Stop Being the Nice PT

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John, I'll text you in a little bit.

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Where are you staying?

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All right, I'll text you.

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All right, live from Anaheim,

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let's kick this off.

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Accountability sounds simple until you

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realize how uncomfortable it can be.

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Our next guest works in the intersection

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of education, high-level athletics,

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and clinical decision-making,

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and he's not afraid to challenge how we

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hold ourselves and our patients to high

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standards.

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Live from Anaheim at CSM, Eric Bellum.

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Welcome back to the show, man.

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Hello.

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Thanks to you.

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Thanks for having me.

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So you're from St.

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Louis, the Billikens.

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Correct.

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What league is the Billikens in now?

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What conference are they?

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They are in the Atlantic Ten.

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Right.

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And that was new-ish.

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I mean, it's been a while,

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but I went to St.

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Bonaventure.

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Oh, you're a Bonnie.

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I apologize for that.

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I remember when St.

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Louis joined.

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Of course.

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I mean,

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I feel like I knew all the Atlantic

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Ten teams.

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I was going to school there for four

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years.

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You know who your rivals are.

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You know who their mascots are.

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I remember just being like, a Billiken?

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What?

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Yeah,

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and they're not in the Atlantic either.

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They're in the Midwest.

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Right.

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Correct.

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It's the Atlantic Ten.

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And I'm like,

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I'm checking where the Atlantic is.

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So how do you always get this?

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I get asked, what the hell's a Bonnie?

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What's a Billiken?

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I think it's cool.

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It's also a dope logo.

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Yeah, it is.

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Well,

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now it used to be a very like

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cartoonish looking logo.

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So it has changed since, well,

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since I graduated and then rejoined.

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So the Billiken ironically is a Buddhist

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good luck symbol at a Catholic Jesuit

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university.

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Of course.

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And it stands for the way things ought

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to be.

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So it's kind of this guiding principle for

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us at SLU that we work towards the

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way things ought to be with our patients,

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with our classes, with our students,

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with our community.

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So we're always working towards that kind

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of ideal.

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I like that.

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Once I did the research, I was like,

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all right, I'll allow it.

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But it's a cool looking gargoyle.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They named it after we used to have

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a football team, apparently.

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And our coach looked like a Billiken.

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So a short, stumpy guy with pointy ears.

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And that's how back in the nineteen tens.

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Yeah.

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Don't quote me on that.

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That's how we became the Billikens.

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St.

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Bonaventure is so small.

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We haven't had a football team since the

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nineteen tens.

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And I sort of got in trouble at

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school because I would I was an

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entrepreneur.

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We figured there was a shop in town

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that would make T-shirts for us.

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And I made unofficial official merch that

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said like St.

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Bonaventure football undefeated since

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nineteen twelve.

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Yeah, we have the same thing from people.

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But I did not have permission to use

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the logo,

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so I got brought to an office and

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was told, just stop doing that.

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Yeah, just don't use the logo.

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Just don't use the logo.

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I'm like, oh, okay, cool.

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Yeah, we just say St.

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Louis undefeated in football.

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So it's not a university.

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You can't stop us from doing that.

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St.

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Louis doesn't have a pro football team now

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either.

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Oh, yeah,

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you guys got rubbed into that too.

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Yeah, we're not going to talk about that.

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All right,

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so where do PTs confuse being supportive

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with avoiding accountability?

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Yeah,

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so that I think is one of the

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challenging things that we talk about

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within our classroom is how do we get

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you to be a supportive physical therapist

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but yet hold your patients accountable?

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Like when you go to a physician's office,

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if you don't take your medicine,

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they're like, what are you doing here?

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As a PT, we should ask, hey,

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you're not doing your home exercises.

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What's going on?

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And I think we've been too much of

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the nice guy for both of our patients

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in the health care system.

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In this world of evolution where we have

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to think about our reimbursement rates,

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we gotta start thinking about how do we

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create accountability for ourselves,

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for our patients,

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so that we can make the best out

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of the time we have with them.

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So what are steps to do that?

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Because the opposite of being the nice guy

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is being like the jerk.

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I'm sure we don't wanna do that.

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Correct.

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So how do you do it well?

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Yeah.

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So I call it a coming to Jesus

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moment where it's like we have a sit

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down and I'm just like, OK,

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so help me understand here.

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Your time's worth something.

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My time's worth something.

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If we're not going to put the effort

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in.

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Yeah.

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Do you think this is worth it?

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Right.

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And you might not like that answer.

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And that's the part that I had to

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like stomach.

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But.

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it kind of brings that like, OK,

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where are we going with this?

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And you have to be willing to answer

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that question to yourself.

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Correct.

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Because, you know,

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while there's not a ton of like literature

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behind this,

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but it makes us have to know the

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literature,

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because if you're just going through step

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by step cookbooking,

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everybody like

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well what are you doing there why are

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you creating a positive experience for

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this patient so i like to just start

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it off with even like first day eval

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i'm like hey i'm gonna be honest with

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you you be honest with me uh and

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we're gonna get through this together like

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it is this is a team effort i'm

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not telling you what to do you're gonna

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help me figure out this as well uh

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and we're gonna just push forward i like

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the the first three words you said which

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is help me understand yeah which

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It's just a life hack.

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It's not accusatory.

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It's like, hey,

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I'm here to think about what it actually

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says.

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I'm here to understand.

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What am I missing?

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Hey, man, lost my job.

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Oh, got it.

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Hey,

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now we have a different thing in the

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equation.

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Now that I understand that,

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how can I be helpful?

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Correct.

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But just assuming, and what's the label?

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Patient is noncompliant.

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That's lazy on our part, right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Did you need due diligence or research to

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figure out why?

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No, just didn't do it.

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Yeah, we're all humans, right?

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We have to understand where they're coming

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from as well because I think it's part

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of a problem when we say, hey,

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you've got to come three times a week.

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Do they have the capacity to do that?

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Do they have the funds to do that?

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Do you have child care for that?

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Do you have a ride for that?

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Do you have the money for that?

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And is it actually best practice?

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I would probably argue no.

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So where are we going as a profession?

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between this crossroads of like, okay,

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we're coming out with more student debt,

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we're getting less reimbursed.

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I think it's time now to reflect and

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say, hey,

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how do we change this profession moving

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forward?

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Yeah, I think it's a good time.

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we love milestones, right?

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The profession turned a hundred just a few

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years ago.

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It's like, well,

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if we're doing the same thing or something

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similar that we did a hundred years ago,

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some things are good to stick around,

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not all things.

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So what do we do to evolve and

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do those things?

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Those are good reflection moments.

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Yeah.

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And it's, I mean,

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hopefully we're not being the same.

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We were five years ago.

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Right.

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So that's,

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That's a big component of figuring out

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where we want to be as a profession.

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So going internal,

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what do you think is one standard physical

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therapist should raise for themselves

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first?

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Where do we start?

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If you're like, okay,

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how do I do this?

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If it's not in the workflow,

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I'm never going to do it.

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Yeah,

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so I think one standard is thinking about

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each patient as a human.

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Like,

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I think sometimes we get caught up and

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we got fifteen patients.

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The schedule.

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Yeah, we got this.

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You know, I got to get this done.

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I got to get this done.

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But then asking the question,

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what does this patient actually need from

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me today?

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Because there are times we've had those

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patients that walk in and they just look

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drowned.

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Like you're like, man, what's going on?

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And they're like, hey.

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like got broken up with and you're like,

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Ooh, that's a,

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that's a different plan changed.

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Correct.

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Like should, should anyway.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's that internal load that I can't

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affect.

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Right.

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I can affect an external load to them,

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but I can't affect their internal load.

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So I think the easiest step is one,

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just stepping back and realizing that

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we're not the only ones in their world.

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It's very easy within our clinic,

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within our busy schedule to think that and

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think, why aren't you,

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why aren't you doing what I'm telling you?

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Right.

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Like start thinking what else is going on

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in their world.

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Yeah.

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That's that's easy.

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Step one.

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Step two is I like to think about

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having an accountability buddy at work.

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Right.

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Like, hey,

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have you looked at this article?

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Have you thought about this?

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Have you gone to this conference?

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Are you thinking about what you're doing?

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Because there's times that I again,

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you everybody gets in the motion and to

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have somebody be like, what was that for?

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And if you don't have an answer,

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like as a clinician,

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having students is great because you on

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your keeps you in check.

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Yeah, yeah, it makes you know your shit,

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right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, like, what are you doing that for?

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And you're like, uh,

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because it looks cool.

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Like, you've got to have those answers.

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Because I couldn't think of anything

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better, and I did that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So let me pause and think of something

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better to do.

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Yeah, so I think those are, like,

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the two easiest things, like,

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you can do tomorrow, right?

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Like, look at your patients and be like,

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okay, what am I missing with this human?

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Because the missing thing might be they're

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just not bought in.

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Yeah.

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Like, so is it worth it to them?

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Yeah.

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And then having an accountability buddy.

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that you can check yourself and be like,

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what's really going on here?

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Correct.

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What's something educators need to model

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better for students?

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Educate.

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I think it's the humility in itself.

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Not being the sage on stage all the

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time and right all the time.

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Yeah.

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I laugh because I walked into class this

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past week and I was like, guys,

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what day is today?

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It's Tuesday?

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Yeah.

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My kids didn't sleep like I'm up here

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struggling to like you're going to raise

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your hand when I start losing you and

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we're going to work through this together.

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Wow.

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So like I like to not think of

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myself as the sage on stage.

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Right.

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Like I tell them, like,

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I'm here to help you.

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You're here to help me.

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So if things aren't making sense,

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I need you to raise it up.

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Yeah.

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So it's I think that's and I would

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say most.

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teachers don't go into it wanting to be

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the sage but again they get busy too

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there's a lot of things going in academia

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that students don't know yeah that it's

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just easier so like again it's having that

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same check of like teaching's a skill i'm

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teaching my first how to podcast course

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for healthcare providers now i got fifteen

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years in radio ten as a podcaster i'm

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not a mathematician that's twenty five

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years doing this sort of thing yeah and

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when i'm teaching i'm still like

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Are they with me?

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Am I doing this right?

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Am I talking too much?

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Am I talking not at all?

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Should I be asking them more questions?

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Should I be asking them less questions?

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It's not easy.

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No.

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And they're humans too, right?

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Correct.

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I mean, we both went to PT school,

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right?

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We know that feeling of like you sit

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in the back of the class and you're

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like, oh, yeah, okay.

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Like nobody's going to be perfect every

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day.

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Right.

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So teaching is challenging.

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I mean,

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at SLU we have classes of like ninety

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students.

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So to teach across that spectrum.

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You have ninety students?

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Yeah.

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In one class?

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Yeah.

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In one cohort?

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Yeah, one cohort.

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Wait a minute.

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You have a ninety student cohort?

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Yeah.

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We have ninety to about a hundred

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depending on...

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how they fall that's bananas yeah it's it

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sounds crazy i went through it and i've

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taught at other schools that have smaller

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ones there's pluses and minuses to both

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with that many kids there's that many

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other experiences there's that many

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chances to not get caught in a click

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there's not like we have resources because

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we're so large wow like so it don't

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be wrong it's a

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Yeah, that's a tough part.

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Hey, here's the thing.

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Whatever color shirt you wore on the first

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day, you're wearing that.

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You're a blue shirt guy.

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I'm going to remember you as a blue

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shirt guy.

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Yeah, I always tell people,

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if I don't know you by the end

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of the...

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The kids I know in the end of

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the first semester are the ones that...

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Ask questions.

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Yes,

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they ask questions or I don't want to

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know your name.

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It's both ends of the spectrum.

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But we try by putting them into groups

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and making them switch.

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So I have to learn that group and

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just kind of chipping away with it each

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time.

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Ninety.

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Dude,

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how does accountability matter more as

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healthcare keeps changing?

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I think that's a great question.

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I think the fact that we have to

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know we're changing and that we have to

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keep evolving and, again,

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that humility of, like, okay,

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we've been a profession for a hundred

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years.

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Like,

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what's the next thing that's coming out?

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We're going to talk about AI here.

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A lot.

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A lot.

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Should be.

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Right?

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Like...

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Why do, like,

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let's not be grumpy old people and be

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like, ah,

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AI is trying to take our job.

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Maybe AI is trying to help us, right?

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Maybe this is how we work on productivity.

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Like, I don't have that answer, but, like,

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we have to not get caught back.

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and grumpy and ignore it correct dude like

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i remember watching metallica on stage

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when napster was a thing and they're like

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you can't do this i'm like my man

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kids in basements are downloading music

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it's happening yeah and then you got a

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guy like dave girl from the foo fighters

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who was just like what am i gonna

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do about it he's like play more live

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shows like you can't download a live you

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know you can't download an experience so

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be more experienced teach you know give

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more that evolve

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yeah it's it's a that's i think is

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we have to be accountable to our ability

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to evolve to the patient that's in front

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of us because we all can appreciate the

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next generation that's coming up has

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different things that we have to deal with

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i was saying this earlier today it's a

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rubik's cube on a rubik's cube yeah

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students are a different part of life but

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they're also from a different generation

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raised on different things they're

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experiencing different parts of this life

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like you like

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I grew up and didn't know what a

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cell phone was,

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and then one day I did.

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There are kids who just never knew not.

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Well,

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and it's interesting because we're getting

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a lot more of our first generation

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students.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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It's great to see all the different

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components.

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Again, so back to ninety kids,

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when I have kids from all walks of

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life,

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and I ask a question,

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you see some of that like, oh,

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I never thought of it that way because

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now they have a student that grew up

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in Mexico, grew up in Africa,

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grew up in Japan or South Korea.

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That to me,

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when I learn that about my students and

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I encourage them to explain that

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experience,

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only makes us richer as healthcare

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clinicians and people.

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That's cool.

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All right,

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Eric, Parting Shot,

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what do you want to leave with the

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audience to wrap up?

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An idea, concept, quote,

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whatever you want to do.

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Yeah, I think at this point,

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it's just continue to grow, right?

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Like continue to help yourself grow,

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continue to help people that are coming up

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behind you grow.

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Like we're not meant to be this one

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island human that pulls everybody along,

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right?

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I think as healthcare providers,

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we're there to push, right?

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I want to push my students.

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I want to push my colleagues.

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I want to push the patients that walk

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through my door.

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Sometimes I want to push my kids.

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Like I think that component of like don't,

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leave the hungriness at home.

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Ooh, I like that.

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That's hard to do on some days.

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We can all appreciate that.

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But I have on my computer rotating

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messages.

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It's like,

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just because you're struggling doesn't

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mean you're failing.

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So just keep pushing as much as you

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can.

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Eric, appreciate you coming on the show.

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Yes.

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Go Billikens.

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Thank you.

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I will talk to you again soon, man.