Top of Scope Isn’t a Job — It’s a Mindset

Emergency Department PT, Top-of-Scope Mindset & Reigniting Your CareerRecorded live at CSM, Jimmy sits down with Rebekah Griffith (https://theeddpt.com/) PT, DPT, to talk about the growth of physical therapy in the emergency department — and what it takes to bring it into your hospital.In This Episode:* What “Top of Scope” really means (mindset + skillset)* Why ED PT jobs aren’t widespread yet* How to pitch ED PT to hospital leadership (do a PT eval on the hospital)* Specialist vs generalist debate in acute care* Why conferences can reignite your professional energy* How networking creates lifelong career relationshipsRebecca shares a practical framework for introducing ED PT services:* Evaluate your hospital like a patient* Identify impairments and participation restrictions* Align PT value with what matters to leadership* Set measurable goalsThis episode is about expanding what’s possible in your career — and protecting the future of the profession.SponsorsThis episode is brought to you by:* SaRA Health* EMPOWER EMR* U.S. Physical Therapy (USPH)
Emergency Department PT, Top-of-Scope Mindset & Reigniting Your Career
Recorded live at CSM, Jimmy sits down with Rebekah Griffith, PT, DPT, to talk about the growth of physical therapy in the emergency department — and what it takes to bring it into your hospital.
In This Episode:
- What “Top of Scope” really means (mindset + skillset)
- Why ED PT jobs aren’t widespread yet
- How to pitch ED PT to hospital leadership (do a PT eval on the hospital)
- Specialist vs generalist debate in acute care
- Why conferences can reignite your professional energy
- How networking creates lifelong career relationships
Rebecca shares a practical framework for introducing ED PT services:
- Evaluate your hospital like a patient
- Identify impairments and participation restrictions
- Align PT value with what matters to leadership
- Set measurable goals
This episode is about expanding what’s possible in your career — and protecting the future of the profession.
Sponsors
This episode is brought to you by:
- SaRA Health
- EMPOWER EMR
- U.S. Physical Therapy (USPH)
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Looks great.
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Look at that.
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Beaches.
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I haven't seen that.
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I've seen the inside of the Hilton.
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It's in the conference center.
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Yeah.
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That's the thing.
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All right.
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Live from CSN,
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Rebecca Griffith is back on the show.
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We do a live stream once a week.
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We don't have a name for it yet.
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We call it books and stuff.
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We rarely talk about books.
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We talk about more stuff.
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How's your conference going?
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It's going great.
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I had some presentations yesterday and
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just really excited to be able to enjoy
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the content now.
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All right.
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Rebecca, you are the EDDPT.
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How much do you see ED content here
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outside of what you do?
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Well, actually,
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I put together some posts on my social
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media for people who are looking for ED
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content.
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So there's content on Thursday, Friday,
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and Saturday.
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There are platform presentations,
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poster presentations.
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I think tomorrow there's a full-length
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session specifically on BPPV in the
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emergency department.
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Isn't it great to see now?
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It's got to be pretty.
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It is.
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There are other people.
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It's not just you.
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Well,
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let me tell you the best part is
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yesterday when we were giving our
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presentation, I always say,
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how many of you have heard of PT
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and ED?
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And in the past,
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like only a couple of people have raised
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their hand.
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But yesterday I asked,
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how many of you practice in the emergency
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department?
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And hundreds of hands went up.
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And so that was like really exciting.
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So we actually took a photo of the
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audience because so many people were ADPTs
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in that audience.
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So that was really exciting.
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So you go into health systems as well,
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and people might say, okay, okay, okay,
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you got us, convinced us,
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and you help them sort of figure out
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how to do that.
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Yep.
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And do it well.
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So that's got to be pretty rewarding to
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see this.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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What else are you looking for outside of
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this stuff?
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Because yourself and myself included have
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said,
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if you come to a conference like this,
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make it a point to go outside of
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your comfort zones, all the zones.
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Yeah,
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one of the things I'm hoping to go
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to this afternoon is the Oxford debate in
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the acute care section about float or
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focus.
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And one of the things I talk about
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a lot is,
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is it better for us to be specialists
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as being generalists or for us to
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specialize?
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And I think that's a current conversation
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in acute care.
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Should we put therapists in one specialty
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area in acute care or should we keep
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the team and the bench versatile and keep
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them moving throughout the hospital,
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building those skill sets,
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serving every patient that comes in the
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door?
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So I'm interested in that.
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Okay.
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One of your other things,
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like if you were to have a tattoo,
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I don't know if you have tattoos,
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but if you were to have,
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but I meant like a bicep tattoo.
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If you were to have a work tattoo,
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it probably would be top of scope.
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A hundred percent.
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Good.
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I got it.
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What is top of scope?
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Rewind.
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What does top of scope is a mindset
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actually mean?
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So for me,
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top of scope really is what you bring
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to yourself as a physical therapist.
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It's your training,
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it's your clinical experience,
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it's your lived experience,
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and it's the mindset with which you
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approach patients.
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So for me,
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top of scope is mindset plus skillset.
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So we take all of that together.
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And the one-liner is,
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who did you wanna be as a physical
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therapist?
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And why are you not being that person?
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That's what top of scope is.
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So top of scope isn't a destination,
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it's the journey of your career.
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Why aren't more PTs working in emergency
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settings?
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You saw a room today, obviously,
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that people are now doing it.
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But why aren't more?
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Why don't we stop here?
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I think part of it is there's just
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not jobs available, right?
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So when you come out of PT school,
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is it something you even know about?
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Or do you just look on Indeed and
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look for a job?
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Or do you come here?
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Is there anybody recruiting for the
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emergency department?
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So I think the answer to that is
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it's not easy yet.
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And I'll know that my work is done
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when you come out of PT school and
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you're like, oh,
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I'm going to apply for that job in
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the emergency department.
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It's just not there yet.
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Yeah.
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How could someone who's at an organization
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without PTs in the emergency department,
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how do they walk into a meeting and
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not get shut down or eyes rolled at,
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or what's the right way to,
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there's probably more than one right way,
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what are the right ways to do that?
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I think the answer is to do a
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PT evaluation on your hospital and your
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emergency department.
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We're good at that.
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Yeah.
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So you're going to receive a history.
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You're going to identify the impairments
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of the emergency department,
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the functional limitations,
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the participation restrictions,
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and you're going to set short and
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long-term goals of how physical therapy is
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going to remediate that for them.
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It can't be, oh,
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it makes the patients happy.
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Oh, the providers like us.
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We can decrease x-rays.
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It doesn't matter unless it matters to
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them.
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So figuring out what matters to them and
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then showing how the value you can add
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is the way to do that.
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And we know how to do it.
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We learned in school.
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And it feels like it might be for
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the right person, a more fulfilling day.
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And you might keep that person around
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longer.
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And if you're that person,
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you might be happier in your job.
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Also,
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just that like opportunity to be with
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patients in some of those most like
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vulnerable,
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scary moments and giving them that
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reassurance and that ability to go back
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out to the world with confidence is
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something it's hard to match.
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All right.
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Besides what you're doing here and the
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things that you're seeing, trends, themes,
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what people are whispering,
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because all the real good stuff happens in
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hallways or...
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Hotel room parties or actual parties at
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the House of Blues or wherever the parties
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might be.
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What are what's the buzz?
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You know,
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the other thing that I just keep hearing
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is I'm feeling better about the
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profession.
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Okay.
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Because I talk to a lot of people
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kind of the first day and they're like,
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oh, I'm not even sure why I'm here.
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I keep telling people not to become a
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physical therapist anymore.
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I'm kind of looking to get my groove
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back.
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And so I'm hearing people say, oh,
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today was so amazing.
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I talked to so many people.
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I'm feeling inspired again.
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So I think the theme that I'm walking
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away with is seeing people reinvigorated
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and inspired.
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Yeah.
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I was talking to someone yesterday who
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didn't understand that just a couple years
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ago, there was a next conference,
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then four months,
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there was a student conclave,
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then four months, there was CSM,
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and then four months, and four months,
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and four months, and four months.
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But people can get a little hit of
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dopamine, PT love at their state level.
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Absolutely.
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In states like Colorado.
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Yep.
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And I want to just plug APTA Colorado
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Fall Conference is in Breckenridge this
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year.
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You don't have to be a Colorado member
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to come.
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So please come on out to Colorado.
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We have outstanding programming.
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We're going to have a payment form as
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well.
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And we're going to go out,
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see the leaves and all the things.
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I was going to say,
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can you ski in Colorado in March?
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It's in October.
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Oh, you said October.
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They say March.
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It's in October.
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You can if there's snow,
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but usually it's peak leaf changing
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season.
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Everybody loves leaves.
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Well,
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also the hotels up there are a little
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bit cheaper because it's not ski season.
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So you can see the beauty of the
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mountains at that peak moment for a great
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price.
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Since we're on the PT podcast,
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you can have one drink and it feels
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like two or three.
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Oh, yeah.
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Altitude.
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Yeah.
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Oh, drink economically responsible.
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Exactly.
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That's smart.
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All right.
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These are fast.
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Normally we talk longer.
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Parting shot.
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What's your parting shot for today?
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if you haven't met somebody new yet at
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csm you've got to meet somebody and just
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like go up to them talk to them
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hey what are you clinically interested in
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tell me about your background like who are
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you what matters to you and you might
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leave with somebody that becomes a
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lifelong colleague the cheat code for me
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is i'm gonna hold up your badge here
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you got you got badges right and on
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it your name and like where you're from
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or where you're registered from
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My cheat code is I look at where
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someone's from and I'm like, oh, hey,
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Becca, Colorado.
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Tell me about that.
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That's so smart.
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Boom.
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People love talking about themselves and
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where they're from.
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And then that shouldn't be the only thing
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you talk about.
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But from there, things can go to Chico.
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I actually asked somebody to button my
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shirt yesterday in the lobby because I
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couldn't reach it.
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So that was my cheat code for meeting
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a new person yesterday.
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Can you help?
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So what you're saying is I should walk
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around unbuttoned most of the time.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Perfect.
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All right, Rebecca Griffith, the EDDPT,
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will be live streaming next week again.
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And thank you for doing all you do
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in the state of Colorado.
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You got it.