Nine Holes With Jason Stodell: A Tour PT’s Journey Inside the Ropes

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You ever wonder who keeps the world's top

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golfers swinging at full speed?

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I always wondered.

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The ones walking in the air.

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Walking in eighteen holes a day,

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every day, under pressure,

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with millions on the line.

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I couldn't make a foot putt with a

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million.

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Yeah,

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they've got someone on the team who

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understands the movement, the performance,

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and what it takes to stay in peak

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form week after week after week,

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round after round after round.

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And that someone...

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is a physical therapist.

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How cool is that?

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Today's guest has spent years traveling

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with the PGA Tour,

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keeping pro golfers strong, mobile,

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and injury-free.

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Before he was working elbow-to-elbow with

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the elite athletes,

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he was just like a lot of us,

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figuring out how to blend passion,

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clinical skill,

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and a little creativity into a meaningful

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career.

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We're going to get into how he broke

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into one of the coolest jobs in sports

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rehab.

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I think if you're even, I mean,

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I'm wearing my golf shirt today.

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If you're even remotely interested in golf

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and you're a PT,

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you had to have thought about it.

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right?

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Like how, how do you get into that?

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What it's really like behind the ropes of

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the PGA tour as cool as it is.

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I'm sure there's some tough stuff.

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You got to know that and how you

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can start carving out maybe a similar

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path, either in golf or a different sport.

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There are some parallels there.

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Uh,

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Whether you're a student, new grad,

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or seasoned PT looking to shake things up

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a little bit,

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you're about to get the blueprint and

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maybe a few surprise stories from the

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road.

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I like those.

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Grab a beverage.

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Loosen up your thoracic spine.

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Warm it up a little bit.

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Get ready to walk the fairway with one

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of the PGA Tour's best-kept rehab secrets,

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Jason Stodell, on the show.

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Jason, welcome back to the program.

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Jason Stodell, PGA.

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You're off the tour, man,

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and you're not out of green.

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I am.

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I'm home for a couple of months.

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This is a slow time of the year

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for us travel wise.

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So happy to sleep in my own bed.

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I love it.

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Last time we talked to you,

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you were in this ridiculous mobile

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practice facility at, uh, in Paris.

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I guess that's an all right place to

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do some, uh, wasn't Paris, Texas is Paris,

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France.

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And you were there for, uh,

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the U S Olympics.

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Yeah.

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The, the,

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I was there for the Olympics period,

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not just the U S team.

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So yeah, I retreated everybody there.

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Um,

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I think if I remember correctly,

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something like fifty two out of the sixty

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players on the men's side and something

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similar on the women's side.

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So, yeah,

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we saw we saw everybody all the time

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worldwide.

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I limited you to U.S.

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only.

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You're worldwide.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we we travel all over.

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Yeah.

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So we just count, I think,

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between the three tours we saw we were

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at tournaments.

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Our staff was at tournaments on five

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different continents this year.

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Wow.

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All right.

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Let's go backwards before we go forwards.

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So we know the end or kind of

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the end or like, you know,

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maybe the victory lap or the victory lap

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round or the round on Sunday is you

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get to do stuff like go to the

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Olympics and go to PGA tour events,

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but let's go way, way, way back.

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Let's start with this.

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How'd you get into PT early influences and

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what led you toward golf and performance

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work?

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Let's rewind that first.

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Yeah.

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So I had probably a fairly typical

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Intro to PT where I when I tore

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my own ACL in high school,

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I had to have surgery and and I

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thought that the PTs that I worked with

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were like the coolest guys ever.

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So I was a sixteen year old kid

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working with PTs or probably twenty three,

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twenty four, you know,

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so I just found excuses to go hang

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out with them even after my rehab was

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done.

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I'd go back to the doctor and say,

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oh, you know,

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I still have a little bit of stiffness.

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Can we keep therapy going for once a

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week for the next ten weeks or whatever?

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And I'd go and hang out with the

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guys.

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A good friend of mine, Sam Hannaway,

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physical therapist at the time.

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He was a PT assistant.

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He became a pretty good friend of mine.

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And I just thought those guys were the

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coolest.

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So that was kind of my first intro

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in high school.

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And then from there,

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I kind of just did the PT thing

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and I was focused on it.

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I knew going into college that this is

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what I wanted to do.

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So I was a pretty focused undergrad and

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kind of went from there.

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What was it about?

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We'll go back to that clinic.

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You were doing something not a lot of

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people do,

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which is volunteering to go do more PT.

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What was it about it?

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It's got to be a feeling or an

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emotion or a vibe.

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What did they do,

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probably simple but powerful,

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that made you feel like you wanted to

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do this thing?

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Yeah.

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You know, I,

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I think looking back on it,

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I think it was just like, I just,

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I just pictured myself in their shoes,

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you know, whatever,

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eight years from now or however long it

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was going to be.

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So there were, there were athletic guys.

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It was mostly guys.

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There's some female therapists there too,

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but you know,

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most of the guys I worked with were

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dudes and they were good guys.

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You know, the head guy, Moses was,

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he was a little bit older,

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but the rest of the PTs that were

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working under him were all in their mid

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twenties.

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You know, they, you know,

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recently out of school,

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I imagine at the time,

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And I just, again,

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I kind of just like pictured myself being

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in their shoes.

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It was a pretty easy,

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it wasn't a big step to imagine that

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versus, you know,

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I got to know the doctor that did

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my knee surgery.

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And for whatever reason, you know,

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medical school was a lot less of an

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idea for me at the time.

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Just,

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I just felt like I could relate better

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or,

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or spent more time with the therapist that

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I work with.

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And, you know,

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that kind of laid the foundation for my

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interest and,

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Like I said,

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I keep in touch with a lot of

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those guys even still to this day,

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thirty years later.

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That's great.

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All right,

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we're going to play nine holes with Jason

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right now.

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That's the first hole.

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That's your backstory, right?

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We're teed off.

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We're warmed up.

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So now you're in – well,

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I don't even know where to go next.

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Where are you that really was the stone

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or two before getting to work with the

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PGA Tour?

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Don't start with day one of the PGA

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Tour, right?

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What are the couple of steps or the

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path before that?

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I imagine somewhere in PT school or

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somewhere.

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Where does that –

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little deviation start.

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Yeah.

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So I, you know,

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I grew up here in Southern California and

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I ended up going to university of Miami

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in Florida for, for undergrad.

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And that's where I kind of got my

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foot wet feet wet in terms of, um,

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working with athletes.

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So I was on the varsity rowing team,

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my freshman year, um,

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my grades suffered terribly.

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So I had to stop doing that.

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But through that process,

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I got to meet a good friend of

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mine that we'll probably talk more about

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here a little bit, but, um,

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he was an athletic trainer at U.M.,

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And he's the one that got me into

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the training room as an undergrad.

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So as a, you know,

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as a sophomore undergrad, it was,

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you know, kind of trial by fire.

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Like there wasn't really a lot of

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structure to the program.

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It was like, here's a STEM unit,

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figure it out.

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Here's a roll of tape, you know,

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watch how we do it and kind of

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go, you know,

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back in the day when it was a

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lot less formal on the athletic training

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side.

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So I started working with athletes there

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at the University of Miami,

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the football team, baseball team,

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swim team, track and field,

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kind of got to see a little bit

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of everything there.

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And then from there,

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going to physical therapy school.

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I went in St.

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Louis at Washington University.

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Shout out to Wash U.

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Still keeping close touch with a lot of

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professors there,

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Shirley and Tracy Spitznagel and Mary Kate

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McDonald and the crew, Marcy.

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So kind of kept it going there at

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Wash U.

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Got to know some of the local coaches

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trainers and professional sports there.

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So the St.

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Louis Blues and some of those guys.

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And then, you know, coming out of school,

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I talked to my previous boss at the

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University of Miami was at the time was

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with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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And I had an internship lined up and

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then it kind of fell apart because they

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got rid of their coach.

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And long story short,

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I ended up going into private practice

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instead of taking a job, you know,

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as an intern in the NFL.

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And who knows,

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it could have ended up differently.

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I could be talking to you from a

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training room

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you know, with the Rams or something,

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but yeah, it worked out all right.

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That's not bad.

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All right.

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So, so how did it lead to Pete,

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the PGA tour?

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Like what, what was the break there?

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So you haven't left PT school yet or

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was it after?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I,

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as we're getting close to graduating,

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I just sent a resume out to whoever

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would look at it.

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And, um,

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one of my now close friends on the,

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on the tour has been with the PGA

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tour for thirty seven years or something.

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Paul sure.

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And he actually reached back out to me

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You know,

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when he got my resume and said,

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you know,

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it was basically the conversation was,

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look, kid,

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we're not going to hire a new grad,

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but here's some stuff you can do.

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And we spent, you know,

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probably a good forty five minutes,

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if I remember again, years ago,

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just talking about here's some stuff to

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work on.

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Here's some some things we look for in

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candidates, the people that do well,

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you know, treating the golfers.

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And I kind of put it in my

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back pocket, kind of thought about it,

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but didn't really fully pursue it.

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you know,

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went into the private practice first up in

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the Seattle area.

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Then we moved back down to California.

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Um, and literally, you know,

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I think seven years later, um, uh,

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the medical director from the tour said,

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you know, basically I have this resume.

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So my desk from, from seven years ago,

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like, yeah, yeah.

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Let me know what you've been doing since

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then.

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And let's chat.

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And, and that was, you know,

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that was in November and they hired me

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in January,

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That's great.

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I mean,

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score one for paper resumes and not

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everything's got to be a PDF, right?

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That thing just lingered.

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Was it on special paper?

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Was it made of lead so they couldn't

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move it or anything like that?

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Yeah, gold embossed, stationary.

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All right.

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Wait a second.

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So let's go back, though.

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So you had that forty five minute

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conversation, right?

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You were reaching out.

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Listen, listen, bud,

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you're punching above your weight,

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but you're asking.

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Yeah.

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And that bought you forty five minutes

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with someone who gave you advice,

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but then you took and you did it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So the the main the main takeaway from

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that conversation,

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looking back on it was you need to

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have really good manual skills to work

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with golfers on a PGA tour.

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And as a new grad, you know,

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you kind of feel like, you know,

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everything.

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But going into going into practice,

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I realized pretty quickly that my manual

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skills were nowhere near

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kind of where they needed to be.

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So I ended up doing a year long,

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um, manual orthopedic residency.

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Um, and you know,

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it was like a one weekend a month

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kind of thing for, um, the didactic work.

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And then we had mentors coming to my

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clinic and, and that was awesome.

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Like I,

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I would have been lost if I started

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with the tour without doing that,

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to be totally honest.

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Um, and you, I always tell people like,

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if you came in and spent some time

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with us in the trailer on the PGA

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tour, um,

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There's a lot of overlap between what we

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do as PTs and we have a chiro

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on the trailer as well.

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And, you know,

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you'll see PTs manipulating joints and

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you'll see chiros doing exercise and

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you'll see PTs, you know,

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evaluating spines and you'll see chiros

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evaluating elbows.

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And there's a ton of overlap to the

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point where you might not recognize one or

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the other.

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And I think that's pretty common in this,

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especially in the professional sports

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setting where each clinician,

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whether you're a PT or chiro or trainer,

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They're so advanced in their skill level

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and skill set.

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They've been working at it for years and

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years, kind of honing their craft.

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And it's to the point where the player

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doesn't necessarily care who you are as

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far as your credentials,

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but are you going to make me feel

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better?

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And that's kind of the approach we take

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with our staff.

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And that's sort of how I approached it,

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too.

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I was giving advice from he calls himself

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a sport PT, which Eric Mara,

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one of the first episodes I did many,

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you know, ten years ago.

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And he said,

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I was asking about sports PT.

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I thought that's the direction I wanted to

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go.

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And I said, you know,

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just really just bottom line, man,

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what do you need to be a good

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sports physical therapist?

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And he gave this he gave this these

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three A's.

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I'd love to hear your take on this.

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Because I've been regurgitating Eric's

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advice for years.

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And he said, you need the three A's.

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You need to be available.

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He's like, in sports,

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it's not a nine to five, man.

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I mean,

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we've talked to you when you're around the

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world, right?

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So you got to be available.

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You got to be there.

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Athletes are all over the place.

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Travel.

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And all hours, right?

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So available.

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And he said affable,

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meaning people got to want to work with

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you.

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You know,

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you got to put this on your face.

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If you got an attitude, listen,

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they got options.

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Athletes have options to who they're going

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to work with.

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So available, affable.

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And then the third one blew my mind

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was adequate.

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He's like, listen,

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I know everybody thinks they want the

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thirty seven certifications after your

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name, but he's like,

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I need you to know the basics.

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I need you to be adequate where a

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lot of people would say, like,

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I need to be the most skilled in

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the world.

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And that's so specialized.

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He's like, listen,

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I need you to do the basics at

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scale with a good attitude when the person

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needs you.

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So what are your thoughts on the three

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A's from Eric Mara?

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Yeah, I think that's great.

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I think it comes down to sort of

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the common theme there is relevancy.

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So

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For us,

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one of the biggest battles we fight year

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in and year out is staying relevant in

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the front of the golfer's mind.

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Like you said, they have options.

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These guys are making fifteen,

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twenty million dollars a year,

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some of them.

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It's nothing for them to drop money on

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on a private guy or bringing somebody out

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with them.

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And a lot of them do, but,

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but they still come to see us as

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well.

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And the reason they see us is because

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they know we're going to help them feel

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better, play better, et cetera.

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So yeah, I think the,

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the adequacy thing too,

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I think I look back on or kind

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of think back about just being a,

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just a good solid orthopedic physical

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therapist is a really good place to start.

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And, you know,

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you can do as much of the content

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stuff as you want.

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And we encourage all of our guys do,

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you know, we're all doing,

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advanced things like needling and cupping

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and IASTM and all these other kind of

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tools of the trade or whatever.

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But like you mentioned with the three A's,

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like it comes back to just being a

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good manual therapist,

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be able to evaluate and treat

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dysfunctional movement.

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That's kind of in a sentence.

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I feel like what we do as PTs

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and there's really nobody better at it

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from a professional standpoint.

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Um,

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so being able to take a look at

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a golfer,

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see how he's moving or she's moving and

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then be able to correct whatever

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dysfunction you see, you know,

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anything beyond that is gravy.

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And I think, you know,

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when you add the personality side of it

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and the availability side of it,

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I think it's right on the money.

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All right, this next question,

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we'll move to hole number three out of

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our,

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we'll play the front nine with Jason here.

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You must have been asked this a lot

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from therapists,

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from people you meet at dinner parties who

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find out what your job is, right?

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Walk us through the day-to-day, travel,

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prep, recovery, communication.

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What's this job really like?

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I mean, believe me,

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standing on the fairway and watch this,

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I'm sure is the victory lap,

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but that can't be all it is.

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So how do you walk people through with

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the day-to-day and what this job is really

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like?

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Yeah.

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You know, when I,

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when I talk to students,

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especially I tell them, I'm, I'm trying,

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I promise you,

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I'm not trying to talk you out of

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it, but it's not,

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it's not all roses and rainbows, you know?

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So as you can imagine, there's a lot,

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a lot that goes into it.

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It's not just showing up and treating

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tiger and Scotty.

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Right.

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So, so for us,

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the tournament is a full week, right?

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So even though the competition is Thursday

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to Sunday and we show up,

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we usually travel on Monday.

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So we'll,

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we'll fly in Monday afternoon to wherever

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the tournament is.

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I think you've seen that the semi-truck

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trailers that we use is one's a PT

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clinic and one's a therapy trailer,

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we call it, and one's a fitness trailer.

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So at every event,

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we have two physical therapists and a

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chiropractor on the therapy trailer,

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and we have two athletic trainers in the

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fitness truck,

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and then we have another trainer in what

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we call the recovery center.

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So those are three facilities,

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three options that the players have to

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use,

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and all three of them have to be

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manned,

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they have to be set up and everything.

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So we do that on Monday night or

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Monday afternoon.

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And then Tuesday morning at seven a.m.

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I'm showing up and there's usually two or

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three players waiting for me.

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So we're up and running seven a.m.

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Tuesday.

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So Tuesday is a practice day.

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So we're there seven a.m.

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to six or seven p.m.

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Wednesday is usually a pro-am day for most

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tournaments.

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So that means we're there an hour and

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a half before the first tee time.

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So five or five thirty in the morning

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sometimes until seven o'clock at night.

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And then competition starts Thursday.

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So a couple hours before.

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So again, five a.m.

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to seven p.m.

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Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

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and then Sunday is kind of when the

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circus starts back up where we're there

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two hours before so we get the guys

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out and then for us as soon as

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the last group's tee off.

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we pack up so that the trailers have

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to get towed to the next tournament,

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which means we're not around to watch the

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final putt drop typically.

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Oh, get out of here, man.

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Yeah.

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Which is kind of crazy.

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Like in seven years,

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I don't think I've ever been at a

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tournament on site when,

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except maybe like in a rider cover

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somewhere where we're staying through

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Monday, but usually we're out,

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like I'm on an airplane flying home or

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flying to the next tournament when

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whoever's winning the tournament.

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Checking your phone and see who won.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We do.

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And sometimes if it's a Masters or a

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U.S.

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Open, like, you know,

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you're in the air without coverage.

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So I'm like, dang, like,

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trying to figure out who won.

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As a golf fan,

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it's got to be brutal.

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That's like, I mean, that's awful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know,

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I've been around long enough to where

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it's, most weeks it's not a huge deal,

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like,

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whether I find out right now or when

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I land.

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But, yeah,

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certainly the bigger tournaments for sure.

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It's like,

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and especially if it's a player that,

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like,

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Say he's been hurt all week and he's

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in contention.

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You really want to pull for those guys.

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You probably shouldn't,

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but try to remain neutral.

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But there's definitely – we have our

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favorites too.

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That's great.

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All right.

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So that's what the week is like.

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It's a lot more than I mean,

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it's not at all standing and watching at

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the eighteenth grade.

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You can't do that.

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But let's go inside the person who might

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be listening, who's like, yeah,

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I'm still in,

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even though it sounds pretty grueling.

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It sounds like I need to improve my

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skills and I still think I want to

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do this.

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What would you talk about in terms of

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the skills and DNA?

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of a great pgapt what talents maybe matter

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most talents are what you're born with

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what skills though those are the things

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you can learn and what maybe separates the

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good from the great yeah so we talked

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a little bit about the manual side of

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it and and just being a good manual

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orthopedic physical therapist not just

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manual but you know we spent a lot

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of time exercise as well um maybe just

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as much um so from a skill standpoint

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i think that can be learned and taught

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Um, so spending a lot of time again,

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post-professionally, you know,

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when you graduate PT school for the new

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grads are listening,

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you're not done learning.

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Right.

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So, so continue to expand your skillset.

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Sometimes, you know, early in your career,

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you sort of don't know what you don't

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know.

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So once you're out practicing, you know,

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in your clinic or wherever, um,

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you'll realize, man,

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like I've seen three or four of these

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shoulder patients in a row that they just

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don't seem to be getting better.

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Like I need to tighten up my skillset

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on,

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whatever on shoulder exercises or scap

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strengthening or whatever the case might

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be.

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So once you're out practicing,

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kind of figure out what you're not good

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at and make that, you know,

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turn that into a strength if possible.

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And then beyond that, you know,

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specifically guys on our staff,

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you kind of have to be a self-starter.

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You know,

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there's a ton of independence with what we

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do.

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We don't, we have a medical director,

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but you know,

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we're pretty much on our own as long

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as we get the job done.

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So,

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for example, things like booking travel,

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right?

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So we were responsible for booking our own

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travel and, you know,

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our guys are professionals,

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so they're not going to, you know,

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guys have made the mistake of booking the

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last possible flight in on Monday night

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and then it gets canceled or delayed.

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And like,

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all of a sudden you're showing up at

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noon on Tuesday and guys are standing

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around waiting for you kind of thing.

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So that's one example of, if, you know,

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if you're not a self-starter, you know,

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you might be kind of cut corners or

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whatever.

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So,

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We try to encourage our guys to be

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independent thinkers and independent

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operators, functioning within the team,

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but also being motivated and sharp enough

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to handle your business from a

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professional side.

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We don't have a general manager or head

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coach kind of breathing down our neck day

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in and day out.

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Obviously,

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there are officials with the tour that are

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keeping an eye on us and stuff,

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but for the most part,

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we try to kind of govern ourselves within

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our staff.

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Like I said,

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there's six of us in every tournament.

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So whoever gets there first,

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maybe they're grabbing the parking passes

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for everybody.

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Or, you know,

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if a guy has a delayed flight,

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you know, we're covering for him.

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Maybe I'm setting up the fitness truck

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because a trainer couldn't make it in

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because of traffic, you know, whatever.

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So, you know, we function as a team,

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but within the team, you know,

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we have a bunch of highly functional,

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highly independent,

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super competent PTs and athletic trainers

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and chiros on our staff that really kind

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of keep the ball rolling.

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Sounds like act like you've been there

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before.

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Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.

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And

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I mean, all of our guys are,

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I think probably our newest guy probably

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has been a PT for seven or eight

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years, you know?

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So all the way up to, you know,

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I've been a PT for twenty four years.

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We have other PTs on the champions tour

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that have been around.

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Like I mentioned, Paul,

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he's been on the tour for thirty something

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years.

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So, I mean,

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if you had it all up,

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we're talking literally like hundreds of

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years of experience.

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So, yeah,

00:21:02.309 --> 00:21:03.510
that kind of that kind of comes to

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fruition when a player comes in and wants

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to get better.

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So let's call,

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let's talk about on the fifth hole tools,

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training and education,

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just anything people.

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I'm sure PTs want to talk shop and

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say, Hey,

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what are the courses that you think were

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worth it?

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What are the certifications where the

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juice is worth the squeeze or a mentor?

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People are always valuable.

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Anything that genuinely mattered that you

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typically bring up to someone who's like,

00:21:26.837 --> 00:21:28.199
Hey, how do I get the edge?

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What are the things that are worth paying

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attention to?

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Yeah.

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You know,

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I think I saw your list here.

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One thing that came to mind, you know,

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I'll,

00:21:36.942 --> 00:21:39.243
be unabashedly biased here as a WashU guy.

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I think for PTs to go back and

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take a look at Shirley Sarman's work with

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the movement system,

00:21:45.526 --> 00:21:47.806
it is perfectly aligned with what we see

00:21:48.306 --> 00:21:49.507
in golf, right?

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So repetitive movements create these

00:21:52.407 --> 00:21:55.428
dysfunctional syndromes or patterns that

00:21:55.448 --> 00:21:56.788
we see over and over and over again.

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So whether you're a new PT or you've

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been out for a while,

00:22:01.007 --> 00:22:02.907
going back and reading Shirley's book,

00:22:02.948 --> 00:22:04.468
taking a course in the movement system,

00:22:05.128 --> 00:22:07.230
again, I'm super biased with that,

00:22:07.269 --> 00:22:09.330
but that's sort of where I start when

00:22:09.371 --> 00:22:10.250
a golfer comes in.

00:22:11.412 --> 00:22:13.992
We kind of think about what's moving too

00:22:14.032 --> 00:22:15.753
much versus what's not moving enough.

00:22:16.253 --> 00:22:19.455
And the idea that there's these relative,

00:22:20.816 --> 00:22:22.116
I'm trying to blank on what she calls

00:22:22.136 --> 00:22:22.176
it,

00:22:22.217 --> 00:22:24.057
but some things move more than they

00:22:24.077 --> 00:22:24.298
should.

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They're hypermobile.

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Some things don't move enough.

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And so how do we,

00:22:27.746 --> 00:22:28.665
how do we correct that?

00:22:28.826 --> 00:22:30.787
And it's, it's a challenge to do, right?

00:22:30.807 --> 00:22:31.987
So if you're a professional golfer and

00:22:32.007 --> 00:22:33.426
you're swinging a golf club, I mean,

00:22:33.446 --> 00:22:35.146
literally a hundred thousand times a year,

00:22:35.948 --> 00:22:37.587
um, the, the one,

00:22:37.928 --> 00:22:39.867
the one hour of exercise we do in

00:22:39.887 --> 00:22:40.008
the,

00:22:40.107 --> 00:22:41.327
in the therapy trailer is probably not

00:22:41.347 --> 00:22:42.148
going to offset all that,

00:22:42.189 --> 00:22:44.788
but starting to look at that and think

00:22:44.828 --> 00:22:46.269
about, or getting guys to think about,

00:22:46.288 --> 00:22:46.929
you know,

00:22:46.949 --> 00:22:48.329
maybe we're not changing the golf swing,

00:22:48.369 --> 00:22:50.029
but how are you sitting in your hotel

00:22:50.049 --> 00:22:52.230
room when you're watching TV or what does

00:22:52.250 --> 00:22:53.570
it look like when you're on an airplane

00:22:53.611 --> 00:22:54.830
or what are you doing when you get

00:22:54.851 --> 00:22:56.171
off the plane before you hit balls?

00:22:56.230 --> 00:22:56.310
And,

00:22:56.686 --> 00:22:57.326
things like that.

00:22:57.366 --> 00:22:57.487
Like,

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what are we doing outside of just swinging

00:22:59.587 --> 00:23:00.127
a golf club?

00:23:00.667 --> 00:23:01.888
And I think if you go back and

00:23:01.929 --> 00:23:02.848
take a look, you know,

00:23:02.868 --> 00:23:04.390
Shirley's stuff with the movement system

00:23:04.430 --> 00:23:06.349
is kind of perfectly aligned with that.

00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:07.530
It might not be golf specific,

00:23:07.550 --> 00:23:10.031
but it's not a huge jump to apply

00:23:10.071 --> 00:23:11.811
that to a high level golfer.

00:23:12.192 --> 00:23:13.252
So, sorry, go ahead.

00:23:13.272 --> 00:23:14.992
I was gonna say that you just made

00:23:15.012 --> 00:23:15.753
me think of another question.

00:23:15.773 --> 00:23:17.074
We'll call this a sand trap question,

00:23:17.094 --> 00:23:19.375
but these guys are shooting and you know,

00:23:20.318 --> 00:23:21.499
They're shooting what's called par,

00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:22.680
which is a place I've never been.

00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:24.279
I've heard it's this mystical place that

00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:26.161
you can apparently go and actually hit.

00:23:26.641 --> 00:23:28.221
These guys are doing four rounds of golf,

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but they're doing other training rounds,

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and they're taking practice.

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Are they, number one,

00:23:31.583 --> 00:23:32.883
tracking how many swings?

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Because you just mentioned that.

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There are hundreds of thousands of swings

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a year.

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Are they tracking it?

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And ballpark,

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how many swings are they doing in a

00:23:40.566 --> 00:23:40.766
week?

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Because as someone described to me before,

00:23:43.086 --> 00:23:45.048
golf is a unilateral, one-direction,

00:23:45.087 --> 00:23:45.988
plyometric sport.

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explosion and that is not a necessarily

00:23:48.970 --> 00:23:50.050
easy thing in the body so are they

00:23:50.070 --> 00:23:52.433
tracking things just like other athletes

00:23:52.513 --> 00:23:54.935
might mileage or reps or things like that

00:23:54.955 --> 00:23:56.817
and if so what's a ballpark number of

00:23:56.877 --> 00:23:59.440
swings for a professional golfer in a week

00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.461
yeah so i don't think they're as good

00:24:01.501 --> 00:24:04.003
at tracking full swings the the number i

00:24:04.023 --> 00:24:05.486
threw out the hundred thousand was based

00:24:05.586 --> 00:24:07.708
on some research there's very anecdotal

00:24:08.107 --> 00:24:09.769
he's asking players and kind of seeing

00:24:09.789 --> 00:24:11.351
what a typical week would look like

00:24:12.010 --> 00:24:13.633
And then a typical like tournament versus

00:24:13.673 --> 00:24:14.814
not a practice week.

00:24:14.993 --> 00:24:15.294
Sure.

00:24:15.394 --> 00:24:16.976
You know, obviously you're playing,

00:24:17.016 --> 00:24:18.176
maybe you're not playing well and you're

00:24:18.196 --> 00:24:19.979
playing eight tournaments in a row

00:24:20.058 --> 00:24:21.220
sometimes, which isn't unheard of,

00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.461
eight weeks in a row.

00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:24.061
But I think in general,

00:24:24.122 --> 00:24:26.884
like a thousand swings a week in a

00:24:26.924 --> 00:24:28.826
tournament week is probably pretty fair.

00:24:29.627 --> 00:24:31.009
That's one round of golf for me, though,

00:24:31.048 --> 00:24:32.109
just so we're in context.

00:24:32.130 --> 00:24:33.411
Maybe that's two rounds of golf.

00:24:33.490 --> 00:24:34.251
I can hit five times.

00:24:34.932 --> 00:24:35.092
Right.

00:24:35.152 --> 00:24:37.054
And you know, we kind of half jokingly,

00:24:37.253 --> 00:24:39.255
we talk about like professional golfers

00:24:39.295 --> 00:24:41.696
are the only athletes that practice after

00:24:41.717 --> 00:24:42.317
they compete.

00:24:42.698 --> 00:24:46.579
So you never see Tom Brady throw passes

00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:47.961
or Patrick Mahomes,

00:24:48.020 --> 00:24:50.002
or you don't see Shohei going out and

00:24:50.022 --> 00:24:51.503
taking batting practice after the game's

00:24:51.584 --> 00:24:51.784
over.

00:24:51.824 --> 00:24:52.765
Maybe, maybe they do,

00:24:52.785 --> 00:24:54.445
but definitely not as, as,

00:24:55.606 --> 00:24:57.949
as many swings as our golfers take,

00:24:57.969 --> 00:24:59.490
but it's not uncommon for our guys to

00:24:59.529 --> 00:25:00.529
go out and play a four hour,

00:25:00.569 --> 00:25:01.270
five hour round.

00:25:01.782 --> 00:25:02.785
And they go to the range for two

00:25:02.805 --> 00:25:03.125
hours.

00:25:03.164 --> 00:25:04.708
They go putt after that.

00:25:04.748 --> 00:25:05.628
So, you know,

00:25:05.669 --> 00:25:07.332
some guys are at the golf course for

00:25:07.873 --> 00:25:08.875
twelve hours plus.

00:25:09.625 --> 00:25:11.586
And obviously that repetitive movement,

00:25:11.605 --> 00:25:12.905
like you kind of alluded to earlier,

00:25:13.346 --> 00:25:16.926
that leads to some pain patterns that are

00:25:16.946 --> 00:25:18.867
pretty consistent and common that we see

00:25:18.887 --> 00:25:19.587
over and over again.

00:25:20.548 --> 00:25:21.028
So, you know,

00:25:21.087 --> 00:25:22.868
part of our job is sometimes kind of

00:25:23.328 --> 00:25:24.869
trying to pull the reins on their practice

00:25:24.890 --> 00:25:26.710
schedule, especially, you know,

00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:28.810
we try to periodize it where maybe the

00:25:28.851 --> 00:25:30.490
Masters is coming up and they're playing

00:25:30.550 --> 00:25:31.751
three weeks in a row going into the

00:25:31.791 --> 00:25:32.271
Masters.

00:25:32.332 --> 00:25:32.511
Well,

00:25:33.251 --> 00:25:34.452
My back's bothering me and I still have

00:25:34.492 --> 00:25:35.213
two weeks to go.

00:25:35.354 --> 00:25:37.915
Maybe we skip the Friday afternoon session

00:25:37.976 --> 00:25:39.237
or maybe if you miss the cut,

00:25:39.317 --> 00:25:42.578
maybe we shut it down Saturday and Sunday

00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.080
before you fly to the next course or

00:25:44.820 --> 00:25:45.382
something like that.

00:25:45.402 --> 00:25:47.682
So we know the goal is not to

00:25:47.722 --> 00:25:48.743
play great at this tournament.

00:25:48.763 --> 00:25:49.704
The goal is to play great at the

00:25:49.724 --> 00:25:50.125
Masters.

00:25:50.144 --> 00:25:53.307
So giving our guys that kind of advice

00:25:53.347 --> 00:25:54.709
is a big part of our job, too.

00:25:55.239 --> 00:25:55.959
And, and, and just,

00:25:56.058 --> 00:25:57.298
we reviewed this last time we spoke,

00:25:57.318 --> 00:25:59.099
but in the structure, you know,

00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:00.900
these are all independent athletes, like,

00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:01.099
right.

00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:02.420
You work for the tour,

00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.560
you're a resource available to them.

00:26:04.580 --> 00:26:05.861
They could use their own if they wanted

00:26:05.901 --> 00:26:07.980
to or not use you, but you're just,

00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:09.741
you're really, they're just like a, a,

00:26:09.882 --> 00:26:10.701
a physical therapist,

00:26:10.741 --> 00:26:11.761
patient relationship.

00:26:12.221 --> 00:26:12.682
Is that right?

00:26:12.701 --> 00:26:14.422
Like you're suggesting you make

00:26:14.442 --> 00:26:14.862
suggestions,

00:26:14.902 --> 00:26:16.163
but they make decisions because this is

00:26:16.182 --> 00:26:17.442
their livelihood, their job.

00:26:17.982 --> 00:26:18.222
Right.

00:26:18.262 --> 00:26:19.282
So, yeah, like I mentioned,

00:26:19.303 --> 00:26:21.143
we don't have a general manager or head

00:26:21.182 --> 00:26:23.243
coach that makes the playing time

00:26:23.263 --> 00:26:23.663
decision.

00:26:23.703 --> 00:26:23.903
Right.

00:26:23.943 --> 00:26:24.084
So,

00:26:24.692 --> 00:26:26.034
as an independent contractor,

00:26:26.114 --> 00:26:27.855
all I can do is suggest to the

00:26:27.895 --> 00:26:28.195
player.

00:26:28.256 --> 00:26:30.538
And I don't think they'd come to see

00:26:30.577 --> 00:26:31.739
me if they didn't respect what I had

00:26:31.778 --> 00:26:32.140
to say.

00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:33.721
So, and it's,

00:26:33.840 --> 00:26:35.323
I would say it's generally pretty rare.

00:26:35.363 --> 00:26:36.784
Like if they're at the tournament,

00:26:36.804 --> 00:26:37.304
you know,

00:26:37.324 --> 00:26:38.444
we're going to do everything we can to

00:26:38.484 --> 00:26:39.066
help them play,

00:26:39.105 --> 00:26:40.887
but there's definitely times when a guy

00:26:40.907 --> 00:26:42.108
that, you know,

00:26:42.169 --> 00:26:44.211
had picked up my luggage off the conveyor

00:26:44.270 --> 00:26:45.511
belt at the airport and I tweaked my

00:26:45.551 --> 00:26:46.893
back and I can't stand up straight.

00:26:47.493 --> 00:26:47.814
And, you know,

00:26:47.854 --> 00:26:49.055
maybe they pull out on Tuesday.

00:26:49.075 --> 00:26:49.154
Okay.

00:26:49.847 --> 00:26:51.567
But usually what happens is they come in,

00:26:51.587 --> 00:26:52.568
they're not feeling great because of

00:26:52.588 --> 00:26:53.348
travel or whatever.

00:26:53.909 --> 00:26:55.068
We treat them all day Tuesday.

00:26:55.088 --> 00:26:56.190
We treat them all day Wednesday.

00:26:56.210 --> 00:26:57.809
And then we kind of make a decision

00:26:57.849 --> 00:26:59.410
either Wednesday night or even sometimes

00:26:59.430 --> 00:27:00.310
it's Thursday morning.

00:27:00.550 --> 00:27:01.711
And as you know,

00:27:01.830 --> 00:27:02.971
at a PGA tour event,

00:27:02.990 --> 00:27:04.010
there's an alternate list.

00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:06.531
So there's a hundred and twenty spots and

00:27:06.551 --> 00:27:07.811
then there's ten alternates.

00:27:08.432 --> 00:27:09.393
And of those ten, you know,

00:27:09.413 --> 00:27:10.472
maybe three or four of them were on

00:27:10.532 --> 00:27:10.813
site.

00:27:11.012 --> 00:27:12.874
And it happened.

00:27:13.134 --> 00:27:15.114
I've seen it happen before where five or

00:27:15.153 --> 00:27:17.615
six guys just go down to the draw,

00:27:17.654 --> 00:27:19.095
go down for whatever reason and

00:27:19.789 --> 00:27:21.391
And very, very rarely,

00:27:21.431 --> 00:27:22.372
sometimes there's not even enough

00:27:22.432 --> 00:27:24.013
alternates on site to fill out the field,

00:27:24.054 --> 00:27:25.595
so they play a couple guys short.

00:27:25.615 --> 00:27:26.295
That's pretty rare,

00:27:26.414 --> 00:27:27.675
but it happens maybe once or twice a

00:27:27.717 --> 00:27:27.936
year.

00:27:28.916 --> 00:27:30.117
But, yeah, so to your point,

00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.559
my suggestion is just that.

00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:33.441
It's the suggestion.

00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:34.821
It's let's treat the heck out of it.

00:27:34.862 --> 00:27:36.503
Let's see where we can go.

00:27:36.844 --> 00:27:36.963
Now,

00:27:36.983 --> 00:27:39.066
if it's something where they have a hot

00:27:39.105 --> 00:27:41.186
disc that's with radicular pain and every

00:27:41.227 --> 00:27:43.169
time they try to bend over to get

00:27:43.189 --> 00:27:44.430
the ball out of the hole,

00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:45.570
their foot goes numb,

00:27:46.151 --> 00:27:49.853
we're definitely –

00:27:47.788 --> 00:27:49.347
suggesting again suggesting that but

00:27:49.647 --> 00:27:51.189
highly recommended they pull the plug on

00:27:51.209 --> 00:27:52.588
the tournament because you're not going to

00:27:52.608 --> 00:27:54.669
do anybody any good and something that

00:27:55.469 --> 00:27:57.910
something that could you know be a week

00:27:57.930 --> 00:27:59.089
or two long now all of a sudden

00:27:59.109 --> 00:28:00.529
you try to blast through it and now

00:28:00.789 --> 00:28:02.210
six months later it's still bothering you

00:28:02.510 --> 00:28:04.391
that's what we want to avoid so and

00:28:04.431 --> 00:28:06.230
definitely within that there's some you

00:28:06.250 --> 00:28:08.131
know we're a little more lenient with

00:28:09.011 --> 00:28:11.192
allowing guys to or suggesting guys can go

00:28:11.211 --> 00:28:13.271
ahead and continue to play with pain if

00:28:13.291 --> 00:28:14.813
you're trying to win a masters or u.s

00:28:14.893 --> 00:28:16.952
open there's a little more leeway if

00:28:17.608 --> 00:28:19.150
If we're at an opposite field event in

00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:20.109
Puerto Rico or something,

00:28:20.130 --> 00:28:21.510
then maybe it's like that's not the best

00:28:21.530 --> 00:28:21.990
thing to do,

00:28:22.391 --> 00:28:24.152
given that the goal is to make it

00:28:24.172 --> 00:28:25.451
to the FedEx Cup playoffs at the end

00:28:25.471 --> 00:28:26.011
of the season.

00:28:26.512 --> 00:28:27.712
What we don't want is for you to

00:28:27.952 --> 00:28:28.993
try to blast through it.

00:28:29.114 --> 00:28:29.753
And now, again,

00:28:29.794 --> 00:28:31.074
it's bothering you six months from now.

00:28:31.094 --> 00:28:31.994
Yeah.

00:28:32.075 --> 00:28:32.275
All right.

00:28:32.315 --> 00:28:32.875
Sixth hole here.

00:28:32.894 --> 00:28:33.974
It's par three, Jason.

00:28:34.316 --> 00:28:35.115
It's rapid fire.

00:28:35.155 --> 00:28:35.415
Three.

00:28:35.455 --> 00:28:37.017
This is person, place, and thing.

00:28:37.636 --> 00:28:38.717
So I want you to give me a

00:28:38.797 --> 00:28:40.357
PT or mentor.

00:28:40.938 --> 00:28:41.858
This is your chance to give a shout

00:28:41.878 --> 00:28:41.979
out.

00:28:42.019 --> 00:28:44.480
Someone every golf PT should know.

00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:45.480
Right.

00:28:46.053 --> 00:28:48.335
So I already gave Shirley a shout out.

00:28:48.375 --> 00:28:49.996
So that'd be probably top of my list.

00:28:50.016 --> 00:28:51.436
Shirley's become a pretty good friend of

00:28:51.457 --> 00:28:52.198
mine over the years.

00:28:52.298 --> 00:28:52.938
Good mentor.

00:28:53.618 --> 00:28:56.200
Um, another one that for me personally,

00:28:56.221 --> 00:28:57.781
there was a great, um,

00:28:58.682 --> 00:29:01.203
mentor for me early on was, uh,

00:29:01.223 --> 00:29:03.586
a gentleman named Jim Wayland who, uh,

00:29:04.223 --> 00:29:05.144
if you're a football fan,

00:29:05.183 --> 00:29:07.444
Jim's kind of a legend in the athletic

00:29:07.484 --> 00:29:08.125
training circles.

00:29:08.164 --> 00:29:09.944
He's been a head trainer for the Patriots

00:29:09.984 --> 00:29:11.825
for pretty much their entire run,

00:29:11.845 --> 00:29:13.365
but he's the one I mentioned earlier that,

00:29:13.865 --> 00:29:14.685
that helped me kind of,

00:29:14.726 --> 00:29:16.846
he introduced me to the athletic training

00:29:16.885 --> 00:29:17.685
profession early on,

00:29:17.726 --> 00:29:18.746
got me working with athletes.

00:29:19.247 --> 00:29:19.906
So he's not a PT,

00:29:19.926 --> 00:29:21.207
he's an athletic trainer,

00:29:21.247 --> 00:29:23.166
but shout out to Jim Whalen.

00:29:23.487 --> 00:29:24.887
I don't know if he'll watch this,

00:29:24.928 --> 00:29:27.307
but yeah, he's, he's a legend for sure.

00:29:27.327 --> 00:29:28.028
He's again,

00:29:28.508 --> 00:29:30.768
kind of my first like real sort of

00:29:31.108 --> 00:29:32.709
intro to what it's like to be a

00:29:32.769 --> 00:29:33.709
professional and, and,

00:29:34.229 --> 00:29:35.769
and working with professional athletes in

00:29:35.789 --> 00:29:36.911
that type of setting.

00:29:37.551 --> 00:29:39.573
So that'd be my second guy.

00:29:41.115 --> 00:29:42.295
Paul Shuren, I mentioned.

00:29:42.355 --> 00:29:44.017
So he's basically the one that was

00:29:44.057 --> 00:29:46.097
responsible for bringing me out,

00:29:46.138 --> 00:29:48.039
him and our medical director, Tom Oswald.

00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:49.621
So Paul, again,

00:29:49.661 --> 00:29:52.343
Paul's a legend in professional golf

00:29:52.383 --> 00:29:52.723
circles.

00:29:52.743 --> 00:29:54.365
There's not a professional golfer out here

00:29:54.384 --> 00:29:56.527
that hasn't come across Paul at some point

00:29:56.547 --> 00:29:59.068
in the last thirty seven years or so.

00:30:00.058 --> 00:30:02.040
Um, so that'd probably be my,

00:30:02.060 --> 00:30:03.000
my three there, I guess.

00:30:03.281 --> 00:30:03.481
All right.

00:30:03.521 --> 00:30:04.301
So that's your person.

00:30:04.342 --> 00:30:05.242
How about a place?

00:30:05.383 --> 00:30:06.263
I mean, you, we just,

00:30:06.284 --> 00:30:07.744
before we hit record, you were like, well,

00:30:07.765 --> 00:30:08.585
it's, you know, um,

00:30:09.046 --> 00:30:11.067
it's a Cozumel wrapping up the season,

00:30:11.346 --> 00:30:11.747
but how's it,

00:30:12.048 --> 00:30:13.608
how about a place that you just love

00:30:13.648 --> 00:30:14.128
working?

00:30:14.249 --> 00:30:15.630
Maybe it's even one of those places we

00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:16.290
wouldn't assume.

00:30:17.010 --> 00:30:19.512
Yeah, I think, um, I mean the,

00:30:19.553 --> 00:30:21.994
the annual pilgrimage to Augusta is pretty

00:30:22.035 --> 00:30:22.454
special.

00:30:22.714 --> 00:30:24.796
You know, I've done it this, this,

00:30:24.876 --> 00:30:25.916
I think was my.

00:30:26.176 --> 00:30:28.159
Twelfth or thirteenth trip to the masters.

00:30:28.808 --> 00:30:30.930
which I will never take that for granted.

00:30:30.990 --> 00:30:32.711
It's such a cool place.

00:30:33.651 --> 00:30:34.911
That's probably the easy answer.

00:30:35.692 --> 00:30:36.291
A couple of years ago,

00:30:36.332 --> 00:30:37.231
I got to bring my dad,

00:30:37.491 --> 00:30:38.472
which was incredible.

00:30:38.512 --> 00:30:40.053
He was like a kid at Disneyland,

00:30:40.093 --> 00:30:41.933
you know, so it was fun to walk,

00:30:42.134 --> 00:30:42.334
you know,

00:30:42.354 --> 00:30:43.694
walk to Amen Corner with my dad.

00:30:43.835 --> 00:30:44.275
That was a,

00:30:44.654 --> 00:30:46.236
that'll be a pretty special place for me.

00:30:47.675 --> 00:30:48.517
After Augusta,

00:30:48.557 --> 00:30:50.497
I think Pebble Beach is probably a very

00:30:50.537 --> 00:30:51.198
close second.

00:30:51.758 --> 00:30:53.137
Another magical place, you know,

00:30:53.278 --> 00:30:54.419
sitting out there on, on the,

00:30:54.957 --> 00:30:55.136
you know,

00:30:55.156 --> 00:30:56.897
by the eighth green or eighth tee box

00:30:56.978 --> 00:30:58.259
and seventh green there.

00:30:58.598 --> 00:31:00.199
Um, cool little spot.

00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:00.759
Uh,

00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.641
there's some grandstands that we spend

00:31:02.701 --> 00:31:04.540
time up there sitting in and, and,

00:31:04.801 --> 00:31:06.241
and solving the world's problems as a

00:31:06.281 --> 00:31:06.662
staff.

00:31:07.303 --> 00:31:07.863
Um, so,

00:31:07.942 --> 00:31:09.423
so Pebble and Augusta are probably the,

00:31:10.084 --> 00:31:11.324
the big two on that list.

00:31:11.664 --> 00:31:13.746
Um, and then some of the one-offs like,

00:31:13.905 --> 00:31:14.026
um,

00:31:14.306 --> 00:31:15.625
like Beth page for the Ryder cup was

00:31:15.645 --> 00:31:17.227
a really cool spot, you know,

00:31:17.247 --> 00:31:18.228
a couple months or last month.

00:31:18.948 --> 00:31:19.067
Um,

00:31:19.268 --> 00:31:20.769
we had a good time there just from

00:31:20.888 --> 00:31:22.229
a kind of different, you know, like,

00:31:22.650 --> 00:31:23.309
like if, if,

00:31:23.826 --> 00:31:26.727
augusta is like church beth page is like

00:31:27.106 --> 00:31:28.366
i don't know it's like you're at yankee

00:31:28.406 --> 00:31:31.167
stadium listening to the fans and stuff so

00:31:31.867 --> 00:31:34.067
um i'd put that up there um and

00:31:34.087 --> 00:31:36.648
then you know the three olympic venues so

00:31:36.769 --> 00:31:39.048
rio was awesome i had never been there

00:31:39.068 --> 00:31:41.329
before um tokyo i didn't get to see

00:31:41.369 --> 00:31:42.950
too much of just because of covid stuff

00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:44.931
but uh that was fun and then paris

00:31:44.971 --> 00:31:46.651
was incredible last year as you saw

00:31:47.744 --> 00:31:48.025
Love it.

00:31:48.085 --> 00:31:50.086
All right, and finally is a thing, person,

00:31:50.125 --> 00:31:51.227
place, and a thing.

00:31:51.767 --> 00:31:53.508
Is there a book, a podcast, resource?

00:31:53.647 --> 00:31:54.308
What would you say?

00:31:54.368 --> 00:31:55.189
Is there a textbook?

00:31:55.229 --> 00:31:58.111
Like if someone were you after that first

00:31:58.171 --> 00:31:59.592
long conversation, listen, kid,

00:31:59.612 --> 00:32:00.872
we're not going to hire you right now.

00:32:01.413 --> 00:32:02.633
Is there something they could just go to

00:32:03.032 --> 00:32:03.814
the library?

00:32:03.894 --> 00:32:05.575
Kids, a library is a building filled with,

00:32:05.654 --> 00:32:07.375
okay, yeah, or download, watch.

00:32:07.415 --> 00:32:08.916
What are the resources?

00:32:09.457 --> 00:32:10.998
Is there a thing you'd suggest to someone?

00:32:11.137 --> 00:32:14.839
Yeah, you know, I've kind of like,

00:32:16.047 --> 00:32:17.949
not necessarily physical therapy related,

00:32:17.969 --> 00:32:19.490
but I've been on this kind of leadership

00:32:19.589 --> 00:32:21.551
decision-making kick as far as my reading

00:32:21.571 --> 00:32:21.872
goes.

00:32:22.531 --> 00:32:24.673
Um, so I mean, some of those books,

00:32:24.874 --> 00:32:28.156
like, um, I read one now called, um,

00:32:29.337 --> 00:32:31.159
profiles and audacity.

00:32:31.398 --> 00:32:32.640
So it kind of goes through like a

00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:34.321
bunch of anecdotes over human history

00:32:34.382 --> 00:32:37.944
from, from Cleopatra to Truman and, uh,

00:32:38.765 --> 00:32:40.646
Elon Musk and, and, and guys like that,

00:32:40.666 --> 00:32:42.769
like what goes into some of these kind

00:32:42.808 --> 00:32:45.671
of, um, society changing, uh,

00:32:46.317 --> 00:32:47.518
decisions that they've made over the,

00:32:47.617 --> 00:32:48.178
over the years.

00:32:48.258 --> 00:32:51.240
And that's maybe not quite the same scope

00:32:51.421 --> 00:32:53.461
that we're talking about, but beyond that,

00:32:53.903 --> 00:32:55.263
I listened to a ton of podcasts,

00:32:55.284 --> 00:32:58.365
you know, PT podcasts included.

00:32:59.666 --> 00:33:00.827
If I feel like learning,

00:33:01.228 --> 00:33:03.450
I'll listen to Huberman or maybe Lex

00:33:03.490 --> 00:33:03.950
Friedman.

00:33:04.329 --> 00:33:05.310
If I feel like laughing,

00:33:05.351 --> 00:33:07.413
maybe it's Rogan or Theo Vaughn.

00:33:08.113 --> 00:33:09.634
I listened to some history podcasts,

00:33:09.653 --> 00:33:11.855
so definitely not PT related there,

00:33:11.875 --> 00:33:12.056
but

00:33:12.602 --> 00:33:14.663
That's my own personal interest.

00:33:14.682 --> 00:33:15.723
That's kind of what I'm looking at right

00:33:15.743 --> 00:33:15.844
now.

00:33:16.284 --> 00:33:16.463
All right.

00:33:16.503 --> 00:33:18.265
Three holes left on this nine hole on

00:33:18.285 --> 00:33:19.066
the front nine with Jason.

00:33:19.605 --> 00:33:20.626
Let's go down to the future.

00:33:20.666 --> 00:33:21.987
Now we get to sort of switch to

00:33:22.027 --> 00:33:24.348
the future.

00:33:24.909 --> 00:33:26.630
Where's golf performance PT heading?

00:33:27.089 --> 00:33:29.311
What should a young PT right now or

00:33:29.332 --> 00:33:31.353
somebody in school be doing now if they

00:33:31.393 --> 00:33:32.753
want to follow in your footsteps?

00:33:33.153 --> 00:33:34.314
What's the future of the profession

00:33:34.354 --> 00:33:34.535
really?

00:33:34.575 --> 00:33:35.835
I guess let's go with that big question.

00:33:35.855 --> 00:33:36.715
It's a pretty big question.

00:33:37.491 --> 00:33:39.333
Yeah, you know, I think at the upper,

00:33:39.373 --> 00:33:41.053
upper levels in professional sports,

00:33:41.093 --> 00:33:42.393
whether you're in football, baseball,

00:33:42.452 --> 00:33:43.534
golf, hockey, whatever,

00:33:44.473 --> 00:33:45.933
there's this kind of fusion that's taken

00:33:45.993 --> 00:33:50.215
place between linking like bio data and

00:33:50.855 --> 00:33:52.576
statistics and things like that with

00:33:52.635 --> 00:33:53.596
performance, right?

00:33:53.636 --> 00:33:55.376
So that's sort of where we're at now.

00:33:56.076 --> 00:33:58.597
We have partnerships with Whoop,

00:33:58.998 --> 00:33:59.538
for example.

00:33:59.557 --> 00:34:00.959
So we have a lot of golfers wearing

00:34:01.378 --> 00:34:01.999
Whoop bands.

00:34:03.030 --> 00:34:04.251
Um, we're about to announce,

00:34:04.271 --> 00:34:04.971
I can't say it yet,

00:34:04.991 --> 00:34:06.133
but we're about to announce another big

00:34:06.153 --> 00:34:09.195
partnership with a, a national level, um,

00:34:10.496 --> 00:34:11.817
uh, company that's going to, I think,

00:34:11.856 --> 00:34:13.237
help us with, you know, for,

00:34:13.438 --> 00:34:16.260
as an example, looking at HRV,

00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:16.820
for example,

00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.041
heart rate variance and how it relates to,

00:34:19.262 --> 00:34:21.362
to, uh, scoring average, for example.

00:34:21.382 --> 00:34:24.324
So maybe, yeah, maybe a golfer has, uh,

00:34:24.934 --> 00:34:25.914
as a tournament wears on,

00:34:25.954 --> 00:34:27.996
maybe the HRV gets worse and the scoring

00:34:28.016 --> 00:34:28.737
average goes down.

00:34:28.777 --> 00:34:29.797
I'm not saying that's the case,

00:34:29.856 --> 00:34:31.797
but I wouldn't be surprised if that was.

00:34:31.998 --> 00:34:33.798
Yeah, so that's one example.

00:34:33.838 --> 00:34:35.599
Like how can we link some of the

00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.201
wearable technology with how golfers are

00:34:38.240 --> 00:34:38.701
performing?

00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:40.601
And then is it even, you know,

00:34:40.621 --> 00:34:41.322
so here's the data.

00:34:41.382 --> 00:34:42.422
Is it even correctable?

00:34:42.983 --> 00:34:43.702
You know, for example,

00:34:43.722 --> 00:34:46.605
maybe the golfer has a weekly tradition of

00:34:46.684 --> 00:34:48.485
going out drinking Saturday night and then

00:34:48.965 --> 00:34:50.525
they try to go play golf on Sunday.

00:34:50.545 --> 00:34:50.907
And again,

00:34:51.246 --> 00:34:52.887
that's becoming fewer and further between.

00:34:52.907 --> 00:34:53.927
I bet, I bet.

00:34:54.528 --> 00:34:55.949
as the purses have gone up, the,

00:34:56.550 --> 00:34:58.409
the golfers are taking things a lot more

00:34:58.429 --> 00:34:59.869
seriously in terms of their recovery and

00:34:59.889 --> 00:35:00.269
whatnot.

00:35:01.030 --> 00:35:03.090
But, you know, it's not an easy,

00:35:03.251 --> 00:35:04.931
it's not a difficult step to take.

00:35:04.952 --> 00:35:07.012
I don't think to think that what we

00:35:07.032 --> 00:35:08.811
do after a round will affect how we

00:35:08.851 --> 00:35:10.273
feel and how we perform the next day.

00:35:10.693 --> 00:35:12.273
So I think that's probably kind of where,

00:35:12.532 --> 00:35:14.313
where some of our program is going.

00:35:14.474 --> 00:35:18.315
You know, like people ask me about AI.

00:35:18.974 --> 00:35:19.295
I don't know.

00:35:19.315 --> 00:35:19.735
I'm kind of,

00:35:20.563 --> 00:35:21.123
I'm forty eight.

00:35:21.182 --> 00:35:23.764
You're like, I'm an old,

00:35:24.324 --> 00:35:25.485
old rooster when it comes to that kind

00:35:25.505 --> 00:35:25.905
of stuff.

00:35:25.925 --> 00:35:27.106
So I think there is a place,

00:35:27.186 --> 00:35:28.387
I guess, probably, you know,

00:35:28.407 --> 00:35:30.047
some AI data can kind of pour through

00:35:30.068 --> 00:35:31.527
some of the things we just talked about.

00:35:31.547 --> 00:35:33.949
I had a really interesting conversation.

00:35:33.969 --> 00:35:34.989
This is probably a couple of years ago

00:35:35.030 --> 00:35:36.951
now with one of our golfers, Adam Scott,

00:35:37.610 --> 00:35:38.851
who, as you know,

00:35:38.891 --> 00:35:40.592
he's been really good for a really long

00:35:40.632 --> 00:35:40.813
time.

00:35:40.833 --> 00:35:42.293
He takes really good care of his body.

00:35:42.673 --> 00:35:45.375
But we were talking about the idea that.

00:35:46.012 --> 00:35:47.614
PGA tour golfers seem to be getting

00:35:47.653 --> 00:35:48.355
younger and younger.

00:35:48.394 --> 00:35:50.436
There's some stats that prove or kind of

00:35:50.456 --> 00:35:50.956
bear that out.

00:35:50.996 --> 00:35:52.878
Like guys are winning faster.

00:35:52.938 --> 00:35:53.197
They're,

00:35:53.657 --> 00:35:55.318
they're keeping their cards quicker.

00:35:55.338 --> 00:35:55.780
You know, there's,

00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.860
there's obviously a lot of turnover and

00:35:57.900 --> 00:35:59.902
whatnot, but you would see guys winning,

00:35:59.922 --> 00:36:00.503
you know,

00:36:00.523 --> 00:36:02.963
Michael Brennan one is I think the second

00:36:02.983 --> 00:36:04.545
or third start a couple of weeks ago

00:36:04.565 --> 00:36:06.547
in Utah on a sponsor invite.

00:36:07.086 --> 00:36:08.628
And that, that was pretty rare before.

00:36:08.847 --> 00:36:10.809
And my conversation with Adam was

00:36:10.849 --> 00:36:11.170
basically,

00:36:11.190 --> 00:36:12.971
we were talking about statistics and, and,

00:36:13.521 --> 00:36:15.023
he said when he started back in the

00:36:15.643 --> 00:36:17.003
late nineties, early two thousands,

00:36:17.543 --> 00:36:18.925
they didn't have nearly as many statistics

00:36:18.965 --> 00:36:19.324
available.

00:36:19.346 --> 00:36:20.965
So it took him, you know,

00:36:20.985 --> 00:36:23.148
the better part of his first season to

00:36:23.188 --> 00:36:25.048
realize he was a really bad long iron

00:36:25.088 --> 00:36:26.550
player at the time.

00:36:26.630 --> 00:36:26.829
Right.

00:36:26.869 --> 00:36:28.251
So, you know,

00:36:28.291 --> 00:36:29.512
say eight months into the season,

00:36:29.532 --> 00:36:30.211
it's like, man, I,

00:36:30.572 --> 00:36:31.873
I can't hit a five iron compared to

00:36:31.913 --> 00:36:32.353
the other guys.

00:36:32.393 --> 00:36:34.414
There was nothing statistically that he

00:36:34.454 --> 00:36:35.934
could look at to bear that out.

00:36:36.436 --> 00:36:36.715
So he said,

00:36:36.735 --> 00:36:38.416
then it took another six months to really

00:36:38.456 --> 00:36:40.217
work on over the off season and stuff.

00:36:40.257 --> 00:36:40.338
And,

00:36:40.918 --> 00:36:42.679
work on his long irons to where all

00:36:42.699 --> 00:36:44.021
of a sudden they weren't a weakness and

00:36:44.201 --> 00:36:44.981
maybe not a strength,

00:36:45.001 --> 00:36:46.282
but like at least it was a push.

00:36:46.822 --> 00:36:48.623
He said that the whole process, you know,

00:36:48.704 --> 00:36:49.324
at the time was,

00:36:49.445 --> 00:36:50.465
it took him a year and a half.

00:36:50.945 --> 00:36:53.106
He goes now three or four tournaments into

00:36:53.126 --> 00:36:53.827
your rookie year,

00:36:53.867 --> 00:36:55.469
you can look at every statistic on the

00:36:55.509 --> 00:36:58.250
PGA tours website and you can see I'm

00:36:58.269 --> 00:37:00.851
ranked one eighty fifth on one seventy

00:37:00.891 --> 00:37:02.172
five to two hundred yards out.

00:37:02.512 --> 00:37:05.335
And so within three or four tournaments,

00:37:05.715 --> 00:37:07.916
yeah, everything club at speed, you know,

00:37:07.936 --> 00:37:08.137
whatever.

00:37:08.786 --> 00:37:10.367
And so now you can identify those

00:37:10.407 --> 00:37:12.568
weaknesses very early in the process and

00:37:13.048 --> 00:37:14.449
kind of arrange your,

00:37:14.630 --> 00:37:15.951
whether it's your fitness program or your

00:37:15.990 --> 00:37:18.652
practice sessions or whatever to address

00:37:18.672 --> 00:37:19.432
those weaknesses.

00:37:20.014 --> 00:37:21.635
Now, instead of a year and a half,

00:37:21.695 --> 00:37:23.255
now it might be two or three months.

00:37:23.396 --> 00:37:24.976
And so that's one way.

00:37:25.137 --> 00:37:27.139
And I think probably in college,

00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:28.800
college level guys are already doing that.

00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:30.521
You know, they can, they can track,

00:37:31.101 --> 00:37:31.260
you know,

00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:32.902
club head speed and things like that with

00:37:32.922 --> 00:37:33.603
their track man.

00:37:33.663 --> 00:37:35.563
And maybe the statistics aren't quite the

00:37:35.603 --> 00:37:36.605
same as they are on the tour,

00:37:36.644 --> 00:37:37.865
but the point is,

00:37:38.432 --> 00:37:40.893
using statistics to kind of objectively

00:37:40.954 --> 00:37:43.295
identify weaknesses and then address those

00:37:43.315 --> 00:37:43.855
weaknesses.

00:37:43.894 --> 00:37:44.054
Again,

00:37:44.094 --> 00:37:45.115
whether it's in the gym or on the

00:37:45.175 --> 00:37:47.297
range or whatever, the process, um,

00:37:47.356 --> 00:37:47.697
is a lot,

00:37:47.996 --> 00:37:49.237
I think a lot faster than it used

00:37:49.257 --> 00:37:49.577
to be.

00:37:49.818 --> 00:37:50.257
Wow.

00:37:50.277 --> 00:37:51.177
Things are just speeding up.

00:37:51.217 --> 00:37:51.398
All right.

00:37:51.418 --> 00:37:52.057
Two holes left.

00:37:52.898 --> 00:37:53.798
Uh, eighth hole here.

00:37:53.958 --> 00:37:55.219
Anything I didn't ask,

00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:57.320
but should have anything you usually say,

00:37:57.340 --> 00:37:58.780
but I didn't, I didn't tee you up.

00:37:58.820 --> 00:37:59.420
See what I did there.

00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:01.302
Tee you up to answer it.

00:38:01.942 --> 00:38:02.282
Man.

00:38:02.302 --> 00:38:03.443
I don't know.

00:38:03.463 --> 00:38:04.603
We've talked a lot about a lot of

00:38:04.643 --> 00:38:05.244
different stuff.

00:38:05.884 --> 00:38:05.923
Um,

00:38:08.065 --> 00:38:11.509
Gosh, I think advice to young PTs,

00:38:11.548 --> 00:38:12.570
if you want to throw it out there,

00:38:13.811 --> 00:38:14.530
you got to go get it.

00:38:14.630 --> 00:38:15.512
You know, nobody's going to,

00:38:15.871 --> 00:38:17.213
nobody's going to knock on your door.

00:38:17.793 --> 00:38:20.356
I think maybe naively or arrogantly,

00:38:20.396 --> 00:38:21.097
I thought like,

00:38:21.416 --> 00:38:22.898
I'm just going to show up and athletes

00:38:22.918 --> 00:38:24.119
are gonna be banging on my door to

00:38:24.358 --> 00:38:26.141
come see me, but nobody cares.

00:38:26.260 --> 00:38:27.461
Like in the real world,

00:38:27.521 --> 00:38:28.902
you got to go out there and get

00:38:28.943 --> 00:38:29.364
it, you know?

00:38:29.403 --> 00:38:30.625
So that's what I'd tell.

00:38:30.684 --> 00:38:30.864
Yeah.

00:38:30.965 --> 00:38:32.565
Young, young, young PTs.

00:38:32.626 --> 00:38:34.648
And maybe if you're looking at an older

00:38:34.668 --> 00:38:36.009
PT looking to make a change, like,

00:38:36.632 --> 00:38:39.695
You can't just expect someone to pick up

00:38:39.715 --> 00:38:40.376
the phone and call you.

00:38:40.396 --> 00:38:40.576
Hey,

00:38:40.596 --> 00:38:41.577
you want to come work for the LA

00:38:41.617 --> 00:38:41.936
Rams?

00:38:41.956 --> 00:38:42.918
You want to come work for the tour?

00:38:43.338 --> 00:38:43.998
You got to reach out.

00:38:44.018 --> 00:38:44.798
You got to network.

00:38:44.878 --> 00:38:46.840
You got to do your Con Ed stuff.

00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.822
And that's a great way to meet PTs

00:38:49.882 --> 00:38:54.085
and other decision makers is doing a local

00:38:54.106 --> 00:38:56.527
Con Ed course or whatever and going out

00:38:56.547 --> 00:38:57.009
there and get it.

00:38:57.048 --> 00:38:57.309
And then

00:38:57.827 --> 00:38:57.987
you know,

00:38:58.007 --> 00:38:59.648
the kind of the balance between being

00:38:59.688 --> 00:39:01.349
ambitious, but also being patient,

00:39:01.389 --> 00:39:02.489
you know,

00:39:02.568 --> 00:39:03.929
I think you got to have to have

00:39:03.989 --> 00:39:04.730
a little bit of both.

00:39:04.750 --> 00:39:05.949
You know, if you're too ambitious,

00:39:05.969 --> 00:39:07.050
you can kind of rub people the wrong

00:39:07.090 --> 00:39:08.170
way.

00:39:08.210 --> 00:39:09.251
If you're too patient,

00:39:09.291 --> 00:39:11.713
then maybe you're not motivated enough to

00:39:11.733 --> 00:39:12.012
get it.

00:39:12.353 --> 00:39:13.353
So finding that balance,

00:39:13.373 --> 00:39:14.074
there's a big deal.

00:39:14.534 --> 00:39:14.713
Yeah.

00:39:14.873 --> 00:39:15.094
Love it.

00:39:15.114 --> 00:39:15.293
All right.

00:39:15.313 --> 00:39:16.795
Ninth hole is something we do on every

00:39:16.815 --> 00:39:17.094
episode.

00:39:17.114 --> 00:39:18.036
We call it the parting shot.

00:39:18.076 --> 00:39:19.396
What do you, what's the last thing,

00:39:19.456 --> 00:39:21.177
the idea, concept, quote, whatever,

00:39:21.496 --> 00:39:22.356
what do you want to leave with the

00:39:22.398 --> 00:39:22.617
audience?

00:39:22.657 --> 00:39:22.958
Here's your,

00:39:23.297 --> 00:39:24.697
here's your flop shot and your gimme,

00:39:24.878 --> 00:39:25.639
what's your parting shot?

00:39:26.297 --> 00:39:26.476
Yeah,

00:39:26.496 --> 00:39:28.418
I would say maybe shout out to our

00:39:28.458 --> 00:39:28.880
staff.

00:39:28.980 --> 00:39:29.199
You know,

00:39:29.219 --> 00:39:31.061
we have a really good crew right now.

00:39:31.081 --> 00:39:32.483
You said there's six of you.

00:39:34.144 --> 00:39:35.766
Yeah, so we have more than six.

00:39:35.786 --> 00:39:36.967
There's just six at every event,

00:39:37.007 --> 00:39:39.070
and we obviously don't work every event.

00:39:39.190 --> 00:39:41.291
So we have a good group of PTs

00:39:41.331 --> 00:39:41.773
right now.

00:39:41.813 --> 00:39:43.894
So Corey Hugg has been out there the

00:39:43.934 --> 00:39:44.916
second longest after me.

00:39:45.076 --> 00:39:46.757
So Corey's been out for, I think, gosh,

00:39:46.777 --> 00:39:47.598
probably –

00:39:48.289 --> 00:39:49.552
years now, or fourteen years.

00:39:50.693 --> 00:39:53.655
Digby Watt, PT, South African PT,

00:39:53.675 --> 00:39:54.936
lives in North Carolina,

00:39:55.016 --> 00:39:55.878
so shout out to Digby.

00:39:56.277 --> 00:39:57.378
He and I started at the same time,

00:39:57.458 --> 00:39:58.639
and he kind of left and came back.

00:39:59.581 --> 00:40:00.922
And we have some newer guys,

00:40:01.722 --> 00:40:03.565
Chris O'Neill, Jason Waddles,

00:40:04.186 --> 00:40:06.728
Johnny Eichner, Kyle Yamashiro,

00:40:07.208 --> 00:40:07.949
Frank Wang.

00:40:08.951 --> 00:40:10.271
Those are all the guys on our staff,

00:40:10.331 --> 00:40:10.391
and

00:40:10.748 --> 00:40:11.947
I didn't mention, I should have mentioned,

00:40:11.967 --> 00:40:12.489
so we cover,

00:40:12.528 --> 00:40:14.208
our staff covers the Corn Fairy Tour,

00:40:14.668 --> 00:40:16.269
the PGA Tour, and the Champions Tour.

00:40:16.329 --> 00:40:18.190
Wow, that's a lot of events, man.

00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:19.371
Yeah, last I counted,

00:40:19.391 --> 00:40:21.032
I think we had forty-four, I think,

00:40:21.152 --> 00:40:21.831
on the PGA Tour,

00:40:21.851 --> 00:40:24.413
and then with the Champions Tour and Corn

00:40:24.432 --> 00:40:25.432
Fairy Tour together,

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it's almost a hundred events,

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pretty close to it, so...

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pretty much every week from January one

00:40:30.675 --> 00:40:32.255
to, to this week is,

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is our last tournament.

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Um,

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there's at least probably two tournaments

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going on.

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Sometimes there's three,

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sometimes there might be four cause we

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have maybe an opposite field event.

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So, you know,

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one group of guys is in Orlando.

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The other group is in Puerto Rico, um,

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champions tours going corn prairie tours

00:40:46.784 --> 00:40:47.125
going.

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So, I mean,

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it's sort of all hands on deck at

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that point, but shout out to our staff.

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Um, great, great group of guys.

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Those are just the PTs that name we

00:40:54.829 --> 00:40:56.110
have trainers and Kairos as well.

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Um, so, um,

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Yeah,

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definitely love working with our guys,

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and it's been a long time,

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but they keep me coming back.

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Love it.

00:41:03.362 --> 00:41:04.684
Jason, appreciate the insight.

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Thanks for playing Nine Holes with us.

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If this was useful,

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drop it in the comments.

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Maybe we'll look into some other pros,

00:41:11.929 --> 00:41:14.452
and we're looking forward to having Jason

00:41:14.472 --> 00:41:15.753
back on the show when you hit the

00:41:15.773 --> 00:41:16.012
tour.

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Take some time off,

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work on your own game, get some downtime,

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get relaxed.

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We'll talk to you again soon, Jason.

00:41:21.677 --> 00:41:22.117
Appreciate it.

00:41:22.137 --> 00:41:23.579
Yeah, sounds good, man.

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Thanks.