The Free MBA for Physical Therapists

0:17 It looks legit. It looks catchy. Graphic designer on the side. It's Canva, man. I mean, it even makes me look like a genius. He's David Fath-Lacani. I'm Jimmy McKay. And we are talking about an idea that I know is going to shock many people, many fans of the show or the stream. Made it up as I was going along, and all of a sudden it was an idea. And that's where the best ideas come from. So real quick, because you've been on the show a few times, but people don't know, you are our chief business correspondent. Is that what we gave you, the title? I think I'll take that. PT podcast chief business correspondent. Our our relationship started twenty thirteen when you were eleven years old or something.

0:59 I don't know. Maybe you're a little younger than me. When I started my journey as a second career PT and PT school, this was your first career. You were a normal you were a normal age. You were still twenty one then. Were you twenty one? No, you were. I wasn't doing well. I was thirty one. You're still twenty one. I'm still twenty one. Yeah, I'm Peter Pan. But given the background, man, you're a second gen PT family business, but you have a twist with a different degree and you're a PT, but you're also weird in a good way. How do you how do you explain? I'll take weird in a good way. Yeah, I mean, I got stuck living with you for three years during school, so that was a good start. Yeah, I mean, I came into PT. Both my parents were PTs, so kind of grew up with it around the kitchen table.

1:42 Dad was in private practice for twenty plus years with a variety of ortho clinics in the North Virginia area. And yeah, I mean, kind of got into it and, you know, fortunate to pick Marymount, fortunate to have you as a roommate. And, you know, it was it was a good experience. I came out, started the ortho sports space. I was athlete in college and I was like, OK, yeah, ortho everything all day long, every every day. And I really enjoyed the sports side of things. That was my first foray into private practice was in the sports performance realm on the PT sports performance cash base clinic and kind of scaled that out into a training facility in Colorado after I graduated and moved out here.

2:25 So. And then I ended up doing that for a few years and then pivoted into another opportunity that was a total one eighty, which was in the senior living side of things, which was just an opportunity that I saw. And I saw an opportunity that the market needed to become more efficient and how how care was being delivered. And that was largely because of COVID. And yeah, that kind of sprung up my next business, ended up scaling that out to a handful of sites across Northern Colorado, Boulder County area, partnerships with Senior Living and just kind of did the full spectrum of geriatric care. um you know and had you know very fortunate to have a great team of people to work with did that for a few years and then ended up uh selling and exiting that business um and then most recently i kind of dipped my toe into the health tech side of things doing some work there and kind of getting into this kind of consulting space now with my passion being primarily How do we improve our operations?

3:28 How do we improve business? I just, I've always loved the opportunity to like, here's a hole in the market. How do we make things better? How do we make things run easier for our teams? And I think that's just such a important piece of, you know, what we need to get better at, you know, as a profession is like, how do we get better as a whole at saying what's going on around us and then having the skills and resources to go to do a good job and put ourselves out there. You skipped two things that I think are of importance. While you were doing your DPT, you were doing a different degree, which is which is, by the way, on the weekends, casual weekend trips. One does.

4:08 You were flying back and forth from Virginia where we were in school. to the Ohio State University. Thank you for using the correct. Am I like a Buckeye fan? You're an honorary. Honorary Buckeye. Because I live with people enough. And I was like, this is who we cheer for now. And so you were doing what degree? at the same time? I did a master's in public health concurrently with my DPT. I started at MPH when I was playing baseball at Ohio State, finished my undergrad degree, had another year to play after I redshirted, and just was like, well, I don't want to do another bachelor's degree, so let's try this public health thing.

4:51 And honestly, it was great. It helped my vision of healthcare. get a little bit of a reframe before I even got into it. Like, how do you look at healthcare economics? How do you look at population-based care? I think that's a big thing. I'll take that. All is right in the world this week after writing that. I mean, I'm in New York, you're in Colorado. Sometimes when I do have the screen on in the back and there's an Ohio State game, I can almost hear you. Yeah. I'm still yelling at Coach Day. Yeah. Like, why are we running football? The second thing I think you skipped over is what'd you do after you exited your home health company?

5:35 I took some time off and I went to Nepal. I was fortunate to make two trips there. And on my second trip, I climbed Everest. Which is, I'm Googling and understand it's some sort of like a hill or a mountain. It's a pointy, cold, snowy peak. And that's a different episode that we'll get into. But I wanted, I mean, I don't know, dude, if I climbed Everest, I might have tattooed that on my forehead. Ask me about how I climbed Everest just to make sure I could naturally bring that up in a conversation. It was an awesome experience. It had to be. It was cool. You know what I was thinking about this too is, to to do that like you spend a lot of time out there you get and there's not a lot to do there's a lot of down time and some of the people you interact with it's amazing like in base camp the twenty five hundred people that call this like one you know one kilometer by one kilometer chunk of ice home for for six weeks and uh six weeks dude it's like a little village that's built on a glacier at the base of the highest peak in the world and it is amazing logistically what's been done there amazing credit to the Nepali people for what they've done.

6:47 But it's also really cool that you're sitting in a tent and you're talking to a dude who's a CEO of a major company or major organizations, attorneys, like high achieving people who also wanna go do this. And then you're also talking to like a local villager who is helping support you get there and you got to do it together. And I just the whole thing again, like you said, different conversation for the time, but like, it's just a really cool experience, both from like a social interaction, but obviously the, you know, the pursuit of something bigger was pretty awesome. Well, to go with your connection piece, you're sitting there on the mountain and you're talking to different people and conversations spur ideas.

7:27 The first tagline for my podcast was the best conversations happen at happy hour. Welcome to ours. Like, that's how I wanted it to feel. It's not necessarily about the beer, even though the logo is damn beer, you know, with my eyeballs on it. So in the spirit of connection and the reason for this live stream and the reason the idea that came about it is for the sixty millionth time I was on LinkedIn and the platform doesn't matter. And I heard someone say there needs to be more business education in school. We have friends that are academics. academics typically don't disagree but then they're like where are we gonna put it right and then we just go around and round and round in circles and then we we just get tired to the point when i literally just said okay chat gpt design me a syllabus for the mba for the dpt knowing that i don't have an mba you don't have an MBA MPH, right?

8:20 Similar, but not the same, but Hey, we all think we need this. So I just said, could we crowdsource this? Turns out you can't put up the syllabus. And I just said, who wants to teach what, who wants and the, the power of connection at the, you know, Base camp or on LinkedIn is there are enough people who are willing to give their time and their expertise without asking for anything in return and just said, yeah, I'll throw. And that's the thing, especially when you're in PT is like, they're pretty nice. I don't want to cliche PTs, but they're pretty nice and giving if you ask. So we just started saying who would teach what? And we filled up most of the syllabus pretty quick. And then we had other people like, well, you know what's missing?

9:02 And I go, no, I don't. Please tell me what's missing. And that, and I said, congratulations, you just volunteered to teach that class. So I'm going to put your name on there. And we wound up with, I don't even know, thirty classes, thirty little episodes, thirty lessons in the syllabus. And I don't even think we're done because, of course, people are going to come in there and yes and and I just talked to someone about revenue cycle management. I'm like, does that need to be on there? And she gave me a whooping behind the wood. Does it need to be on there? You need it. I was like, never mind. You have me greed. But these are the kinds of things we want to do. You saw it. were your initial thoughts here's jimmy again putting weird stuff on linkedin no i mean it's the same way the the pinecast started right like you came in and and i remember we were like at a happy hour and like dude i learned so much in going to these happy hours just talking to clinicians who know more than me and you're like how do we get it out of the bar right that's where we learn all that and that's how your your first idea came to be and i was like i don't know man this was what twelve you know ten years ago eleven years ago i was like I don't know, the first thing about podcasting, you do you.

10:08 I hear you. And kudos for seeing that and making it a thing. So the same thing with this is now we've always sat there and complained about how we don't really know what we're doing from a business perspective. We don't come out of PT school with this savvy business background. We got one course that was one hour a week, PT as a manager. And not to knock the programs, because I get it. It's not necessarily part of the board exam. Right. It's not their skill set. The structure of our classroom education is to get us ready to become entry-level clinicians. Well, part of what we're seeing now is a lot of clinicians who want to come out and say, hey, I have this doctorate degree.

10:52 I have these skills. I have this passion. Let me go serve my community. And I don't necessarily fit into the conventional outpatient environment. So how do I do that? I want to start my own business. Great. You have a great idea. How do you do it? I don't know. And I think this this kind of is a couple of years in the making. Right. Like, I mean, two and twenty four at CSM. Right. Like we got the fortunate opportunity to speak and we literally were we were dumb and dumber. Right. It was me, Mike and Megan. And we just got to talk about all of the mistakes that we did in our own private practice. in our journeys through that. And it's like, okay, here's all the dumb stuff we did. Don't do that. Don't do that. Right. Learn from our mistakes.

11:32 Well, here's another opportunity where we can now bring in some sharp minds, some people who have been there, done that, learned all the things, give these educational lessons in a applied format where it's like, Hey, you can take this, listen to this, thirty minutes, listen to those forty five minutes, pick one or two things and take it back to you. And even if it's not applicable today, right now, you're You're a staff clinician, but somewhere in the back of your head, you have this idea of pinging around and like, Hey, I want to go do something like, well, the biggest thing that I've learned over the last two years and working with people in these different, in these different positions I've been in and, and, and worked with, there's a lot of great people, a lot of great ideas. But they don't know where to start. And when you don't know where to start, that is uncertainty.

12:14 That's fear. And fear is the biggest barrier to entry for us. So hopefully through some education over this next year, these different topics, everything from foundational knowledge on what we need to understand when we open our doors or before we even open our doors to how to scale, how to grow, how to exit, all of these things in between, hopefully over this next year, we can give some people some good things to hear and give some things to think about and not make the same mistakes that we've made. My co-host from the PT Breakfast Club, Dave, is about to say something that I did. Just watch that mic. It's rubbing a little bit. I think it's rubbing on your shirt. But that means people are listening, David.

12:55 That's a good thing. All right. So this is where we team up well. You're very much a how guy, right? And it's like, I can't do anyhow, but I'm a little bit of a wow guy, right? I'm like, Hey everybody, let's go this way and do our own MBA. And then we get there and they're like, what are we doing next? And I'm like, I don't know. My job was to get everybody over here. Here we are. What do we do next? I don't know. So that's where we got the wow guy who are the how guy who comes in and that's you. So we've already started recording this, right? So again, we have a post on LinkedIn. I will share it in the comments across this platform. Take a look. Um, we started recording lessons from the people who were nice enough to, uh, to volunteer so you can peruse the syllabus.

13:40 You and I sort of looked at it and also decided like, we want to make sure that just like an actual good academic that if we're teaching this class, you can do thirty things, but you got to make sure you hit these five things. So if you're taking whatever, make sure you have to hit these five things. But then we can go on tangents and have fun and do whatever. So we're sort of trying to bake that into the cake. So the lessons are going to be there. by the instructor's choice, I can just give them an intro and then I can dip out and just sit there and eat popcorn and listen. Or I've like I've offered to like be their T.A. for lack of a better term, which is like, I sort of know what your outline is because you shared it with me.

14:23 I'll now just ask you those things as prompts and then shut up. And then when I think you're done with that thing, I will then transition to the next, like an interview or a radio show. So we're doing those things. So you were the how guy and you took the syllabus that I created and you sort of like, I don't know, judged it up. You judged it. It's been judged. How many classes do you think we're actually going to wind up with or modules or whatever? Because we want to kick this off on one one. That's the goal is start twenty twenty six. Yeah, I mean, I think as we've sat down and kind of put this together, the flow is going to be very much mirrored after what, you know, that's what I did. I took some time. I looked at ten, fifteen different curriculums that are widely available on an applied MBA program or an executive level MBA program that are out there.

15:09 OK, go through their syllabus, go through their curriculum. What's in it? okay well there's a lot of stuff that might not totally be applicable to to us as pts so like how do we take those things and then apply them into what is actually useful on our day in and day out so then we basically took that compiled all of that synthesized it and said okay here's what it's going to look like and the general flow that we've kind of landed on is every month we're going to have a new course essentially like you know foundations one oh one yeah new like heading or whatever Yeah. So, you know, we're going to start in January with, with the foundations of healthcare business and strategy. So looking at everything from like, how does money flow in healthcare? Like what, what are we in this giant cog when we say healthcare?

15:52 It's rubbing on your beard, David. See, I have no facial hair. Okay. Well, there it is. Keep going. All right. I got you. So that's echoed in my head though. All right. So yes. All right. Go back. I didn't mean to throw you off. You're good. No, the idea is like, how do we flow through things, right? So then if we can flow through a normal curriculum where it's like, we're going to create some foundational knowledge of basic healthcare economics, what is this? Where are we in this giant game of healthcare? How does the money flow? Is that going to be the most scintillating topic in the world? Probably not. But you've got to know the basics of where you fit into this and how are all of these things going on around you and how does this impact you? listen to that on two X speed, right?

16:34 Blow through that. That's what we would have done in PT school, right? Like blow through that, but probably don't. The funny, the fun part is the people who know the basics, they know how to make it sort of fun. Like we're not, you know, we're, we're, we're, we're not taking, you know, people who can't judge it up a little bit, you know, but we'll get through that stuff. Right? So the idea is one to two episodes a week, right? One to two courses a week. Um, and we're going to just roll three to six minutes. I'm thinking, Yeah, exactly. We're going to work through it. And very quickly in month one, we're going to start talking about strategy basics. We're going to talk about operational basics. What do you need to know? Whether you have an idea and you haven't started yet, or you're about to start, or you've already started and you want to scale and grow.

17:17 but you don't want to make mistakes as you scale and grow or you're afraid you're like hey i've got this good thing i'm really busy my schedule's full now what now right like that's the biggest thing i've seen over the last couple years is we have some incredibly talented clinicians but the thought of scaling and growing their business to bring on employees bring on help bring on a staff is like whoa where do i go with that um so the hope is like through some of these foundational episodes in this first few months we'll take some of that fear away and make it a little bit easier to get people in uh you know in with it and get going so um yeah right now it's structured as as every month will be a new course um like i said january is gonna be foundation's healthcare business strategy what's february we're gonna look at accounting finance for clinicians um so basics right like yeah i know all the things but hey you know what money does pay the bills and if you know money It helps out in life.

18:13 Money is not the cure-all, but it's sure, you know, being sad with money. I've tried being sad with money and being sad without money. It turns out being sad with a little bit of money is better. It's a nice thing. So, you know, being able to talk through what does that look like? Okay. How do you get your business valued? What do you do to take on capital? What does that look like? You know, how do you read a P&L? Like what's important? What do you what are what matters is a KPI? Like, what the hell is a KPI? Like, those are the things that we're going to be able to talk about and apply to those settings. And again, like, it's not going to be perfectly applicable to everybody. But the hope is they're going to be broad enough where if you listen, you can think about how does this apply to my setting?

18:54 How does this apply to my business and then help you? plug that in. So if you're a manager and you're like, hey, you know what? One day I want to get out of this and I want to do my own thing. Or, hey, I'm a multi-site and I want to go to regional. Well, it's important if you want to be a regional director, you understand what the C-suite is looking at. You want to understand what is driving this machine that pays your salary. You got to be good at that. And then also, how do you relay that back down? So those are going to be some of the foundational things from accounting, finance, stuff like that. And I think it's also important to make sure that we're not going to just have PTs talking. We're going to have people from all different walks of healthcare and finance and business, some actual MBA trained people.

19:37 People have been there and done that in the entrepreneurial world to help you feel comfortable, you as the listener feel comfortable with saying, okay, I have this idea, how do I launch it? Well, now I'm a solopreneur, how do I turn into an entrepreneur? I have these ideas, how do I scale this? How do I make it a thing? And again, like, you know, give some skills and resources to make that feel a little less scary to take that jump. What are some of the other like big subheadings that we're doing? Basics, finance, what else is on? I don't even know. Yeah. Operations, so systems, designs, how do you design workflows? How do you hire? How do you fire? What does HR look like? I think one of the ones that I'm fired up for is coming this spring when we talk about leadership and organizational behavior.

20:21 So how do you create culture in your organization? That word is thrown around a lot. Oh, culture this, culture that. Great. What is it? It's way more than the occasional know after work you know happy hour it's way more than the pizza party buying the pizza at lunch once a quarter because we got bad news to drop on the company right more and like how do we actually develop that from a large-scale system and we can look at that from hospital-based systems and i know you've had some of those uh you know some great guests in the past who have spoken to some of those those topics but it's like now how do we apply them to the scaling and growing business uh, clinician. I think that's going to be a fun one to, to dive into.

21:02 Um, I mean, I, we haven't, we even had a healthcare lawyer that I've connected to on LinkedIn only. I've never met the guy. And next thing I know, we got like four courses in law for the healthcare provider and healthcare owner, which is great. Uh, just off the top of my head, I didn't reach out with him, uh, but I know a healthcare real estate agent. It's all he does. He's licensed in fifty states and all he does is, here are the eleven things you can't screw up in a lease or a buy. I mean, he told like crazy stories in an episode how he's like, you watch these super smart people in healthcare completely get the, like just completely rugged in a lease or a sale of a building.

21:44 And then they're working for their landlord. Like they're doing these surgeries in the center, but they're, Oh, so much. It's like, you can make bad decisions real, real easy, especially when you're trying to move quickly. So I ha that's not even, I'm a syllabus, but real estate definitely needs to be a lesson. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, We'll dive into that in terms of law, policy, things like that. How do you mitigate your risk when you're building something? How do you factor those things and who do you go to? What kind of attorneys do you need to have relationships with? It was one of those things, again, I can share some personal experience. I was like, wait, an attorney wants how much per hour? Yeah, we'll figure it out. No, it's worth it.

22:24 What would it cost you to undo what you did if you hired a lawyer in the first place sometimes? It's worth the cost. Create a good relationship with somebody before you jump in there. So those kind of topics will be good. And then as we kind of work through the year, I mean, being able to look through some of the innovative topics that are going to come up. And what I think excites me about this is, as we've talked about, it's like, yeah, we've got the syllabus, but let's... have people who are listening help us, right? Like, Hey, I really want this topic. I really am struggling with this. Are we going to talk about this? Blah. You know, we can post, you know, you know, we'll kind of post our overview of what the next year is going to look like. And if there's stuff that's missing, let's, let's add it in.

23:05 Let's talk about it. If ten people ask for it, we're not idiots. I would probably jump on that. I mean, that's listening to your audience. Yeah. i think you know one of the other things that we've discussed that really gets me fired up is the idea of like how do we then put all of these put common thinkers in the same room right like creating some degree of a mastermind series i think that's going to be a huge thing as we go through is let's really start working on creating community of similar-minded driven people who want to get themselves out there kind of challenge where they're at and grow something for themselves.

23:45 But how do you actually get there? And let's put some similar minds in the same room, same across the country and help people get there. I'm putting up the current syllabus on all the channels. That's why it looks like I'm not able to think and talk because I'm not able to think and talk. Agreed. Current syllabus is there. We're leaving out a gigantic part of this whole thing. David, will you tell everybody what it will cost to take this course? Well, you know, you're going to buckle up for that one because it's going to be free.

24:27 Now, it should be the average cost for an actual in-person MBA is two, according to the Google box, two hundred and twenty thousand dollars in two years of your life. Yep. This so I wouldn't say this will be of two hundred and twenty thousand dollars value. In fact, it could be more because you're getting multiple perspective. But let's just say it's going to be valuable. It should be a couple grand zero dollars. How are we able to do that? We just asked a bunch of nice people. Now, we're doing a little bit of legwork, but you know we're going to release this thing, and it's going to bring us attention, and we're an attention economy. But the rising tide, man, it lifts all ships. So it should be pretty good.

25:07 So zero doll hairs. It's all hairs. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that that's one of the – when you look at what's out there right now, right? Like you can go to some of the paywall based things, right? And say, okay, I'm going to take this course. I'm going to take this course. I'm going to go to this thing. I mean, absolutely. Don't get me wrong. Like going to private practice meeting, you know, big time and great, great thing, right? It's worth the dollars. It's worth getting into peer to peer. It's worth doing those things that are organizationally available to us, but there's nothing where you're going to be able to learn something driving to work or driving home in that thirty minute commute. where you're gonna be like, oh wow, that actually works.

25:47 And then you encounter that that same day and you apply it, that's exactly what we're gonna be trying to do throughout this next year. Um, anything, sometimes it's harder to like, to make sure we didn't miss anything because you and I are like neck deep in it. So I'm trying to think if there's anything that we didn't. So we laid out what it is, who it is. I mean, I'll read some of the names, like, you know, not that I want to brag or anything, but brag away, man. Um, so let's read some of the names that are involved. I just talked to Chad Madden. Halfway through that episode recording for marketing, I needed to remind myself that I was actually his TA and supposed to ask a question because I was just like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

26:30 A little bit of fanboying him there. Money Literacy with Will Boyd and Alex Angar. David's coming in talking business models. Mick Gagliani is jumping on there doing sales psychology and a few others. I just recorded with Lucas Van Etten on hiring and culture. Again, and one of the questions was, How do you define culture? Because it gets thrown around stuff. Sturdy McKee, who just DM me a second ago, must be must be watching this financial ops and dashboards. And he literally shared a spreadsheet that he's like, happy to share a blank version of this if you want it. But he's like, these are the KPIs. And I'm like, KPIs? That's a buzzword that I never really knew about before graduating from PT school.

27:12 And he's like, yeah, you can get forty nine KPIs. But what are you going to do with all that information? So my question was, which KPIs are K? Like, which are key? Like, which are the key KPIs? Yeah. and a lot more. So I just, you know, Amit, Sturdy, Lisa Flexner, Steve Cohen talking about negotiation. I'm sure he'll drop some RTM information. Student loan management. We've got a certified loan professional coming on. I mentioned Joe Rivett, Esquire. That means he's a lawyer. When billing becomes liability, foundational reimbursement principles. Like literally he was like, hey, healthcare lawyer here.

27:53 I should, you should probably have some law. And I was like, What should we have? And he's like, these four. And I was like, I'm not going to disagree with the lawyer. So he's going to come in and do this as well. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the goal is it's flexible, right? Like the difference between the MBA program that you pay two hundred grand for and listening to this day in and day out, week in and week out is if you need something, if you're looking to learn something, just hit us up. Let us know. Right. And we'll figure out how to work that into the content. we want it to be very much applied to the day in and day out operations, strategy, growth side of things in PT practice.

28:33 And again, I say PT practice because we're PTs, but the lessons are not just PT only, right? Like if you're anybody in healthcare, allied health, you want to grow your own practice in some sort of healthcare private practice spectrum, you're going to learn something from this because these people that we're putting together, they're so much brighter. Like they've been there, they've done that, they've done some really cool things. And I think This is what the whole goal is from day one of Pinecast, right? It's like, let's put some of the best minds behind the mic, let them have a platform to talk about what they know. Give them a couple drinks first. Then hand them the microphone and then ask a question and be smart enough to shut up. And I think like that's where we would love to do with this too, right?

29:14 Like create a community of people and create resources for other people because like we want the profession to get elevated, right? That's the whole goal with all of this is we all agree based upon the news that came out last week, right? We're all pissed, right? What are we gonna do about it? Yeah, exactly. What are we gonna do about it? Okay, great. So here's a way to level up and let's get ourselves better. Let's prove ourselves some value And the way to do that is to have the education and the empowerment of like, hey, I know what I'm doing here. I'm going to take the chance. I have some resources and some, you know, kind of bumper guards around me that I'm going to be fine and go for it. And that's where good things happen. That's where innovation happens. That's where we advance our practice as a professional.

29:56 And yeah, I'm just stoked to be a part of it. To make sure you don't miss this, the simplest thing, a couple different ways. One, subscribe to the podcast. Uh, subscribe to the YouTube channel because we're releasing subsequent video as well. I've been telling a lot of this, uh, the instructors, if you want slides, great. If you feel like you need them. And a lot of them are like, I don't sturdy had a dashboard that was pretty visual. I was like, then we will share the screen if you need it. Can you list, can you learn from sturdy and KPIs without it? And just the podcast? Sure. But we're also going to have the video as well. So ptpinecast.com subscribe, Spotify, uh, you know, apple podcasts, all of the Pandora. People still listen to Pandora.

30:37 I'm surprised. YouTube as well. And at ptpinecast.com, there'll be a little pop-up that says subscribe to the newsletter. That way you'll get like an update, like here's what we released this week. And I think the beauty for me, people like me in a podcast is if you miss some stuff or I went on vacation for a week, awesome, do that. you can always catch up. So download them, binge them later. So that's how you get it. So ptpinecast.com. That's what all the YouTubers are supposed to say. Subscribe. Make sure you smash that subscribe button. Make sure you smash that live button. All right, man, do that. That's my best image. That's what you do well. That's what you're supposed to do. I'm excited.

31:18 It's always cool when you see an idea come to fruition. So I'm excited and definitely want to hear more feedback from people. And we'll obviously be releasing clips of the episodes Um, what I've also thought we might be able to do is take the transcript, run it through the old AI box and make like a PDF one pager for each episode or something. So I don't want you to have to, I never hate, I've hated taking notes in PT school because I couldn't take notes and listen. So if I was taking notes, I wasn't really learning, but then I'd get home and be like, what the hell did I listen to? But I'm also not going to listen to the episode again. But that's why I had smart people that I studied with who took notes. And then I got to look at their notes. So I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

32:00 So I was thinking about that. So I'm trying to make the solutions for people like me who maybe need a little visual reference after the spark notes on what was covered in class. All right. Is there anything else to do before we give our official sign off from this little live stream here? No, man, I'm pumped. I'm pumped to be a part of it. I think it'll be fun to bring some good minds together and see where things go. I mean, I think from everything from you know the the couple episodes a week to to starting to put some in-person events together you know to run some stuff together put some mastermind things together i think it'll be really fun to see where this goes and what we can do to help push people you know get over that fear right like here's the education the only way to get over that fear is to have the knowledge that's the power, right?

32:43 So like, this is what we're trying to do is empower, you know, our profession, our peers go out and do it because, uh, it's risky, but the risk is worth the reward. So we're going to give you the, we're going to give you, it's bowling with the little bumpers. Yeah. That's the only way I can bowl. That's the only way I can bowl too. Uh, David Fathikani, the PT podcast, chief business correspondent. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks for helping us with this MBA for the DPT live kickoff stream. Thanks David.