From Imposter Syndrome to Impact: PTs Leading Beyond the Clinic

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You're listening to the PG Pinecast,

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where smart people in healthcare come to

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make noise.

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Here's your host, Jimmy McKay.

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Pay bills before we start the episode.

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You understand how this works.

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I want to say thanks to Brooks Institute

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of Higher Learning.

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They've been with the show for more than

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three years.

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They're the place to go for PTs who,

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when they're ready to level up their

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clinical game, fellowships, residencies,

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neuro orthopedics, pediatrics, geriatrics.

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There's more.

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I don't have my notes in front of

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me,

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but you've been hearing me talk about them

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for three years.

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Here's what you should do.

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Go to the website, brooksihl.org.

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I've never heard a person say a bad

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So indulge brooksihl.org.

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One of the most talked about leadership

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sessions at CSM,

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we're about to get into it.

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We're talking about it.

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Under the bannership of leadership and

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innovation,

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three physical therapists from radically

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different career paths will now come

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together like Voltron to make a bold

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claim.

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PTs already have the skills to lead.

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We just haven't been trained to see it

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yet.

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in a session titled Leading with Care,

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Developing Physical Therapists,

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Potential in Healthcare Leadership, Todd,

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Lindsay, and Kelly.

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Connect the dots.

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It was my favorite game when I was

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a kid.

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Between what PTs already do and are good

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at in clinic and what's needed in

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healthcare leadership today and tomorrow

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and in the future.

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From therapeutic alliance to emotional

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intelligence,

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from clinical reasoning to strategic

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execution.

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The session will lay out for you,

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if you're coming to CSM,

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and I hope you are,

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how our profession can move beyond

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treatment tables and into boardrooms,

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startups, and systems level impact.

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Today, we're joined by those speakers.

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Let's welcome them to the show.

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Todd, Kelly, Lindsey, welcome to the show.

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Thanks for having us, Jimmy.

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Thank you.

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Super excited to be here.

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I'm always curious,

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because whenever there's three people with

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different backgrounds,

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and every good movie,

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if you think about it,

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is an origin story.

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How'd this thing come about?

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Who wants to say, all right,

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here's how it's kind of like Three's

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Company.

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How did the Three's Company wind up

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getting together to go to CSM?

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All right,

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Lindsay's going to take that one.

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Yeah, so I'll take this.

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So I was at a different conference earlier

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this year,

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the American College of Healthcare

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Executives.

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Oh, yeah.

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And some of those listeners may be

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familiar with that organization.

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They have an annual conference called

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Congress and attended the sessions,

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spoke there,

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and then I was on LinkedIn afterwards just

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connecting with people who had attended

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different sessions.

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And I saw,

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I believe it was a comment from Todd

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on one of the threads, and I saw,

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you know, P.T.,

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And then I think I saw Kelly and

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an MPT.

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I'm like, holy crap.

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Like there's PTs here.

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Cause a lot of times in those spaces,

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I felt kind of like an outsider, like,

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oh,

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who am I at this healthcare leadership

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conference?

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I'm a clinician.

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Um,

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but I found the more and more spaces

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I got into the more clinical leaders I

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found.

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Um,

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now primarily those tend to be physicians,

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nurses, things like that.

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Um,

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and so I was so energized when I

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ran into Todd and Kelly.

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And I'm like, guys,

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we got to bring a session to Congress

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again in twenty six.

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We got to present there and we have

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to hit CSM.

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And that's kind of how the origin story,

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as you put it, began.

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And so it's been really great to get

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to know both of them.

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Like you said,

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radically different backgrounds.

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So we're really pulling from all of our

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different experiences and synthesizing it

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together for a really great session.

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All right.

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And we'll get it for the audience.

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We'll get into the session.

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But any good podcast host,

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I don't want to just ask a lazy

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like, well, tell us about your background.

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But since I teed it up and you

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already you volunteered,

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you started talking.

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I said you have radically different

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backgrounds.

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What's yours specifically?

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What's your two to three sentence sort of

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superhero origin story?

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Explain it.

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So Army PT,

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I was doing my clinical rotations before

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applying to PT school,

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saw an Army nurse on a billboard and

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was like,

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do they have physical therapists?

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I Googled it.

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Turns out they do, spoiler alert,

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but I've been doing it for the past

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fifteen years.

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That's awesome.

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All right.

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So my next question will go with Kelly,

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then Todd's with the same question.

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Why'd you say yes?

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Like, you know, Kelly, why were you like,

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all right,

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did you feel the same sort of Hey,

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there's look at that same people with some

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of the same letters?

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Or why'd you jump in?

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Why'd you say yes.

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So I attended Lindsay's session at the

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conference that she's mentioned,

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and was really impressed with what she did

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there.

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So when she reached out,

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I just thought, well,

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this should be fun to work with.

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Let's see where this goes.

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And then as we talked,

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and it was a great topic.

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I think it's a great,

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it's great information to share with

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fellow PTs out there.

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Some of it,

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and as we develop the information,

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I know I said several times,

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I wish I would have had a talk

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like this whenever I was a young new

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PT.

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And that's when you know you're onto

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something, right?

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It's like, wow, they always say, like,

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write the book for you ten years ago

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that you wish you had to get you

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through the last ten years.

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So before we go to Todd, though, Kelly,

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what's your sort of background that comes

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here that's not like Lindsay's at all?

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So I have been in pediatrics my entire

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career.

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I was a pediatric physical therapist,

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pretty much totally clinical the first

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fifteen years of my career and then

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transitioned into leadership this kind of

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last half.

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Okay,

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so not a lot of babies in the

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army,

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but maybe we're going to be forward

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thinking and then we'll have more of that

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in the future.

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Now we'll come to Todd.

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Why'd you say yes, Todd?

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I know a little bit about your background.

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I know it's not like either of these

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women.

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I mean,

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I just think it's so important because

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I've ended up in leadership and I didn't

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see it for myself.

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Sort of like what Kelly was saying.

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I didn't see it for myself.

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And here I am at this conference and

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saw this post about Lindsay and like,

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whoa, there's another PT out here.

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I feel like I'm the only one, right?

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I'm like, oh gosh, there's other folks.

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So let's connect and let's make this

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happen.

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And I actually think I told Lindsay and

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Kelly when we came up with this idea

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to do this presentation, like,

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we're going to have one heck of a

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story that this thing all started through

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a LinkedIn comment that we all got

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connected.

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And that is, I mean,

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I come from a comms background, right?

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So when you have a hammer,

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all you see in the world is nails.

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You said the word story.

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Those are the best presentations, right?

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Story with a meaning,

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not just up there to tell you about

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something without the meaning.

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That's why fairy tales, spoiler alert,

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that's why fairy tales,

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they're lessons wrapped in story, right?

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So those, in my opinion,

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those are some of the sessions if you

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said, hey,

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do you remember anything from CSM?

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Actually, it's going to be full circle.

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My first CSM was LA.

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But do you remember anything?

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The only ones I feel like I remember

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are the ones where the presenters told

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great stories.

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So since there's three,

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usually one-on-one interviews are pretty

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good.

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One-on-two,

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we got one-on-three on this one.

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So I'm gonna act like a hockey referee.

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I'm gonna drop the puck and you guys

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can fight who wants to answer first.

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Start us off with your session.

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We understand who's who in the zoo now.

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What's the big message or messages you

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want to deliver to PTs when we meet

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up?

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You guys are, by the way, Valentine's Day.

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So I got to be honest,

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if you want to make sure people like

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you and give you good reviews,

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maybe some candy, maybe some Valentine's.

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That's just me throwing you some good

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ideas.

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But what's the big message you hope PTs

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walk out of that room with after your

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session?

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not gonna lie a hundred percent was

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thinking this morning i'm gonna have to

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get some chocolates like presentation and

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come with big bag of chocolates for

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everybody so now i think i'm committed to

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that if you heard this now i'm committed

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to bringing that bag of chocolates to

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anaheim

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But since we're in LA,

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I'm going to go and use a little

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bit of an analogy from Hollywood and from

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Disney in particular,

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because we're literally down the street

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from Disneyland at the conference.

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And in the Disney world,

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you have Star Wars now.

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And if you think about Star Wars and

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the Jedi,

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they all are strong with the force, right?

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It's something that's inherent in them.

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But they have to be trained to become

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Jedi Knights.

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I think we are the same.

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Once you're trained as a PT,

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you have these skills,

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whether it's building the therapeutic

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alliance,

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whether it's thinking strategically about

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a care plan.

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These are all transferable skills that can

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make you a really great leader.

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But you have to take a little bit

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of training.

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You have to take some time to walk

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the path and develop yourself and

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understand the skills that you have and

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how it's transferable.

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And that's where we're going.

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We're going to show you what it is

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that you already have as a PT that

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you can leverage to become a great leader

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in your organization.

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When people hire me for communications

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projects, I'm like, hey,

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thanks for paying me lots of money.

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Spoiler alert,

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the ideas that I'm going to give you

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are already in the room.

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I'm just going to pull them out.

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But that's I feel like part of your

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message,

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which is like these things that you maybe

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don't understand to be so powerful or

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transferable or important other places are

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and you already have them.

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And then I realized, Todd,

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I skipped over your superhero origin

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story.

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I want people to understand where you're

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coming from, too.

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So let's do that right now.

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Sure.

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Neither the Army nor pediatrics,

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although my wife is a pediatric PT.

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I started down the orthopedic and sports

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path, did my residency and everything,

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and then about five, six years in,

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and I work in Silicon Valley,

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so you interact with folks that are in

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the tech space.

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I met some folks that were interested in

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doing a physical therapy-related startup

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and said, that seems interesting to me.

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I'm going to go and do that.

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That was back in in and still at

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that today in the health tech space.

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Love that.

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All right.

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So one of the core points is that

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PTs already have leadership skills.

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They just don't realize it.

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What clinical strengths translate

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directly, not indirectly,

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but directly to leading teams or

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organizations or being successful

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somewhere outside the clinic?

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Kelly,

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I feel like you said my first first

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fifteen years were clinical and then not.

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So we'll start with you.

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what clinical skills or clinical strengths

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translate directly that maybe you knew or

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didn't know,

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but all of a sudden you realize, oh,

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I've done this before just with babies.

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Oh, sure.

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Well,

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so when you work with babies and children,

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you're also working with parents and

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caregivers.

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So you've got a lot of educating,

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a lot of training, a lot of,

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I think we have inherent motivation

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skills.

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We have some inherent sort of sales skills

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in order to get buy-in and compliance.

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I think even before that, though,

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we have to establish structure

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We have to establish trust and in

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collaboration with the parents

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specifically.

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And I think we do a lot of

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that in leadership as well.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Same questions for Lindsay too.

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We'll come back to you.

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What do you think of those skills that,

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hey, look at this.

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This actually works here well.

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So the first thing I like to do

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when I meet a new patient is to

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understand them and where they're at.

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Where are they at?

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Where do they want to go?

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And what are the barriers to get there?

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And I think extrapolating that more

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broadly into a leadership space,

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that's all that we're doing.

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And so that's really where this clinical

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care as your roadmap to leadership began,

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because it was like, Hey,

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like the things that we do in a

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clinical session where we establish

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rapport,

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we build the trust that Kelly was talking

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about.

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We problem solve, diagnose,

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build shared understanding.

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What's our action plan.

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How do I motivate them,

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get them committed to it?

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And then how do we monitor and adjust?

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So that's really the roadmap to your

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clinical success and also your success

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more broadly as a leader.

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So that's where we're drawing parallels

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from between those really kind of hallmark

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things that make a physical therapist

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successful.

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And that also translates to successful

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leadership.

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Yeah.

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Military, working with kids and sports.

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I feel like there's so many sports

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analogies,

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our business analogies or business

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analogies, our sports analogies.

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So Todd,

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you came from the world of sort of

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sports physical therapy.

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Was it as obvious for you or did

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you figure out what you showed up outside

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of the sports realm?

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I certainly think I took a lot of

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inspiration from sports in my leadership

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journey and understanding what does it

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mean to be a team captain?

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What does that mean?

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What does the team captain do?

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What's their role on the team?

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How do they lead the team from that

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position?

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But at the end of the day,

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I think Lindsay said some of this so

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well is all these different things that we

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do as PTs.

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The one thing I think I'll add that

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we're going to talk about in Anaheim is

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hope, bringing hope.

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Because as PTs,

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when we work with our patients,

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a lot of it is we're giving them

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hope.

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We're giving them hope they're going to

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recover from their injury and they're

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going to move forward.

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They're going to restore their function

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that they had.

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They're going to be able to do the

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things that they did before they had

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whatever injury or condition they were

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coming to see us for.

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And that's important in the organization

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as well.

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As a leader,

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you have to have the ability to inspire.

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You have to have the ability to give

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hope to the folks that are following you,

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the people that you're leading,

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so that you can ultimately achieve the

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goals of the team of the organization.

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So we'll talk a little bit about that.

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I think that's something that is easy to

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overlook,

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but it's also very much a core competency

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of what we do as PTs.

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Yeah.

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The phrase that I don't know if I

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realized before I was in PT school,

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maybe I just had no concept of failure

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and just decided I was going to do

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something was imposter syndrome.

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I feel like something's been brought up

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that sort of has been brought up a

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couple times like, hey,

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I didn't realize I was allowed to be

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here.

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I know I've thought that and said that

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several times.

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How do you coach?

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others or self-coach yourself through that

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since you are as one of the friend

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of my podcast rebecca griffith says using

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familiar skills in a non-familiar place

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which is great for me especially because i

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get to come tell the same jokes i

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told for fifteen years in radio and

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they're all new here because no one's

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heard these gags right so how do you

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coach yourself or others through maybe

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some of those feelings uh lindsay you're

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already nodding we'll start with you

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Oh, sorry.

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Yeah, this is kind of my bag.

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That's what I spoke about at Congress

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earlier, or I guess last year now,

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on imposter syndrome.

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So really to break it down,

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because a lot of people might not know

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what imposter syndrome means,

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even though the phrase is thrown around,

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but really it's the inability to believe

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that your success is deserved.

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You'll hear phrases commonly like,

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I was just at the right place at

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the right time, or I tricked them,

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or they're going to find me out.

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I really don't belong here.

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But I would say to start coaching yourself

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and others through imposter syndrome is to

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really do a deep dive on who you

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are as a person.

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to understand what your strengths are,

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what are your weaknesses and owning those

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things.

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And so actually during this session,

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because we have ninety minutes,

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we're going to be inviting the attendees

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to engage in their own personal SWOT

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analysis.

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So looking at strengths, weaknesses,

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opportunities and threats.

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And for me personally,

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when I come into a space,

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I know what my strengths are and I

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know what my weaknesses are.

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And I own my weaknesses before anyone else

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can own them for me.

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And so I might come into a space

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and be like, hey, guys,

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I'm really good at this, this and this.

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But hey, Kelly,

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I see you're really strong here.

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That's where I'm going to need a lot

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of support.

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And I own that.

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I think that that shows a lot of

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that you're reflecting on yourself,

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that you're self-aware and you can turn

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those weaknesses into strengths by doing.

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by kind of shining a light on them.

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And I think when you do that,

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others are more likely to share their

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weaknesses too.

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So then you're really building like a

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sustainable solution rather than all kind

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of putting up fronts and being like, yeah,

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we know what's going on,

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but you're not really getting into like a

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deep conversation on the problem at hand

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and how we can build a best solution

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forward.

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So that's how I would coach myself and

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others through is by that SWOT.

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Yeah.

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Kelly, let's go to you.

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What's the focus?

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What's the story?

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What's the thing you hope people walk away

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from your portion?

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I don't know about it.

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I don't know specifically just from my

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portion, but I hope that...

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that the PTs in attendance walk away just

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kind of thinking about other things they

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might be able to do outside of strict

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clinical positions,

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but also that recognizing that the skills

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of the people in the room are needed

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in leadership spaces,

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that they bring value to those spaces,

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that they bring diversity in

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perspectives the experience and the lenses

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that they look through and i think um

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i mean in healthcare leadership

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specifically we always like to see leaders

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that have been in clinical shoes before um

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why why is that valuable i think i

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know but i want to hear why you

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think that because i agree

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again that perspective of the practicing

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clinician those co-workers on the front

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lines providers therapists kind of again

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shifting and thinking away from

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spreadsheets and what looks good on paper

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what makes sense on paper to what what

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actually translates to to real practice

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Yeah.

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Other things that we brought up in the

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intro and that you can find when you're

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perusing your APTA app,

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which you should download beforehand.

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This way you can...

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I feel like there's three types of people.

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We're recording this in January.

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I'll probably release this.

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I like to release it maybe a week

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before people get on the plane.

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This way they have something to download

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while they're flying.

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There's three types of people.

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People who already know in January what

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sessions they're going to on what day.

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I can be friends with those people,

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but I am not that person.

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There are people who decide on the flight,

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and there are people who decide four

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minutes into a session.

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And I am the second or third,

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depends on that day.

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But as we mentioned in the session

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highlights, emotional intelligence,

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courageous conversations that that's

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really what you're going to highlight.

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Is there a story that I don't want

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you to give away the whole thing,

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but we can do a movie trailer version.

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Is there a story where those skills made

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the difference in your own leadership

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journeys that maybe you bring into,

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or maybe you haven't thought to bring to

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the presentation?

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So I can,

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I can jump on this one if you're

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throwing down the puck.

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Um, so for me,

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my kind of origin story with, um,

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Working through imposter syndrome was when

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I attended a program through the Army,

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which plug for people interested in

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serving in the Army.

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Lots of additional education

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opportunities,

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endless career advancements.

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You're in leadership roles before you're

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ready,

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but that's where a lot of growth happens.

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So if that piques your interest,

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hit me up on LinkedIn.

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Would love to discuss your future career

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in military medicine.

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But I was in a MBA,

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MHA program in twenty nineteen.

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And I remember the first day we were

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doing introductions and one guy stood up

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and was like,

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I'm just here to learn what all those

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providers are doing all day.

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And I'm like, excuse you, sir.

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I mean,

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we're the ones actually doing the work.

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So I just knew that my voice could

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add value to those spaces where we didn't

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have seats at the table.

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And, you know,

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I'm sure Kelly's experienced this and she

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was

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what was discussing this where it's like

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those people in the rooms making the

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decisions that impact us on the front

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lines of healthcare and we're like who the

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heck came up with this dumb idea and

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they don't know how to actually translate

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into actual clinical practice and it's

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like we need to get seats in in

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those tables in those rooms so that was

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really put a fire under me to where

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i'm like no i belong in this space

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and i'm gonna i'm gonna bridge that gap

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um between that so

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I don't know if that's answering your

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question because now I've just worked

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myself into a tizzy,

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but I get really passionate about the

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topic.

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I get it.

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I get brought into situations.

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My mom said it best when I was

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trying hard to explain what I wanted to

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do that didn't exist yet.

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I sort of had the elements.

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She just put it together.

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She said,

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you speak two languages fluently.

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I had been on the creating...

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you know, I hate the term like content,

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right?

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I've been communicating for my whole life.

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And then I've been a clinician and went

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through PT school and been in the clinic.

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And now I was in the room full

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of marketers for lack of a better term.

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And I'm saying, Hey,

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I see what you're trying to do,

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but no PT would ever say that,

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or they would never do that or look

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at that, or that's a stock image.

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I don't know what you're trying to do

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there.

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But then on the other side,

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I could walk in through a room full

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of clinicians and I'm like,

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I see what you're trying to accomplish.

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That's not the way if we just streamline

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it down.

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So I am able to jump between those

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two rooms.

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And I feel like that's sort of the

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core of what both of what all three

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of you were saying,

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which is you take those familiar skill.

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You can't you can't on.

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I can't not look through the lens of

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a former radio DJ.

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Sorry, did it for fifteen years.

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You can't take that.

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You can take the guy out of the

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studio.

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But how do you yes and that?

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And that's a multiplier, right?

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That's good.

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I mean,

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you can't get fifteen years of radio

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experience.

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You can't get military clinical experience

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in a weekend course.

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You can't get it on Netflix of CEUs.

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You can't do it.

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And that's terribly valuable.

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So it's so accurate as to be able

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to be in that space to have the

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experience as a clinician to have been on

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the front lines and work with the

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patients.

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And then to elevate into the leadership

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space where you can truly multiply your

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impact.

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And for me, day to day,

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like that's the thing that I get excited

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about in leadership and why I

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enjoy what I do and I stick with

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what I do.

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Don't get me wrong,

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I love seeing patients.

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That was something that I truly enjoyed,

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be able to have that impact one-to-one.

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But when you look at leadership,

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at least for me,

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it's this opportunity to expand that

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impact, to have a greater impact,

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help more lives potentially through what I

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do,

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through how I lead my team and lead

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my organization.

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That's what gets me excited is taking what

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I was doing before,

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taking those skills that I built,

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and then leveraging them in a different

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way.

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to have greater impact now this isn't this

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is an imposter syndrome so this question

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i'm not even sure what the term would

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be but i felt sort of like guilty

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that i said i was going to be

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a pt i went through school i graduated

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i promise i have a degree i passed

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all the tests i got the little license

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somewhere around here in a file and then

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i was going to do this not

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standard pt thing i was going to leave

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the clinic after two years and i sort

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of walked around looking for permission

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and as we all know we know this

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you don't really need it that's how this

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world works you sort of just run around

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do whatever you want within reason did any

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of you face that too or am i

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the only weirdo who was like i sort

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of really want to do this other thing

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but i feel sort of guilty for

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looking at my colleagues or classmates in

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the eye and being like, hey,

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remember that thing we were all going to

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do?

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You're going to do it,

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but I'm going to do this other thing.

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And I still feel that to this day,

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you know, ten years later.

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I absolutely had that whenever I

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transitioned into a leadership role.

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I mean,

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I think especially after doing it for

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fifteen years and so focused on

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pediatrics,

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it was a little part of my identity.

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And so I did feel that guilt.

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I'm not sure who that guilt was directed

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towards, but definitely felt that.

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And then I had my kids in my

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ears the past decade plus saying, Mom,

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you're not really a PT anymore.

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But I am.

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So totally have felt that and lots of

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ways I can rationalize that.

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And I think like others, the way,

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I mean,

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the fulfillment I get is that I am

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supporting many other PTs as well as many

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other disciplines doing the work that they

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do.

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I mean,

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one of the biggest parts of my day

00:23:47.270 --> 00:23:48.691
is blocking and tackling, right?

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So that they can be successful in what

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they're doing frontline, bedside,

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at the bat in the gym with the

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patients.

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You're doing the thing that Lindsay was

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just talking about.

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Who designed this?

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Where was the person with the voice of

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the clinician in the room when this was

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being decided and why are we doing this?

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Kelly,

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it sounds like you're in that room making

00:24:09.797 --> 00:24:14.320
sure before the decision is made that all

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angles have been heard and thought about.

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doing my very best yeah yeah that whole

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phrase uh you know if you're not at

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the table you're on the menu and i

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would say well go ups be in the

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kitchen because that's where that's where

00:24:25.608 --> 00:24:27.128
it happens before it actually makes it to

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the table and that's a great way to

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start to think maybe this is just me

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i mean i graduated in so it's been

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ten years i feel like

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It's either happening more or we're just

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hearing about it more.

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I'm excited about either.

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I hope it's happening more and we're

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hearing about it more.

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But Todd, for you,

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do you see more people, more PTs,

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more of us stepping into places where we

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typically aren't?

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I think so.

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And again,

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I think we certainly hear about it more.

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There's social media out there.

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There's the LinkedIn's and things like

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that out there that make it more visible.

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But then I think if you look at

00:25:03.692 --> 00:25:05.453
CSM sessions, for example,

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and you sampled that,

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I recall when I first went,

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I don't know,

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well something like that it felt all very

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clinical it's all this very linear

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clinical path and now i feel like when

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you look at the sessions there's much

00:25:18.701 --> 00:25:21.122
broader things that are being presented

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there's much different discussions and so

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i think there's some of that happening too

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we're we are seeing the opportunity we're

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seeing the roles that we can fill beyond

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graduating and get going to the clinic and

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don't get me wrong my wife practices

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full-time in the clinic

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It's very noble.

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We need those folks.

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We need those folks that are going to

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do that because that's the core of how

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we're going to interact with

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folks in the community that we serve,

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but we also need folks that are going

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to do things beyond that.

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And there's going to be a balance.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Let's, let's, I'll ask the same question.

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We'll go Lindsay, Kelly,

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Todd is the batting order.

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How do you approach CSM?

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You're going there as a presenter,

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you're going to do your ninety minutes,

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right?

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But you're hopefully going to go to some

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other sessions.

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I'm always curious how other people

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decide.

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Like I've been both.

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I've been the guy on the plane a

00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:08.460
day before and I've been the guy five

00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:09.319
minutes before saying,

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did the session just start?

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Where should it be?

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Um,

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how do you pick and then what are,

00:26:14.163 --> 00:26:15.846
what, if anything, you don't have to be,

00:26:15.885 --> 00:26:17.227
give me a specific session,

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but what do you, what's,

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what are the ingredients of something that

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excites you in terms of title or, uh,

00:26:22.751 --> 00:26:22.913
or,

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or details of a session that makes you

00:26:24.653 --> 00:26:25.295
want to jump in?

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Definitely catchy title is what's going to

00:26:29.778 --> 00:26:30.138
get me,

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but I'm not going to pretend like I'm

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actually going to look at the thing before

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I get there.

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I honestly,

00:26:35.462 --> 00:26:36.663
I don't even know if we're signed up

00:26:36.703 --> 00:26:36.943
yet.

00:26:36.963 --> 00:26:38.726
Like I'm very confused with how all this

00:26:38.746 --> 00:26:38.846
works,

00:26:39.145 --> 00:26:40.207
but I know it's all going to be

00:26:40.287 --> 00:26:40.686
okay.

00:26:41.008 --> 00:26:42.868
Todd's keeping us alive with, you know,

00:26:42.909 --> 00:26:44.369
getting everything submitted on time.

00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:46.332
He's been really keeping us together.

00:26:47.152 --> 00:26:48.973
So everyone can thank Todd for our session

00:26:48.993 --> 00:26:50.355
when it kicks off without a hitch.

00:26:50.914 --> 00:26:51.596
So thank you, Todd.

00:26:53.116 --> 00:26:54.258
So I haven't looked at any of the

00:26:54.298 --> 00:26:56.480
sessions, but I think for me, what,

00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:58.580
how I'm going to drive this is just

00:26:58.621 --> 00:27:01.441
by focusing on building relationships and

00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:03.241
meeting people there and talking to them.

00:27:03.281 --> 00:27:04.561
Hey, what sessions are you going to?

00:27:04.602 --> 00:27:05.823
And kind of that word of mouth thing,

00:27:06.202 --> 00:27:07.002
because, you know,

00:27:07.063 --> 00:27:08.804
you can only read so much into a

00:27:08.824 --> 00:27:09.564
session when you're reading the

00:27:09.584 --> 00:27:10.144
description.

00:27:10.223 --> 00:27:11.743
But really, if it's like, oh, no,

00:27:11.763 --> 00:27:13.704
this session is going to be awesome for

00:27:13.744 --> 00:27:13.904
me.

00:27:13.964 --> 00:27:15.246
I don't think I'll focus more on the

00:27:17.006 --> 00:27:19.448
more tactical clinical related sessions as

00:27:19.508 --> 00:27:19.749
much.

00:27:19.788 --> 00:27:22.351
I'd be more interested in the leadership

00:27:23.030 --> 00:27:24.112
policy things,

00:27:24.192 --> 00:27:25.333
which kind of brings us back to the

00:27:25.373 --> 00:27:27.015
last question of like, you know,

00:27:27.035 --> 00:27:28.316
we got to get in that room and

00:27:28.375 --> 00:27:29.656
that's so we can advocate for our

00:27:29.717 --> 00:27:30.297
profession.

00:27:30.538 --> 00:27:32.499
Like we wonder why our reimbursements

00:27:32.638 --> 00:27:32.940
suck,

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.601
which I'm honestly not even that familiar

00:27:34.641 --> 00:27:36.522
with coming from the military sector.

00:27:37.002 --> 00:27:37.804
But I know more broadly,

00:27:37.824 --> 00:27:39.065
that's a huge issue.

00:27:39.545 --> 00:27:41.066
And we wonder, well, why?

00:27:41.145 --> 00:27:41.987
Why don't we get good?

00:27:42.146 --> 00:27:42.488
It's like, well,

00:27:42.508 --> 00:27:44.229
because we need to build those leaders

00:27:44.249 --> 00:27:46.290
that can get to those tables and advocate

00:27:46.330 --> 00:27:47.832
for what we do as a profession.

00:27:48.271 --> 00:27:50.574
And that's a huge translational gap that

00:27:50.713 --> 00:27:52.996
we need to be really intentional about

00:27:53.036 --> 00:27:53.455
filling.

00:27:53.576 --> 00:27:54.616
And I think the APTA

00:27:55.698 --> 00:27:57.601
is working deliberately in that space

00:27:57.921 --> 00:27:59.221
because they see the importance of it.

00:27:59.261 --> 00:28:00.864
So I think that's why this leadership

00:28:00.903 --> 00:28:02.526
session was picked up for an on-demand

00:28:03.007 --> 00:28:05.128
webinar where people can view it who

00:28:05.189 --> 00:28:07.071
aren't even attending CSM in person

00:28:07.852 --> 00:28:10.035
because they see the value in curating

00:28:10.174 --> 00:28:11.537
those leaders from our field.

00:28:12.067 --> 00:28:12.228
Yeah,

00:28:12.367 --> 00:28:13.848
and kudos to the Academy of Leadership and

00:28:13.868 --> 00:28:14.288
Innovation.

00:28:15.509 --> 00:28:17.490
I try not to assume that people listening

00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:21.590
understand how deep and how wide APTA is.

00:28:21.730 --> 00:28:22.611
Listen, love it or hate it,

00:28:22.651 --> 00:28:24.471
there's a bunch of PTs who are doing

00:28:24.491 --> 00:28:27.792
a lot of work behind the scenes.

00:28:27.972 --> 00:28:29.433
I wish we could shine a light on

00:28:29.453 --> 00:28:30.413
a lot more of the work,

00:28:30.453 --> 00:28:31.594
but the Academy of Leadership and

00:28:31.614 --> 00:28:34.115
Innovation really does do a lot of those

00:28:34.154 --> 00:28:36.096
things that Lindsay was talking about in

00:28:36.115 --> 00:28:36.875
terms of content.

00:28:37.337 --> 00:28:38.558
Kelly, how do you approach this?

00:28:38.878 --> 00:28:40.299
You know, Lindsay just said, hey,

00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:41.401
you got to write a catchy title.

00:28:41.441 --> 00:28:43.021
Give me something to sink my teeth into.

00:28:43.521 --> 00:28:44.962
What are some of the things you look

00:28:45.343 --> 00:28:46.503
and how do you try to like sort

00:28:46.544 --> 00:28:47.365
of, you know,

00:28:47.464 --> 00:28:49.945
mix up your bag before you before you

00:28:49.965 --> 00:28:51.767
leave CSM to make sure you got what

00:28:51.787 --> 00:28:52.428
you needed to get?

00:28:53.262 --> 00:28:53.563
Yeah,

00:28:53.603 --> 00:28:56.203
so I'm typically sort of naturally drawn

00:28:56.263 --> 00:29:00.684
to anything that in that catchy title

00:29:00.704 --> 00:29:00.984
says,

00:29:01.025 --> 00:29:01.924
we're going to show you how to be

00:29:01.944 --> 00:29:04.306
a better leader and how to better serve

00:29:04.346 --> 00:29:05.885
the people that you lead.

00:29:06.346 --> 00:29:08.727
And so I have to be pretty cognizant

00:29:08.747 --> 00:29:09.747
to, like you said,

00:29:09.787 --> 00:29:10.708
mix it up a little bit.

00:29:12.228 --> 00:29:15.209
Do some of the things in,

00:29:15.229 --> 00:29:17.409
we'll say Todd's realm that are not my

00:29:17.449 --> 00:29:17.969
forte.

00:29:18.048 --> 00:29:20.289
So kind of the more

00:29:21.352 --> 00:29:24.575
technical AI advances so that I can at

00:29:24.634 --> 00:29:27.857
least follow the conversations whenever

00:29:27.938 --> 00:29:30.200
I'm in the rooms with those conversations

00:29:30.220 --> 00:29:30.779
happening.

00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:33.142
And then, you know,

00:29:33.182 --> 00:29:35.104
being pretty far removed from hands-on

00:29:35.144 --> 00:29:35.805
clinical work,

00:29:35.865 --> 00:29:39.647
I do try to attend some sessions that,

00:29:41.509 --> 00:29:41.829
you know,

00:29:42.211 --> 00:29:43.471
kind of keep me up to speed on

00:29:43.531 --> 00:29:45.693
what the clinicians are doing as well.

00:29:46.075 --> 00:29:46.516
So so far,

00:29:46.536 --> 00:29:47.636
if you're keeping score at home,

00:29:47.696 --> 00:29:49.819
two points for marketing in terms of write

00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.521
a great title and you can do that

00:29:51.561 --> 00:29:52.103
however you want.

00:29:52.923 --> 00:29:53.605
Todd, how about you?

00:29:53.644 --> 00:29:54.546
How do you approach this?

00:29:55.106 --> 00:29:56.307
The first time I did it ten years

00:29:56.347 --> 00:29:56.528
ago,

00:29:56.588 --> 00:29:58.050
I said it's like it's a circus with

00:29:58.090 --> 00:29:59.573
eighteen circuses inside of it.

00:29:59.932 --> 00:30:00.874
So it can be overwhelming.

00:30:00.913 --> 00:30:01.855
How do you approach CSM?

00:30:02.770 --> 00:30:05.053
So I always try to get something that

00:30:05.073 --> 00:30:06.614
I'm not doing in my day.

00:30:06.973 --> 00:30:08.755
That's my first rule for CSM.

00:30:08.795 --> 00:30:09.635
It's so broad.

00:30:09.655 --> 00:30:11.777
There's just so many different sections

00:30:11.836 --> 00:30:13.617
and just the breadth of knowledge and the

00:30:13.698 --> 00:30:14.939
breadth of practice we have in physical

00:30:14.959 --> 00:30:15.940
therapy is really incredible.

00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:17.361
And so I've always,

00:30:17.381 --> 00:30:18.342
when I've gone to CSM,

00:30:18.981 --> 00:30:20.403
I'm going to try not to go to

00:30:20.423 --> 00:30:21.242
an ortho section.

00:30:21.303 --> 00:30:22.503
So like, sorry, ortho folks,

00:30:22.784 --> 00:30:23.884
you have great work that's going on.

00:30:23.904 --> 00:30:26.366
But that's what I lived in for years.

00:30:26.967 --> 00:30:29.388
I want to go see a neuro session

00:30:29.469 --> 00:30:31.970
or peds or something that's different from

00:30:32.009 --> 00:30:32.990
what I do every day.

00:30:33.371 --> 00:30:34.030
Because for me,

00:30:34.251 --> 00:30:35.672
I think that's where you can generate a

00:30:35.711 --> 00:30:36.353
lot of ideas.

00:30:36.432 --> 00:30:37.614
Can we cross pollinate here?

00:30:37.933 --> 00:30:39.194
Is there something that you're doing over

00:30:39.255 --> 00:30:41.496
there that maybe I should be applying in

00:30:41.855 --> 00:30:43.076
my world or in your world?

00:30:43.136 --> 00:30:43.797
in my treatment.

00:30:44.218 --> 00:30:45.538
And so that's how I approach it.

00:30:46.198 --> 00:30:47.818
I basically look at the things that I

00:30:47.858 --> 00:30:49.900
do and look at them to see if

00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.320
there's something particularly interesting

00:30:51.361 --> 00:30:51.980
that I want to do.

00:30:52.381 --> 00:30:53.362
But then I go look at all the

00:30:53.402 --> 00:30:55.722
other sections and say, what's there?

00:30:55.762 --> 00:30:57.363
What can I learn that's really novel or

00:30:57.423 --> 00:30:57.784
different?

00:30:58.423 --> 00:31:00.085
Almost try to find the things that are

00:31:00.525 --> 00:31:02.486
furthest away from what I'm doing in my

00:31:02.526 --> 00:31:02.905
day to day.

00:31:03.125 --> 00:31:04.646
yeah i always found it interesting or

00:31:04.767 --> 00:31:07.127
unique or i don't know sort of like

00:31:07.209 --> 00:31:09.269
uh uh the opposite it's called the

00:31:09.309 --> 00:31:11.411
combined section this meaning we come

00:31:11.431 --> 00:31:13.451
together and then we all separate into

00:31:13.471 --> 00:31:15.373
these little sections wait a minute you

00:31:15.393 --> 00:31:16.253
have a bunch of people who have a

00:31:16.273 --> 00:31:17.454
bunch of differences they can learn from

00:31:17.515 --> 00:31:18.855
each other we're all hanging out in the

00:31:18.895 --> 00:31:21.477
same room with each other uh two questions

00:31:21.537 --> 00:31:22.798
left we'll do this one question that we

00:31:22.817 --> 00:31:24.838
have the parting shot this for all of

00:31:24.858 --> 00:31:26.400
you feel free to jump on it what's

00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:27.260
one thing

00:31:27.941 --> 00:31:32.143
you hope PTs actually do differently after

00:31:32.182 --> 00:31:34.523
your presentation at CSM or this

00:31:34.564 --> 00:31:35.084
conversation?

00:31:35.124 --> 00:31:36.223
What's something?

00:31:36.243 --> 00:31:37.464
We'll start with Lindsay because you gave

00:31:37.484 --> 00:31:37.964
me the nod.

00:31:37.984 --> 00:31:39.265
You gave me the nonverbal.

00:31:39.684 --> 00:31:40.746
I'm just always nodding.

00:31:40.766 --> 00:31:41.685
I don't know.

00:31:41.746 --> 00:31:42.787
You're always going to get called on.

00:31:42.826 --> 00:31:45.807
You knew that in class.

00:31:45.827 --> 00:31:46.607
The one thing,

00:31:46.748 --> 00:31:48.969
the one behavior change I would want our

00:31:49.009 --> 00:31:51.589
attendees to make is to raise their hand

00:31:51.690 --> 00:31:56.311
when given an opportunity to impact their

00:31:56.451 --> 00:31:56.771
clinic

00:31:57.298 --> 00:31:58.337
their organization,

00:31:58.377 --> 00:31:59.759
their practice more broadly.

00:32:00.219 --> 00:32:01.398
So I always say,

00:32:01.479 --> 00:32:02.939
never close the door on yourself.

00:32:03.259 --> 00:32:04.279
And I feel like a lot of times

00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.980
we use diminutive languages where we're

00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:08.181
like, oh, I'm just a,

00:32:08.300 --> 00:32:09.601
or I'm only a,

00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:11.682
or I've only been practicing this long.

00:32:11.721 --> 00:32:12.422
It's like, hey, well,

00:32:12.501 --> 00:32:14.481
you bring a lot of insight to the

00:32:14.521 --> 00:32:16.722
table that you're discounting severely.

00:32:17.377 --> 00:32:18.958
So if it's one thing that they could

00:32:18.978 --> 00:32:21.699
take away is to understand how their

00:32:21.778 --> 00:32:23.920
clinical practice can translate more

00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:25.980
broadly as we've discussed ad nauseum,

00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:28.121
which it's still a very exciting topic and

00:32:28.560 --> 00:32:30.760
really kind of the meat and potatoes of

00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:33.481
our topic discussion.

00:32:34.001 --> 00:32:35.682
But the behavior change would be that

00:32:35.721 --> 00:32:37.843
they're more apt to raise their hand.

00:32:38.342 --> 00:32:39.002
Yeah, Lindsay,

00:32:39.022 --> 00:32:40.844
how that's my least favorite word.

00:32:40.884 --> 00:32:43.625
I'm a word guy just sort of diminishes

00:32:43.645 --> 00:32:45.067
and minimizes everything that's going to

00:32:45.106 --> 00:32:47.469
come after what you just what you're about

00:32:47.528 --> 00:32:47.909
to say.

00:32:47.989 --> 00:32:48.588
So it's Yeah,

00:32:48.930 --> 00:32:50.089
I hear that a lot with PTAs.

00:32:50.830 --> 00:32:52.412
And I I've said before,

00:32:52.451 --> 00:32:53.133
you say that again,

00:32:53.153 --> 00:32:53.972
I'm gonna throw you out of the room.

00:32:54.012 --> 00:32:56.115
You can't say just your PTA, say it,

00:32:56.315 --> 00:32:57.155
mean it, finish it.

00:32:57.476 --> 00:32:57.695
Right.

00:32:58.797 --> 00:32:59.777
Kelly, what are your thoughts?

00:33:00.857 --> 00:33:03.400
What is your hope of a change after

00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:04.681
someone leaves the room with you guys?

00:33:05.648 --> 00:33:08.070
I think kind of tagging onto what Lindsay

00:33:08.090 --> 00:33:08.290
said,

00:33:08.330 --> 00:33:13.253
just walking away from the conference,

00:33:13.273 --> 00:33:15.476
from hopefully our talk,

00:33:16.556 --> 00:33:18.577
realizing the leadership skills that you

00:33:18.637 --> 00:33:19.397
already possess.

00:33:19.498 --> 00:33:20.898
And even if you have no desire to

00:33:20.939 --> 00:33:24.662
ever go into an official role with a

00:33:24.721 --> 00:33:25.541
leadership title,

00:33:25.582 --> 00:33:28.044
you can be a leader within your clinic.

00:33:28.064 --> 00:33:32.707
You can be the one who takes students

00:33:32.747 --> 00:33:33.627
and educates them

00:33:34.401 --> 00:33:38.163
and shows the rest of your fellow PTs

00:33:38.203 --> 00:33:39.865
how to be good clinical instructors.

00:33:39.884 --> 00:33:42.326
You can be the one who brings change

00:33:42.386 --> 00:33:44.469
to your setting.

00:33:47.451 --> 00:33:48.892
Outside of your clinical practice,

00:33:48.932 --> 00:33:52.835
you have the skills and the knowledge and

00:33:53.816 --> 00:33:57.759
the capabilities to step up and make

00:33:57.778 --> 00:33:58.138
change.

00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:00.200
All right, Todd, no pressure.

00:34:00.220 --> 00:34:00.980
You got to follow those two.

00:34:02.134 --> 00:34:03.374
making it hard for me but i think

00:34:03.394 --> 00:34:05.315
what i'll say is just looking at us

00:34:05.375 --> 00:34:06.434
like look at four of us on this

00:34:06.454 --> 00:34:08.376
call right now and we're all trained as

00:34:08.416 --> 00:34:10.596
pts we all have pt degrees and we're

00:34:10.615 --> 00:34:13.577
doing vastly different things vastly

00:34:13.597 --> 00:34:16.617
different things but we have a core common

00:34:16.697 --> 00:34:17.938
skill set that we develop through our

00:34:17.958 --> 00:34:20.159
clinical training that for me i would love

00:34:20.179 --> 00:34:22.800
folks to walk away and say i have

00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.721
this fantastic set of skills that i can

00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.601
leverage to do a wide variety of things

00:34:28.862 --> 00:34:30.081
and that's on me to then

00:34:30.422 --> 00:34:32.005
go out and discover what it is that

00:34:32.025 --> 00:34:32.847
i'm going to do with that set of

00:34:32.867 --> 00:34:33.849
skills i possess

00:34:34.385 --> 00:34:35.626
Yeah, it's in the show notes,

00:34:36.206 --> 00:34:37.306
but I'll give you the nuts and bolts,

00:34:37.327 --> 00:34:37.547
too.

00:34:38.306 --> 00:34:39.827
Saturday, February fourteenth,

00:34:39.907 --> 00:34:40.768
leading with care,

00:34:40.807 --> 00:34:42.148
developing physical therapists,

00:34:42.208 --> 00:34:44.568
potential in health care leadership bright

00:34:44.588 --> 00:34:46.429
and early at eight a.m.

00:34:46.449 --> 00:34:47.329
That's smart, though,

00:34:47.489 --> 00:34:48.871
because most people are coming from the

00:34:48.951 --> 00:34:49.351
East Coast.

00:34:49.391 --> 00:34:50.992
So eight isn't so early.

00:34:51.371 --> 00:34:52.972
Still a couple of days into CSM.

00:34:53.813 --> 00:34:55.132
And just this is a public service

00:34:55.152 --> 00:34:55.713
announcement.

00:34:56.092 --> 00:34:58.134
If you have a significant other and

00:34:58.393 --> 00:34:59.755
realize that you're going to be at CSM

00:34:59.795 --> 00:35:01.695
on Valentine's Day, plan ahead.

00:35:01.994 --> 00:35:02.655
Order that thing.

00:35:02.856 --> 00:35:03.516
Get it delivered.

00:35:04.596 --> 00:35:06.077
I speak from experience, everybody.

00:35:06.097 --> 00:35:07.217
We've fallen in that trap before.

00:35:07.237 --> 00:35:07.759
It's on the way.

00:35:07.818 --> 00:35:08.259
I promise.

00:35:08.298 --> 00:35:08.679
I ordered it.

00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:09.320
It's being delivered.

00:35:09.340 --> 00:35:09.739
All right.

00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:10.960
The last thing we do on the episode

00:35:11.001 --> 00:35:12.882
is called The Parting Shot.

00:35:12.902 --> 00:35:16.043
This is The Parting Shot.

00:35:16.583 --> 00:35:17.985
One last mic drop moment.

00:35:18.666 --> 00:35:19.445
No pressure.

00:35:19.927 --> 00:35:22.007
Just your legacy on the line.

00:35:23.483 --> 00:35:25.023
No pressure, just your legacy on the line.

00:35:25.485 --> 00:35:27.385
You can repeat something you said before.

00:35:27.625 --> 00:35:29.186
Favorite quote, doesn't matter.

00:35:29.286 --> 00:35:30.226
We'll go in the batting order.

00:35:30.266 --> 00:35:32.086
Lindsey, Kelly, and then Todd.

00:35:32.967 --> 00:35:35.648
What's your parting shot, Lindsey?

00:35:35.708 --> 00:35:36.867
You belong at the table,

00:35:36.947 --> 00:35:38.068
but bring your own chair.

00:35:38.648 --> 00:35:39.088
Like it.

00:35:39.728 --> 00:35:40.329
Kelly, what do you got?

00:35:40.369 --> 00:35:43.610
Parting shot.

00:35:43.869 --> 00:35:44.710
I think we got you muted.

00:35:48.152 --> 00:35:50.512
Sorry about that.

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Parting shot.

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Take your phone off mute.

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All right.

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Thanks.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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Go ahead.

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Say it.

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What do you got?

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What's your parting shot?

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All right.

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Todd, save it.

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So I'm going to borrow from Warren

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Buffett.

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Invest in yourself.

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Love it.

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All right.

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In the show notes, the details,

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the information, however you want to plan,

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plan ahead.

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Peruse, I don't know, cheat code.

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Command A, copy, paste in the chat GPT.

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After you give chat GPT what you're

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looking for, what you're not looking for,

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and maybe it will spit something out for

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you to go.

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It's better than my old way of figuring

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out, which is throwing darts.

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So I will be on site.

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I've just heard there's a rumor there's

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going to be chocolate,

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so I'll be on site for your presentation.

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Thanks for doing this,

00:36:44.952 --> 00:36:46.094
and thanks for doing that,

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what we will see in Anaheim in just

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a couple of weeks.

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Thanks so much, guys.

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Thank you.

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That's it for this one,

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but we're just getting warmed up.

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Smash follow, send it to a friend,

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or crank up the next episode.

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Want to go deeper?

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Hit us at pgpinecast.com.

00:37:04.994 --> 00:37:06.976
Or find us on YouTube and socials at

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pgpinecast.

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And legally, none of this was advice.

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It's for entertainment purposes only.

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Bulls**t!

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See, Keith?

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We read the script.

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Happy now?