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Sept. 11, 2026

PTs Are Overthinking Everything

PTs Are Overthinking Everything

Are physical therapists spending too much time optimizing things that barely matter?

Jimmy McKay and Tony Maritato start with the growing backlash against AI-generated content and quickly uncover a much bigger question: Are we arguing about the tool, the output, or just something we don't like?

That same tendency shows up everywhere in physical therapy.

We obsess over perfect exercise form.

We debate tiny biomechanical details.

We search for the perfect posting time.

We chase follower counts.

We optimize before we've done enough reps to have anything worth optimizing.

Tony shares how his thinking around exercise prescription changed with experience, including why an imperfect row may still be an entirely useful row.

Then the conversation takes a sharp turn into a fascinating idea for the PT workforce:

Could physical therapists eventually negotiate something resembling NIL deals?

Instead of compensation being limited to salary and clinical productivity, what happens when a clinician's audience, reputation, content, expertise and ability to attract attention create measurable value for an employer?

Jimmy and Tony explore what that could mean for:

• PT recruitment

• clinician compensation

• DPT and PTA programs

• personal branding

• recruiters acting more like talent agents

• incentive-based compensation

• employee-generated content

They also break down an overlooked social media problem: more followers aren't automatically better.

If the people following you don't care about what you actually create, a bigger audience can become a community of lukewarm people instead of the audience you actually need.

Finally, Tony unveils a 28-day content challenge built around an aggressive idea: create at scale, build the system first and let repetition do the heavy lifting.

Because eventually, the exciting part isn't the secret.

The boring part is.

Jimmy's closing thought:

“The results that you're not getting are hiding in work that you're not doing.”

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Transcript
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Broadcasting way too early from three

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separate Wi-Fi connections.

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It's PT Breakfast Club with Tony Meritato,

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Dave Kittle, and Jimmy McKay.

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Happy Thursday to you, Tony Meritato.

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Happy Thursday.

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It sounds busier there than usual.

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Are there more people there?

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Well, because Monday was a holiday.

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So, like,

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I'm going to do my best to stay

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for the hour, but we'll see what happens.

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Yeah, that's something that...

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I mean,

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I don't think other industries have to

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deal with, right?

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Or absorb if you're a restaurant.

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I think they do.

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The interesting question, though,

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is if you can do it,

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why don't you always do it?

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If we could double our schedule or add

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extra twenty percent spread over four

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days, why aren't we doing it?

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That's a good point.

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Yeah.

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Of course,

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referring to the fact that Monday was off

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and now you're not going to see four

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days worth of patients.

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You're going to see five days worth of

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patients in four days.

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Correct.

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You're going to increase by twenty

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percent.

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Let's start with a complaint today, Tony.

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OK.

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Somebody who's followed me on Instagram

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for a while.

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I won't call her out because that's not

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the point.

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But she has said like she made a

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comment like this.

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and I'll read it in a second,

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but it was essentially like, Jimmy,

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like canvas free,

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like you're using a lot of AI to

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create things.

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And I want to talk about,

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is it the what or the how?

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Right?

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Because there's emotion attached to both.

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What I mean by the what versus the

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how is like,

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I'm not creating a lot of like fake

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videos.

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Remember like a year ago,

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every time you'd make a human,

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they'd have like six fingers and be like,

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ah, that's AI and blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah.

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So are you mad at like,

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you think the stuff?

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And the thing she commented on

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was an Instagram carousel done sort of

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like in Saturday morning cartoon style

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about all the mnemonics that we used in

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PT school,

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like how to remember the bones of the

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wrists and all the,

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that was my sort of like throwback.

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And she was like, canvas freak,

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a lot of AI on here.

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And I just wrote back two words.

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I wrote back Jevons paradox.

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And that's the idea that as something

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becomes more efficient,

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we don't use less of it,

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we use more of it.

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And then I'm like, are you mad?

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Because, listen,

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there is an environmental impact.

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But do you really think a physical therapy

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podcast host is changing climate?

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Like, do you really think I'm the one?

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Like, look at Citibank.

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Did you interpret it as you're wasting

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water and electricity on data centers

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promoting AI?

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Or was it just saying, like,

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I'm sick of seeing AI images?

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Yeah, that's what it... Oh,

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she just re-commented.

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Generative AI has a significantly greater

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environmental impact than traditional AI.

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Oh my gosh.

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Listen,

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if you don't like the pretty images or

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the ugly images I'm making,

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that is an editorial decision.

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Don't listen, don't watch, don't look.

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But if you really think me sharing an

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image of wrist bones...

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on Instagram, a platform, by the way,

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which has AI running in the background.

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Because I literally said later on,

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once she kept throwing stones, I was like,

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you know the platform we're arguing on is

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running on AI.

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Every time you type,

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it's reading it with AI.

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As well as the phone that we're arguing

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on.

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is also running on ai so i think

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i literally said and by the way tony

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i came up with this metaphor i didn't

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use ai for it it's literally you throwing

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glass rocks at a glass house yeah it

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just doesn't make any so you either don't

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like the content which is one thousand

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percent up to you don't do it

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But if you're mad at the tool that

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I'm using,

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I'd like to also see Citibank and Apple

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and Chevrolet.

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Trust me,

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they are going to out AI me before

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before nine oh one a.m.

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It's just so I just find this increasingly

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interesting is like now people find it

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like a call out.

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They'll be like, look, AI, look, AI.

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And I'm like,

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I don't think that's the burn you think

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it is.

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It might have been a year ago,

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but like.

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Like her response was literally use Canva.

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And I'm like,

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I'm a B minus graphic designer on Canva,

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but keep in mind all the tools running

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in the backgrounds that like improves

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color and reformats things or generates

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images.

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That's all AI.

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So you just asked me to use a

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different form?

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Or again,

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do you just not like the pictures?

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Is it an editorial decision or a how

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decision?

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So I just, I mean,

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you're someone who uses it a lot.

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Are you getting this at all?

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I have not yet.

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I'm sure it's out there.

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It's posturing.

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It's the flavor of the month.

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Save the planet.

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Don't use AI kind of stuff.

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But even if I did, I mean,

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like you, I don't care.

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Yeah, I'm sick too.

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I am kind of getting tired of the

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AI looking generated images.

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I think yours are great.

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We did that whole segment on,

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we took what was like a job posting

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and we reiterated on it two or three

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levels deep, made it look way better.

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My images, you know,

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you can tell when it's an AI generated

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image.

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Okay,

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it's just get a little tired of that

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trend.

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It's a trend, it'll evolve, it'll change.

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I hate to see people, you know,

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bringing the environmental impact into it

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because like you said, it's just absurd.

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Don't drive a car.

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Don't fly a plane.

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Don't do a million other things that have

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a bigger impact than generating an AI

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image and sharing it on Facebook.

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But, you know, it is what it is.

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Yeah, we're not going to.

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And I learned this a long time ago,

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and I think I mentioned it to you.

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I talked to a lot of people.

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So stop me if I already said this

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little diatribe.

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But when I learned that,

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like the amount of cans that we actually

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recycle and how much aluminum we get back

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is like a millionth of one percent.

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right you you feel good when you carry

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the bag you're like i'm putting the i'm

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gonna get something out of these these

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cans it's gonna be great and then you

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see the people from the recycling center

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like yeah we just throw most of it

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in a landfill it's just a different path

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to the landfill

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And this is where someone said,

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we're not going to regulate ourselves out

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of anything.

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That's at best a speed break.

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We're going to have to invent a solution,

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right?

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We're going to have to invent a better

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way to cool data centers or produce

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electricity.

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We're not going to minimize it.

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It just ain't going to happen.

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Why?

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because people like the pretty pictures

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too much.

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Sorry,

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you're trying to engineer human behavior.

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Well, this is a very clinical PT thing.

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It's like, oh my gosh,

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you could not do a leg extension machine

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because it puts shear force on the tibia

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and the ACL.

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And how could you even imagine doing that?

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Meanwhile,

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the person is doing that kind of motion

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throughout the day with various

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activities.

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like there is no bad exercise there is

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no bad machine there is no bad anything

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yet therapists love to over dramatize the

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impact of this it carries into all aspects

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of life this being another one

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Yeah.

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Augustana is saying it's ignorance that is

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most entitled.

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I don't know which direction you're going.

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Because to be honest with you, Augustana,

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you could be saying that for either side

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of the argument.

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We need to be specific about this.

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Are you mad at the output?

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Editorial decision.

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You don't like the trend.

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Thumbs up.

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Move along.

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Or you're mad at the tool I chose

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to use and I'm allowed to use.

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And that's also okay.

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I'm just going to ignore that.

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Well, I'm going to ignore both.

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Yeah.

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Talking about how we can essentially find

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an argument for anything,

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I'll try to find the video,

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but essentially,

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and I know this is going to shock

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you,

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Adam Meekins got into it with some

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American physio over...

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literally arguing about like that the kid

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was literally going on i call him a

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kid because he feels like he's you know

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eleven years old to me but he's just

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going on about like specific wrist

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position during an overhead press and i'm

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and i was that guy when i was

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in pt school i was like yeah at

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what angle of of pronation is the optimal

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and then i sort of got out to

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where humans live with the world and i

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was like does that actually how much does

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that matter how

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How much does it matter?

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And literally his argument was, well,

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Adam just lives on rage bait and

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marketing.

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And I'm like, my man,

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you're doing that right now.

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But okay, pot.

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Hello, kettle.

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Damn, that's black.

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What's the thing?

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Bruce Lee had a famous quote,

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to a novice,

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a punch is just a punch and a

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kick is just a kick.

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To an expert,

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a punch is so much more,

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a kick is so much more.

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But to the master,

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a punch is just a punch,

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a kick is just a kick.

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I have a student right now,

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I think I mentioned,

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we haven't taken students since before

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COVID.

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This is a high school girl.

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She's a senior.

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She's interested in PT or orthopedic

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surgery.

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So she's in the clinic and it gives

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me an opportunity to kind of go back

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and explore these ideas.

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We have a patient,

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patient's working with somebody else.

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I'm watching the patient do an exercise,

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a typical row.

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And I'm like, oh, that's pretty ugly,

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like ugly form, ugly technique,

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like doing all this kind of crazy stuff.

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But I grabbed the student.

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I'm like, look,

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look at what she's doing right now.

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Is that the way you would do a

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classic row?

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No,

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it's either too heavy for like an external

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rotation or it's too light for an actual

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row.

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But I said, what's the harm?

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She's not trying to be a bodybuilder.

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She's not trying to be an expert in

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the row.

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She's doing something.

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I can generate a case to support why

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what she is doing is probably closer to

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real world.

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If she's trying to pull the curtains or

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flip a sheet,

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that motion is probably real similar to

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what she would do in daily life.

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I'm going to let her do it.

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I'm not going to over cue her and

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correct her and fix every little nuance of

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every little thing that she's doing.

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But when I was a new grad or

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I was a new personal trainer,

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I learned all this cool information.

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You better believe I over-cued,

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over-corrected,

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over-exaggerated everything until I

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matured and I gained experience.

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I was like, you know what?

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It's still beneficial.

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It's better than sitting on the couch and

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it's not harmful or dangerous.

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I'm going to let her do it the

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way she's doing it.

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yep i love that quote from bruce lee

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because in several areas of my life i

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am a novice and and i'm not trying

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to put myself in the back just from

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repetition i'm like what you would call

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the master right and i can look at

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someone if i'm if i'm if i'm talking

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to someone about podcast creation and

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they're asking me what the optimal time to

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release a podcast is and i'm like

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I gotta be dead honest with you.

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It doesn't, it so doesn't matter.

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It's I'd rather you record three,

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it's the frequency.

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And they're focused on the optimal angle

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of the row and all those things in

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terms of like, well,

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should the title be this or like this?

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And I'm like, honestly,

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they're both pretty good.

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They're both A minuses.

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Like it really doesn't, it doesn't matter.

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And other aspects of my life,

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I'm such a novice.

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I'm asking those questions.

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where I'm still trying to wrap my head

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around, what are we doing here?

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So when you're the novice,

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you look at the micro and you're not

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looking at the macro enough.

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And when you're the master,

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I think you just,

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you're like in the big picture of this,

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this is going to matter.

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This is day one of four billion days

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that we're going to do this.

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Let's just do it.

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Let's, let's just,

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let's just do a bunch of B,

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I always say out of there are a

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thousand B minuses.

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If you're on time, you're late.

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If you're early, you're on time.

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I totally agree with the sentiment,

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but I think we got called out for

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starting the live at eight thirty one.

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Yeah.

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But due to the rotation of the earth,

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if you really wanted to think about it,

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you know.

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So everybody,

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everybody in the clinic for the last two

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days has been saying once you drive over

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the border from Ohio to Michigan,

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you got to set your clocks back a

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minute referencing the college game.

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Wait, I don't understand that.

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What does that mean?

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There was the Michigan game where the game

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was supposed to be over.

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One second, yeah.

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What's your view on that?

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You're in Ohio,

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and that's a Michigan thing.

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don't care i have no dog in the

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race i didn't grow up here so you

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know yeah i don't have a dog in

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the fight but that looked shade city if

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you're if you're western michigan i'm like

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yeah you can and literally like the sports

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pundits which just shows you how like

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tension and anger

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I'd be curious to see what the betting

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world looked like.

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Oh, my God.

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Who had bets?

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I did not even think about that.

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Wow.

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It shows you how little I bet.

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But, yeah.

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But I love the pundits the next day

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going, like, this is what good teams do.

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They're able to have a call and then

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have one.

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And when they get the last second,

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I'm like, nah, my man.

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That was a robbery.

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You would be completely reversed if

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Michigan got that done to them,

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in my opinion.

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That was a horrible,

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horrible call from where I sat.

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But they were saying they were literally

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saying like the game clock and the one

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on the stadium, they're off and, you know,

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according to and I'm like, really?

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I don't know, guys.

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This one looked pretty ugly.

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I think we talked about this and I

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want to move on to the next segment,

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but you're aware of like Ohio State when

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they're playing.

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And this is how bad I am.

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I don't even know Michigan versus Michigan

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State, who it is,

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but they cross out all the M's all

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over the campus.

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It is amazing.

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But when you think of like social media

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and attention and the rivalry and how it

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draws out all of these emotions, you know,

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again,

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this would be something I would look at

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and I would say, okay,

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I'm not part of this,

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but I recognize the impact and the power.

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How do I capture that and bring it

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into the physical therapy world,

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the physical therapy clinic?

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Can I harness that to help motivate my

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patients to push and improve and do the

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things they need to do more?

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Do I harness that in a way to

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attract and draw in more new patients and

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grow my business?

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There are so many aspects.

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And this is where...

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I would go to ChatGBT, Gemini, Claude.

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I'd start to talk about that.

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Yesterday,

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I spent probably an hour while I was

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driving using voice and going back and

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forth with, look,

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bring me up to speed on image likeness.

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I want to know how I can incorporate

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that into a physical therapy employment

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proposal.

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Got it.

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Because I don't want to just- NIL,

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you mean the college NIL.

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Is that what you mean?

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NIL, yeah.

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I don't want to just pay for clinical

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hours.

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I want to be able to say, hey,

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here's the base salary.

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If you want to earn more,

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here are the opportunities.

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And it really is NIL.

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It's look, how do we build your resources,

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your media?

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How do we incorporate that?

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Gosh.

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into an extra ten thousand a year fifteen

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thousand a year because it's gonna benefit

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my company just like it benefits the team

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to hire a well-known player right so so

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we had some interesting conversations on

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yeah that whole topic i mean i'm selfishly

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not selfishly thinking i i was thinking of

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something like that for my day job

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which is we've got all these people who

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are super smart,

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and they all have micro audiences, right?

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I look at the world like a map

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of little dots and Venn diagrams,

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and I'm like, well,

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I could try to grow one account to

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a million followers.

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That's hard, but that'd be good.

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Or I could grow like a thousand accounts

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to this many followers,

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and that's actually better because it'll

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touch more people in more ways.

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That goes back to my frequency, intensity,

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time, type, volume, and progression,

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not just exercise principles,

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also communication principles.

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So you might see ten videos from an

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account that has a million followers,

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or you might see a hundred videos spread

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across a hundred accounts one time.

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Which is better?

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I don't know.

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I don't know that one is better than

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the other.

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I'm going to noodle on that.

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Going back to the voice conversation,

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the thing that irks me,

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I pause when I'm talking,

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especially when I'm talking and iterating.

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I was on a long drive last weekend

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and I was working on my APTA Florida

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keynote thing that I'm going to do next

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week.

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Yes,

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I was using AI to noodle on the

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ideas.

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Why?

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Because I verbally process.

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But let me ask you this,

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when you pause,

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And if I'm using Claude,

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it sort of jumps in.

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I'm like, I need you to pause longer.

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Is there any,

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do you have a hack on how to

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do that?

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I don't usually use that version of voice.

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When I say voice,

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I'm saying voice to text.

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Got it.

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um but when i have done that it

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is it's it's i'm under pressure to get

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a continuous stream of words right so i

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i have thought about just telling it ahead

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of time give me time don't give me

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a response until i tell you or ask

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you for a response yeah i haven't done

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it but i i still live in the

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world of voice to text

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Scott's jumping in.

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Yeah.

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He's saying we now need PT agents to

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negotiate NIL contracts.

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I'll give away a negotiation strategy I

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use right now.

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Every once in a while,

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someone will find me.

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Most of the time it's on LinkedIn.

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It's a healthcare related thing.

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And they go,

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they look at me as like,

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go to market.

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Like, how do I market this?

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Nine times out of ten.

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It's so much work that's needed to get

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so little result that I'm like,

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I'm not in your budget range.

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Go do this yourself.

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Then they do and they realize how much

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work it is and they'd rather just pay.

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So what I do now,

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just like Scott here is saying,

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we need PT agents to negotiate NIL

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contracts.

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If Tony was like, hey,

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can I pick your brain on a project?

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Maybe we want to hire you.

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I record that call.

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Right.

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And I let them know I'm recording this

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call.

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I verbally sort of process, you know,

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what I'm thinking.

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I then go and noodle on the idea

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with AI after the call.

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And I put together a broad, high level.

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I'm not giving you detail because that's

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more effort scope of the project.

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And then I tell you,

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I'm not going to tell you how much

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I'm going to charge you.

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I'll work for whatever your AI tells me

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I should work for.

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But you have to put the following prompt

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in.

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So you're going to copy paste what I

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give you into your favorite AI.

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Then you're going to say,

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how much should this project cost?

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If executed by this person,

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then you copy paste my LinkedIn resume

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there and I'll work for whatever it says.

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Spoiler,

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it always says even way higher than I

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would comfortably pitch because people

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underestimate the ideas are cheap.

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The execution is where it's at,

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my friends.

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And somebody asked me to build a website

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the other day and they're like,

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I'll give you five hundred bucks.

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And I'm like,

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not worth getting off my couch for five

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hundred dollars to build your website.

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Could I build you a website?

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Yes.

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Would I build you a website that you're

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happy with?

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No,

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because we'd go back and forth sixty three

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times.

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That's death by ten thousand paper cuts.

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I don't want to deal with it.

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I'd rather go make five hundred bucks

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making funny videos that I think are funny

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on on Facebook and they'll pay me.

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That's the way I look at it.

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To Scott's point,

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we've been talking about Sturdy McGee's

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service through Dave.

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There are corporate recruiters out there.

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their innovation should be moving the

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needle toward this kind of thing.

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If I was a PT recruiter and I'm

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looking for therapists to match with

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therapy companies,

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I would understand the sign-on bonus,

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which really is an NIL contract to a

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certain degree.

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I would understand base salary and all

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that stuff,

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but then I would be innovating

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and taken proven lessons.

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And this was my conversation with AI.

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I was like, look,

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I know it's popular in college.

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It's moving into high school.

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Give me proven examples from high school

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or college that I can bring into and

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apply directly to physical therapy

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profession.

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Any recruiter should be including

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something like that.

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They are becoming

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an NIL agent,

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and then I would take it to the

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educational system.

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Like why aren't colleges and universities

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that have VPT programs, PTA programs,

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why aren't they offering these kinds of

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opportunities to potential candidates,

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students in the program right now?

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If I'm a student athlete,

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the the sport department is offering me

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money if you want me to come to

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you as a student in the dpt program

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i know you're struggling for students you

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want the best qualified candidates give me

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a stipend give me something i will create

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content we will do daily videos to build

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the the you know uh visible front to

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your program and get you more students get

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you more candidates if you can attribute

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it

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The answer is yes.

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A hundred percent yes.

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And I would be comfortable with this deal.

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There's a couple of different ways you can

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structure it.

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Flat fee.

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If you do X, we get Y.

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Don't do that.

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Neither party should do that.

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Why?

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Because then I'll just do the bottom line.

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I'll just do what you told me.

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But if I have at least some skin

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in the game...

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I will work harder and be more creative

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and I will adapt.

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The other end of the model out of

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flat fee is pay for play, right?

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For every X that comes in, again,

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final attribution is key here, right?

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How they make that decision.

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You can say for every new student who

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comes in,

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because you're part of this program,

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you get X. I would do a hybrid.

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The answer is usually in the middle.

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I would do you get a flat fee

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for doing, but the real kicker,

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the real money kicks in,

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the real reason to do it is when

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both parties are aligned.

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This is sort of like instead of me

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paying you to create short form videos for

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me and here's fifty dollars per video.

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I just say every video that gets more

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than ten thousand views,

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I pay you three hundred dollars.

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And now you're like, got it.

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I don't care how many videos you make.

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I want to I care.

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What do I really care about?

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I care about the amount of attention I

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want to put.

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But if I'm just paying you per video,

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your job is hit ten videos today.

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I want you thinking along what I'm aligned

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with,

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which is amount of attention for a

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specific audience.

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I think a PT program or a recruiter

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would be ripe for something like that.

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There was the guy.

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So we explored a lot of those payment

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structures.

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There are structures that you can't take

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into healthcare.

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You can't pay like a commission on getting

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a client for the clinic.

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Some of the preferred payment structures

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were like either a flat rate per video,

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or you create a digital course,

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a digital product,

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and we pay for that product.

00:24:00.542 --> 00:24:01.423
Josh Funk.

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What is he on?

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Rehab to perform.

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I think it was him.

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He, his company,

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he had a guy long flow.

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Yeah.

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Great on camera.

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Smart guy.

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Great videos.

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Yeah.

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I forget his name, but yeah.

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Trent.

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So I don't know.

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So he's, he's on his own now.

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Right.

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And like that, that was one of the,

00:24:21.972 --> 00:24:23.713
the things I was thinking about.

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I was like, what, you know,

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I don't think his content was on the

00:24:28.516 --> 00:24:30.057
company sites and,

00:24:30.321 --> 00:24:32.704
but he technically would have been a

00:24:32.765 --> 00:24:34.286
magnet for that company.

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I don't think there was any compensation

00:24:38.029 --> 00:24:39.451
being exchanged between them,

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but I have no idea.

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I'm just looking from the outside in.

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That's why platforms like Facebook and

00:24:45.103 --> 00:24:46.583
Instagram has been doing it for a while.

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Allow this collaboration.

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Like I will create things on my channel

00:24:50.963 --> 00:24:53.644
and I'll tag prompt or I'll tag APTA

00:24:53.683 --> 00:24:55.424
Florida if we're working together,

00:24:55.444 --> 00:24:58.125
because why wouldn't I,

00:24:58.205 --> 00:25:00.965
why wouldn't they want to allow that?

00:25:01.165 --> 00:25:01.526
Right?

00:25:01.605 --> 00:25:03.446
Like the rising tide is going to show

00:25:03.467 --> 00:25:04.567
it to both our audiences.

00:25:05.074 --> 00:25:06.455
I don't think the features really...

00:25:06.955 --> 00:25:07.896
Like with this show.

00:25:08.698 --> 00:25:10.059
I publish it separately.

00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:12.102
We don't collaborate on YouTube,

00:25:12.122 --> 00:25:12.843
but we could.

00:25:13.022 --> 00:25:13.683
Could we?

00:25:14.424 --> 00:25:14.845
We could.

00:25:15.306 --> 00:25:17.528
YouTube has the collaboration option.

00:25:17.567 --> 00:25:18.829
That's new, though, right?

00:25:18.910 --> 00:25:20.050
It's relatively new.

00:25:20.892 --> 00:25:21.972
The trouble is...

00:25:23.911 --> 00:25:24.191
You know,

00:25:24.490 --> 00:25:27.392
if I have it posted on my channel

00:25:27.432 --> 00:25:30.073
and I collaborate with PT Pinecast,

00:25:30.093 --> 00:25:31.453
you don't get credit for any of the

00:25:31.473 --> 00:25:31.854
views.

00:25:31.894 --> 00:25:33.913
You don't get credit for any of the

00:25:33.973 --> 00:25:35.714
success of the video.

00:25:36.335 --> 00:25:37.875
And I haven't really seen because I've

00:25:37.895 --> 00:25:38.976
looked into it a lot.

00:25:39.155 --> 00:25:42.176
I haven't seen any real benefit to

00:25:42.217 --> 00:25:45.298
collaborating between two content

00:25:45.337 --> 00:25:46.018
creators.

00:25:46.398 --> 00:25:48.199
What about on Instagram with

00:25:48.259 --> 00:25:48.919
collaborations?

00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:50.180
I've seen some bumps there.

00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.662
Have you?

00:25:52.682 --> 00:25:52.882
I haven't.

00:25:52.902 --> 00:25:53.903
That was my strategy,

00:25:53.923 --> 00:25:54.784
and I went away from it.

00:25:54.824 --> 00:25:57.144
Maybe I'll do a real science experiment.

00:25:57.605 --> 00:25:59.307
There was a series of videos where I

00:25:59.326 --> 00:26:02.808
was highlighting people that I follow.

00:26:02.828 --> 00:26:06.451
There was a registered dietitian, Dr.

00:26:06.471 --> 00:26:08.211
Jessica Nurick, who's great.

00:26:08.232 --> 00:26:10.193
She just does a lot of great nutrition.

00:26:10.854 --> 00:26:12.694
I essentially made a hype video for her

00:26:12.855 --> 00:26:14.036
where I looked into the camera and I

00:26:14.076 --> 00:26:16.837
said, if you're not following Dr. Nurick,

00:26:17.419 --> 00:26:18.819
you should, and here's why.

00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:20.540
Reason one, reason two, reason three.

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I don't know her.

00:26:22.701 --> 00:26:24.002
I don't know her from anything.

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But I made her or I offered her

00:26:26.044 --> 00:26:27.384
the chance to be a collaborator.

00:26:27.463 --> 00:26:28.625
She saw that come up.

00:26:29.285 --> 00:26:30.925
I'm guessing her or probably her team

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because she's probably got a team for

00:26:32.086 --> 00:26:32.747
this, I would hope.

00:26:33.507 --> 00:26:34.548
And they looked at it and was like,

00:26:34.587 --> 00:26:35.788
yo, there's a hype video for us.

00:26:35.808 --> 00:26:36.489
Who's this guy?

00:26:36.548 --> 00:26:37.430
And they accepted it.

00:26:37.509 --> 00:26:40.951
And that video performed thousands of

00:26:41.010 --> 00:26:44.113
percent higher than my typical videos.

00:26:44.472 --> 00:26:46.153
So I think that's I think it depends

00:26:46.173 --> 00:26:46.794
on the platform.

00:26:46.814 --> 00:26:47.634
But I think you're right.

00:26:48.450 --> 00:26:49.329
With YouTube,

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I don't know that they've figured that out

00:26:51.211 --> 00:26:51.691
just yet.

00:26:51.730 --> 00:26:52.951
But the fact that they're starting to add

00:26:52.971 --> 00:26:55.972
these features tells me they want to start

00:26:56.232 --> 00:26:57.693
incentivizing collaborations.

00:26:58.094 --> 00:26:58.273
I mean,

00:26:58.334 --> 00:26:59.634
brand collabs have been around for a

00:26:59.654 --> 00:27:00.315
billion years, right?

00:27:00.634 --> 00:27:02.015
Kim Kardashian's been doing this since

00:27:02.695 --> 00:27:03.395
Twitter and Facebook.

00:27:03.415 --> 00:27:05.416
Yeah.

00:27:05.817 --> 00:27:08.357
I just don't know if necessarily the

00:27:08.518 --> 00:27:09.617
formal collab,

00:27:09.659 --> 00:27:10.479
and even for you…

00:27:11.913 --> 00:27:14.057
I would kind of say like you were

00:27:14.096 --> 00:27:16.019
collaborating or tagging or whatever,

00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:18.201
bigger channels or smaller channels.

00:27:18.422 --> 00:27:19.864
Always bigger for me.

00:27:20.003 --> 00:27:20.224
Yeah.

00:27:20.585 --> 00:27:22.186
So I think there might be a little

00:27:22.247 --> 00:27:23.249
lift for you.

00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:24.410
Um,

00:27:24.830 --> 00:27:27.253
plus it was your video on your channel.

00:27:29.374 --> 00:27:31.075
Not them tagging you.

00:27:31.435 --> 00:27:33.457
But when you do a collaboration,

00:27:33.477 --> 00:27:34.518
at least through Instagram,

00:27:34.637 --> 00:27:36.638
it now appears to be your video if

00:27:36.659 --> 00:27:37.338
you accept it.

00:27:37.358 --> 00:27:39.260
Okay.

00:27:39.280 --> 00:27:41.842
So that's like it's the physics of the

00:27:41.882 --> 00:27:42.982
program, I think, a little bit,

00:27:43.022 --> 00:27:43.723
which is important,

00:27:43.864 --> 00:27:45.664
understanding what these words mean and

00:27:45.684 --> 00:27:46.265
how they work.

00:27:47.405 --> 00:27:48.866
When you accept a collab,

00:27:49.007 --> 00:27:51.327
now here's where it wouldn't work.

00:27:51.528 --> 00:27:53.049
If you're talking to patients,

00:27:53.109 --> 00:27:54.529
if your Instagram channel is talking to

00:27:54.611 --> 00:27:55.230
patients,

00:27:55.530 --> 00:27:57.251
if you're consumer-facing and I'm

00:27:57.311 --> 00:27:58.113
industry-facing,

00:27:59.875 --> 00:28:01.375
I wouldn't want those followers.

00:28:01.916 --> 00:28:03.017
And let me walk you through the thought

00:28:03.057 --> 00:28:03.577
process.

00:28:03.617 --> 00:28:04.538
You tell me if I'm right.

00:28:04.617 --> 00:28:05.898
And then so the audience makes sure they

00:28:05.919 --> 00:28:06.359
understand.

00:28:07.167 --> 00:28:09.269
if I gained a thousand new followers from

00:28:09.308 --> 00:28:10.529
Tony's channel, cause they're like,

00:28:10.549 --> 00:28:11.309
this guy looks cool.

00:28:12.070 --> 00:28:13.511
And then they see my content for a

00:28:13.551 --> 00:28:14.892
month, but they always blow past it.

00:28:14.912 --> 00:28:15.353
Cause they're like,

00:28:15.413 --> 00:28:16.613
I don't care about what physical

00:28:16.633 --> 00:28:17.453
therapists care about.

00:28:17.953 --> 00:28:19.515
Instagram reads that as Jimmy stuff.

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Ain't no good.

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I don't want to,

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I don't want to buy bots.

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I don't want to buy a follower.

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That's going to hurt me long run.

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It's going to be a beauty pageant metric.

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It's going to look cute on the follower

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count,

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but it's going to hurt you where it

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matters,

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which is longterm and being shown to

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people that,

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It's the audience is giving signals that

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this isn't good.

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The algorithm doesn't know good or bad.

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It just knows interaction or not

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interaction, attention or not attention.

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So you wouldn't want followers that are

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outside your scope.

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You really wouldn't.

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And even to the point where you don't,

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you don't want to get friends and family

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following you because they don't care

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about your content.

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And every time I ask any of the

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AI platforms,

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should I start running paid ads to grow

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my audience?

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The answer is always no.

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Because I'm getting so much organic

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growth.

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I'm getting ten to fifteen thousand

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followers a month.

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If I start running paid ads to try

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and get more followers,

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those are low intent followers.

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They might be kind of interested,

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but not really interested.

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So then I started getting more building a

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community of lukewarm.

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As opposed to right now, it's like,

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I found your content.

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It's amazing.

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I binge watch every one of your videos.

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I can't get enough.

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That's who I want.

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And, and that's the organic, you know,

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growth that will accelerate better than

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anything.

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Yeah.

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Agreed.

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Um, let me just,

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I just got to update something for, uh,

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for, for, uh,

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Yeah.

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While you're doing that, uh,

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earlier this morning we talked,

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I shared an idea about the day challenge.

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If you said that you had some ideas

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about that,

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I think I just liked it in general.

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I think I was like, yeah, I mean,

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I'm just as guilty as anybody else.

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I come out hot and then say,

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I'm going to do the challenge and then,

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you know, I fall off.

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But I think that's the reason for the

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challenge.

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Right.

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Which is like, let's get, let's get,

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let's build a habit.

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What do you think off the top of

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your head, like you, you want to,

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I'm guessing publish more.

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Yeah.

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Frequency.

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It's the biggest lever and it's the one

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that matters.

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How,

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how many pieces of content are you

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publishing daily right now?

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Any idea?

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No, I go through spurts someday.

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I someday I'm like, I got to slow,

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you know, I got to spread this out.

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And some days I'm like,

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I haven't done anything in three days.

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I am, I am the model of inconsistent,

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consistent inconsistencies.

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So on average, yes?

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I mean,

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some days eight and some days one.

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On average, you know, four.

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You know, I started with one a day.

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I moved to three a day.

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Then I hit ten a day.

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Then for like two months,

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I was at twenty a day.

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Twenty a day.

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Now,

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are you counting like twenty on one

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platform or twenty on a couple?

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No, no.

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Like twenty pieces of content.

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So Facebook right now for a year and

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a half has been my benchmark.

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Twenty individual posts.

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on facebook that doesn't in cloud include

00:31:31.789 --> 00:31:33.832
sharing it to stories it doesn't include

00:31:33.872 --> 00:31:37.974
sharing one post into multiple groups um

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like it's it's twenty pieces of content

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now all of those don't go to other

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platforms if it's a text post on facebook

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i can't share a text post unless it's

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a screenshot on instagram but here here is

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the idea for the audience that i pitched

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to jimmy this morning um

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Oh, my goodness.

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Let's share this and then we probably need

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to wrap it up because there's too many

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people out there.

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A twenty eight day challenge.

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I'm doing that because it's four discrete

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weeks looking at originally I started with

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ten pieces of content a day,

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but in reality it's ten reels a day.

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And then from the reel,

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you pull a photo and then from that

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you pull a text post.

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So you really have thirty pieces of unique

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content daily.

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Right.

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My bottleneck has always been

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What are the ideas?

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How do I keep the ideas organized?

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How do I iterate?

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So I did some work with ChatCPT.

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I created a framework.

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It connected to a spreadsheet.

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And I was like, OK,

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I can do this.

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Give me ten unique ideas.

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Let's go twenty-eight days.

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Create a content schedule.

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And look, there are ninety...

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I laid it out for ninety to a

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hundred and twenty second reels.

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So I'm like,

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can I seriously not answer a question,

00:32:58.398 --> 00:32:59.459
ten questions a day?

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Of course we answer fifty questions a day.

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I'm happy to share the format,

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the framework, the spreadsheet.

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I think it could be taken because I

00:33:08.484 --> 00:33:10.646
also said it's got to be specific to

00:33:10.686 --> 00:33:13.048
total knee replacement or osteoarthritis

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of the knee.

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Do not go outside of that niche because

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that is my community.

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primarily adults, and let's go from there.

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So it created buckets, content,

00:33:23.935 --> 00:33:24.856
idea buckets,

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almost like chapters in a book,

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an anatomy post, a motivation post,

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a this, a that.

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Yeah, and I think it's totally doable.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah,

00:33:38.888 --> 00:33:40.049
what you need to do is set up

00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:43.132
a system like the board game Mousetrap,

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and then the magic's in the boring.

00:33:46.275 --> 00:33:46.555
Yeah.

00:33:47.288 --> 00:33:49.189
The magic is waking up and being like,

00:33:49.249 --> 00:33:50.490
going to go back to the salt mine.

00:33:50.509 --> 00:33:50.730
Again,

00:33:50.849 --> 00:33:51.809
I have one of the coolest jobs on

00:33:51.829 --> 00:33:52.691
the planet, in my opinion,

00:33:52.711 --> 00:33:53.871
which is running a radio station.

00:33:54.490 --> 00:33:56.412
But day six hundred ninety seven,

00:33:56.471 --> 00:33:58.093
it was like, well,

00:33:58.133 --> 00:33:59.453
how are we going to revolutionize this

00:33:59.473 --> 00:33:59.753
today?

00:33:59.794 --> 00:34:00.953
Well, today we're running the machine.

00:34:01.154 --> 00:34:02.255
Today we're going to do all the boring

00:34:02.295 --> 00:34:02.494
stuff.

00:34:02.515 --> 00:34:03.675
We're going to record and we're going to

00:34:03.695 --> 00:34:05.115
do whatever the boring stuff was.

00:34:05.596 --> 00:34:06.696
And we're going to do that four hundred

00:34:06.737 --> 00:34:07.156
times.

00:34:07.518 --> 00:34:08.237
And then we're going to go get to

00:34:08.257 --> 00:34:09.358
stand on stage with Linkin Park.

00:34:09.878 --> 00:34:10.798
But you've got to do the four hundred

00:34:10.838 --> 00:34:13.159
pushups before you can go get the reward

00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:14.860
for the big triceps.

00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:16.702
All right.

00:34:17.331 --> 00:34:21.152
parting shot i will i've got the format

00:34:21.233 --> 00:34:23.773
ready i will probably tuesday because i

00:34:23.793 --> 00:34:25.114
think this would be a good project for

00:34:25.155 --> 00:34:27.014
dave with all the work that dave's doing

00:34:27.896 --> 00:34:30.076
i'll share the full details and everything

00:34:30.155 --> 00:34:31.757
anybody wants to participate there's no

00:34:31.817 --> 00:34:33.878
charge it's just a fun project we can

00:34:33.918 --> 00:34:35.898
do to get the motivation to create the

00:34:35.938 --> 00:34:39.199
content at scale yeah i'll reiterate your

00:34:39.219 --> 00:34:40.199
parting shot by saying um

00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:44.983
The swings of the batter are virtually

00:34:45.043 --> 00:34:45.384
free,

00:34:46.065 --> 00:34:48.949
and the results that you're not getting is

00:34:48.989 --> 00:34:51.371
hiding in work that you're not doing.

00:34:51.411 --> 00:34:52.193
This is the work.

00:34:52.653 --> 00:34:53.795
We'll see you guys on Tuesday.

00:34:53.875 --> 00:34:54.876
Tony's got to go hold it down.

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That's it.

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We're out.

00:34:58.478 --> 00:35:00.000
Boys, what the hell are you doing?

00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.860
Follow Tony Meritato on YouTube at Total

00:35:02.900 --> 00:35:03.940
Therapy Solution.

00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:04.980
Find Dave Kittle at

00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.201
conciergepainrelief.com and on YouTube at

00:35:08.240 --> 00:35:09.561
The Dave Kittle Show.

00:35:09.721 --> 00:35:12.661
And follow Jimmy McKay at PT Podcasts on

00:35:12.742 --> 00:35:14.021
YouTube, the socials,

00:35:14.121 --> 00:35:15.902
and wherever you binge podcasts you

00:35:15.942 --> 00:35:17.583
pretend are for CEUs.

00:35:17.902 --> 00:35:19.322
And hey, just a reminder,

00:35:19.822 --> 00:35:21.103
none of this was for advice.

00:35:21.123 --> 00:35:22.583
This was for entertainment only.

00:35:22.922 --> 00:35:24.304
Our lawyers say that counts.

00:35:24.384 --> 00:35:25.284
Thanks, Keith.