Most PTs Are Failing Runners — Here’s How to Fix It

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Here's your host, Jimmy McKay.

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All right,

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even mildly perturbed.

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Do you understand how hard that is?

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So kick the tires.

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Let them walk you through the workflow.

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Because this is the piece of software that

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you fortunately, unfortunately,

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will be interacting with more than

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probably the text message app on your

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phone.

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And all the clinicians are going, yeah,

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it's kind of true.

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Sharif and the team over at Empower.

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Our guest today has built a clinic in

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the heart of New York City that runners

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call home.

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Yes, runners run New York.

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And he's not just treating injuries.

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He's reshaping how PTs think about

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performance and long-term health,

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from founding a running-focused education

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company to building a brand trusted by

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clinicians and athletes alike.

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He's teaching PTs to think bigger and

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train smarter in,

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am I supposed to be unbiased?

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The greatest city in the world.

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I said it.

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You can agree with me or not.

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I'm a New Yorker.

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Fight me in the comments.

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Vikash Sharma, welcome to the show,

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my man.

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I appreciate you having me, Jimmy.

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Gotham City, man.

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That's a great... I mean, good for you.

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I've known people who've had clinics in

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New York City.

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Simple because, hey,

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there's lots of people.

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Just not easy because, dude,

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New York has its own gravity.

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It's got its own physics.

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So whatever you think New York is about,

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go live there for a little while and

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all of a sudden you start to see

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the world.

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It's just different.

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It's different, right?

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Yeah.

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Many,

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many different levels to New York City for

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sure.

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Right.

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I think even for me now,

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I've been here for fifteen years.

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Good for you.

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Once you think you have something figured

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out.

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Right.

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Like the landscape of the city just shifts

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even pre post-COVID.

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Right.

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There's just been a huge change in the

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landscape of the city and even how we

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do business.

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You've kind of had to change the process

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a little bit, too.

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Where are you in the city?

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Just to give people some context, like,

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you know, the city's not a small city.

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Where in the city are you?

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Yeah.

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So we're right in the heart of Union

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Square, thirty two Union Square East.

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Right.

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Like right in like pretty much, you know,

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like right in the center of it.

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All the train lines come into us.

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The buses all funnel into us.

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So very,

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very convenient for people to get to us

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where we are.

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I've had lunch in that park in Union

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Square Park.

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It's very nice there.

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So you say rehab is performance.

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I love when people make bold statements.

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I love it.

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What do most people get wrong about

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separating those two ideas when you say

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they are they should be tied?

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They should be together.

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Help me understand that.

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No, a hundred percent.

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You know, I think kind of, you know,

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I think the past few years,

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there's been a big push with that too,

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right?

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I think there's,

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I'm sure obviously with you talking to

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people,

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getting a pulse of the industry too,

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you see this a little bit more, right?

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People are starting to bridge that gap.

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When I first started, you know,

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when I first started PTing back in like,

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two thousand eleven, twelve,

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like once again,

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landscape was so different, right?

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Like somebody would just get out of pain

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and it would be like a little pat

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on the butt out the clinic, like,

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all right, we're done here, you know?

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And then you'd see them a couple of

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weeks later because they were like, well,

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you know,

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I started to try to do this thing.

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I went back in the gym,

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I started running again.

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So we were never really equipping them to

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meet the demands of, you know, life,

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of what they were trying to do.

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So I think, you know,

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as time has gone by,

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the profession has gotten better.

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And I think the other thing too was

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before as well, right?

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The profession,

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did a really poor job.

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I mean, it still does,

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I think of marketing itself.

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And also as like thinking from a business

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standpoint, you know,

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we were probably one of the few industries

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where you had raving fans that like loved

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what you did,

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were coming in consistently to see you and

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you were not giving them any options to

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work with you further.

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Yes.

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You know,

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you worked yourself out of a job,

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which is cool.

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Well,

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you've worked yourself out of a problem.

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The next question should be,

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do you have any other problems?

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Tell me all of your problems.

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And oh, look at that.

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I can help with this one and that

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one.

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Let me now turn you over here.

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So yes, agreed.

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Agreed on that one.

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Right.

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So, yeah,

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I think that was like a huge problem.

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And I think, you know,

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people getting a little bit more business

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savvy, starting to realize like, you know,

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hey, as a PT,

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I am perfectly positioned to help you,

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especially now that I've like worked with

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you for so long.

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I know every little nook and cranny of,

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you know, your body, how you move,

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what you're like, you know,

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preferences are, what your dislikes are,

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your personality.

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I've developed rapport with you.

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I was going to say,

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and they know you.

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Yeah.

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And they like you might like you enough

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to want to spend more time with you

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if you can.

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So I was so jealous of it's going

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to sound like I'm telling a parallel story

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or I am telling a parallel story,

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but I was so jealous of my cousin

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when he bought his house.

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He had this guy down the street that

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was like a handyman and they had such

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a great relationship.

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He hired him to put a door in.

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And the handyman was smart enough to be

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like, what's up with that step?

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It's sort of like it's loose.

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And he's like, I can fix that.

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My cousin was like, dude,

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I don't know how to fix that.

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So he just became his super.

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If you're in New York,

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super is the guy who fixes everything.

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Super comes with the building.

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But that added value.

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And you can change my cousin's house to

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your goals, your body being the house,

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which supposedly we're still going to get

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one of these, right?

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And then I love the fact that you

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highlight the fact that somewhere along

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the lines, I don't know where it happened,

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but we became more savvy that we can

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solve more than one problem.

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We're more than just a cog in a

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process.

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Yeah, no, a hundred percent.

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Right.

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So I think, you know,

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the industry is definitely starting to

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shift in that direction.

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You're hearing more people kind of like,

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you know,

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starting to catch on and talk about that,

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you know?

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So I think now,

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even knowing to know before it was kind

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of like, you know,

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you would see your performance physical

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therapy clinics would be the ones that

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would be kind of the only ones where

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you'd be able to do this.

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You're starting to see like a lot of

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your

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know cookie cutter franchise high volume

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clinics also starting to realize this and

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kind of get on the bandwagon a little

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bit more but you know i think it's

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something where it just makes so much

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sense and it really kind of like starts

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to help bridge that gap in health care

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where you know like there is a big

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disconnect a lot of times between mds and

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pts a lot of times there's a big

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disconnect between pts and personal

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training performance as well so i think

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you know either pts

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getting on board a little bit more and

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understanding a little bit more about kind

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of like performance or also just,

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you know,

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developing the right relationships and

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making sure that that patient is

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continuing on and kind of getting the

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right course of care to meet their goals

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is really important.

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And, you know,

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I think there's this more of a landscape

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shift at Perfect Stride, even like,

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you know, like all of our clinicians here,

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we always talk to people about

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you know, your health ecosystem.

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Right.

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It's just the simplest thing that you can

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talk to people about.

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Just ask a few questions like how many

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hours of the night do you sleep?

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Right.

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Like zero to ten nutrition score,

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zero to ten stress score.

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It's just those super low hanging fruits

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that can just make such a big difference

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when we're thinking about

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rehab overall performance and providing

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more value to the client and also working

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with them on a more long-term capacity.

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What are your goals, tens, twenty, thirty,

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forty years from now?

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Yeah.

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Why do you think so many people in

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our profession are missing the mark or

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they could be doing something more

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impactful long-term with people's health?

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Is it necessity is the mother of

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invention?

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You're in New York.

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Somebody once famous said,

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if you can make it there,

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you can make it anywhere.

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But the people who make it there typically

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get real creative and real crafty because

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there's no one to come and rescue you,

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especially in the timeframe.

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There's not a lot of breathing room in

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New York, which is part of the appeal,

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but also part of the part that makes

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it.

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So why do you think so many PTs

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are maybe missing the mark or could be

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doing better impacting long-term health?

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Yeah, I mean,

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I think it's a great question.

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I think a lot of it kind of

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just goes back to

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our education, right?

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You go back to PT school and I

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think, you know,

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every PT always talks about this too,

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right?

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Like how much do you actually get educated

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on like the business of PT?

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Right.

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I mean,

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I think I know we had like a

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little mini-mester for the month of

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December.

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You have to have like X amount of

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minutes or whatever.

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How would they measure that for

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accreditation?

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But

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Not a lot.

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I mean, I would also say like,

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where are you going to put it?

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Right.

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I want to get the hell out of

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here.

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Where is it going to go?

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But yes, it is important to know.

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You got to know it.

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Even if you're not going to run a

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business,

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you're going to be in one no matter

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where you go.

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Got to know this.

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Got to know the physics.

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No, a hundred percent.

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And I think the other part of it

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comes down to like, you know,

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being able to provide continued value.

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Right.

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I think from PT school,

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we're kind of taught like, yeah, you're,

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you know, you are a physical therapist.

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You help people overcome injuries, period.

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And I think when you're starting to think

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a little bit more now from the standpoint

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of just providing more value,

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thinking about things a little bit more

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from the standpoint of a business,

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thinking a little bit more of a standpoint

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from how can I maximally benefit this

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individual that's in front of me?

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I think that's where the disconnect is.

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Like people kind of just have that like

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hard stop at rehab and they don't realize

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the value.

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Either they don't have the skill set or

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they don't realize they can continue to

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keep providing value beyond just like kind

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of like the concern or the injury that

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somebody is coming in for.

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I agree with you, though.

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I think the.

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And the mindset, the mean, median mode,

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I can't remember which,

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the middle of our profession is now

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starting to say, oh, yeah,

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we can do this.

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And why aren't we?

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I think more people are asking, hey,

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I'm not doing this.

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Why aren't I?

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What's a good reason for me not to

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doing it?

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And I think a lot of people don't

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have a good reason.

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So they start doing it.

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And that's a great way to grow.

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What foundational knowledge are clinicians

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lacking right now?

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Let's give it,

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we have to give it context.

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What foundational knowledge are,

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PT is coming out of school,

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lacking when it comes to treating runners.

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There's only so much and PT school is

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variable because you might have a

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professor who specializes in spinal cord

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injury.

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So you're going to get a little more

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spinal cord and you're going to get

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something deeper.

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So maybe they've gotten the surface

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superficial level of running and treating

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a runner.

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Where are they lacking and how do they

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improve that lack?

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How do they get more?

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Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.

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That's literally why I launched Running

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for Life, our continuing education course,

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right?

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It's trying to help clinicians better

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bridge that gap a little bit more because

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that's what I just saw so much of

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is that perfect stride.

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We would see so many clients coming to

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us

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from you know from other other facilities

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where you know it would be that same

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scenario of like you know my pain was

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gone um and i would try to get

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back to training but the individual i was

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working with doesn't really fully

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understand the demands of training so i

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think that's really where the biggest gap

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is with a lot of uh new grads

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are actually you know more specifically i

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think pts that just don't maybe run

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themselves as well right there's just a

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whole complex

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you know,

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series of things that you have to think

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about.

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And this is with any sport too, right?

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Like if you're going to go see,

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if you're like a, you know,

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a baseball player,

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like you're going to be better off seeing

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somebody who understands the demands of

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that sport a little bit better.

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So I think with PTs,

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that big gap is kind of understanding

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you know,

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the training demands of a runner, right?

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Like understanding how does footwear

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impact that?

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How do I return somebody safely back to

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running?

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And like understanding that sixty,

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seventy, eighty,

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a hundred plus miles a week isn't crazy.

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That's normal for the people who have

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consistently been doing that for the years

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and earn the right to be there and

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do that as well, too.

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And then understanding how to program

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that, right?

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Like how do different paces of runs

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influence physiology?

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How do they influence performance?

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How do they influence tissue demands?

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So I think there's just a lot of

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nuances to that that just don't really get

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considered.

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And that's where there was a big lacking

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in the knowledge.

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I went to a friend whose kids do

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dance, not just dance,

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a very specific kind of dance.

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And I never knew there were forty nine

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different kinds.

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There's a million kinds of dance.

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Right.

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And I remember she was I was going

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to go to a dance competition with her

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and the kids.

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And the idea there was she was like

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bracing me for this is a little crazy.

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It's a little weird.

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There's, you know,

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it's dance and there's judges and there's

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coaches, there's dance parents.

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And and then we went there and I

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am a runner.

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And we got there and I was like,

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yeah, the outfits are different.

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This is a race.

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This is a race.

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This is a triathlon.

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It's all the same kind of weird.

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There's a different language.

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There's a different expectation.

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Like a kid dancing for Irish step dance.

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them dancing X number of hours a week,

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what they were doing.

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They're like, I know it's probably crazy.

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I was like, have you seen runners?

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Have you seen cyclists?

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Have you seen swimmers?

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Have you seen tennis players?

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Everybody thinks they're this own little

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weird niche and they are.

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It's just, it's a different kind of weird.

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It's choose your heart.

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It's,

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it's these things and not knowing the

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language,

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not knowing the intricacies of

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you're missing that mark.

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You've skipped one of the very first parts

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of being, in my opinion, a good clinician.

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You have to achieve understanding.

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Can you be a great running PT and

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not be a runner?

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I think you probably could,

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but you still got to know a lot.

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You don't have to actually do the thing.

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I don't know.

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What do you think?

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You're the expert.

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Am I wrong?

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No, I think I'm a hundred percent.

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There's plenty of great coaches out there,

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you know, that, that don't,

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don't run themselves.

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It's just like, you know, they,

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they do what they do and they do

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it really well.

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Right.

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They've like dedicated a large majority of

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time to understanding this,

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perfecting their craft,

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understanding the nuances of it.

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So I don't think you necessarily have to

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be,

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I think sometimes it can help a little

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bit, even a lot of my clinicians here,

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right?

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Like they don't, they,

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they're not necessarily runners,

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but I'll tell them, Hey, you know what?

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Like what I'd love for you to do

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is just

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get the experience,

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like go train for one half marathon,

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just go through the experience,

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understand the little like demands of it,

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understand like, you know,

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the things that you find difficult,

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understand just like the little things

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about like lining up in the corrals on

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race day, like, you know,

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the feeling of that, like, right.

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Yeah.

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So I think just kind of having that,

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like, you know,

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a couple of little experiences,

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you don't have to be a runner.

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And I think the more you're just dedicated

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to understanding that and, you know,

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educating yourself, that's like where,

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you know,

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that's where it really comes down to.

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I think step one,

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and I think I told this to a

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student just this past weekend at an APTA

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New Jersey event was,

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if you want to build rapport,

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step one is,

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Make sure the other person can feel that

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you're interested.

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And step one in interested is,

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are you asking questions?

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Yes.

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Are they the right questions?

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They would say there's no stupid

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questions.

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That's fine.

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I think there are, but keep going.

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There are the wrong questions.

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I always appreciated when a good coach or

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a good fellow PT,

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after I had a race, they would,

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in my opinion, it's all opinions,

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all subjective.

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one of the right questions after a race

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is, how'd you feel?

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Instead of what was your time or where'd

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you place?

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Those are down the line.

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You can ask those things.

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How'd you feel?

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Like to me,

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it's so open-ended and gets the person

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talking about whatever they think is most

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important.

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So how'd you feel?

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And then shut up.

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They're going to tell you where either the

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bads or the goods were from that race

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or that experience.

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And I love when I hear people answer

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that question.

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How'd you feel?

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And they're like, oh,

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No, that's spot on.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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Always, uh, like always kind of have like,

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I love that quote too, right?

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Two ears, one mouth.

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Yeah.

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Use it proportionally.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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A hundred percent.

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Right.

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The more you just sit there,

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like the more you kind of just find

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those right questions to ask,

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like everything you need to know will be

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kind of, we'll come to you, you know?

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magically the right information shows up

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that was always so amazed when I was

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in like a student and I'd watch maybe

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it wasn't always my CI but it was

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other clinicians in the room and you're

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watching whose style and you're like oh

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all these people are PTs that's the same

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thing they're all doing it so differently

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and then watching some PTs who would I

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don't like barely talk

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They'd just be so efficient with their

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words,

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not because they didn't want to talk,

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but they understood using six words

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instead of sixty six words was their

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version of better.

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And I was like, huh, that's interesting.

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They're all doing the same thing that

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you're doing it so differently.

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It was cool.

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There's no right.

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There was just right for you kind of

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idea.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And I think then part of it, too,

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comes down to something I always like

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mentioned,

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especially to a lot of like my newer

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grads is right.

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Like as a PT,

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our role is to like be that chameleon,

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right?

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Like each and every individual that's in

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front of us is going to have a

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different story,

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a different learning style.

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And you just have to be a chameleon

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and be able to understand that individual

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and then being able to adapt to those

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things that are best suited for that

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individual, too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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People want to be opposite.

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People want to be seen,

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heard and understood.

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So that's the idea there.

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let's talk strength when i started running

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uh i didn't have to take a test

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i just bought shoes and i literally just

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went outside i was like i don't know

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uh i ran in gym class didn't really

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know what i was doing but i decided

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somewhere along the lines i was gonna be

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a runner i'm using air quotes and then

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i just like ran for a while and

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then i was like i feel like i'm

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done and along my running journey um this

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is way before i was ever looking at

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pt i didn't i looked at like so

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if i want to be better at running

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i should do more running

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And strength now, looking back, is like,

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well, I was a little stronger.

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Running might have been different, right?

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Yeah.

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Why is resistance training so often

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overlooked for people like me or people

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even not like me who do that?

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And what can PTs do better?

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So first of all,

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why do people like me who are just

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like, I don't know,

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I just bought sneakers.

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Now I'm a runner.

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I've just decided.

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Why do we often overlook that for runners?

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And how can PTs,

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to use your phrase before,

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bridge that gap?

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Yeah, I mean,

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I think a lot of it does go

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back to, you know,

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just the industry and education itself.

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I think previously there wasn't really

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much of an emphasis placed on it.

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Like, you know,

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the research wasn't necessarily there kind

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of like, you know,

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to kind of support that claim a little

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bit more.

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But I think in the past decade,

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fifteen years,

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there's been more and more research coming

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out,

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more and more like systematic reviews,

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meta analysis that are kind of supporting

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those claims about strength training,

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helping reduce injury risk,

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helping improve running economy.

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So I think now more and more people

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are getting behind that, too, as well.

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So I think that was first kind of

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where that's where people were missing the

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mark a little bit.

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um and then you know now it's just

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kind of i think that the tough part

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for a lot of runners also is is

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like you know hey i i'm a average

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joe i'm not a professional runner that

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does this for you know for income i

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have a job so i'm working x amount

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of hours i have you know like whatever

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it might be i have a significant other

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i have a social network

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I have children and then I'm trying to

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run a marathon and you're telling me I

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need to run four to five times a

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week maybe.

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And now you're telling me I need to

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also strength train as well, right?

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So I think that's part of where also

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it's just like, you know,

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that part of it makes it tough for

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people where it's like another layer and

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complexity to the puzzle of having to

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figure out where do I put this into

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the mix as well.

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So I think that kind of was also

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like a very big limiting factor for people

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on top of that too.

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And usually that's the first thing that

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falls, you know?

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So that's something I think,

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we really work strategically with that

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perfect stride with a lot of our runners

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is understanding that like hey there might

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be ideal this is what the research says

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right like yeah and we we understand that

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and that's an ideal scenario but let's get

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realistic and understand like where you

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are what time do you have to offer

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what are your life demands

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And then how do we work with you?

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Right.

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So like maybe as the demands of training

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for running go up a little bit,

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we have to find those nuances of like,

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hey,

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we understand that if we drop down like

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the frequency of your strength training,

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you'll still maintain the gains that you

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made earlier.

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Maybe we understand that as you're getting

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into the gym,

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little nuances of like maybe we can pull

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the lever on doing less single leg work

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and doing more double limb work.

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So that way you're spending less time in

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the gym on top of that as well.

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Maybe we can kind of start to reduce

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the number of exercises that you're doing,

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excuse me,

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and then that we can still maintain the

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gains that we've made as well too.

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So we really try to kind of like

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work with people to kind of like find

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those barriers to entry for strength

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training and make sure that they're kind

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of still able to keep up with what

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they've been doing.

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So I think that's a really,

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really important part of it.

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Yeah.

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What's the best exercise to do?

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Well, the one you're probably going to do.

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And before that,

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the one you understand why doing this will

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get you that.

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I need you to draw a straight line.

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This will help you go faster,

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make you more resilient, prevent injury,

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like make sure you understand why the

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juice is worth the squeeze.

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So you got to squeeze and you get

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juice,

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but make sure I understand why the juice

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is worth the squeeze.

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And now the other big part of it

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too, right?

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I think is like strength training in

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general too, right?

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Like we know starting the third decade of

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life,

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you naturally just start to lose power,

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strength, muscle mass,

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all things which are really, really,

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really important predictors of how well

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you'll be moving, feeling,

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living later in life as well too.

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So I always tell people strength training

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is one of those non-negotiables as a human

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because it's going to build a better

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whatever, right?

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Insert X into the mix.

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If you are doing fundamental sound

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strength training,

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you will be better

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baseball throw you will be a better runner

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you will be a better you know parent

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you will be a better human because you

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are building that capacity to be able to

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engage with your environment and you know

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handle your day-to-day tasks and whatever

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life throws at you better as well yeah

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uh so you run a clinic and an

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education company and treat patients

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How do you do that?

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My original question when I wrote it down

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was going to be,

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how do you do that without burning out?

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But maybe I answered my question.

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Is the mix of the different things that

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are similar but not the same,

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is that something that helps you stay

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energized and avoid this thing we don't

00:21:52.114 --> 00:21:52.694
like to call burnout,

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but we do call burnout?

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Yeah,

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I think that you hit the nail on

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the head there.

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It's really important.

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I think that diversity helps a lot,

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being able to get on your different hats

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and think a little bit differently and

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have different challenges that you're

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working to.

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So there's not just the monotony of just

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the same thing over and over again.

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I think that's a really, really big

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part of it,

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but then I think another really big part

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of it is I love what I do.

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That helps, man.

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It's often overlooked,

00:22:20.449 --> 00:22:21.308
but I really like this,

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which makes me like this.

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Weird, but it does work.

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It's weird how that works.

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So it doesn't feel like work.

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I think that's the rule.

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I think as long as it doesn't feel

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like work to me,

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I'm totally fine putting my head down and

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grinding.

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And it doesn't mean that it's not

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difficult.

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The weight is still the weight,

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but if you like lifting that way,

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it's why I say what somebody told this

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to me and I'm just requesting,

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what's the best exercise to do?

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Well,

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the one you like to do would be

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good.

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If I said to someone,

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start running and they don't like running,

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that's a horrible suggestion.

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So the question should be,

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what exercise should I do?

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What do you like?

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I can figure out how to make that

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difficult or modify.

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That's the superpower of one of the

00:23:01.865 --> 00:23:02.625
superpowers of PTs.

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It's like painting ceilings.

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Got it.

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We're going to make the brush heavy.

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We're going to figure it out,

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but the activity should be person

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dependent.

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People visit New York.

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And then all of a sudden,

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because I lived there, was born there,

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moved away,

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lived there for a number of years.

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I was on the Upper West Side.

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And then whenever people would visit,

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it's like if you have a pickup truck

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and then you find out someone's moving,

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they call you.

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When you live in New York and people

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are visiting, they're like, okay,

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where do I eat?

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Where do I visit?

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Let's take that out.

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You can throw in food if you want.

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But if a runner is going to come

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to New York...

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Runners are weird.

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I can say that because I am one,

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but we want to run and we want

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to run here.

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What do I want to do here?

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I want to run here.

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I'm going to do the other stuff too.

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Where are some cool spots to run in

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New York that maybe are overlooked?

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Where is a place that's maybe you're like,

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yay, this is a secret.

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This is where only insiders know.

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Where are some good spots to run in

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New York in case someone's going to go

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from your perspective?

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So my perspective, so you have your like,

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you know, you have your known spots,

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you have your Central Park,

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you have your Prospect Park,

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you have your West Side Highway, right?

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I think those are kind of like the

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bread and butter of like your new workers.

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Google that, you got that.

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I want the non, don't make the list.

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So I think some of my favorites are,

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you know,

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I love I think the bridges are really

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fun to kind of run a Brooklyn Bridge.

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I think, you know,

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it's kind of like Times Square.

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You avoid it because it's just there's a

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lot of tourists there.

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But the Manhattan Bridge out of all my

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the bridges is my favorite because it's

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the least trafficked and you get great

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views of the city.

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I love kind of doing a little loop

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that brings you through Brooklyn out

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towards like Red Hook a little bit more

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as well.

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You kind of see like different parts of

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the city going out that way.

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So that's always a fun one for me

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as well.

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There's some routes kind of bringing you

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down through like Long Island City and

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Astoria,

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which you got to get down on the

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river, which I think are really,

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really fun routes to be going through.

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When I used to live on the Upper

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East Side,

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I used to go out to Randall's Island

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as well.

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I enjoyed kind of getting out there a

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little bit more.

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But for me, you know,

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like where I am right now,

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I'd say probably like

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Ninety percent of my runs are on the

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West Side Highway just out of convenience.

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But yeah,

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I'll kind of hop on the Manhattan Bridge.

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I'll get out.

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I'll go out towards Red Hook.

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Sometimes I'll hop on the train and I

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will get up to Central Park again or

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I will try to get up to like

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Randall's Island just because I like the

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idea of just being a little bit more

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secluded and not having like, you know,

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throngs of people even this past weekend

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it was warm here right so there's times

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on the west side highway where there's

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just so many tourists there's so many

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people just doing their casual walks where

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as a runner you have yeah exactly right

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then you're coming up behind them and

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you're having to stop walk until you can

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kind of like you know circumnavigate them

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and then you can start running again

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Yeah.

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So many nooks and crannies.

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I know that Central Park is always going

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to be up there, right?

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By all means, go.

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The cool things I liked about Central Park

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and now with people creating websites and

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whatever, there's so many weird,

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hidden things in Central Park.

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Like little like there's, you know,

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concrete animals that are put there and

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then there's a story behind it.

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So like, by all means,

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go do a couple laps in Central Park,

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take the selfie, you know,

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go to the boathouse, whatever.

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Do weird stuff.

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There's weird like and it's not that's the

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thing about it.

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It's like this little hidden thing like

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this park in the middle of the city.

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There's hidden things in it.

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Go walk around after you're done with the

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run.

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Great place.

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But yeah,

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that is probably your Times Square.

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Times Square, horrible place to run,

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right?

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I mean, you're not going to run.

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You're just going to walk and be annoyed

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by people.

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But yeah, walk through there,

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but go run somewhere else.

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Randall's Island's a good one.

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Yeah, Times Square,

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I remember the one time that I actively

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sought out Times Square was in the middle

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of COVID.

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That was cool then, right?

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Very weird, right?

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Because it felt like a post-apocalyptic

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movie where you're like,

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I shouldn't be able to stand here with

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no one within a hundred yards.

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It was creepy.

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It was very bizarre,

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but I would actually actively seek that

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out because I was like,

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this is probably the only time in my

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life where this is going to be like,

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all right.

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I was like running in the middle of

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the streets through Times Square.

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Yeah,

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you and I were probably there on the

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same day,

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but we were probably the only people.

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That's funny.

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Only people.

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We're going to play a game.

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You ready to play a quick game?

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I didn't preface this.

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You got to think on your feet,

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but a running PT is ready to do

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that.

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You ready to play a game?

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Let's do it.

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We're going to play a game called Stride

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Right.

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I'm going to hit you with a rapid

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fire round.

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Short answers only.

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Find out how you stride right.

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This is all personal preference.

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Treadmill or trail?

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Which would you prefer,

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treadmill or trail?

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Trail.

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preference trail, um,

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utility being in nature.

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I love that part of it,

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but in reality here in New York,

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that's probably true.

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You know, it's treadmill,

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but trail would be where you're living.

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That'd be great.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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I'm up the Hudson, uh,

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best underrated strength move for runners,

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best underrated strength moves.

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A lot of, you know,

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moves that people know about what's what's

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under the radar.

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I tell all my runners that if you

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had one muscle group to train as a

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runner, uh,

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it would be your plantar flexors, right?

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Like your calves.

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The calf complex is gold when it comes

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to running economy.

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And that's where people need to be

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training that and they need to be training

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at high intensities.

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Okay,

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I'm gonna start doing heel lifts right now

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as I do the rest of this interview.

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Worst thing a PT can say to a

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runner.

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What's the worst thing a PT can say

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to a runner?

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think the worst thing that you can tell

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i think honestly like athletes and runners

00:28:26.496 --> 00:28:28.057
in general is like you're having to shut

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it down right that's probably gonna be the

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worst thing that you can say i think

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that the way to flip the script is

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this is what you can still be doing

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right like there you always have to find

00:28:36.060 --> 00:28:37.981
what you can still be doing because why

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is the answer absolute rest why is shut

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it down so wrong i have my opinions

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but like i think we're probably aligned

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from how you're talking why is hey shut

00:28:45.526 --> 00:28:46.686
it down why is that such a bad

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idea

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I mean, I think A,

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just from like a physiological standpoint,

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right?

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Like you want to maintain as much as

00:28:52.912 --> 00:28:55.193
you can through this process of rehab to

00:28:55.213 --> 00:28:57.075
keep that person at the highest level

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possible.

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So that way,

00:28:58.036 --> 00:28:59.957
when they are ready to get back to

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what they need to do,

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it's not like they've had this huge

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decline in capacity that they have to

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build back up again.

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And then from the psychological standpoint

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of it too, right?

00:29:08.644 --> 00:29:08.825
Like,

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lot of runners this is their identity

00:29:11.164 --> 00:29:12.826
right they've built this identity whether

00:29:12.846 --> 00:29:15.307
it's performance social whatever identity

00:29:15.527 --> 00:29:18.428
they have yeah exactly right so and if

00:29:18.448 --> 00:29:19.867
you're taking that away from them you're

00:29:19.887 --> 00:29:21.548
taking a piece of that individual away

00:29:21.567 --> 00:29:22.568
from them and from you know from a

00:29:22.608 --> 00:29:24.429
psychology standpoint that's not so great

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so i think re having to rephrase that

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is really really important to have them

00:29:28.289 --> 00:29:30.191
understand that we're still doing things

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we're still going to be like you know

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working towards these goals and staying

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very very active

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But this is how we're going to do

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it.

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And then also being very clear about we're

00:29:37.894 --> 00:29:39.415
going to get you back to what you

00:29:39.435 --> 00:29:40.797
were doing at one hundred and ten percent

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as well.

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Plus,

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they're probably not going to listen to

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it.

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They're going to just do it anyway.

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So you might as well give them something

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to do.

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Say do nothing is not good because now

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I don't know what to do with myself.

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Give them something less than to do.

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So, yeah,

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saying that probably one of the worst

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things.

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One book every PT should read is there.

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It doesn't have to be clinical either.

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But is there a book, a biography,

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anything?

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What's a book that you think every PT

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should read?

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Look, every PT should read that.

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So that's,

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I might throw a couple up there.

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Um,

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I would say one that I love a

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lot.

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I grew up, uh,

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I grew up in like the hospitality

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industry, you know,

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my parents were immigrants.

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They opened an Indian restaurant.

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I was like serving tables when I was

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like eight years old.

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Um,

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So I've always thought about things from

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the standpoint of being in the hospitality

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industry.

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And I think physical therapy is in the

00:30:26.262 --> 00:30:27.282
hospitality industry.

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You are working one on one with an

00:30:29.743 --> 00:30:30.723
individual in front of you.

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You're meeting their needs.

00:30:32.204 --> 00:30:33.744
You're kind of working to cater towards

00:30:33.785 --> 00:30:35.164
what they need and get them better and

00:30:35.204 --> 00:30:36.905
work towards kind of like an outcome.

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So I think that's the book,

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Unreasonable Hospitality,

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which has gotten, you know,

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I think really famous in the past few

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years.

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I love that makes you think a little

00:30:44.627 --> 00:30:46.647
bit more differently about how we operate

00:30:46.667 --> 00:30:47.288
as PTs,

00:30:47.307 --> 00:30:48.949
the business of PT a little bit more

00:30:48.989 --> 00:30:49.429
too, right?

00:30:49.808 --> 00:30:52.410
Going from that like typical PT clinic

00:30:52.450 --> 00:30:54.710
stale environment to kind of thinking

00:30:54.750 --> 00:30:56.090
about how you can be a little bit

00:30:56.131 --> 00:30:57.790
better from the standpoint of just like

00:30:57.830 --> 00:30:59.510
how you're providing the service as well.

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So I think that's a really great book.

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um and then the book my most book

00:31:04.193 --> 00:31:06.736
read in life my most read book in

00:31:06.776 --> 00:31:07.777
life yeah there we go that came out

00:31:07.817 --> 00:31:10.038
right that way is uh eckhart tolle a

00:31:10.078 --> 00:31:12.020
new earth um he's a guy that did

00:31:12.060 --> 00:31:13.362
the power of now so it's just a

00:31:13.442 --> 00:31:14.702
different book that he has a new earth

00:31:14.722 --> 00:31:16.904
and i think it's just really good for

00:31:17.025 --> 00:31:18.465
everybody it kind of thinks it really

00:31:18.486 --> 00:31:20.207
breaks down the ego the many different

00:31:20.267 --> 00:31:22.128
levels of the ego how it manifests so

00:31:22.169 --> 00:31:22.970
many different ways

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And just like from day to day

00:31:24.911 --> 00:31:25.652
interactions, you know,

00:31:25.692 --> 00:31:27.532
just kind of thinking about how staying

00:31:27.573 --> 00:31:29.734
present can kind of really just help you

00:31:29.795 --> 00:31:31.736
manage so many different situations.

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And I think even as a PT,

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it's helped me be so much better as

00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:34.979
well.

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Love it.

00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:37.259
New York food spot.

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Every out of towner should hit.

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This is where you got to do the

00:31:40.202 --> 00:31:40.482
food rec.

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Oh, you're killing me on this one, man.

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There's just so many.

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It's just never ending.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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Fire away.

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So I think, you know,

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I like Apollo Bagels is up there for

00:32:12.907 --> 00:32:12.968
me.

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I love that a lot.

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And then I'm kind of in lower Manhattan,

00:32:15.429 --> 00:32:15.568
too.

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So they opened one down here.

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And then there's also a place that's like

00:32:18.069 --> 00:32:19.530
been here for a while called Leo's Bagels

00:32:19.550 --> 00:32:20.612
that I like a lot, too.

00:32:21.011 --> 00:32:21.092
Yeah,

00:32:21.112 --> 00:32:22.251
but your parents owned an Indian

00:32:22.292 --> 00:32:22.633
restaurant.

00:32:22.673 --> 00:32:24.493
So where's your Indian restaurant in New

00:32:24.513 --> 00:32:24.733
York?

00:32:25.074 --> 00:32:26.855
You've got like your standards are through

00:32:26.875 --> 00:32:27.194
the roof.

00:32:27.454 --> 00:32:28.536
So what's an Indian restaurant in New

00:32:28.556 --> 00:32:28.695
York?

00:32:29.201 --> 00:32:30.603
Yeah, so I think my favorite,

00:32:30.623 --> 00:32:31.784
just more traditional,

00:32:31.804 --> 00:32:33.526
like especially our usual takeout spot in

00:32:33.566 --> 00:32:35.769
the neighborhood is there's a place over

00:32:35.909 --> 00:32:36.990
called Banaras,

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which I like on Murray Street.

00:32:38.673 --> 00:32:40.054
That's our kind of like local spot.

00:32:40.074 --> 00:32:41.155
But then right now,

00:32:41.215 --> 00:32:42.656
I think Indian food is having its like

00:32:42.696 --> 00:32:44.318
moment in the country where it's really

00:32:44.358 --> 00:32:44.700
coming on.

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.241
It's really kind of up and up right

00:32:46.281 --> 00:32:46.402
now.

00:32:46.422 --> 00:32:47.844
You're seeing a lot more of it popping

00:32:47.903 --> 00:32:48.825
up all over a lot more.

00:32:49.144 --> 00:32:51.806
fusion modern indian so it's been fun just

00:32:51.846 --> 00:32:52.826
in new york city because we're at the

00:32:52.846 --> 00:32:54.787
epicenter of it just being able to go

00:32:54.866 --> 00:32:56.507
out and like try these like newer places

00:32:56.527 --> 00:32:57.907
that are kind of experimenting with the

00:32:57.948 --> 00:32:59.448
cuisine a little bit too so that that's

00:32:59.468 --> 00:33:01.269
been really fun love it all right you're

00:33:01.288 --> 00:33:03.390
off the hot seat that uh was stride

00:33:03.430 --> 00:33:05.150
right uh last thing we do on the

00:33:05.170 --> 00:33:09.352
show is called the parting shot this is

00:33:09.372 --> 00:33:12.252
the parting shot one last mic drop moment

00:33:12.932 --> 00:33:16.294
no pressure just your legacy on the line

00:33:17.539 --> 00:33:19.039
Definitely want to thank our friends at US

00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:19.799
Physical Therapy,

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:22.340
nationwide network of clinics focused on

00:33:22.361 --> 00:33:23.260
developing clinicians,

00:33:23.320 --> 00:33:24.000
not burning them out.

00:33:24.040 --> 00:33:25.321
Leadership tracks, mentorship,

00:33:25.342 --> 00:33:27.001
career growth, and stability.

00:33:27.021 --> 00:33:28.102
Build your future in PT.

00:33:28.122 --> 00:33:29.261
If you want a place that supports how

00:33:29.281 --> 00:33:31.643
you practice, that's USPH, USPH.com.

00:33:31.682 --> 00:33:33.542
It's USPH.com.

00:33:33.682 --> 00:33:33.863
All right.

00:33:34.103 --> 00:33:35.263
Floor is completely yours.

00:33:35.344 --> 00:33:37.084
Or the track, the track, the trail.

00:33:37.104 --> 00:33:37.844
It's completely yours.

00:33:38.463 --> 00:33:39.403
Last thing you want to leave with the

00:33:39.443 --> 00:33:41.144
audience of fellow PTs,

00:33:41.224 --> 00:33:42.085
what would you want to leave as your

00:33:42.105 --> 00:33:42.565
parting shot?

00:33:44.263 --> 00:33:45.463
Ooh, leave is my parting shot.

00:33:45.483 --> 00:33:46.565
I think something,

00:33:46.944 --> 00:33:48.325
just for thinking about new grads,

00:33:48.384 --> 00:33:49.884
I think something that's really important

00:33:49.904 --> 00:33:51.465
to understand is as a new grad,

00:33:52.645 --> 00:33:53.645
I see it all the time with our

00:33:53.685 --> 00:33:54.567
students that come in,

00:33:55.346 --> 00:33:57.247
you are underprepared for being in the

00:33:57.267 --> 00:33:57.887
clinic, right?

00:33:57.907 --> 00:33:59.387
Just get used to it.

00:33:59.468 --> 00:34:00.748
I mean, it is what it is.

00:34:00.928 --> 00:34:02.128
You're not going to be ready for the

00:34:02.148 --> 00:34:02.509
real world.

00:34:02.528 --> 00:34:04.288
And I think a lot of students that

00:34:04.308 --> 00:34:05.829
we see really struggle with that,

00:34:05.849 --> 00:34:07.230
thinking that they're not quite there.

00:34:07.269 --> 00:34:10.050
Why am I not doing what I'm supposed

00:34:10.070 --> 00:34:11.010
to be doing at this point?

00:34:11.570 --> 00:34:13.672
Most the key here is that you need

00:34:13.713 --> 00:34:14.574
to stay motivated,

00:34:14.594 --> 00:34:15.815
you need to stay hungry and you need

00:34:15.855 --> 00:34:18.097
to understand that ninety something

00:34:18.137 --> 00:34:19.579
percent of your learning is going to

00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.981
happen after you graduate and it's going

00:34:22.001 --> 00:34:22.360
to stay.

00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:23.902
It's going to come from you asking

00:34:23.943 --> 00:34:26.425
questions and still just kind of like

00:34:26.445 --> 00:34:28.427
having that passion to continue learning

00:34:28.927 --> 00:34:30.329
is where you're going to become the best

00:34:30.349 --> 00:34:30.768
PT.

00:34:30.809 --> 00:34:32.990
So just understand from the get go that

00:34:33.030 --> 00:34:34.492
you're going to be in a place where

00:34:34.952 --> 00:34:35.414
you're not

00:34:35.753 --> 00:34:39.016
you're not going to be great.

00:34:39.036 --> 00:34:40.036
From a clinical standpoint,

00:34:40.056 --> 00:34:40.898
you're going to be at a place where

00:34:40.918 --> 00:34:41.818
you have a lot of growth.

00:34:42.378 --> 00:34:44.001
I think just being able to develop great

00:34:44.061 --> 00:34:45.661
rapport with your clients is going to

00:34:45.681 --> 00:34:48.304
bring you levels above other people.

00:34:48.764 --> 00:34:50.606
And then just staying kind of inquisitive

00:34:50.626 --> 00:34:52.067
and just making sure you're learning,

00:34:52.387 --> 00:34:53.347
taking courses,

00:34:53.989 --> 00:34:55.690
having mentors is going to be that thing

00:34:55.710 --> 00:34:56.771
that's really going to bring you to that

00:34:56.811 --> 00:34:58.791
place where you feel better equipped.

00:34:58.831 --> 00:35:00.012
I've been doing it for fifteen years.

00:35:00.112 --> 00:35:02.474
I still feel like I have so much

00:35:02.534 --> 00:35:03.056
more to learn.

00:35:03.556 --> 00:35:04.978
And I think that's just from that desire

00:35:04.998 --> 00:35:06.760
to continue to just keep being better as

00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:07.041
well.

00:35:07.961 --> 00:35:08.181
Yeah.

00:35:08.362 --> 00:35:08.722
Love that.

00:35:09.003 --> 00:35:09.963
If people want to get in touch,

00:35:09.983 --> 00:35:11.025
we'll put it in the show notes,

00:35:11.065 --> 00:35:12.027
but just, you know,

00:35:12.047 --> 00:35:13.469
is there a website or people are like,

00:35:13.489 --> 00:35:14.369
Hey, I'm in New York alone.

00:35:14.389 --> 00:35:15.311
I want to grab a bagel,

00:35:15.331 --> 00:35:15.851
go for a run.

00:35:16.813 --> 00:35:17.934
Where's the website for the clinic that

00:35:17.954 --> 00:35:18.434
you want to send them?

00:35:19.744 --> 00:35:20.485
Yeah, no, a hundred percent.

00:35:20.505 --> 00:35:22.666
You can go to perfectstridept.com.

00:35:23.286 --> 00:35:25.068
Instagram is perfectstridept.

00:35:25.668 --> 00:35:28.329
My personal professional is vakashsharma

00:35:28.369 --> 00:35:29.050
dpt.

00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:31.610
And then our continuing education course

00:35:31.731 --> 00:35:34.572
is runningforlife.education is the handle

00:35:34.592 --> 00:35:34.972
for that one.

00:35:35.682 --> 00:35:36.684
If you wanted to upgrade,

00:35:36.744 --> 00:35:38.023
this is just a communications guy.

00:35:38.204 --> 00:35:39.164
You could change this,

00:35:39.364 --> 00:35:40.226
keep your running course,

00:35:40.246 --> 00:35:43.648
but also like a post-apocalyptic zombie

00:35:43.668 --> 00:35:45.309
breakout running for your life.

00:35:45.389 --> 00:35:45.889
You know what I mean?

00:35:46.429 --> 00:35:50.231
That's one of the rules in the zombie

00:35:50.271 --> 00:35:50.512
movie.

00:35:50.532 --> 00:35:52.932
I appreciate the insight.

00:35:52.952 --> 00:35:55.655
Thanks for doing what you do and learned

00:35:55.675 --> 00:35:56.014
a lot.

00:35:56.235 --> 00:35:57.074
And I'm going to hit some of those

00:35:57.094 --> 00:35:57.795
running trails in New York.

00:35:57.815 --> 00:35:58.315
Appreciate it, man.

00:35:58.335 --> 00:35:58.596
All right.

00:35:58.675 --> 00:35:59.657
Appreciate it, Jimmy.

00:35:59.757 --> 00:36:00.416
Awesome talking to you.

00:36:00.436 --> 00:36:00.978
If you're in the city,

00:36:01.018 --> 00:36:02.237
let's grab a run together, man.

00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:02.838
I'm down.

00:36:02.858 --> 00:36:03.898
Don't threaten me with a good time,

00:36:03.938 --> 00:36:04.780
but slow down for me.

00:36:06.246 --> 00:36:07.327
That's it for this one,

00:36:07.606 --> 00:36:09.288
but we're just getting warmed up.

00:36:09.748 --> 00:36:11.650
Smash follow, send it to a friend,

00:36:11.869 --> 00:36:13.532
or crank up the next episode.

00:36:14.052 --> 00:36:14.913
Want to go deeper?

00:36:15.413 --> 00:36:17.514
Hit us at pgpinecast.com.

00:36:18.815 --> 00:36:20.797
Or find us on YouTube and socials at

00:36:20.817 --> 00:36:22.057
pgpinecast.

00:36:22.458 --> 00:36:24.739
And legally, none of this was advice.

00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:26.601
It's for entertainment purposes only.

00:36:28.242 --> 00:36:28.822
See, Keith?

00:36:29.023 --> 00:36:30.063
We read the script.

00:36:30.384 --> 00:36:31.045
Happy now?