer type person. I don't know. To me, like analyzing sounds too spreadsheety. And I'm like, I don't do that. I grip and rip.

27:50 But my number two and my number one are both in strategic thinking. Two is ideation. And then once you say it, you're like, well, that makes sense. So ideation, you're fascinated by ideas. What's an idea? It's a concept, the best explanation of the most... An idea is a concept, the best explanation of the most events. I don't know. That's a weird sentence. That's not properly written. You are delighted when you discover... beneath the complex service, an elegantly simple concept to explain why things are the way they are. An idea is a connection. This is why I love dry erase boards. This is why when someone says, this is the first time this has ever happened, I'm like, ooh, why didn't it happen before? How's it happening now? What's changed? And this is why I get sidetracked on things a lot.

28:32 So I have to know this and be like, you might have to dial it back if I need to execute on something. So my number two is ideation. That doesn't surprise me at all. Right. Number one is also in strategic thinking. And I was shocked just from the word, the name of this thing. I was like, that's me. And then I tell this to people who know me and they're like, yeah, that's you. And I'm like, oh, OK. So sometimes it's not so obvious to ourself. My number one is futuristic thinking. futuristic is described as in quotes wouldn't it be great if dot dot dot you're the kind of person who loves to peer over the horizon the future fascinates you that's absolutely true if it were projected uh the future fascinates you fascinates you as if it were projected on the wall you see in detail what the future might hold and this detailed picture keeps pulling you forward into tomorrow I love adding two things that don't make sense radio dj physical therapist doesn't make any sense This was not on purpose.

29:26 This was by accident. But yes, I love those things. This is why I like the podcast has now shifted into more discussions on books or something, which is let's bring a new idea in and let's play with it. Let's bat it around like a kitten with a ball of yarn or let's do live streams with Tony and Dave. Let's take this thing. I kind of understand like as much as anybody can't business communications, marketing technology. How do these things all play well in an ever evolving sandbox? So this is my number one. And what do you do for work right now? I work for a health tech innovation, artificial intelligence organization that, but here's the thing. You would think that a futuristic person, I would need to be the person like coding, but there's not, there's not a chance in hell I'm ever going to be able to learn how to build any of these AI things.

30:12 But that goes back to your areas of genius, right? Like you're not the builder, you're the thinker. Correct. So I'm but I bet you there are some coders who are thinking because without a great idea. Right. Or this is where partners come in hand like Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs. Like Jobs was definitely a wonder. And I don't know what his might. This would that would be a fun exercise. Take famous people and make chat GPT. Tell us what their six types of working genius are to explain it. Definitely be a wonder. But Steve Jobs is not a galvanizer. Well, I don't know. Maybe he was because he was all about giving the TED talky type things. I don't know. It'd be fun. It'd be fun to like figure the reverse engineer what those things were and why they were successful.

30:55 There I go using some of my strengths finders again. Ooh, I wonder why or how did he do that? But in the book, the six areas of genius book, one of the things that I really appreciated was when one of the people who was the finisher, like the one, the implementer and the finisher, they were like, you have no idea how much work it actually takes to take your idea and then make it happen. And we need you to be a little bit more cognizant of what it takes to take your idea and apply real life to it and to make it into a thing. And so I think that's sometimes the thinkers are the ones that get all the credit, but really the implementers ought to get lifted up a little bit.

31:35 Totally, and then I would see your that phrase and idea and raise you another one. Steve Jobs, in his book, if you read his biography, they used to say he had a reality distortion field. Did you read his biography? No, but apparently – It was really long. It could have been three hundred pages shorter. It's still been a great story. But he had this thing where he'd say – I forget the specifics, but – An iPhone is like a metal case, right? It's just a metal box with stuff inside. And they were like, if you know anything about electronics, it's like signals don't go through metal, man. But he was like, make it happen. And they're like, we can't. And he's like, make it happen. So he walked around and he was like, I'm just going to have a distorted view of reality where if I keep pushing you, you will make it happen.

32:22 So without that, would you have the progress? So you, but here's the thing. Someone still has to do it. So you need those several different types of people or the thing doesn't get done. But yes, you're right. The wonder invention person typically gets the credit because they're on stage. I want to be that for physical therapy. Like I want to be the person that says we should be doing it at this level. We should be practicing at this level. And then I get people that say, well, we can't do that. We don't do it that way. It's not possible. Is it, can I like go to conferences now and be like, may I get happened? Yes, except there was a formal relationship with Steve and his employees. They were all on a mission to do whatever the particular mission of Apple, if you want to look it up, I'm sure it exists somewhere.

33:06 This is where I have a good problem with conferences like the Graham Sessions. And just for people who are out there who might not have heard of it. It's a super small invitee only ish sort of group of people. It's like a hundred people. I'm fudging some of the statistics, but it's small and it gets better. We're supposed to do everybody gets together. We're supposed to solve the big problems. I feel like that room has a lot of wow people. And then the problem is they're not tied to each other. So you get a bunch of people who are talking at thirty thousand feet. But there's no – number one, there may be less enablement and tenacity people in the room. The GSD people – look it up if you don't know what GSD means.

33:46 There's not a whole lot of GSD people in there, and then no one's responsible for doing any of the things that are talked about. That also drives people like me crazy. I was like, are we going to go now? And they're like, well, just go do it yourself. I'm like, no, man. So you – like Steve had people on his team, and their only job and the reason they were there was do this – And they talked about the friction. Michael Jordan. People thought he was just the biggest a-hole. And he was like Steve Jobs. He was like, we're going to be champions. And we're going to beat everybody. And we're going to outwork people. And they were like, can't we just phone this workout in? And he's like, no. No, we're not. This is why he has, I don't know, a lot of championship rings. Five rings or something. And cute shoes.

34:27 And cute shoes. His mom had the discernment view of looking... Did you see Air? Did you see the movie Air? No, but I need to. Very good movie. Tells the story behind the story of Michael Jordan getting his shoe deal with Nike. And Nike was not Nike. Nike was like fifth best. At best, they were the fifth... They were known as a running shoe. But they wanted basketball because it was going to be more money. It was more visible. So... this agent the guy who's supposed to run around the matt damon character was had I don't know a million dollars a year to spend on like four athletes essentially it's like buying four lottery tickets so he would look at the draft and then be like we're gonna give a quarter million to each and then he and I might be fudging the numbers obviously but then he was like I want to bet it all I'm gonna give my entire year budget to this kid michael jordan and they were like that's too much of a risk and he's like we're either gonna sink or swim dividing our lottery ticket by four, it ain't going to do it.

35:26 And then, so Mrs. Jordan, his mom was smart enough to say, I want this much money because Michael's worth it. And it was the first time she ever got a cut of anything with his name on it in the future. And he was like, this isn't possible. You can't do this. Like this will not be allowed. So he went to the, I think Ben Affleck character who was like the Bill Knight guy and Nike and was like, We got Jordan, but she's asking for too much. And to Phil Knight's credit, he's like, well, what is she asking for? He wants a cut of everything in the future. And he goes, well, if we're going to sink or swim and it's based on this, then we have to make this decision. So Michael Jordan still makes checks in twenty twenty five, even though he hasn't played in twenty years.

36:15 Yeah. Oh, we're talking about personality types. Now we're talking about movies. Well, that's okay. I'm a mom of three, so I fall asleep every time I put on a movie, but I do read a lot. But my, what my take home from that is you got to risk it to get the biscuit kind of. Yeah. She was going to get nothing. So they were going to win and win big, or they were just going to all have nothing. And I think that's a fair risk to take. I think it's, I think the story with Michael Jordan's mom does go back to what we're talking about here, is she read the room. She's like, I know what my son is. I am aware, not just he's my boy.

36:57 I am aware of where he is in the social space. I understand. And then she was like, this is worth it. She's doing the math. She's doing the scales. She was doing the seesaw. She's like, he is heavy on one side. He is valuable. You have to match that to make it balanced. I mean, there was a story about, I can't remember this kid's name. Remember the Lion King? The movie? Yeah. disney movie the kid got offered a million dollars in like or something to sing the simba part simba was the kid right yeah to sing to be the voice of simba and sing whatever the main song was in disney's the lion king and his mom look at here's the theme moms are smart his mom was like okay we'll take fifty grand and royalties And they were like, you're really going to want to take the million you're saying, you know, to a million dollars.

37:53 And now the math is math to a lot more money. Yeah. Jonathan Taylor Thomas is probably still living on that. What did Jonathan, was he the home improvement kid? Yeah, he was Simba. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this other kid sang, Jonathan Taylor Thomas didn't sing. Oh, you just crushed all my like. Yeah. Jonathan Taylor Thomas, I guess didn't sing. Well, that's disappointing and sad. Well, so I think kind of pull it together. Yes. Taking all of these pieces of information about yourself and figuring out what you want to do and where you want to go is really helpful. But I also feel like if you're going to go into a job interview, having this information is helpful.

38:37 Because how many people get asked this question? Well, what are your strengths? What are your weaknesses? Oh, I never thought of that. That's a good idea. So I feel like you could just be like, hey, like that. I'm really a strategic thinker. I'm an activator who helps get things done. I'm really good at collecting input from others. I have futuristic thinking and I'm a high achiever. So I'm going to take all of those things, put them together and help your company be successful. it gives someone a third dimension to your resume which is sort of a list of accomplishments what doesn't tell anybody anything but now you're able to use it in context because it's always the well tell me a time when you were really stressed and you really whatever and now you're able to say well I'm going to tell you a story about where invention like this is what you would say in your head I'm going to tell a story about how invention led to for xing revenue or I'm gonna tell you about how woo you know helped me get three thousand leads in six months and why that's because now you're talking in terms that the other person finds valuable we like you know if it's a sales job if it's a clinical job and putting it in an objective com um context how I use these strings those are cute as the kids would say cool story bro tell it again like why does it matter to me what so what now what give them the now what that's a good that's a good point but I'm doing more and more consulting.

39:48 And when I look at these top five strengths, strategic, activator, input, futuristic, and achiever, like to me, that sounds like the kind of consultant you'd want to hire. So being able to take those pieces of information and put them together, I think is really helpful. And then having your find spots so that when they do ask you, you know, what are your weaknesses? We can say, well, these are my strengths, but what I know to be aware of because of that are these things. And so you're not like, oh, my weakness is chocolate cake. Right. My weakness is I just care too much, Rebecca. I just, I'm a perfectionist. I just, I can't move on because I need it to be chef's kiss. Yeah. All right. You want to do parting shots? Well, I'm going to ask you a parting shot question. How about that?

40:29 Okay. I've never done this before. Okay. If your strength was a cocktail, cause it's PT podcast. What would it be? Oh, if my strength was, you know, your answer to this. No, that's why you got to go first. I'm going to ask it back to you. I was trying to buy myself some time. Let me look at my, uh, wonder communication, individual woo. Uh, it would have to be something very peacocky, right? Uh, it has to be very, something loud and crazy. Ooh. Um, man, this is a good question. Uh, a poos cafe. I don't even know what that is. Yeah, I've only made one. It was because I found it in a bartending book when I was bartending with my uncles.

41:11 And it is a drink that you have to do in layers. Someone's going to fact check me. There's like eight different liquors in it. And it's layered from the most dense to the least dense viscous. So you actually pour the liquors in the glass over the back of a spoon so it nicely – that they don't mix. So when you're done, it just looks like a bunch of – striatic lines so I would say a poos cafe okay that was not because it's all about look at me that's what it's about look at what I can do look at the end let's talk about this oh let's let's make let's stir some conversation around that so it's a drink no whatever order or drink who knows if it tastes good but it looks kind of crazy because you pour they're different colors so the green doesn't separate doesn't mix with the red and it's like what you did on your first birthday because you don't know better and it looks cool yeah no one orders this drink it's just a visual peacocky thing it's not functional it's just a conversation starter so if you're so same question to rebecca griffith I think maybe an old-fashioned oh there you go why I think it's classy and I think it opens doors because a lot of people drink it so it's a thing you can like have questions about there's still some choices that go into it so when you're like building the ingredients like you have to think about what's going to mix well And it just doesn't have like a bad hangover to it.

42:35 Oh, have you ever had a lot of them? Because I've had a hangover from old fashions. Well, no, I haven't. Because one also feels like enough. That should be true. That should be true. So I would say that. That should be true. You can find her online. She is the EDDPT, Rebecca Griffith. What are any big events you're going to coming up? I'm going to be in Chicago this weekend at the Vestibular Symposium at Aurora Advocate Health. That sounds very fancy and have a few old fashions. You can talk more about vestibular issues and balance. Exactly. Uh, well, thanks for stopping by. Thanks for doing this. What do we want to do next? Is there an assignment you want to give me? I told you I'm good with, I need someone to give me some, like a coach, give me something I should try.

43:18 I need to finish the let them book. Don't I? I think so. I'm actually having my teenager listen to let them podcasts. We're having conversations about that. All right. I will get on that. And the next time we speak, we will be talking about Mel Robbins and the let them theory. And how to place a burnout in physical therapy. We'll tackle big, we'll tackle big problems with my futuristic and ideation strengths. strategically strategically thank you for talking rebecca thanks for making my day