Your One-Star Review Is Content
What if your one-star review is not a disaster?
What if it is actually one of the clearest ways to show people what your clinic stands for?
In this episode of PT Breakfast Club, Jimmy McKay, Dave Kittle, and Tony Maritato talk about content, clinic storytelling, virtual assistants, outsourcing, moonlighting, AI, and referral relationships.
Jimmy and Dave start by talking about why PT Breakfast Club seems to be connecting with people: it is loose, unscripted, opinionated, and willing to say the parts that usually get sanded off professional healthcare conversations.
Then Dave shares why he made a video about a one-star Google review for Concierge Pain Relief. Instead of hiding the bad review or trying to delete it, he used it to explain how the practice works, why the model is different, and what type of patient may or may not be the right fit.
Jimmy breaks down the difference between telling a story and storytelling, then shares how he borrowed Dave’s idea for a wedding DJ marketing carousel built around fake one-star reviews from people whose weddings were too much fun.
The conversation then shifts into operations. Dave explains his experiment with virtual assistants in Costa Rica who are helping handle phone calls, lead follow-up, scheduling, EMR entry, and front desk workflows. The challenge is not just answering the phone. It is teaching the system: geography, home visit scheduling, Google Maps, commute buffers, conversion rates, and all the tiny decisions that live inside a clinic owner’s head.
From there, the crew gets into AI, employee identity, outsourcing, moonlighting, no-solicitation agreements, and whether therapists should be allowed to work elsewhere while employed full-time.
The episode closes with a setup for Thursday: a referral-source draft board. Who are the people in your neighborhood that PT clinics should build relationships with besides the obvious physician offices?
<p>This episode is part of the <a href="/physical-therapy-business-podcast">Physical Therapy Business Podcast</a>, where physical therapists and clinic owners learn how to get more patients, improve operations, and grow their clinic without relying only on referrals.</p>
<p>Looking for more episodes? Explore the full <a href="/physical-therapy-business-podcast">Physical Therapy Business Podcast</a> for real-world strategies on physical therapy marketing, patient acquisition, and clinic growth.</p>
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That's the attitude, you know what I mean?
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Broadcasting way too early from three
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separate Wi-Fi connections.
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It's PT Breakfast Club with Tony Meritato,
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Dave Kittle, and Jimmy McKay.
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Happy Tuesday morning.
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Welcome to PT Breakfast Club.
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Hey, new graphics.
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Who dis?
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Got some new images if you're watching the
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livestream.
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And apparently,
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people are watching the livestream.
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Have you seen some of the stories I've
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been sharing in the group chat?
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Like, people are like, hey, man, like,
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love the show.
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Like, unsolicited.
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I haven't been sharing anything,
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just the content.
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But we had several people be like, hey,
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man, love the show.
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Listen to it on Ride to Work and
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been listening for a while.
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And that's cool.
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But isn't it also a little weird?
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Because we talk.
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We know we're sharing it.
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But also when people are like, hey,
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I listened to that enough that they write.
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It's cool,
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but it's also I forget people hear us.
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It's weird.
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Well,
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whether someone's just tuning in for the
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first time or they've known of any one
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of us, you and I or Jimmy,
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I'm sorry, or Tony over the years,
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we've been doing it for a long time.
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Tony's here watching live while he's
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waiting and maybe he'll be jumping in.
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He'll jump.
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He's busy,
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but we're going to try to push through.
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I got a little horse, you know,
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a little horse throat.
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But when Tony's out,
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sometimes you got to play injured, right?
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You got to step up.
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So there's no excuse.
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I'm here.
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One hundred sixty two games in the year,
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man.
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You got to there's got to be some
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grind innings as well.
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Um, let me, let me,
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let me go back.
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Let me go back real quick.
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So the people that write to you that
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say that they like to show and they
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kind of mention you or all three of
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us by name.
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Oh yeah.
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Um, yeah.
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Um,
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At least, I mean,
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I have so much fun doing this,
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by the way, and I think,
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this is my hunch,
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is that because I don't usually,
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and I think we all kind of speak
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in a real, genuine way,
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and it's not
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We don't really script this.
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We don't have a paid sponsor where we
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have to be politically correct or PC or
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watch our lips.
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So I think the reason why we get
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people reaching out a lot is because
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there's not a lot of podcasts or shows
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like this
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Uh,
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because a lot of them are trying to
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sell something and, uh, believe it or not,
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we,
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we all want to sell stuff outside of
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the show and maybe this kind of show
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kind of, it kind of, it kind of,
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this,
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this show could help in certain ways.
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Um,
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you know because like i remix it sometimes
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to the dave kiddell show and we try
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to get that in front of owners and
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then owners reach out to us to potentially
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partner or sell but like i just got
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to the point of doing this now with
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you guys for i don't know a couple
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of years or something that like yeah two
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three years like it's just like it's it's
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it's
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more fun to me to just like let
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it rip and not worry about like offending
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i don't know physical therapists or
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physicians or or whoever like whatever
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we're talking about or the apta or
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whatever and so there's not a lot of
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because you mentioned pat mcafee at the
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top of the show there's not a lot
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of health care or definitely not physical
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therapy shows or podcasts that are this uh
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real and genuine and uh there's some
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better adjectives to describe like um
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definitely authentic uh almost like
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sometimes i think either either my take or
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tony's take sometimes i think either like
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contrarian or against the grain or
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surprising where some of the audience
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reaches out to me
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I get texts sometimes and it's,
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and it's like buddies or colleagues in the
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industry.
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And they're like, they're like, I,
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they're like, I really disagree with Tony.
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Uh, I really just,
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I really agree with you or whatever, or,
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you know, it's funny, you know,
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whatever this thing Jimmy said or
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whatever.
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So people reach out to me all the
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time, but it just,
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we just like let it rip.
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Like we don't have to watch what we
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say and there is no filter.
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So I think that's, I don't know,
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in my opinion,
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I think that's one of the big reasons.
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Obviously it also helps that we've all
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done video for so long.
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I think also like I â the vibe
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I get from you and Tony and I
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think myself is I don't â if I'm
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proven wrong, great.
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Like I'm not here â like you said,
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to sell anything.
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I'm not here to take an angle,
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and there's very few hills I'm going to
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die on.
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Like if I have an opinion and then
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six months later I've been shown other
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evidence of why that isn't true, I'm like,
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you know what?
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I disagree with that now,
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or my worldview has changed.
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The funny part is though,
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and maybe you've run into this,
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I'll meet people at conferences or
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anywhere online, and they'll say, hey,
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I got a great topic.
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And I'm like, why don't you come on?
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I'll interview for that.
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And they go, oh, I could never.
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I can't say that.
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And that's the thing I think you were
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getting at in the beginning is because we
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don't have a sponsor.
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But we could if you want to call
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Woody Hunt.
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No, we could have a sponsor.
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But I think if we had a sponsor
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and they asked us to do this,
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not that,
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it completely deflates everything.
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Because if we have to think twice about
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what we're saying,
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and I don't even think we have that
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many hot takes.
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I think the reason things land is because
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people are like,
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I sort of thought that too.
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You either put words to what I was
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thinking or feeling,
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or I love this compliment.
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Do you know, Mike,
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did I ever share this,
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my two favorite compliments?
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And they're in order.
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This is the second favorite compliment.
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I never thought about that before.
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And I love that because in a world
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where you have access to infinite
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information,
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you've never thought about that.
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That's so cool that we presented something
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that you hadn't thought about that.
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And the only better compliment is I've
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never thought about that that way,
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which means you have spent time thinking
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of it.
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You're looking at this thing and you're
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like,
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you made me think about looking at it
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from the other side or whatever.
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And I think the value in this show
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or this format, again, start your own.
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We're verbal processing.
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Like as I have an opinion,
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you say something, Tony says something,
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and then all of a sudden I'm like,
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I never thought â no,
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I never thought about it that way.
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Again,
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in a world of infinite information to give
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new ideas because, I mean,
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as soon as AI showed up, right,
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no more new ideas.
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AI has everything except we know that's
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not true.
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Like you still need the human to sort
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of spin that or look at it.
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Oh, Tony agrees.
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I never thought about it.
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Never thought of it.
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And since we're riffing on it,
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it's like the Pat McAfee show in a
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way where we and him,
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he's way more irreverent.
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And I think when we started,
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we were probably a little similar to the
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shows and stuff and all that that we
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used to kind of do.
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professional like when you when you
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interview someone from apta like let's be
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honest yeah yeah the interaction is not
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the way tony and i are like disagreeing
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with each other and saying like that
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sounds like a horrible idea and that is
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ridiculous and i disagree or whatever like
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so i think as i've had more fun
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with it i think i've leaned into that
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a little bit more i think tony's not
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here but i think he would agree uh
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and and he and i i think have
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gotten even more comfortable with
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conveying and you too i mean conveying our
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opinions and not necessarily like playing
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like like the referee or the middle ground
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but like actually taking a side which
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that's another refreshing that's another
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refreshing thing that like you don't
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usually see or hear on like normal like
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professional industry podcaster shows
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that's sort of why i liked radio again
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when i went to school you know for
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journalism it was radio tv newspaper
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Like there was no,
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so that's how old Jimmy is that there
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wasn't social,
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but I remember looking and like radio had
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to be, or sorry,
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TV had to be super polished and scripted
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newspaper, deep, deep.
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And the process was slow and neither of
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those things are bad.
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I just looked at it.
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I was like,
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you mean to tell me I pushed this
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button.
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I say something,
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people hear it at the same time.
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Sign me up.
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I was like, let's, let's do that.
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Um, all right,
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so let's get into a topic.
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Did you guys talk about this last week,
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the video you made about your one-star
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review?
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Do you remember what we talked about?
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I thought we all talked about it before,
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but let's do it.
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Let's do it again.
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Let's talk about it again.
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I loved it.
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I thought, so you did,
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I can play it,
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but you did a video about a one-star
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review that you got.
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Doing a video about a one-star review,
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great idea.
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Why?
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Because everybody,
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all they want to do is show their
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five-star review.
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So instantly, it's like,
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this guy is going to like, ooh,
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what happened?
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Ooh, there's intrigue, right?
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And then you went into it,
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and then you paralleled,
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and the back end of the video was
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a five-star review.
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Go ahead.
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I just want to tease another topic,
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if we have time, that I'm currently,
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like yesterday,
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I was almost on Zoom for eight hours
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teaching and mentoring my two,
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potential two new virtual assistants to
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answer our phone calls at Concierge Pain
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Relief.
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There's a lot of pros and cons.
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why we took like an hour break for
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lunch.
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I didn't need a break, but they,
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they need a break.
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And I'm trying to be nice.
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I'm trying to, I'm trying to, you know,
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I can power through, but I'm a maniac.
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So that's a whole other topic because I've
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done the phone calls for concerts
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primarily for so long.
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I've had so much ego and pride around
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being responsive and texting back and
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calling back and all that.
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And I'm, yeah,
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I'm delegating and let it go.
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Oh, oh my gosh.
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uh really some good positives some also
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some wow shocking challenges uh that's
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just another teaser for later today later
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today or next episode yeah yeah so i
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love the video i'll share it in the
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comments you essentially were like we got
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a one even the hook that you had
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i don't remember what it was that made
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me go oh i wonder what's gonna happen
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here and even i know you and i
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think i knew the story but you had
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it on screen you had the image of
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the one star review and
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I loved it.
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Why'd you do it?
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And then I didn't look at the stats,
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but how, how was the reaction?
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Did it, did it drive,
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did it do what you thought it would?
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I mean, I think so in general, our,
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we only have twelve hundred followers on
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the concierge pain relief account.
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Our average views per reel is anywhere
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from,
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it's usually like a thousand to like three
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thousand, four thousand.
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It's more views than followers,
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which like doesn't always make sense.
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so um i have to find the video
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because it was maybe uh two months ago
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or something so i'm looking back um so
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why'd you do it the the reason why
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so we only have we have like seventy
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plus google reviews and i think there's
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two of them that are one star reviews
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and they're both around uh ones are ones
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about payment and insurance and ones
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around uh
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a twenty-five-hour cancellation policy for
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somebody who scheduled four visits and
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no-show two of them.
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We have some people we see for two
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years, Jimmy, by the way,
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who never late cancel.
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See someone for two years,
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they never late cancel.
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See this other younger person,
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they schedule four visits and they miss
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two.
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They're only coming fifty percent of the
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time.
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But somehow it's our fault, right?
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So I still wrote a nice response on
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Google because you want to write a good
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response to
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for potential patients to also see how you
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react and respond.
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Right.
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So, so, so it is, you know,
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the chat GPT professional version of how I
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would respond, not how,
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not how I would respond verbally on this
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podcast, obviously.
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But you, you asked,
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why did I make a video reel showing
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a screenshot of our one-star Google
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review?
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Why did I do that?
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The reason is because there's so much
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boring, normal content out there.
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And my ideas around content now is almost
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like, how could I surprise, I mean,
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it's a small audience, but even Jimmy,
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Tony, how can I post stuff?
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And when I post stuff, it's like,
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it's meant to be surprising or different
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or a different angle or a curve ball.
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What I mean by that is sometimes I've
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posted videos where I'm driving and it's
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like, I have a phone kind of,
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i have the the video recording me and
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i have the lapel mic that you helped
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me get and i'm talking about physical
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therapy manual therapy what like just
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industry topics like that's different and
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then uh dr ethan berger and i'm one
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of my new hires having a catch in
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central park and you can hear the glove
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pop as we're having a catch and one
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of us is closer to the camera one
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of us is further away from the camera
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like that is so different um
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walking and talking on a on a new
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york city street like we had we had
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thai food and i was like joking like
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i was like ah it's like so hot
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spicy we're leaving the restaurant i was
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like oh my god it was great but
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it was really spicy oh my god right
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so i i hanged it up a little
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bit and we're walking and talking and i'm
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giving by the way i don't know if
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you've seen this so i gave like a
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like a dave portnoy like a like a
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like a food review a few like i
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forget like like eight
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or nine out of whatever I gave it.
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And then I did like last week I
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did like a coffee review.
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So Capital One Bank Capital One now has
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these Capital One cafes and they serve and
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they serve coffee.
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And I made a video.
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We actually should have done it at Capital
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One.
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We left and we did it back in
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our clinic.
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um but i did a post where ethan
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was filming me and i was talking about
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the cappuccino and i was basically saying
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like starbucks is in trouble dunkin donuts
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might be in trouble uh this cappuccino
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from capital one cafe is really good with
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a blind taste test i don't know if
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i would tell the difference between a
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capital one cappuccino versus a starbucks
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cappuccino and it's just like it literally
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has nothing to do with physical therapy
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but it's just like trying to like widen
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the net of like the top of the
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funnel and so the point of posting the
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video about the one-star google review
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is one, it's very different.
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two no one i've never seen it so
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some of the stuff i post it's like
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i'm not modeling it elsewhere i'm trying
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to model what i don't see that i
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think would be unique um sometimes the
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stuff that like is a random video uh
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gets more views and some of the things
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were like that particular like the
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one-star google review i was thinking like
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this might get some legs and like maybe
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got a couple thousand so it's still good
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but it wasn't like viral by any means
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but it's like no practices
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post a video about their one star Google
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reviews.
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They don't own it.
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They don't they don't describe it.
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So I knew that just that regardless of
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how many views it gets,
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I know that's going to be different.
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And I kind of want to teach my
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audience that they're never going to know
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what's coming next,
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if that makes sense from us,
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like they're never going to know what type
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of video.
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Sometimes it's clinical exercise videos or
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manual therapy,
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but sometimes it's like joking and having
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fun with one of our therapists.
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And we're talking about
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olympics we're talking about like with the
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olympics and with um with the world cup
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we were doing like like score predictions
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which is like sports and it's kind of
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tied to physical therapy but not really
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like it's totally like it's more like
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current event type stuff but the point is
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anyone who's following i don't want them
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to be like oh it's going it's always
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it's going to be this type of video
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again this type of video again i want
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it to be new and different the funny
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part is i don't know if people think
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that way i know i don't i look
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at what's next
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I mean,
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social media is designed like a deck of
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cards, right?
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You even swipe and you're like,
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I don't know what's next.
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What's this?
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What's this?
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So I think an organization or an account
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having more than one type and pillar and
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conversation and topic is fine.
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I liked your video because it was the
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opposite of what most people try to do.
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Most people try to tell you a story
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about how great they are.
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And you did not tell a story.
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You did storytelling,
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which there's a difference.
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It sounds like I'm just playing with
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words.
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Like telling a story is like I went
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to the conference.
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There were four hundred fifty people
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there.
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The topics were ABC.
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I had fun.
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Storytelling is let me tell you about this
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person that I met that had the most
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amazing spin on their career.
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This woman does this and this and this.
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That's storytelling.
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You took a thing that most people sweep
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under the rug.
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under the rug.
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I've been in Facebook groups where people
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go, hey, how do you get rid of,
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how do you delete one star reviews?
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And you didn't do that.
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You showed it.
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But what you actually showed was how you
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think, how you act,
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not just your response,
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like your actual text response.
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Like, hey, listen,
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We got a one-star review because this
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wasn't clear that we do this,
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everybody else does that.
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Instead of just saying we're different
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because we're one-on-one and we're
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concierge, you're like,
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we're a little different and that didn't
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come off and this person sort of didn't
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get that and that's why we got the
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one-star review and that was right.
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I took your idea out of physical therapy.
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I helped my brother market his
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professional sound company, weddings,
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corporate events, whatever, anything.
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And I created a carousel
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That lists our first review.
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There we go.
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Look at the influence.
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I love it.
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So this first one says, one-star review.
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Amanda, these guys were terrible.
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We spent six hundred dollars on a wedding
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cake and almost nobody touched it.
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Apparently our guests were too busy
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dancing.
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This is what we do.
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You're the wrong customer for us if you
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want boring,
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formal harp classical music in the
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background.
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One-star review.
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Jacob,
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Would not recommend.
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Dance floor was completely overcrowded.
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At one point,
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my eighty two year old grandmother was out
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there.
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Make the invisible visible.
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Make your bed.
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Love it.
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Good.
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Kelsey, one star.
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People wouldn't leave the venue.
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Turn the lights on.
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People kept dancing.
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Whoops.
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But what is this community?
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So I saw your thing and I'm like,
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make the ugly pretty.
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Right.
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Or like if you hate because no,
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no one likes the middle.
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The only way you're going to get popular
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in the middle is if you're Amazon or
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Walmart or Corn Flakes.
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This is the last one I'll show.
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Mike.
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Oh, no, sorry.
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Kelly.
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My one-star review for my wedding.
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My husband disappeared for almost two
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hours at our wedding.
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Found him on the dance floor with all
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his college roommates.
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That's what you want.
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I know you think it's all about
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centerpieces and what appetizers you do,
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but it's not.
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And I was trying to communicate that in
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the same style
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as you did.
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So that was the campaign,
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the Instagram carousel.
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My brother looked at it.
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He's like, why would you...
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He saw the first slide.
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I go,
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why would we show off one-star reviews?
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Do I have one-star reviews?
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I go, scroll to the second one.
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And he's like, ah, got it.
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It's telling you who we're not for.
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It's like the steakhouse who did the
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one-star review and put it on all their
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employees,
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the t-shirts on the back of the t-shirts.
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And it said something like,
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You know, the fish here was terrible.
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It's like, we're a steakhouse.
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You want fish, go down the street.
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Like, you have to have a stand.
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Goes back to, like, why people, I think,
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connect with our show is you got to
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have a stand.
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People, you got to make,
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I don't care what your opinion is,
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but you got to have one.
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And I think that's why,
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I think that's why your,
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that's why your content and particular
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reels stood out to me and why I
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think things cut through noise.
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That's right.
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Tony, how we doing?
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Tony, join.
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Tony Mogul.
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Tony on the road.
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Tony on the go.
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That's right.
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Good.
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I was listening to you guys before I
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got called back for my blood work.
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All right.
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Somehow,
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the microphone is buttery smooth with Tony
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as he's driving,
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so just really impressed with the
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technology this morning.
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Oh, wow.
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It's the iPhone XV Pro or iPhone XVII
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Pro.
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Love it.
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You got to have the air conditioning
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turned off, like no lapel mic, nothing?
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Nothing.
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The doctor's office is across the street
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from my clinic, so...
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I literally,
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I literally just got in the car when
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you guys started and I'm here already.
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I like it.
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All right.
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So Dave, you, uh, sort of, um, uh,
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did like a forward tease to you spent
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eight hours on a zoom call with some
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assistance and virtual assistance.
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You know, what's the goal?
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What do you want these people to do?
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You talked about sort of an emotional
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connection,
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like maybe Dave was white knuckling some
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things.
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Maybe we're getting some blood back in the
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knuckles.
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You're letting some things go,
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which I think usually leads to good
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things.
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It's simple to do.
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It's not easy.
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What's going on there?
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Yeah,
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so using this US based company that finds
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folks in Costa Rica that vets them and
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interviews them to place them virtually as
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the virtual front desk for healthcare
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practices across the US.
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And what they do is they would send
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three video three different email videos
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of like candidates and the candidate
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talking into the camera uh so they sent
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three um i like two of them i
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scheduled two different calls with each of
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them we did like an hour and a
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half this was this was like a month
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ago or something we did like an hour
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and a half interview talk you know just
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like talking and hanging out and like
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obviously interviewing and like
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going through some scripts they would read
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some stuff and all that so it was
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two of these guys and um and they
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live in costa rica and i couldn't like
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i was like i don't like they're both
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great like i for i'm really impressed
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because english is their second language
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they don't have a they don't have a
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significant accent um there's pros and
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cons and these are some things i think
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we'll have to do like another uh maybe
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in three months or six months we'll do
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like another talk or or video about it
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but there's pros and cons around like
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It's less cost for me up front.
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And I am also delegating this.
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And I want to practice and get reps
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of this whole process because I haven't
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fully done it.
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So in the future,
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if these guys don't crush it,
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then maybe we'll just pay more to have
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someone who's Northeast or New York based.
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And maybe they work from home,
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but they're nearby.
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And they know the geography of Manhattan
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and New York City a little bit better.
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So what I'm facing,
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the thing with that is like the starkest
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reality is with trying to teach them they
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have access to go high level.
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So where the leads come in and they
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can do calls out of it and they
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can do text and emails out of it
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through our six four six New York City
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local area code number.
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So it looks like a local person.
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uh local office and they have access to
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our medical records so they're learning
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that like how to schedule a patient and
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how to input all the pieces of like
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the contact information that we need like
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date of birth street address phone number
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um email address patient's first and last
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name obviously all that type of stuff the
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the biggest thing that i uh knew about
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recently but i it's like until you're
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really in it you don't realize it is
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the logistical challenge of not just
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scheduling uh you're on the phone with a
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new patient and it's like hey is this
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for our midtown manhattan office or a home
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visit and then it's like if they won't
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they say home visit where we're still
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mostly home visits um
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Then the person who's in Costa Rica also
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has to pull up Google Maps and say,
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okay, let's see.
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There's a patient, Marie, at two p.m.
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And what's her street address?
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And then if you want a time before
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two p.m.,
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it needs to be twelve thirty to one
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thirty so that there's like a twenty three
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to thirty minute gap with commuting or
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walking, depending on location.
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Right.
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not only do they have to use go
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high level for the phone call and to
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capture the lead and it records the phone
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call for quality assurance and training,
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all that type of stuff, which is cool.
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They're in our medical record as well.
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And then they also will need just
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traditional Google maps.
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And that's a lot of what we covered
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yesterday.
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And to say it out loud,
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doesn't sound that it's like, yeah, okay.
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That makes sense.
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Like I think most people,
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if they use Google maps or whatever,
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like Apple maps, like it makes sense.
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Um,
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But if you're trying to teach that
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logistically over a video call,
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it's challenging.
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And I'll kick it back over to you
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guys.
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But the one thing what happened was I
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used someone from my network.
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So they knew it was a mock call
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yesterday.
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One of them did like a mock call
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to call this number.
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And it was, you know,
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it's like it's like a call.
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like a family member so i was like
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it's a mock call but they were still
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kind of like nervous and it was good
00:24:22.924 --> 00:24:25.266
because it was one virtual assistant was
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doing the call the other virtual assistant
00:24:26.846 --> 00:24:28.567
was watching and i'm watching so i'm
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watching and listening how this goes and
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the virtual assistant that was doing the
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call did a pretty good job with the
00:24:34.711 --> 00:24:34.911
call
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then booked like here's a slot that was
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already taken and then booked this patient
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right on top and both of these were
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home visits in two different areas so it's
00:24:42.786 --> 00:24:44.445
like so then we had to like that
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was one of the things we reviewed after
00:24:46.086 --> 00:24:48.166
the call which was like hey like check
00:24:48.186 --> 00:24:50.166
this person's street address in google
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maps okay now map it with the street
00:24:51.627 --> 00:24:55.248
address and and he's like oh there's i
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didn't give like a commute time or
00:24:56.769 --> 00:24:58.608
whatever sorry so it's like it's like oh
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my gosh like um again pros and cons
00:25:01.568 --> 00:25:02.769
it would be easier if it was someone
00:25:03.029 --> 00:25:04.529
local um but
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We're getting through it and it's a
00:25:09.247 --> 00:25:09.826
process.
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And right after this,
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I'm going to be back on Zoom with
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them as much support and coaching and
00:25:16.729 --> 00:25:17.769
mentoring that they need.
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And then we're going to be measuring the
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conversion rates of both of them.
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And I'll probably just take whoever has
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the way better conversion rate.
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And then if they are similar in the
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next
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two three weeks or whatever then um maybe
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i just say to the company like i
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want to use both of them and like
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they alternate days or um it pushes me
00:25:39.922 --> 00:25:41.843
to get more marketing and leads and phone
00:25:41.863 --> 00:25:45.846
calls coming in um to maybe hire both
00:25:45.866 --> 00:25:47.448
of them or keep both of them so
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that's kind of where i'm at that's that's
00:25:49.911 --> 00:25:52.673
the stuff that i get excited about like
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i love doing that drill
00:25:56.451 --> 00:25:59.294
I love taking the opportunity to like see
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the system,
00:26:00.694 --> 00:26:02.497
figure out where the gaps are in the
00:26:02.537 --> 00:26:03.057
system.
00:26:03.137 --> 00:26:03.798
So like you said,
00:26:04.278 --> 00:26:05.619
maybe it's something you're not thinking
00:26:05.660 --> 00:26:07.561
about that like, oh yeah,
00:26:07.701 --> 00:26:11.046
I need to work in the time differential
00:26:11.105 --> 00:26:13.028
for commute time between appointments.
00:26:14.102 --> 00:26:16.623
I feel like when a therapist is sitting
00:26:16.663 --> 00:26:18.964
there working for somebody else treating
00:26:19.005 --> 00:26:21.026
patients and they're like, oh,
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I'm so pissed.
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I got to start my own business.
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They're not excited about that stuff,
00:26:26.709 --> 00:26:27.128
you know,
00:26:27.348 --> 00:26:28.930
and that's the difference between somebody
00:26:28.970 --> 00:26:31.811
who embraces business versus somebody
00:26:31.852 --> 00:26:34.073
who's resentful when they go into business
00:26:34.093 --> 00:26:34.854
for themselves.
00:26:35.314 --> 00:26:35.554
Like,
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I love the logistics of figuring out how
00:26:38.455 --> 00:26:39.756
to make things more efficient.
00:26:39.935 --> 00:26:41.936
I probably like it more than treating
00:26:41.977 --> 00:26:42.438
patients.
00:26:43.218 --> 00:26:45.519
I could sit and work through that drill,
00:26:45.578 --> 00:26:49.162
then figure out how do I operationalize
00:26:49.221 --> 00:26:49.362
it,
00:26:49.781 --> 00:26:53.263
proceduralize it so that I can then teach
00:26:53.364 --> 00:26:56.405
it more consistently to future new hires.
00:26:57.105 --> 00:26:57.445
You know,
00:26:57.486 --> 00:26:59.928
like those to me are the exciting parts
00:26:59.968 --> 00:27:00.647
of business,
00:27:01.228 --> 00:27:02.909
but I still think too many therapists are
00:27:02.949 --> 00:27:03.390
like, no,
00:27:03.410 --> 00:27:04.750
I'm going into business so I can treat
00:27:04.770 --> 00:27:06.491
patients the way I want to treat patients.
00:27:06.751 --> 00:27:07.892
It's not about that.
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Yeah.
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Jimmy, you're muted.
00:27:12.271 --> 00:27:12.412
Sorry.
00:27:18.154 --> 00:27:21.537
Oh, maybe I'm muted.
00:27:21.557 --> 00:27:21.936
Keep going.
00:27:21.977 --> 00:27:22.537
I'm going to reset mine.
00:27:22.596 --> 00:27:28.920
Hey, can you hear me?
00:27:29.660 --> 00:27:30.020
Am I good?
00:27:30.040 --> 00:27:30.221
All right.
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:31.961
Paul chiming in saying learning the art of
00:27:32.021 --> 00:27:34.021
scheduling based on geography and buffer
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time is definitely difficult.
00:27:35.583 --> 00:27:36.523
It is simple to do.
00:27:38.740 --> 00:27:39.921
Simple does not mean easy.
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It's simple because you have a ton of
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context, right?
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I took classes in high school, actually,
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in technical writing.
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And I did it because I was like,
00:27:48.586 --> 00:27:49.686
this looks easy.
00:27:50.027 --> 00:27:51.067
This is a layup course.
00:27:51.367 --> 00:27:51.948
Turned out,
00:27:52.188 --> 00:27:55.950
the first assignment was type out how to
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make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
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Something, I don't know, five,
00:28:00.373 --> 00:28:01.233
six-year-old can do.
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And obviously,
00:28:02.855 --> 00:28:04.035
if you've ever done this exercise,
00:28:04.055 --> 00:28:04.996
it's a great exercise.
00:28:05.776 --> 00:28:07.897
The teacher in high school, Mr. Mooney,
00:28:07.917 --> 00:28:08.498
was awesome.
00:28:09.352 --> 00:28:11.372
He took all of our papers and had
00:28:11.412 --> 00:28:13.192
a jar of peanut butter and jelly and
00:28:13.212 --> 00:28:16.173
bread and did exactly what we said.
00:28:16.252 --> 00:28:17.753
He's like, take the knife.
00:28:17.794 --> 00:28:18.973
And he grabbed the knife and walked out
00:28:19.013 --> 00:28:19.413
of the room.
00:28:19.453 --> 00:28:20.713
I didn't know where to take it.
00:28:20.794 --> 00:28:21.614
You said take the knife.
00:28:22.194 --> 00:28:24.894
So the example there is what you say,
00:28:24.954 --> 00:28:26.914
what someone hears, and what you say,
00:28:26.974 --> 00:28:29.435
what someone understands are wildly
00:28:29.476 --> 00:28:29.836
different.
00:28:29.955 --> 00:28:31.195
And you're highlighting, listen,
00:28:31.236 --> 00:28:32.636
this is someone from a different culture
00:28:33.257 --> 00:28:34.396
who is speaking in their different
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language.
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And the thing that you're asking them to
00:28:37.011 --> 00:28:38.432
do is sort of complicated.
00:28:38.452 --> 00:28:40.294
You know, it's not like to Dave, again,
00:28:40.374 --> 00:28:46.419
this is a leg is fairly easy to
00:28:46.459 --> 00:28:47.779
lock it in.
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:48.119
You know,
00:28:48.140 --> 00:28:49.601
the reason you're spending hours doing
00:28:49.621 --> 00:28:49.780
this,
00:28:49.800 --> 00:28:51.041
if you lock this in and you figure
00:28:51.061 --> 00:28:53.584
it out, it could be a complete lever,
00:28:53.663 --> 00:28:54.124
you know,
00:28:54.163 --> 00:28:56.306
gigantic leverage to not have to do this.
00:28:56.586 --> 00:28:58.326
If you know what's being done, right.
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You can move on to higher level tasks,
00:29:01.068 --> 00:29:02.589
whatever those might be in your business.
00:29:02.609 --> 00:29:03.711
So simple, but not easy.
00:29:04.866 --> 00:29:06.548
you know what i wonder i i know
00:29:06.607 --> 00:29:08.210
i kind of missed some of that conversation
00:29:08.269 --> 00:29:10.531
but talking about virtual assistants and
00:29:10.612 --> 00:29:13.673
outsourcing could somebody is there a
00:29:13.753 --> 00:29:15.976
world where somebody like jimmy and i
00:29:15.996 --> 00:29:17.857
don't know jimmy's exact position right
00:29:17.917 --> 00:29:21.259
now at prompt but like we always you
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:22.862
and i and the three of us think
00:29:22.882 --> 00:29:24.883
about outsourcing like i'm going to hire a
00:29:25.663 --> 00:29:27.444
person to be my virtual reception
00:29:28.226 --> 00:29:31.166
could jimmy hire a virtual assistant to do
00:29:31.227 --> 00:29:34.528
part of his prompt work so that he
00:29:34.548 --> 00:29:38.568
could then you know multiply himself to
00:29:38.648 --> 00:29:41.369
potentially do other things more things we
00:29:41.410 --> 00:29:43.351
know during during covid there are people
00:29:43.391 --> 00:29:45.411
that had two and three virtual jobs that
00:29:45.431 --> 00:29:46.391
nobody knew about like it just makes sense
00:29:46.411 --> 00:29:47.152
did you hear about there was like a
00:29:47.172 --> 00:29:48.632
guy this is years ago this is this
00:29:48.652 --> 00:29:53.493
is more than six seven eight years ago
00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:57.771
before virtual this and virtual that some
00:29:57.811 --> 00:30:01.814
accountant hired some guy from asia to do
00:30:01.854 --> 00:30:03.474
his job and he just paid him a
00:30:03.515 --> 00:30:05.316
percentage of his salary and the guy was
00:30:05.336 --> 00:30:07.757
like so the guy essentially promoted
00:30:07.797 --> 00:30:09.798
himself hired someone under from
00:30:10.077 --> 00:30:11.659
underneath him for a portion of his salary
00:30:11.878 --> 00:30:13.819
and then his job is quality control check
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.320
the guy's work so could i do that
00:30:16.340 --> 00:30:17.701
i mean well you've ruined it for me
00:30:17.721 --> 00:30:19.201
now tony because you know people from work
00:30:19.261 --> 00:30:20.442
and now i can't do it they're gonna
00:30:20.462 --> 00:30:22.683
be looking for that but could you uh
00:30:22.804 --> 00:30:24.424
yeah i mean i guess totally
00:30:25.538 --> 00:30:26.980
But aren't you always trying to do that?
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.103
You're always trying to figure out how to
00:30:29.123 --> 00:30:31.144
make your job so optimized that hopefully
00:30:31.164 --> 00:30:32.547
you get promoted.
00:30:33.989 --> 00:30:35.691
You never want to get stuck where
00:30:36.310 --> 00:30:37.392
No, you do?
00:30:37.412 --> 00:30:37.892
I don't know.
00:30:38.491 --> 00:30:39.792
I think we do.
00:30:40.292 --> 00:30:41.574
We've said this before.
00:30:41.594 --> 00:30:42.894
As an entrepreneur,
00:30:43.055 --> 00:30:45.415
I am constantly on the search to put
00:30:45.457 --> 00:30:47.758
myself out of a job because I want
00:30:47.798 --> 00:30:48.999
to replace myself.
00:30:49.419 --> 00:30:51.640
But what we've seen with AI more than
00:30:51.819 --> 00:30:55.321
ever before is the fear of replacement.
00:30:55.342 --> 00:30:57.403
There are people who are viciously
00:30:57.483 --> 00:30:59.585
fighting to protect the job they have,
00:30:59.904 --> 00:31:01.526
to stay in the place they have,
00:31:01.605 --> 00:31:03.326
not to improve, not to move on,
00:31:03.406 --> 00:31:04.327
not to develop.
00:31:05.147 --> 00:31:07.229
and it's it's hard for i think us
00:31:07.249 --> 00:31:10.790
to understand but there's a threat to that
00:31:10.851 --> 00:31:12.570
this is the identity of a lot of
00:31:12.611 --> 00:31:13.951
people and they're like well what do i
00:31:13.991 --> 00:31:16.232
do if i don't do this that's the
00:31:16.272 --> 00:31:20.134
word is identity that's the word if this
00:31:20.414 --> 00:31:22.615
i've seen people over complicate a process
00:31:22.635 --> 00:31:23.976
and i don't know if they're consciously or
00:31:24.016 --> 00:31:27.557
subconsciously doing it defensively well
00:31:27.798 --> 00:31:29.699
only i can do this and i'm like
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:30.739
if i watch you do it for
00:31:31.068 --> 00:31:31.809
eight hours,
00:31:31.849 --> 00:31:32.951
you're telling me I couldn't figure,
00:31:32.990 --> 00:31:34.692
you are, what are you, a rocket scientist?
00:31:34.711 --> 00:31:34.872
I mean,
00:31:35.452 --> 00:31:37.074
even rocket scientists follow formulas,
00:31:37.134 --> 00:31:39.895
so like, right, it's identity and fear,
00:31:40.517 --> 00:31:42.357
and if you're clinging to that, guys,
00:31:42.518 --> 00:31:45.441
I got toll booth operators, and I've got,
00:31:45.540 --> 00:31:49.703
you know, town criers, elevator operators,
00:31:49.784 --> 00:31:51.465
there used to be someone who stood in
00:31:51.486 --> 00:31:53.207
an elevator with a handle going up and
00:31:53.227 --> 00:31:55.669
down, and you said, third floor,
00:31:55.709 --> 00:31:57.170
children's toys, automotive,
00:31:57.230 --> 00:31:58.791
and they went up, that was their job,
00:31:58.811 --> 00:31:59.652
they knew where stuff was,
00:31:59.672 --> 00:32:00.292
they brought you there,
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:06.324
That has been replaced by a sign and
00:32:06.344 --> 00:32:06.604
a button.
00:32:06.624 --> 00:32:07.865
Don't be the elevator operator.
00:32:07.904 --> 00:32:09.385
Luckily for my physical therapist,
00:32:09.786 --> 00:32:11.326
obviously when they're treating patients,
00:32:11.586 --> 00:32:12.548
they can't outsource that.
00:32:12.567 --> 00:32:14.469
They can't have some virtual assistant
00:32:14.509 --> 00:32:15.229
helping with that,
00:32:16.490 --> 00:32:19.172
which is a good reminder because probably
00:32:19.211 --> 00:32:20.532
the start of this year, maybe last year,
00:32:20.553 --> 00:32:21.212
at the end of last year,
00:32:21.732 --> 00:32:23.013
I started having my therapist,
00:32:23.354 --> 00:32:25.195
obviously if they're full-time, with us.
00:32:26.076 --> 00:32:28.396
that they sign a no moonlighting,
00:32:28.717 --> 00:32:30.317
basically like it spells out every
00:32:30.377 --> 00:32:31.317
possible, you know,
00:32:31.377 --> 00:32:33.558
virtual and in-person and consulting and
00:32:33.598 --> 00:32:35.160
coaching and counseling and every type of
00:32:35.180 --> 00:32:37.861
word, PT, wellness, health and wellness,
00:32:37.941 --> 00:32:40.122
personal training, you know, any type of,
00:32:41.021 --> 00:32:42.902
treatment or anything adjacent or
00:32:42.961 --> 00:32:45.002
alternative to what we do, uh,
00:32:45.022 --> 00:32:46.643
that they cannot do it.
00:32:46.962 --> 00:32:48.124
So it's, I want them all.
00:32:48.243 --> 00:32:48.544
I want them.
00:32:49.023 --> 00:32:50.144
I want them because I want them to
00:32:50.163 --> 00:32:50.963
be all in with me.
00:32:51.104 --> 00:32:52.825
And because the base salary and the weekly
00:32:52.884 --> 00:32:55.105
performance pay allows them to make a lot
00:32:55.125 --> 00:32:56.826
of money with us so much so that
00:32:56.846 --> 00:32:58.605
they shouldn't need a second job or a
00:32:58.665 --> 00:32:59.205
third job.
00:32:59.465 --> 00:33:00.546
I don't want them to go work for
00:33:00.626 --> 00:33:04.707
Luna or Kins or any other part-time job
00:33:04.727 --> 00:33:05.067
or whatever.
00:33:05.147 --> 00:33:06.488
I want them to be during the
00:33:07.268 --> 00:33:09.849
during the work hours all in on us
00:33:10.550 --> 00:33:12.112
and then sometimes there is still some
00:33:12.132 --> 00:33:14.693
things that they do outside of uh the
00:33:14.733 --> 00:33:16.615
work hours like whether even if even
00:33:16.654 --> 00:33:18.115
they're not responding to emails but we're
00:33:18.155 --> 00:33:19.517
sending them emails or we're sending them
00:33:19.958 --> 00:33:22.440
updates on what's going on with the next
00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:23.721
couple patients that we're booking for
00:33:23.740 --> 00:33:23.901
them
00:33:24.441 --> 00:33:25.701
Or if there's any issues with current
00:33:25.721 --> 00:33:27.622
patients or whatever it might be.
00:33:28.102 --> 00:33:29.962
So that's maybe not for everyone.
00:33:30.063 --> 00:33:32.144
I could see some owners not wanting to
00:33:32.163 --> 00:33:32.503
do that.
00:33:33.443 --> 00:33:34.204
But we've done it.
00:33:34.785 --> 00:33:36.464
And I think it only makes sense for
00:33:36.565 --> 00:33:36.684
us.
00:33:36.724 --> 00:33:38.086
Just, I don't know, maybe it's my style.
00:33:38.105 --> 00:33:39.205
Maybe it's what we offer.
00:33:39.586 --> 00:33:40.866
But if you want to make more and
00:33:40.886 --> 00:33:41.606
treat less,
00:33:42.907 --> 00:33:44.407
the only catch is no moonlighting
00:33:44.468 --> 00:33:44.788
elsewhere.
00:33:44.827 --> 00:33:46.528
Tony, what do you think about that?
00:33:47.790 --> 00:33:50.256
I don't think you can legislate that.
00:33:50.415 --> 00:33:52.378
I think it has to be something they
00:33:52.419 --> 00:33:53.040
want to do.
00:33:53.902 --> 00:33:55.965
And we've always taken the opposite end of
00:33:56.026 --> 00:33:57.087
that bargain.
00:33:57.147 --> 00:33:58.088
We've always said,
00:33:59.423 --> 00:34:01.124
If you find something better, go do it.
00:34:01.724 --> 00:34:05.907
If you wanna pick up PRN because it's
00:34:05.948 --> 00:34:07.528
paying twenty bucks an hour more,
00:34:07.909 --> 00:34:08.449
go do it.
00:34:08.690 --> 00:34:11.552
I will work around that if whenever you're
00:34:11.572 --> 00:34:12.211
ready to leave.
00:34:12.231 --> 00:34:13.813
And I've shared the story with you guys
00:34:13.833 --> 00:34:14.594
that one of my,
00:34:14.713 --> 00:34:16.835
the guy that was running my main clinic,
00:34:16.894 --> 00:34:18.356
my biggest, most profitable,
00:34:18.416 --> 00:34:19.577
most successful clinic,
00:34:20.257 --> 00:34:22.458
he opened his own clinic half a mile
00:34:22.498 --> 00:34:23.099
down the street.
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:24.661
He, you know,
00:34:25.081 --> 00:34:27.442
and more power to him like that.
00:34:28.103 --> 00:34:31.284
I knew that he didn't have the advantages
00:34:31.324 --> 00:34:31.945
that I had.
00:34:32.605 --> 00:34:34.226
So it was going to be an uphill
00:34:34.266 --> 00:34:35.126
battle for him.
00:34:35.286 --> 00:34:36.367
I was not concerned.
00:34:36.407 --> 00:34:39.349
We went through a blip on the radar
00:34:39.409 --> 00:34:41.949
in regards to lost a bunch of referrals,
00:34:42.471 --> 00:34:43.871
but then built it back up,
00:34:44.612 --> 00:34:46.293
obviously lost our lead clinician,
00:34:46.333 --> 00:34:47.733
but then found a replacement.
00:34:48.637 --> 00:34:49.057
So I mean,
00:34:50.139 --> 00:34:54.059
I just can't imagine somebody signing a
00:34:54.139 --> 00:34:55.360
document that says,
00:34:55.581 --> 00:34:57.820
I won't do these other things.
00:34:58.862 --> 00:35:00.382
I can see somebody who doesn't want to
00:35:00.422 --> 00:35:02.563
do those other things working for you.
00:35:03.342 --> 00:35:05.264
I just don't think you can force them
00:35:05.344 --> 00:35:05.684
into it.
00:35:05.724 --> 00:35:07.925
And then you go through, okay,
00:35:07.965 --> 00:35:09.125
so then what?
00:35:09.204 --> 00:35:10.826
If they don't follow the rules,
00:35:10.865 --> 00:35:11.766
am I going to sue them?
00:35:11.846 --> 00:35:13.007
Am I going to pursue this?
00:35:13.027 --> 00:35:14.907
Who's going to win in that situation other
00:35:14.947 --> 00:35:15.788
than the lawyers?
00:35:16.688 --> 00:35:18.929
uh to me it just not something in
00:35:18.969 --> 00:35:20.849
my nature let me let me let me
00:35:20.929 --> 00:35:23.509
ask this question back to dave in dave's
00:35:23.608 --> 00:35:27.710
native language dave you run you run the
00:35:27.730 --> 00:35:30.690
philadelphia phillies you got a stud are
00:35:30.710 --> 00:35:32.371
they allowed to play in the olympics can
00:35:32.391 --> 00:35:34.251
they go play in the world baseball classic
00:35:34.492 --> 00:35:36.172
why can't and why can't they wouldn't that
00:35:36.192 --> 00:35:39.532
be isn't your job to make them better
00:35:39.853 --> 00:35:42.992
and and make sure that with you they
00:35:43.072 --> 00:35:45.213
understand is the place that they get get
00:35:45.253 --> 00:35:46.253
better in all the ways that
00:35:46.496 --> 00:35:50.077
Your value is not just you know how
00:35:50.097 --> 00:35:51.516
to run Google ads or you know how
00:35:51.536 --> 00:35:53.038
to run Facebook ads and you hand them
00:35:53.577 --> 00:35:54.697
good patients, right?
00:35:54.717 --> 00:35:55.938
Your job is to make them better.
00:35:56.278 --> 00:35:58.559
And wouldn't doing stuff outside of this,
00:35:58.659 --> 00:36:01.079
if they wanted to, I don't have to,
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:01.860
wouldn't that,
00:36:03.340 --> 00:36:05.061
couldn't that open up possibilities?
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:06.521
I'll give you a final example.
00:36:06.701 --> 00:36:08.121
Every job I've ever gotten,
00:36:08.541 --> 00:36:09.362
including this one,
00:36:09.661 --> 00:36:12.043
has come from doing this stuff.
00:36:12.242 --> 00:36:14.244
And my one stipulation is I don't have
00:36:14.264 --> 00:36:15.643
to give up the podcast or a live
00:36:15.684 --> 00:36:15.903
stream.
00:36:16.974 --> 00:36:19.614
when I take a full-time job.
00:36:19.635 --> 00:36:20.396
I love you, Jimmy.
00:36:20.735 --> 00:36:23.117
It's a great comparison or analogy,
00:36:23.396 --> 00:36:28.498
but it's actually terrible because the GM
00:36:28.518 --> 00:36:30.599
and the owners of the Philadelphia
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.619
Phillies don't want Bryce Harper to go
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:33.179
play All-Star.
00:36:34.900 --> 00:36:35.800
They don't want him to play in the
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:37.262
Olympics or the World Baseball Classic or
00:36:37.282 --> 00:36:39.583
anything because the risk of him being
00:36:39.663 --> 00:36:41.023
hurt outside of wearing a Phillies
00:36:41.083 --> 00:36:41.483
uniform.
00:36:42.063 --> 00:36:43.103
Same thing.
00:36:43.344 --> 00:36:44.804
The Yankees don't want Aaron Judge to play
00:36:44.864 --> 00:36:46.844
in the World Baseball Classic.
00:36:46.864 --> 00:36:48.385
Would it be good for that star and
00:36:48.485 --> 00:36:49.445
their own brand?
00:36:49.505 --> 00:36:50.047
Yes, of course.
00:36:50.067 --> 00:36:51.527
Will they make more brand deals because of
00:36:51.567 --> 00:36:52.628
playing in the World Baseball Classic,
00:36:52.987 --> 00:36:54.228
in the Olympics, or anything else?
00:36:54.728 --> 00:36:57.768
Or any other new tournament that they ever
00:36:57.809 --> 00:36:58.030
make?
00:36:58.489 --> 00:36:59.349
Yes, that's best.
00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:01.110
That is better for the...
00:37:02.110 --> 00:37:05.532
individual star athlete but the decision
00:37:05.552 --> 00:37:07.793
makers that are in so i'm in this
00:37:07.833 --> 00:37:09.713
analogy that you proposed like i'm either
00:37:09.753 --> 00:37:11.134
the gm or the owner of like the
00:37:11.173 --> 00:37:13.353
sports team and you're saying wouldn't i
00:37:13.434 --> 00:37:16.175
want my star player to go play for
00:37:16.195 --> 00:37:18.255
somewhere else okay so what were you
00:37:18.275 --> 00:37:19.956
saying what i'm saying is they do it
00:37:19.976 --> 00:37:21.835
because the because the players are like
00:37:21.896 --> 00:37:24.416
the players are in charge you work for
00:37:24.476 --> 00:37:26.677
them right but the player
00:37:27.898 --> 00:37:27.998
Yeah,
00:37:28.018 --> 00:37:30.159
but the player signs a contract and it's
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:31.298
like a bunch of things of like,
00:37:31.338 --> 00:37:33.579
if you get hurt while riding a quad
00:37:33.659 --> 00:37:35.800
or, you know, flying a hang glider,
00:37:36.081 --> 00:37:37.820
like your contract could be null and void.
00:37:38.742 --> 00:37:39.922
So there's conditions around it.
00:37:39.981 --> 00:37:41.322
And one of the conditions for us is
00:37:41.563 --> 00:37:42.023
you can't worry.
00:37:42.043 --> 00:37:43.543
Are you worried they're going to get
00:37:43.563 --> 00:37:43.802
injured?
00:37:45.784 --> 00:37:45.824
No.
00:37:46.456 --> 00:37:47.036
No, I'm worried.
00:37:47.137 --> 00:37:47.617
I'm worried.
00:37:47.898 --> 00:37:49.498
I'm worried that when we get a new
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.280
patient like yesterday, this happened.
00:37:52.641 --> 00:37:54.661
We got a new patient from from Atria,
00:37:54.902 --> 00:37:57.543
which is like the most expensive concierge
00:37:57.563 --> 00:37:58.003
practice.
00:37:58.804 --> 00:38:00.364
And we tried to fit them in.
00:38:01.085 --> 00:38:01.365
Actually,
00:38:01.666 --> 00:38:03.507
we had a time either three thirty p.m.
00:38:03.527 --> 00:38:05.327
with with Ethan or six p.m..
00:38:05.728 --> 00:38:07.730
Turns out they chose one thirty.
00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:10.871
p.m today but we would not have been
00:38:10.911 --> 00:38:13.193
able to fit someone in with a part-time
00:38:13.213 --> 00:38:14.375
therapist or someone who was also
00:38:14.454 --> 00:38:16.637
moonlighting elsewhere that therapist dr
00:38:16.697 --> 00:38:19.018
ethan berger who's full-time with us would
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.760
not have the he had someone else at
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:23.603
like four thirty or something but in terms
00:38:23.643 --> 00:38:26.125
of a home visit he was open and
00:38:26.164 --> 00:38:28.005
willing to see this new person because he
00:38:28.025 --> 00:38:29.668
knows how important it is to me and
00:38:29.708 --> 00:38:30.407
the practice to
00:38:31.168 --> 00:38:32.909
Accept an onboard, a new referral,
00:38:32.989 --> 00:38:35.172
especially when it's from Atria because
00:38:35.192 --> 00:38:36.373
it's one hundred twenty thousand dollars
00:38:36.393 --> 00:38:36.813
to join.
00:38:36.853 --> 00:38:39.315
And these people are our ideal clients.
00:38:39.335 --> 00:38:40.596
Yeah, totally.
00:38:40.615 --> 00:38:42.817
So he he agreed verbally.
00:38:42.856 --> 00:38:44.918
He's like, I could do now like three,
00:38:44.938 --> 00:38:46.940
three thirty or I have this other guy
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:48.360
and then I could come back and see
00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:49.161
them at six p.m.
00:38:49.943 --> 00:38:52.684
And so if someone was working last night,
00:38:52.724 --> 00:38:54.726
last evening, somewhere else part time,
00:38:55.326 --> 00:38:56.746
that slot would not have been open.
00:38:57.047 --> 00:38:58.889
But it was open because he's all in
00:38:58.909 --> 00:38:59.929
and committed with us.
00:39:00.963 --> 00:39:02.945
So to me, I agree with you now.
00:39:02.965 --> 00:39:03.746
There's a hierarchy.
00:39:03.846 --> 00:39:05.387
It's nine thirteen a.m.
00:39:05.766 --> 00:39:07.248
Technically, the workday has started.
00:39:07.288 --> 00:39:08.889
So Jimmy's full time job is now.
00:39:08.949 --> 00:39:10.530
But I said, listen,
00:39:10.710 --> 00:39:11.992
on days we do live streams,
00:39:12.132 --> 00:39:13.793
I start early and they know I work
00:39:13.833 --> 00:39:14.373
late anyway.
00:39:14.634 --> 00:39:15.976
And they see an alignment between what I
00:39:16.016 --> 00:39:17.936
do here for prom to being in front
00:39:17.976 --> 00:39:18.356
of people.
00:39:18.597 --> 00:39:19.338
So I agree with you.
00:39:19.617 --> 00:39:20.798
If you if you say I'm going to
00:39:20.818 --> 00:39:22.081
play one hundred and sixty two games a
00:39:22.121 --> 00:39:23.161
year and you're like,
00:39:23.240 --> 00:39:24.461
I'm going to dip out in the middle
00:39:24.603 --> 00:39:25.844
to go play in this other thing.
00:39:26.324 --> 00:39:26.985
No, no good.
00:39:27.085 --> 00:39:27.545
Red flag.
00:39:28.083 --> 00:39:30.065
But if there's things that fit outside,
00:39:30.125 --> 00:39:31.085
would that be okay?
00:39:31.126 --> 00:39:32.507
Like what Tony's saying,
00:39:33.507 --> 00:39:37.032
if I don't work Saturdays normally or
00:39:37.092 --> 00:39:37.592
Sundays,
00:39:37.992 --> 00:39:40.114
would that be okay or is that not?
00:39:40.255 --> 00:39:41.976
And if so or not, why?
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:45.880
They're not working elsewhere on the
00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:46.300
weekends.
00:39:48.161 --> 00:39:50.143
We have weekend opportunities.
00:39:51.088 --> 00:39:53.090
all the time and that a lot of
00:39:53.110 --> 00:39:55.112
the therapists are either out of the city
00:39:55.172 --> 00:39:56.773
at that time when the when the when
00:39:56.793 --> 00:39:59.335
the request comes in like saturday morning
00:39:59.355 --> 00:40:00.835
or sunday morning and the request comes in
00:40:01.175 --> 00:40:03.177
and then i'll text it to my therapist
00:40:03.197 --> 00:40:04.657
or email it to them or whatever and
00:40:04.677 --> 00:40:05.918
they're like out of the city or they're
00:40:05.938 --> 00:40:07.739
already busy and that's fine or they're
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:08.920
you know a couple there are a couple
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.601
mimosas deep and obviously they're not
00:40:10.621 --> 00:40:11.882
gonna they're not gonna go and treat a
00:40:11.922 --> 00:40:15.865
friend right so sometimes sometimes
00:40:16.085 --> 00:40:18.967
logistically it just doesn't work out um
00:40:19.708 --> 00:40:21.228
historically i was the one that would go
00:40:21.449 --> 00:40:23.028
obviously and do the weekend visits and i
00:40:23.048 --> 00:40:24.768
don't want to do that anymore and so
00:40:25.030 --> 00:40:26.989
sometimes the weekend visits just don't
00:40:27.269 --> 00:40:30.971
occur but they don't occur because they're
00:40:30.990 --> 00:40:32.552
already busy and they didn't have it on
00:40:32.572 --> 00:40:34.791
their schedule and it's like a all of
00:40:34.811 --> 00:40:37.932
a sudden it's like a a prompt request
00:40:38.032 --> 00:40:40.414
for this new patient uh on a weekend
00:40:40.954 --> 00:40:41.173
but
00:40:43.510 --> 00:40:44.512
And if they do it,
00:40:44.592 --> 00:40:45.713
they get a little bit more of a
00:40:45.753 --> 00:40:46.934
bonus, and that's totally up to them.
00:40:46.974 --> 00:40:48.295
It's voluntary for them to say yes or
00:40:48.335 --> 00:40:50.177
no for weekends to work with any of
00:40:50.197 --> 00:40:51.079
these weekend patients.
00:40:52.561 --> 00:40:54.242
But no, it's no moonlighting,
00:40:54.922 --> 00:40:56.025
early mornings, late evenings,
00:40:56.045 --> 00:40:56.505
or weekends.
00:40:57.445 --> 00:40:58.507
Now, full disclosure,
00:40:59.208 --> 00:41:01.369
I'm not the saint that I portray.
00:41:02.871 --> 00:41:04.452
I'm not paying as much as Dave is
00:41:04.492 --> 00:41:04.813
paying.
00:41:05.538 --> 00:41:07.840
I don't have, you know, to me,
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.442
it's an advantage for somebody to go do
00:41:10.501 --> 00:41:12.202
something else because I save on the
00:41:12.242 --> 00:41:15.106
payroll and I'll book them up when they're
00:41:15.126 --> 00:41:15.826
working for me.
00:41:16.947 --> 00:41:20.389
So I can get a lower cost employee,
00:41:20.909 --> 00:41:22.972
give them the freedom to go work at
00:41:23.032 --> 00:41:25.313
PRN or something like that for forty
00:41:25.353 --> 00:41:26.275
percent more.
00:41:26.735 --> 00:41:27.775
They make more money.
00:41:27.996 --> 00:41:29.657
I save more money and we're going to
00:41:29.677 --> 00:41:31.199
see the same volume of patients.
00:41:31.699 --> 00:41:32.699
Plus, again,
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.641
I have the competitive advantage of
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.501
you know there's a fear of okay this
00:41:37.521 --> 00:41:39.202
person's going to build up a caseload go
00:41:39.222 --> 00:41:41.625
take them go do their own business and
00:41:41.664 --> 00:41:44.666
i just lost all of those patients no
00:41:44.706 --> 00:41:47.188
because they can't like i have the
00:41:47.248 --> 00:41:49.952
competitive advantage that i've got the
00:41:49.992 --> 00:41:51.813
equipment i've got the space i've got the
00:41:51.853 --> 00:41:54.394
geography i've got the referrals somebody
00:41:54.474 --> 00:41:57.277
even working for me for ten years
00:41:57.918 --> 00:42:00.318
can't just take all of that and go
00:42:00.378 --> 00:42:02.601
do it on their own they're starting back
00:42:02.641 --> 00:42:04.822
from zero even if they have the patients
00:42:04.842 --> 00:42:07.003
who want to work with them they don't
00:42:07.043 --> 00:42:09.925
have the infrastructure that i have even
00:42:09.965 --> 00:42:12.085
if they build it they can't build it
00:42:12.226 --> 00:42:14.188
for what i am paying for it because
00:42:14.307 --> 00:42:16.188
i built mine twenty years ago it's so
00:42:16.268 --> 00:42:19.510
cheap in today's dollars so like
00:42:20.130 --> 00:42:20.731
Dave,
00:42:21.311 --> 00:42:23.072
one of his people could absolutely walk
00:42:23.112 --> 00:42:25.311
away tomorrow with his best clients and
00:42:25.452 --> 00:42:27.271
you know, he's lost everything.
00:42:27.913 --> 00:42:28.992
They can't do that to me.
00:42:29.072 --> 00:42:30.652
So I could look like the hero and
00:42:30.672 --> 00:42:31.393
be like, Oh,
00:42:31.572 --> 00:42:33.514
I would never make you sign a non-compete.
00:42:33.653 --> 00:42:35.514
I can't believe the owners who would make
00:42:35.534 --> 00:42:36.134
you do that.
00:42:36.733 --> 00:42:36.873
Yeah.
00:42:36.893 --> 00:42:39.315
Because I know that I know that there
00:42:39.335 --> 00:42:40.494
is nothing you could do about it.
00:42:41.394 --> 00:42:41.974
Here we go.
00:42:42.476 --> 00:42:44.195
I don't make people sign a non-compete
00:42:44.255 --> 00:42:44.436
either.
00:42:44.456 --> 00:42:46.115
Okay.
00:42:46.556 --> 00:42:49.757
So what is the conversation around?
00:42:52.614 --> 00:42:53.713
the guardrails, what's on?
00:42:53.735 --> 00:42:54.034
So, I mean,
00:42:54.175 --> 00:42:55.894
there's obviously like a no solicitation
00:42:56.396 --> 00:42:58.356
of patients or referral sources or
00:42:58.376 --> 00:42:59.976
whatever, although those are like,
00:43:00.016 --> 00:43:01.478
obviously the referral sources can kind of
00:43:01.518 --> 00:43:02.777
be fair game or whatever, right?
00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:04.318
In the public domain.
00:43:05.980 --> 00:43:08.521
But in terms of patients or clients that
00:43:09.201 --> 00:43:10.322
are introduced to them through our
00:43:10.382 --> 00:43:11.661
practice, that's part of like,
00:43:11.702 --> 00:43:13.083
I forget if it's three years or five
00:43:13.103 --> 00:43:14.983
years or one year or whatever after
00:43:15.143 --> 00:43:17.925
leaving, but there is a non-solicitation.
00:43:18.505 --> 00:43:20.387
Sometimes therapists have brought patients
00:43:20.427 --> 00:43:22.590
to us through their network.
00:43:22.771 --> 00:43:22.931
Right.
00:43:22.972 --> 00:43:24.353
And then, so then when they leave,
00:43:24.934 --> 00:43:25.335
we have,
00:43:25.396 --> 00:43:26.858
I don't think it's in any agreement,
00:43:26.938 --> 00:43:28.579
but we have like a handshake and a
00:43:28.621 --> 00:43:29.501
gentleman's agreement that,
00:43:29.976 --> 00:43:32.717
If they brought patients in and we charge
00:43:32.737 --> 00:43:33.177
their credit card,
00:43:33.197 --> 00:43:34.739
we handle the receipts and all that,
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:38.039
then when they leave, you take, please,
00:43:38.139 --> 00:43:39.780
you take your patients that you originally
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.260
brought onto our platform and that we
00:43:42.340 --> 00:43:42.661
build.
00:43:43.521 --> 00:43:44.001
And that's fine.
00:43:44.141 --> 00:43:45.101
I'm not going to fight that.
00:43:45.342 --> 00:43:47.003
Those patients love that therapist and
00:43:47.063 --> 00:43:48.623
they only want to be with that therapist
00:43:48.663 --> 00:43:49.063
anyway.
00:43:50.043 --> 00:43:52.445
So I don't have any leverage there anyway.
00:43:52.485 --> 00:43:54.085
So it's like, yeah, cool, totally fine.
00:43:54.425 --> 00:43:56.465
But then all the... Because also,
00:43:56.505 --> 00:43:56.806
by the way,
00:43:56.846 --> 00:43:58.246
we're going through this right now because
00:43:58.567 --> 00:43:58.987
I mentioned...
00:43:59.806 --> 00:44:02.090
One of my therapists is had resigned and
00:44:02.130 --> 00:44:04.012
he's finishing up this week, this Friday,
00:44:04.032 --> 00:44:05.014
the twenty eighth.
00:44:05.534 --> 00:44:06.956
And so last week and this week,
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:09.780
Ethan is doing some shadowing with that
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.865
therapist so that that way next week.
00:44:14.291 --> 00:44:15.494
Ethan will just continue with some of
00:44:15.514 --> 00:44:16.894
these patients or Crystal,
00:44:16.914 --> 00:44:18.137
who starts hopefully on Monday,
00:44:18.918 --> 00:44:21.501
as we talked about and agreed to,
00:44:22.061 --> 00:44:24.103
that those patients will have continuity
00:44:24.123 --> 00:44:26.306
of care and continue with us,
00:44:26.967 --> 00:44:28.809
even though that therapist is gone.
00:44:28.909 --> 00:44:29.809
So those are all the patients that
00:44:29.849 --> 00:44:31.833
obviously came through our network,
00:44:31.853 --> 00:44:33.514
relationships, our marketing, all that.
00:44:35.255 --> 00:44:35.436
All right,
00:44:35.456 --> 00:44:37.237
we've got about ten minutes left.
00:44:37.356 --> 00:44:38.817
I think I kicked this to you guys
00:44:39.458 --> 00:44:40.358
in the group chat.
00:44:40.378 --> 00:44:41.639
I don't know if you guys responded,
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:42.958
because I usually just fling things in the
00:44:42.978 --> 00:44:44.260
group chat, and then they just go away.
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.300
But the idea was, we've done this before,
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:50.621
a six-pack format or a twelve-pack format.
00:44:51.081 --> 00:44:54.623
One sort of idea, and then we separately,
00:44:54.684 --> 00:44:55.264
privately,
00:44:55.583 --> 00:44:57.724
will bring answers to answer that
00:44:57.764 --> 00:44:58.284
question.
00:44:58.684 --> 00:45:00.146
And the one that I came up with
00:45:00.405 --> 00:45:00.905
was,
00:45:01.646 --> 00:45:02.547
who are the people
00:45:03.411 --> 00:45:04.172
in your neighborhood.
00:45:04.371 --> 00:45:05.612
I can almost hear that children's song.
00:45:05.652 --> 00:45:07.193
Who are the people in your neighborhood?
00:45:07.333 --> 00:45:08.114
In your neighborhood.
00:45:08.914 --> 00:45:10.394
Who are the people in your network,
00:45:10.434 --> 00:45:11.076
in your neighborhood,
00:45:11.115 --> 00:45:13.396
in your community that you should be
00:45:13.436 --> 00:45:14.958
building relationships for referral
00:45:14.998 --> 00:45:15.599
sources?
00:45:16.659 --> 00:45:17.920
And I almost wanted to do it in
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:21.862
that sort of Instagram real style of like
00:45:21.902 --> 00:45:22.682
a draft board.
00:45:22.802 --> 00:45:23.983
Now that we're getting into football
00:45:24.003 --> 00:45:24.543
season.
00:45:24.864 --> 00:45:26.525
If one of us says physicians,
00:45:26.846 --> 00:45:27.505
that's great.
00:45:27.565 --> 00:45:29.407
That's off the board because I took them.
00:45:29.967 --> 00:45:30.987
Now you've got to go deep.
00:45:31.288 --> 00:45:32.208
Fantasy football is...
00:45:32.505 --> 00:45:34.666
rarely won by first or second round draft
00:45:34.686 --> 00:45:34.967
picks.
00:45:35.067 --> 00:45:36.967
It's won by like the twelfth round.
00:45:37.327 --> 00:45:39.068
You pick the right kicker or something
00:45:39.128 --> 00:45:39.467
weird.
00:45:39.829 --> 00:45:41.148
Because I want people to think
00:45:41.188 --> 00:45:42.068
nontraditionally.
00:45:42.449 --> 00:45:44.469
Like why would you, you know,
00:45:44.530 --> 00:45:46.010
why would you reach out to this type
00:45:46.030 --> 00:45:46.510
of person?
00:45:46.550 --> 00:45:47.590
It's so nontraditional.
00:45:48.271 --> 00:45:50.271
Everybody's competing for the physicians.
00:45:50.351 --> 00:45:52.552
Everybody's sending over Chipotle or
00:45:52.592 --> 00:45:54.373
Panera Bread, right,
00:45:54.534 --> 00:45:56.634
to win over the front desk person in
00:45:56.653 --> 00:45:57.494
the physician's office.
00:45:57.875 --> 00:45:58.474
Okay, great.
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.559
What happens when you open a clinic and
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:03.420
that physician's office already has
00:46:04.059 --> 00:46:05.181
referral sources set up?
00:46:05.501 --> 00:46:06.521
I'm not saying don't try.
00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:08.181
I'm saying we need to go deeper.
00:46:08.521 --> 00:46:10.742
So the pitch to you guys is either
00:46:10.782 --> 00:46:12.001
next week or on Thursday,
00:46:12.802 --> 00:46:14.123
let's talk about some of those weird
00:46:14.143 --> 00:46:14.643
places.
00:46:14.983 --> 00:46:17.284
And what I want the listeners to walk
00:46:17.304 --> 00:46:20.184
away with and us is like, oh,
00:46:20.445 --> 00:46:21.085
I never thought about it.
00:46:21.304 --> 00:46:22.364
Never thought about it that way.
00:46:22.784 --> 00:46:24.405
Or never thought about to approach this
00:46:24.445 --> 00:46:25.146
type of person.
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:28.641
check uh check facebook dm that i just
00:46:28.661 --> 00:46:31.041
sent in our group chat i totally forgot
00:46:31.300 --> 00:46:33.121
i totally forgot about this also this
00:46:33.161 --> 00:46:39.083
friday uh we're having a providers uh
00:46:39.103 --> 00:46:42.003
providers collab and referrals drinks
00:46:43.324 --> 00:46:45.664
totally totally totally forgot to mention
00:46:45.724 --> 00:46:47.945
it uh and this is this is a
00:46:47.985 --> 00:46:49.965
test because i it's the end of august
00:46:50.005 --> 00:46:50.945
and there's going to be people that are
00:46:50.965 --> 00:46:51.885
still away and there's a bunch of
00:46:51.925 --> 00:46:53.606
physicians that we invited and most of
00:46:53.626 --> 00:46:55.786
them are what did i mess something up
00:46:56.411 --> 00:46:57.471
No, I love the fact that you're like,
00:46:57.510 --> 00:46:58.791
it's cocktails and mocktails.
00:46:58.871 --> 00:47:00.353
Dave and we've all been talking how
00:47:00.373 --> 00:47:03.713
alcohol doesn't necessarily drive people
00:47:03.753 --> 00:47:06.114
who are twenty-five today.
00:47:06.335 --> 00:47:08.675
These days, people aren't drinking, right?
00:47:08.695 --> 00:47:11.097
So, yeah, mocktails and cocktails on us.
00:47:11.297 --> 00:47:12.717
First round on us.
00:47:12.838 --> 00:47:16.400
Everybody show up.
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Run up the credit card, everybody.
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That's right.
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That's sponsored by Terrence Payne,
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really.
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So,
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that'll maybe be one of my six-pack thing
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that we talk about, but...
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We're testing this now because, again,
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people are away.
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It's in August.
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There's a bunch of people that are like,
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oh,
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I'm in the Hamptons or I'm going to
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be out at the shore or away or
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whatever.
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So this is a test.
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And then we're going to just do more
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of these happy hour drinks and also
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sponsored dinners into the fall.
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But this approach of this physician and PT
00:47:44.996 --> 00:47:45.878
night out kind of thing,
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we're going to do...
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two approaches and it's it's inviting
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physicians and it's also going to be
00:47:52.483 --> 00:47:55.346
obviously invite bringing our pts so
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physicians our pts and also candidates and
00:47:58.409 --> 00:48:00.190
potential pts that we might hire in the
00:48:00.230 --> 00:48:02.952
future to have another touch point of how
00:48:02.972 --> 00:48:04.434
do they interact in the wild how do
00:48:04.454 --> 00:48:06.996
they you know how do they jive with
00:48:07.177 --> 00:48:08.597
our other therapists how do they kind of
00:48:09.018 --> 00:48:10.920
you know act when they think no one's
00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:12.541
looking or whatever like that whole thing
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so it's like
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not all it'll be not only it'll be
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a two for one our staff therapist can
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meet some physicians and referral sources
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um we can try to get patients referred
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to those referrals referral sources or
00:48:26.427 --> 00:48:28.407
physicians and pts can get to meet each
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other as well as we get to hopefully
00:48:30.349 --> 00:48:32.449
invite and meet potential candidates that
00:48:32.489 --> 00:48:34.110
either we've interviewed in the past or
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they're like in our interview process
00:48:36.271 --> 00:48:38.693
right now um so i don't have any
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sponsor for it so hopefully uh
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Hopefully the tab isn't too bad.
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I mean,
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you can see it's it's four fifteen p.m.,
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which is like super early.
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So people are some people are working.
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It's not going to be a big turnout
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compared to seven p.m.
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Free drinks for fifteen to four nineteen
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p.m.
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Everything is free.
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Put it like an asterisk.
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You're like,
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what is the recent social media trend
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where people will do a photo of this?
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their finger and then you've got to zoom
00:49:10.014 --> 00:49:11.775
in on Instagram to see the little text
00:49:11.875 --> 00:49:12.735
between their fingers.
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And that increases engagement.
00:49:14.657 --> 00:49:16.418
It's like I've got I've got a secret.
00:49:16.757 --> 00:49:18.298
And then like the person's fingers like
00:49:18.318 --> 00:49:19.440
this and you've got a zoo.
00:49:20.981 --> 00:49:22.021
You're on the post longer.
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So it shows engagement.
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Yes.
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Yeah, it's a way to hack it.
00:49:25.324 --> 00:49:26.885
I'm sure Instagram will devalue that
00:49:26.925 --> 00:49:27.425
eventually.
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But like for now,
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that's the trend of the week.
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But that'd be great free drinks and you
00:49:31.347 --> 00:49:33.628
zoom in and you're like it's four o'clock
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at four fifteen at Battery Park.
00:49:37.242 --> 00:49:40.784
All right, guys, let's wrap it up.
00:49:40.804 --> 00:49:42.083
I'm just going to say I missed half
00:49:42.103 --> 00:49:43.704
the show, but you guys are awesome.
00:49:43.885 --> 00:49:44.905
I heard the beginning.
00:49:45.505 --> 00:49:47.887
If anybody's still watching, subscribe.
00:49:47.927 --> 00:49:48.748
Go check out P.T.
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00:49:49.427 --> 00:49:52.528
Go check out Dave Kittle's show.
00:49:53.489 --> 00:49:54.230
And, you know,
00:49:54.250 --> 00:49:56.471
I appreciate all the time and effort all
00:49:56.490 --> 00:49:59.092
three of us put in to making this
00:49:59.112 --> 00:50:03.155
happen twice a week.
00:50:03.215 --> 00:50:03.775
We can't top that.
00:50:03.795 --> 00:50:04.614
That's it.
00:50:04.655 --> 00:50:05.315
That's the part I'm saying.
00:50:06.605 --> 00:50:08.186
simple yeah parting shot all right we'll
00:50:08.206 --> 00:50:09.146
see do you want to do that thing
00:50:09.186 --> 00:50:11.967
on thursday yeah yeah what do you think
00:50:12.007 --> 00:50:14.309
bring four bring as many as you want
00:50:14.369 --> 00:50:17.110
and if someone pulls yours you can't say
00:50:17.150 --> 00:50:18.831
it but i don't want you to invent
00:50:18.851 --> 00:50:20.010
ones on the fly i want them to
00:50:20.030 --> 00:50:21.711
be on your board so force us to
00:50:21.751 --> 00:50:23.333
think early we'll see on thursday we'll
00:50:23.353 --> 00:50:25.273
solve all of all of your referral problems
00:50:25.474 --> 00:50:27.695
all of them will be solved in less
00:50:27.715 --> 00:50:28.215
than an hour
00:50:30.166 --> 00:50:30.447
That's it.
00:50:30.507 --> 00:50:30.706
We're out.
00:50:30.726 --> 00:50:32.148
Boys, what the hell are you doing?
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And hey, just a reminder,
00:50:51.981 --> 00:50:53.262
none of this was for advice.
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This was for entertainment only.
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Thanks, Keith.