From Failure to Success (f Mathu Hanson)

WEBVTT 00:00:02.589 --> 00:00:03.971 what's the I was gonna say 00:00:03.991 --> 00:00:04.730 what's the worst that could 00:00:04.751 --> 00:00:06.232 happen but let's say what's 00:00:06.251 --> 00:00:16.937 the best right I love this 00:00:17.277 --> 00:00:18.257 so we were going to record 00:00:18.297 --> 00:00:19.579 an episode and I sort of 00:00:19.618 --> 00:00:21.160 jumped on the screen here 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:22.600 with matthew it's 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:23.481 pronounced matthew right 00:00:23.992 --> 00:00:26.754 It's actually Matho, but as I get older, 00:00:26.794 --> 00:00:27.594 I'm just kind of letting it 00:00:27.634 --> 00:00:28.074 go a little bit. 00:00:28.094 --> 00:00:29.094 No, that's why I like to ask. 00:00:29.594 --> 00:00:30.434 It's spelled different, 00:00:30.475 --> 00:00:31.234 and I like different. 00:00:32.316 --> 00:00:33.756 I jumped on the screen with Matho, 00:00:33.795 --> 00:00:34.956 and I was like, I don't know, man. 00:00:34.996 --> 00:00:37.216 This feels like a live stream. 00:00:37.517 --> 00:00:38.438 And I don't know. 00:00:38.497 --> 00:00:39.618 My Spidey sense went off. 00:00:39.698 --> 00:00:40.557 So I'm like this. 00:00:40.997 --> 00:00:42.738 And then I asked you a cool question, 00:00:43.279 --> 00:00:43.978 which is a question, 00:00:43.999 --> 00:00:45.060 but an indirect question was like, 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:45.280 all right, 00:00:45.299 --> 00:00:46.659 what's the title of this live stream? 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:47.399 You know what? 00:00:47.579 --> 00:00:48.280 Don't give me the title. 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:48.920 Just sort of give me the 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:49.920 things you're passionate about. 00:00:50.021 --> 00:00:50.540 And you were like, 00:00:50.981 --> 00:00:51.981 you started saying words. 00:00:52.822 --> 00:00:53.841 And I wrote the title, 00:00:53.862 --> 00:00:55.402 which is from suck to 00:00:55.482 --> 00:00:56.902 psyched lessons for new 00:00:56.942 --> 00:00:58.323 grad PTs with Matho. 00:00:58.362 --> 00:00:58.643 Wow. 00:00:59.423 --> 00:00:59.863 That's good. 00:00:59.904 --> 00:01:00.363 I like that. 00:01:00.764 --> 00:01:03.085 So before we hit a live stream, 00:01:03.104 --> 00:01:04.805 you were sort of talking about how you, 00:01:05.325 --> 00:01:06.525 I mean, you almost got fired. 00:01:06.545 --> 00:01:07.825 You did get fired or there was, 00:01:08.046 --> 00:01:08.825 I love that. 00:01:09.825 --> 00:01:10.365 Cause in any story, 00:01:10.385 --> 00:01:11.206 there's gotta be tension. 00:01:11.227 --> 00:01:13.106 There's gotta be the chance of failure. 00:01:13.887 --> 00:01:14.647 Oh, absolutely. 00:01:14.846 --> 00:01:17.087 I had a definite chance of failure. 00:01:17.808 --> 00:01:20.409 Um, so yeah, no, like I was saying, I was, 00:01:20.849 --> 00:01:20.909 um, 00:01:21.734 --> 00:01:24.115 I was on the verge of getting fired. 00:01:24.355 --> 00:01:25.736 I started working at this 00:01:25.796 --> 00:01:28.718 place and I wasn't really 00:01:28.798 --> 00:01:29.617 sure about myself. 00:01:30.918 --> 00:01:31.679 I had been a student. 00:01:31.698 --> 00:01:33.099 I was a student there previously, 00:01:33.659 --> 00:01:36.301 but started working at this place. 00:01:36.501 --> 00:01:38.001 I had no idea what I was doing. 00:01:38.081 --> 00:01:39.001 I was my, 00:01:39.141 --> 00:01:41.603 my first gig out of school was to 00:01:41.664 --> 00:01:43.203 work in the traumatic brain injury unit. 00:01:44.125 --> 00:01:45.765 And I walk on the floor. 00:01:45.784 --> 00:01:46.105 They're like, 00:01:46.144 --> 00:01:46.926 this is where you're going to be. 00:01:46.986 --> 00:01:48.266 My whole goal was to get on 00:01:48.305 --> 00:01:49.686 the spinal cord injury unit because 00:01:50.242 --> 00:01:51.522 my passion was just about 00:01:51.543 --> 00:01:52.123 spinal cord injury. 00:01:52.283 --> 00:01:52.862 I was, I was, 00:01:53.284 --> 00:01:55.584 that wasn't what I was going to do. 00:01:55.605 --> 00:01:56.965 And I get on this floor and 00:01:56.984 --> 00:01:59.486 they take me to the brain injury unit. 00:01:59.566 --> 00:02:01.408 And I see this guy at the time, you know, 00:02:01.427 --> 00:02:02.108 I didn't know what it was. 00:02:02.468 --> 00:02:03.207 It was a craniotomy. 00:02:03.248 --> 00:02:04.769 And I have no idea what that is. 00:02:05.149 --> 00:02:06.290 All I see is this, you know, 00:02:06.950 --> 00:02:09.191 skull is open and, you know, 00:02:09.311 --> 00:02:10.731 I see his brain throbbing 00:02:10.852 --> 00:02:12.133 underneath his skin. 00:02:12.772 --> 00:02:14.074 And I'm saying to myself, 00:02:14.294 --> 00:02:15.875 what the hell did I just do? 00:02:15.895 --> 00:02:16.455 Right. 00:02:16.615 --> 00:02:18.395 I drove all the way from Miami to, 00:02:18.950 --> 00:02:20.131 to Los Angeles to come and 00:02:20.151 --> 00:02:20.911 work at this place, 00:02:21.270 --> 00:02:22.972 and I have no idea what I'm doing. 00:02:23.352 --> 00:02:23.592 Wow. 00:02:25.012 --> 00:02:27.312 And I spent the better part 00:02:27.633 --> 00:02:29.992 of three months kind of in the dark, 00:02:30.473 --> 00:02:30.652 right? 00:02:31.633 --> 00:02:32.614 I didn't want anybody to 00:02:32.693 --> 00:02:34.114 know that I didn't know 00:02:34.133 --> 00:02:35.433 what the hell I was doing. 00:02:36.375 --> 00:02:37.974 And I always say that I can 00:02:38.034 --> 00:02:38.675 always tell when a 00:02:38.735 --> 00:02:39.794 clinician is struggling 00:02:40.375 --> 00:02:41.316 because what they do is 00:02:41.355 --> 00:02:42.336 they essentially hide. 00:02:42.616 --> 00:02:43.635 They hide from everybody, 00:02:44.135 --> 00:02:45.295 and they're not really sure 00:02:45.436 --> 00:02:48.056 how to take that next step. 00:02:49.657 --> 00:02:51.298 And I'll never forget it. 00:02:51.337 --> 00:02:52.618 I was flying back to Miami 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:54.941 for my birthday and my 00:02:54.980 --> 00:02:55.921 manager brought me into the 00:02:56.002 --> 00:02:58.002 office and I didn't think 00:02:58.062 --> 00:02:59.663 about it while this was all happening, 00:02:59.683 --> 00:03:00.965 but I started doing the calculus. 00:03:01.825 --> 00:03:03.706 My back was placed to the back wall. 00:03:04.347 --> 00:03:05.627 There was a table between me 00:03:06.429 --> 00:03:08.370 and them and the room door. 00:03:08.469 --> 00:03:09.931 And I'm thinking, oh my gosh, 00:03:10.331 --> 00:03:11.611 what's going on? 00:03:12.393 --> 00:03:13.493 And I started doing the calculus. 00:03:13.514 --> 00:03:14.213 I'm like, well, 00:03:14.473 --> 00:03:15.835 they think I'm going to get 00:03:15.875 --> 00:03:16.496 mad or something. 00:03:16.635 --> 00:03:17.977 I'm like, okay, cool. 00:03:18.981 --> 00:03:19.741 And they proceeded to 00:03:19.782 --> 00:03:20.802 basically tell me in great 00:03:20.842 --> 00:03:22.364 summary that I suck. 00:03:23.405 --> 00:03:24.745 And when you get back, 00:03:25.586 --> 00:03:27.146 you are essentially going 00:03:27.187 --> 00:03:29.108 to have to either perform 00:03:29.807 --> 00:03:30.949 or we're going to basically 00:03:30.989 --> 00:03:31.729 kick you out the door. 00:03:33.129 --> 00:03:34.790 And for those of you who know that story, 00:03:35.491 --> 00:03:37.393 I was sitting there thinking to myself, 00:03:37.473 --> 00:03:37.932 oh, shoot, 00:03:37.992 --> 00:03:39.574 I'm going to get fired from this place. 00:03:40.534 --> 00:03:42.395 And, you know, world famous place, 00:03:42.455 --> 00:03:43.496 like you're walking around 00:03:43.556 --> 00:03:45.456 and people who wrote this textbook, 00:03:45.637 --> 00:03:46.217 that sort of thing. 00:03:47.241 --> 00:03:49.623 And I'm like, okay, this will suck. 00:03:49.683 --> 00:03:50.724 This is like the worst thing 00:03:50.745 --> 00:03:51.746 to put on your resume. 00:03:52.325 --> 00:03:53.266 I need to go and hide. 00:03:53.747 --> 00:03:56.088 So I went home to Miami, came back, 00:03:58.691 --> 00:03:59.852 sat down to do a follow-up 00:03:59.872 --> 00:04:00.712 meeting because I was 00:04:00.733 --> 00:04:06.697 supposed to sign the disciplinary action, 00:04:06.757 --> 00:04:08.277 my 90-day review or whatever, right? 00:04:09.438 --> 00:04:14.383 And a friend of mine said, you know, 00:04:14.663 --> 00:04:15.743 you have these things that 00:04:16.064 --> 00:04:17.004 she called God moments. 00:04:17.369 --> 00:04:17.569 right? 00:04:17.668 --> 00:04:19.689 This moment where you just kind of, 00:04:19.750 --> 00:04:21.130 you're losing your own 00:04:21.591 --> 00:04:23.293 self-understanding of what's happening, 00:04:23.392 --> 00:04:25.334 and you just get into this epiphany. 00:04:26.654 --> 00:04:27.574 And in that moment, 00:04:27.754 --> 00:04:31.757 I basically said that I sat 00:04:31.798 --> 00:04:33.519 here for 90 days, essentially, 00:04:33.658 --> 00:04:36.940 and you watched me miss on 00:04:37.021 --> 00:04:38.461 every single patient that I touched, 00:04:39.242 --> 00:04:41.744 and you allowed that to happen. 00:04:42.485 --> 00:04:44.586 And that's bad for the patient, and I... 00:04:45.307 --> 00:04:45.607 For me, 00:04:45.646 --> 00:04:47.548 that's my regret in time is that 00:04:48.307 --> 00:04:49.927 those patients for the 90 00:04:49.927 --> 00:04:53.389 days preceding that time failed, 00:04:53.889 --> 00:04:54.309 essentially. 00:04:55.069 --> 00:04:57.610 And here I am walking into the room, 00:04:57.790 --> 00:04:59.230 and you're saying that I suck for 90 days, 00:04:59.449 --> 00:05:00.690 and you were okay with that, 00:05:00.771 --> 00:05:01.711 but at the same time, 00:05:02.091 --> 00:05:02.911 this is where this happened. 00:05:02.951 --> 00:05:05.471 I knew I was struggling, but at the time, 00:05:05.531 --> 00:05:06.791 I think what happens is 00:05:06.831 --> 00:05:08.572 that you don't know how to speak up, 00:05:08.612 --> 00:05:10.492 where to speak up, who to speak to, 00:05:10.752 --> 00:05:11.733 where to go, 00:05:11.973 --> 00:05:13.153 and how to have those kind of 00:05:13.194 --> 00:05:13.774 conversations. 00:05:14.673 --> 00:05:15.535 And essentially, 00:05:15.555 --> 00:05:19.016 I put the onus back on them. 00:05:19.716 --> 00:05:23.598 And I essentially said, if I fail, 00:05:23.718 --> 00:05:25.100 it's because you failed me first. 00:05:26.060 --> 00:05:28.360 And your patients were at risk. 00:05:29.141 --> 00:05:30.201 Not me. 00:05:30.302 --> 00:05:31.742 I'm insignificant. 00:05:32.062 --> 00:05:33.244 Your patients failed first. 00:05:34.103 --> 00:05:37.946 And I essentially asked for a mentor. 00:05:38.786 --> 00:05:39.747 And my mentor, 00:05:40.867 --> 00:05:42.949 this lady saved my life and kind of 00:05:43.384 --> 00:05:45.065 set the foundation for my career. 00:05:45.805 --> 00:05:48.627 And, um, it's just, just an amazing lady. 00:05:48.666 --> 00:05:49.747 She's a professor. 00:05:50.007 --> 00:05:51.346 I don't know if we call names here, but, 00:05:51.586 --> 00:05:54.387 um, uh, Karen Edo, wherever you are, 00:05:54.507 --> 00:05:55.048 shout out to you. 00:05:55.108 --> 00:05:56.269 But, um, listen, 00:05:56.928 --> 00:05:59.689 she came in and she sat me down. 00:05:59.790 --> 00:06:01.250 She essentially said, you do suck. 00:06:02.569 --> 00:06:05.130 Reinforce my, reinforce my deepest, 00:06:05.170 --> 00:06:06.211 darkest feelings. 00:06:06.372 --> 00:06:08.172 And then, but hold on, hold on. 00:06:08.211 --> 00:06:09.252 She let the cat out of the bag. 00:06:09.331 --> 00:06:11.312 She's like, okay, this is where we are. 00:06:12.014 --> 00:06:12.814 Yeah. 00:06:13.095 --> 00:06:13.814 I mean, 00:06:13.935 --> 00:06:15.475 she observed me for like a day or two, 00:06:16.076 --> 00:06:17.617 and she was my selected mentor. 00:06:18.918 --> 00:06:21.779 And she basically said, 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:24.141 you don't even look like 00:06:24.180 --> 00:06:25.122 you like what you're doing. 00:06:25.961 --> 00:06:30.946 And she then gave me kind of 00:06:30.966 --> 00:06:33.427 the charge of what this all meant, right? 00:06:33.487 --> 00:06:35.889 What does it mean to be in this role, 00:06:36.108 --> 00:06:37.168 taking care of patients, 00:06:37.309 --> 00:06:38.410 doing the things that you're doing, 00:06:38.889 --> 00:06:39.951 as opposed to just 00:06:40.528 --> 00:06:42.509 I'm here to show up and do a job. 00:06:43.449 --> 00:06:46.591 And through that, those conversations, 00:06:46.630 --> 00:06:48.172 those, you know, 00:06:48.211 --> 00:06:49.552 those periods where she 00:06:49.591 --> 00:06:50.913 mentored me and kind of 00:06:51.733 --> 00:06:52.913 gave me the roadmap, 00:06:53.052 --> 00:06:53.713 I got a better 00:06:53.793 --> 00:06:54.834 understanding of what my 00:06:54.874 --> 00:06:56.673 responsibility was, what my charge was, 00:06:57.415 --> 00:06:58.475 how to go about approaching 00:06:58.535 --> 00:06:59.295 a patient that you don't 00:06:59.355 --> 00:07:00.315 understand and how do you 00:07:00.355 --> 00:07:02.797 go about addressing those 00:07:02.857 --> 00:07:06.017 patients' needs and thinking 10, 15, 20, 00:07:06.017 --> 00:07:08.718 30 steps ahead of where you 00:07:08.819 --> 00:07:10.038 are in this moment and 00:07:11.072 --> 00:07:12.793 that just, you know, set, 00:07:13.514 --> 00:07:14.995 set my course forward all the way. 00:07:15.074 --> 00:07:16.035 So, um, 00:07:16.355 --> 00:07:19.117 I am here because of the efforts of 00:07:19.257 --> 00:07:21.259 my manager who listened to 00:07:21.298 --> 00:07:22.959 my crazy notion that it was her fault. 00:07:23.740 --> 00:07:26.182 And my manager who also 00:07:26.221 --> 00:07:29.103 connected me with Aaron Ito and Aaron Ito, 00:07:29.163 --> 00:07:30.444 who saw that, you know, 00:07:30.644 --> 00:07:31.444 don't really suck. 00:07:31.485 --> 00:07:32.985 You just don't understand 00:07:33.045 --> 00:07:34.987 what it is that this entails. 00:07:35.187 --> 00:07:36.867 And I think, you know, 00:07:37.009 --> 00:07:38.269 as much as we can say that 00:07:38.408 --> 00:07:39.949 physical therapy sucks or whatever, 00:07:40.050 --> 00:07:40.730 you know, I, 00:07:41.225 --> 00:07:42.146 people pissing and moaning 00:07:42.187 --> 00:07:43.247 about things all the time 00:07:44.548 --> 00:07:46.089 is it that it sucks or are 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:48.211 we not inspired and and to 00:07:48.252 --> 00:07:49.572 me a lot about taking 00:07:49.632 --> 00:07:50.754 control of the narrative 00:07:50.774 --> 00:07:51.855 that we operate within a 00:07:52.875 --> 00:07:53.817 physical therapist or 00:07:53.857 --> 00:07:54.658 occupational therapist 00:07:54.677 --> 00:07:56.238 whoever has a lot to do 00:07:56.298 --> 00:07:57.519 with understanding what the 00:07:57.579 --> 00:07:59.021 charge is we're all 00:07:59.060 --> 00:08:00.161 passionate about what we do 00:08:00.182 --> 00:08:01.704 don't get me wrong but at 00:08:01.744 --> 00:08:04.185 the same time that passion 00:08:04.225 --> 00:08:05.226 with a better understanding 00:08:05.266 --> 00:08:06.228 helps lead to something 00:08:06.387 --> 00:08:08.069 else so I became a manager 00:08:08.108 --> 00:08:09.029 that was my thing like 00:08:09.485 --> 00:08:11.107 I'm mentoring whoever comes in the door. 00:08:11.226 --> 00:08:14.148 That's what we're focused on. 00:08:14.567 --> 00:08:15.649 Who better to do it is 00:08:15.689 --> 00:08:16.889 someone who knows the tricks, 00:08:17.149 --> 00:08:18.769 who knows what it felt like 00:08:18.810 --> 00:08:20.211 to hide and how you were hiding, 00:08:20.290 --> 00:08:21.610 and now you can spot it and 00:08:21.630 --> 00:08:23.252 you can intervene before it hits 90 days. 00:08:23.951 --> 00:08:25.072 Oh, heck yeah. 00:08:26.392 --> 00:08:27.153 There's no such thing as a 00:08:27.194 --> 00:08:28.673 bad student or a bad clinician. 00:08:29.074 --> 00:08:30.115 I just think it's a level of 00:08:30.175 --> 00:08:31.254 understanding. 00:08:31.656 --> 00:08:34.157 That's kind of where my 00:08:34.557 --> 00:08:36.096 mission lies right now. 00:08:36.937 --> 00:08:37.217 I think 00:08:37.642 --> 00:08:38.763 give the world a better 00:08:38.802 --> 00:08:40.423 understanding of what physical therapy is, 00:08:40.604 --> 00:08:42.105 but thinking outside of the 00:08:42.144 --> 00:08:43.785 lines of just like, you know, 00:08:44.767 --> 00:08:47.869 a training and, oh no, we don't do that. 00:08:48.068 --> 00:08:49.090 Right. 00:08:49.629 --> 00:08:53.293 So you mentioned, you mentioned that you, 00:08:53.413 --> 00:08:54.813 you, you're an audiophile. 00:08:54.974 --> 00:08:55.955 You have a podcast too. 00:08:55.995 --> 00:08:57.115 What do you, what do you talk about? 00:08:57.275 --> 00:08:57.635 What do you, 00:08:57.796 --> 00:08:58.836 what do you try to share there? 00:09:00.638 --> 00:09:02.840 So that kind of evolved out of, 00:09:02.860 --> 00:09:04.980 we used to ask students 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:06.022 questions in the clinic 00:09:06.221 --> 00:09:07.423 about their experience. 00:09:08.027 --> 00:09:11.128 and what inspired them to become, you know, 00:09:11.288 --> 00:09:13.668 a student in PTSD. 00:09:15.609 --> 00:09:17.210 And we started asking these questions, 00:09:17.309 --> 00:09:19.629 and it just kind of stretched out. 00:09:20.530 --> 00:09:22.490 And we were looking at the videos, 00:09:22.530 --> 00:09:24.711 looking back at the videos, and, you know, 00:09:24.812 --> 00:09:26.491 we could just delve in a 00:09:26.532 --> 00:09:27.273 little bit deeper. 00:09:27.753 --> 00:09:29.332 And I played with it over 00:09:29.393 --> 00:09:30.313 the last few years during 00:09:30.333 --> 00:09:31.933 the COVID years when there was 00:09:32.947 --> 00:09:34.586 little to do just kind of 00:09:34.626 --> 00:09:36.148 testing stuff out a lot of 00:09:36.168 --> 00:09:37.187 podcasts got started in 00:09:37.187 --> 00:09:38.868 2020 a lot of podcasts I 00:09:38.888 --> 00:09:40.847 mean gosh yeah yeah and and 00:09:40.888 --> 00:09:42.129 I heard you say I think I 00:09:42.149 --> 00:09:42.889 started listening to your 00:09:42.928 --> 00:09:44.408 podcast maybe like a couple 00:09:44.448 --> 00:09:45.349 months ago that's a whole 00:09:45.749 --> 00:09:47.249 story but I want to get it 00:09:47.308 --> 00:09:51.009 but okay but but one of the 00:09:51.049 --> 00:09:52.990 things was is that like my 00:09:53.029 --> 00:09:54.311 whole goal was like I don't 00:09:54.350 --> 00:09:54.890 want to be the eight 00:09:54.951 --> 00:09:56.571 episode guy so yeah I 00:09:56.630 --> 00:09:57.730 really wanted to have 00:09:57.831 --> 00:09:59.110 meaningful conversations 00:09:59.250 --> 00:10:00.692 and and not just with 00:10:00.831 --> 00:10:02.272 students but also patients 00:10:02.292 --> 00:10:02.812 because I think 00:10:03.206 --> 00:10:03.946 one of the things going 00:10:03.966 --> 00:10:04.427 through that whole 00:10:04.466 --> 00:10:05.746 experience where I started 00:10:06.168 --> 00:10:08.028 had to do with a patient that I had, 00:10:08.048 --> 00:10:08.708 and I'll never forget her. 00:10:08.729 --> 00:10:09.328 She was a nurse. 00:10:09.789 --> 00:10:10.669 Yeah. 00:10:11.389 --> 00:10:12.530 And during that time, 00:10:12.551 --> 00:10:13.130 when I was going through 00:10:13.150 --> 00:10:13.971 that whole transition, 00:10:14.032 --> 00:10:14.892 she actually looked at me 00:10:14.991 --> 00:10:15.793 one time and said, you know, 00:10:16.173 --> 00:10:17.134 you don't look like you 00:10:17.173 --> 00:10:18.073 enjoy what you're doing. 00:10:19.835 --> 00:10:21.296 And I always tell students, 00:10:21.355 --> 00:10:22.636 this one important thing is, 00:10:22.677 --> 00:10:23.956 is that your patients will 00:10:24.116 --> 00:10:26.739 always some patients, 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.220 especially the patients that I work with. 00:10:28.299 --> 00:10:30.081 I work primarily with 00:10:30.140 --> 00:10:32.241 patients with neurological conditions, 00:10:32.282 --> 00:10:32.481 right? 00:10:32.501 --> 00:10:32.601 So, 00:10:33.442 --> 00:10:35.503 these patients have like this extra sense. 00:10:35.783 --> 00:10:36.403 I'm going to say that 00:10:36.423 --> 00:10:38.024 because whoever says that's trash, 00:10:38.065 --> 00:10:39.025 whatever, good for you. 00:10:39.546 --> 00:10:40.927 But I feel like they have 00:10:40.966 --> 00:10:41.927 this extra sense. 00:10:41.986 --> 00:10:43.427 They can tell when you're having a bad day, 00:10:43.447 --> 00:10:44.889 a good day, you know, 00:10:44.969 --> 00:10:47.691 when you're just tired or whatever. 00:10:48.371 --> 00:10:49.532 And just out of the blue, 00:10:49.572 --> 00:10:50.633 they'll say something that 00:10:50.753 --> 00:10:52.014 clicks and you're like, shoot, 00:10:52.433 --> 00:10:52.894 let me get my, 00:10:52.913 --> 00:10:54.775 let me get my shit together. 00:10:55.316 --> 00:10:57.057 But it's one of those things 00:10:57.136 --> 00:10:58.477 that you have to, 00:10:58.865 --> 00:11:00.489 You have to be mindful of 00:11:00.568 --> 00:11:02.052 how you're present in front of patients. 00:11:02.273 --> 00:11:03.716 It really does make a difference. 00:11:04.798 --> 00:11:07.078 I heard a story and this had 00:11:07.119 --> 00:11:08.460 to do with the patient in a coma, 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.221 but I mean, the story just resonated. 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:11.880 And it was a guest speaker 00:11:11.900 --> 00:11:13.461 when I was in PT school and 00:11:13.501 --> 00:11:14.461 she was working on a neuro 00:11:14.542 --> 00:11:15.903 unit and the person was in a coma. 00:11:16.702 --> 00:11:18.183 And then six months goes by 00:11:18.224 --> 00:11:19.865 and she's somewhere else in the hospital. 00:11:19.904 --> 00:11:21.625 She's inpatient and someone 00:11:21.666 --> 00:11:23.486 sort of stops and gives her this look. 00:11:23.927 --> 00:11:24.767 And she's like, what? 00:11:25.067 --> 00:11:25.807 And she was like, 00:11:26.028 --> 00:11:27.227 she didn't recognize the patient, 00:11:27.727 --> 00:11:28.489 but it was the patient that 00:11:28.528 --> 00:11:29.048 was in a coma. 00:11:29.089 --> 00:11:29.568 And she was like, 00:11:29.970 --> 00:11:31.149 you would just talk to me. 00:11:31.649 --> 00:11:33.051 And she's like, I heard all of it. 00:11:33.894 --> 00:11:35.173 and like chills like even 00:11:35.215 --> 00:11:36.475 now like right now like 00:11:36.514 --> 00:11:38.216 chills like so like be 00:11:38.275 --> 00:11:39.115 mindful of what you're 00:11:39.135 --> 00:11:39.956 saying when the patient's 00:11:40.216 --> 00:11:41.376 in a coma but also while 00:11:41.397 --> 00:11:44.177 they're awake like like the 00:11:44.278 --> 00:11:45.217 little things are the big 00:11:45.258 --> 00:11:46.658 things eye contact this is 00:11:46.698 --> 00:11:47.599 not just for patient care 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:48.839 this is for life and kids 00:11:48.899 --> 00:11:49.960 and relationships and our 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:51.799 friends is like eye contact 00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:53.321 do you seem present am I 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:54.321 talking to metho right now 00:11:54.341 --> 00:11:55.142 and I'm just like yeah 00:11:55.162 --> 00:11:56.001 uh-huh I'm checking my 00:11:56.022 --> 00:11:57.582 phone right yeah keep going 00:11:57.623 --> 00:11:58.423 keep going like 00:11:59.062 --> 00:12:00.144 those things matter. 00:12:00.183 --> 00:12:02.105 But like when cookie, her name was cookie. 00:12:02.144 --> 00:12:04.307 She was one of my first guests, 1200, 00:12:04.307 --> 00:12:05.067 1300 episodes ago. 00:12:05.467 --> 00:12:07.548 She told that story in class. 00:12:07.568 --> 00:12:08.909 And she was like, I saw that, you know, 00:12:08.929 --> 00:12:09.971 now she's in the inpatient 00:12:10.030 --> 00:12:11.812 or outpatient gym in the hospital. 00:12:11.871 --> 00:12:13.894 And she's like, she's there in the, in the, 00:12:14.014 --> 00:12:14.975 in the parallel bars. 00:12:15.014 --> 00:12:16.855 And she's like, you were that voice. 00:12:16.916 --> 00:12:17.976 I recognize that voice. 00:12:18.017 --> 00:12:19.317 Cause again, when we was in a coma, 00:12:19.817 --> 00:12:20.899 I recognize you talk to me 00:12:20.938 --> 00:12:22.000 about basketball. 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.681 You tell me what happened last night. 00:12:23.721 --> 00:12:24.140 And she's like, 00:12:24.520 --> 00:12:25.341 imagine that was your only 00:12:25.402 --> 00:12:26.623 stimulation for the day. 00:12:28.322 --> 00:12:28.662 Wow. 00:12:29.162 --> 00:12:34.605 I mean, 23 years I've been doing this. 00:12:34.904 --> 00:12:35.826 Have you really? 00:12:35.846 --> 00:12:37.066 Oh, absolutely, man. 00:12:38.187 --> 00:12:39.148 It's one of those things. 00:12:39.447 --> 00:12:41.489 You'll be surprised at 00:12:41.528 --> 00:12:42.928 things that you hear people 00:12:42.990 --> 00:12:44.570 say after the fact that you 00:12:44.610 --> 00:12:46.270 don't even recognize you're doing. 00:12:46.870 --> 00:12:47.971 And it resonates with them 00:12:48.032 --> 00:12:49.153 in such a meaningful way. 00:12:51.073 --> 00:12:51.514 It's insane. 00:12:52.975 --> 00:12:53.575 So you said you've been 00:12:53.595 --> 00:12:54.936 doing this for 23 years. 00:12:56.917 --> 00:12:57.356 Good for you. 00:12:58.860 --> 00:13:00.280 Did you not like it or were 00:13:00.321 --> 00:13:01.302 you uncomfortable? 00:13:01.361 --> 00:13:02.383 Like when those people said 00:13:02.423 --> 00:13:04.004 you look like you don't even like this, 00:13:04.464 --> 00:13:05.845 where do they write that you do? 00:13:06.044 --> 00:13:06.966 Well, here's the thing, man. 00:13:07.285 --> 00:13:07.946 If I'm playing, 00:13:08.246 --> 00:13:09.727 I play beer league men's hockey. 00:13:09.827 --> 00:13:10.727 I got a game tonight. 00:13:10.869 --> 00:13:12.970 If I am playing poorly or 00:13:13.009 --> 00:13:13.971 I'm getting my ass kicked 00:13:13.990 --> 00:13:15.591 or I feel like I don't belong there. 00:13:15.611 --> 00:13:16.533 Right. 00:13:16.692 --> 00:13:17.873 I look like I don't like it either, 00:13:17.913 --> 00:13:19.153 but I want to like it. 00:13:19.475 --> 00:13:20.735 So was it that you didn't 00:13:20.796 --> 00:13:21.895 like it or you were you 00:13:21.956 --> 00:13:22.976 felt you were bad at it? 00:13:22.996 --> 00:13:24.258 Because I can resonate with that, man. 00:13:24.298 --> 00:13:25.719 I felt like all thumbs in the clinic. 00:13:26.667 --> 00:13:28.567 Well, yeah, I think that's what it was, 00:13:28.648 --> 00:13:28.888 though. 00:13:29.568 --> 00:13:31.370 I felt like I did not know 00:13:31.409 --> 00:13:32.269 what I was doing. 00:13:32.870 --> 00:13:34.131 So you imagine playing. 00:13:34.511 --> 00:13:36.513 You get out there to play hockey, 00:13:36.633 --> 00:13:38.714 and you have roller skates on. 00:13:38.995 --> 00:13:39.274 Yes. 00:13:39.534 --> 00:13:43.017 And you're there in the rink, 00:13:43.596 --> 00:13:44.577 and you're out there, 00:13:44.658 --> 00:13:46.119 and you've got your roller skates on. 00:13:46.139 --> 00:13:47.000 You've got your pads on. 00:13:47.019 --> 00:13:47.799 You've got everything that 00:13:47.820 --> 00:13:48.541 you need to play, 00:13:48.581 --> 00:13:49.780 but you're playing in roller skates. 00:13:50.182 --> 00:13:50.402 Right. 00:13:50.442 --> 00:13:50.601 Yes. 00:13:51.158 --> 00:13:51.298 you, 00:13:51.457 --> 00:13:52.859 you just haven't figured out 00:13:53.278 --> 00:13:54.619 rollerblades probably better, 00:13:54.658 --> 00:13:58.341 but you know, like if, if you don't, 00:13:59.061 --> 00:14:00.321 you don't know how to use 00:14:00.341 --> 00:14:01.522 your equipment effectively, 00:14:02.302 --> 00:14:03.701 then it doesn't matter. 00:14:04.363 --> 00:14:04.623 Right. 00:14:04.663 --> 00:14:06.984 Like you won't get your, 00:14:07.004 --> 00:14:08.823 you won't be able to get up to speed. 00:14:09.283 --> 00:14:11.184 You'll just be Josh, you know, 00:14:11.225 --> 00:14:13.405 sloshed around the rink all day long. 00:14:13.525 --> 00:14:13.785 Yeah. 00:14:13.966 --> 00:14:15.307 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm here. 00:14:15.447 --> 00:14:16.147 I'm dressed up. 00:14:17.216 --> 00:14:18.277 which means I keep showing up, 00:14:18.317 --> 00:14:19.878 which means I have a desire 00:14:19.937 --> 00:14:21.479 to be better at this. 00:14:22.438 --> 00:14:23.740 But the worst person to ask 00:14:23.779 --> 00:14:24.961 how to improve is yourself 00:14:24.980 --> 00:14:26.682 because if you knew you'd do it, 00:14:26.741 --> 00:14:29.043 that's where I think it 00:14:29.143 --> 00:14:30.083 might look like a lazy 00:14:30.124 --> 00:14:31.264 thing by telling your manager, 00:14:31.284 --> 00:14:33.446 this is your fault or this is part, 00:14:33.466 --> 00:14:33.625 you know. 00:14:34.269 --> 00:14:35.028 but they're sort of right 00:14:35.090 --> 00:14:36.129 it's like the it's when 00:14:36.169 --> 00:14:37.331 people tell other people to 00:14:37.370 --> 00:14:38.270 pull themselves up by the 00:14:38.311 --> 00:14:39.432 bootstraps that's not 00:14:39.451 --> 00:14:40.331 possible that's not how 00:14:40.352 --> 00:14:41.852 that works you can't ask a 00:14:41.913 --> 00:14:43.333 drowning person to save 00:14:43.374 --> 00:14:44.095 themselves they would have 00:14:44.115 --> 00:14:45.014 done it if they had the 00:14:45.075 --> 00:14:46.275 ability or the knowledge 00:14:46.316 --> 00:14:46.916 they would have done it 00:14:46.975 --> 00:14:48.697 already and and that's 00:14:48.756 --> 00:14:50.317 exactly it but I and I 00:14:50.378 --> 00:14:53.440 think also in that it was I 00:14:53.460 --> 00:14:54.320 don't know I think I'm 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.221 pretty insane at that point 00:14:56.402 --> 00:14:57.402 you can say that because I 00:14:57.701 --> 00:14:58.663 i think about myself but 00:15:00.110 --> 00:15:02.951 It really does make a 00:15:03.171 --> 00:15:04.870 difference in terms of 00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:07.932 pointing that out early. 00:15:08.011 --> 00:15:09.131 There are people around you 00:15:09.172 --> 00:15:10.592 that know that you suck. 00:15:11.533 --> 00:15:14.373 And should they say something to you? 00:15:14.413 --> 00:15:16.254 I remember the speech therapist one time. 00:15:16.933 --> 00:15:18.134 We have a brain injury patient. 00:15:18.193 --> 00:15:19.394 I'm like, that guy's independent. 00:15:19.414 --> 00:15:20.695 He can walk up and down the hallway. 00:15:20.735 --> 00:15:21.434 But she's like, 00:15:21.894 --> 00:15:22.735 you can't even order a 00:15:22.794 --> 00:15:23.796 hamburger at McDonald's. 00:15:23.836 --> 00:15:24.995 How can you call him independent? 00:15:25.035 --> 00:15:25.916 And the thing was, 00:15:26.716 --> 00:15:28.216 it's just understanding the 00:15:28.277 --> 00:15:29.297 pieces of the puzzle. 00:15:30.092 --> 00:15:32.793 Not that you're dumb or whatever. 00:15:32.833 --> 00:15:33.695 It's just you don't 00:15:33.794 --> 00:15:34.595 understand the pieces of 00:15:34.615 --> 00:15:35.916 the puzzle and who's there 00:15:35.936 --> 00:15:36.816 to show it to you. 00:15:37.096 --> 00:15:40.437 And, you know, because of that, 00:15:41.057 --> 00:15:42.337 when I became a manager and 00:15:42.357 --> 00:15:45.440 I started managing teams of people, 00:15:45.500 --> 00:15:47.360 that became very important, 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:48.341 especially as new grads 00:15:48.380 --> 00:15:50.422 that I brought in to spend time with. 00:15:51.601 --> 00:15:52.982 They can hide out really easily. 00:15:53.383 --> 00:15:54.523 Yeah. 00:15:54.582 --> 00:15:57.083 Nobody wants them to treat, you know, 00:15:57.125 --> 00:15:58.245 wants them to treat themselves. 00:15:58.799 --> 00:15:59.841 Well, now that you're a manager, 00:15:59.880 --> 00:16:01.120 now that it's, I mean, 00:16:01.162 --> 00:16:03.123 who better than somebody who's been there, 00:16:03.722 --> 00:16:05.864 who's sucked and now is like, okay, 00:16:05.904 --> 00:16:07.304 now I don't suck, right? 00:16:09.167 --> 00:16:09.986 What do you look for? 00:16:10.067 --> 00:16:11.528 What have you put in place? 00:16:11.548 --> 00:16:11.687 Like, 00:16:11.707 --> 00:16:13.308 do you have really good conversations 00:16:13.649 --> 00:16:14.970 on day zero and go, hey, 00:16:15.009 --> 00:16:15.671 when you're locked, like, 00:16:15.770 --> 00:16:16.770 what do you do to prevent 00:16:16.811 --> 00:16:18.773 that from that happening to someone else? 00:16:19.913 --> 00:16:20.092 Well, 00:16:20.173 --> 00:16:22.335 I think that it boils down to the charge, 00:16:22.615 --> 00:16:22.835 right? 00:16:23.254 --> 00:16:25.557 One of the things that, 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:27.020 that Karen told me. 00:16:27.061 --> 00:16:28.402 And I think this was kind of 00:16:28.581 --> 00:16:30.241 one of those things that to 00:16:30.341 --> 00:16:32.361 get into the culture of some hospitals, 00:16:32.461 --> 00:16:33.403 it's a little difficult 00:16:33.923 --> 00:16:35.342 because some hospitals, they, 00:16:35.462 --> 00:16:38.984 they tend to, um, you know, it's, 00:16:39.344 --> 00:16:40.323 you know, they, they say they, 00:16:40.443 --> 00:16:41.283 there's a saying that 00:16:41.344 --> 00:16:42.424 nurses eat the young, right. 00:16:42.504 --> 00:16:43.004 They're young. 00:16:43.705 --> 00:16:44.945 Um, some, 00:16:45.085 --> 00:16:47.365 sometimes the larger the hospital, 00:16:47.385 --> 00:16:48.505 the larger the institution, 00:16:48.546 --> 00:16:49.865 sometimes the effort is 00:16:49.905 --> 00:16:51.386 spent towards people they already know, 00:16:51.567 --> 00:16:51.767 right. 00:16:52.147 --> 00:16:52.687 Nurses want, 00:16:53.068 --> 00:16:53.909 the therapist that they know 00:16:53.970 --> 00:16:54.830 touching their patients. 00:16:54.970 --> 00:16:56.871 But if you're the new guy, they're like, 00:16:56.951 --> 00:16:57.792 don't touch my patient. 00:16:57.812 --> 00:16:59.293 I don't know you. 00:17:00.494 --> 00:17:02.595 But I think a large part of 00:17:02.615 --> 00:17:03.716 that has to do with 00:17:04.336 --> 00:17:05.156 bringing people to the 00:17:05.196 --> 00:17:06.278 understanding that you're 00:17:06.317 --> 00:17:08.880 not here for you. 00:17:09.059 --> 00:17:10.580 You're here for that person 00:17:10.621 --> 00:17:12.261 in your life that if they 00:17:12.301 --> 00:17:15.384 called you right now and, you know, 00:17:15.463 --> 00:17:17.025 if you can visualize who that person is, 00:17:17.045 --> 00:17:18.405 you can smell who that person is, 00:17:19.266 --> 00:17:19.507 you know, 00:17:19.606 --> 00:17:21.228 hear their voice in your ear right now. 00:17:21.587 --> 00:17:22.749 And they called you right now. 00:17:23.262 --> 00:17:24.104 and said, Jimmy, 00:17:24.163 --> 00:17:25.403 I need you to come right now, 00:17:25.904 --> 00:17:27.144 you would shut off the 00:17:27.184 --> 00:17:28.826 podcast equipment and you 00:17:28.846 --> 00:17:29.886 would be out that door, right? 00:17:30.287 --> 00:17:31.688 And when you think about that person, 00:17:32.127 --> 00:17:33.028 every patient that walks 00:17:33.108 --> 00:17:35.190 into that door is exactly 00:17:35.230 --> 00:17:36.330 who that person is. 00:17:36.530 --> 00:17:38.471 And ultimately, that is our charge. 00:17:38.491 --> 00:17:39.472 That's who we're working with. 00:17:39.512 --> 00:17:41.253 So you would put in extra 00:17:41.354 --> 00:17:42.414 effort for that person in 00:17:42.454 --> 00:17:44.236 your life that means that much to you. 00:17:44.895 --> 00:17:46.317 But for some, you know, 00:17:47.698 --> 00:17:49.499 a random person that you don't know, 00:17:49.878 --> 00:17:50.078 right? 00:17:50.500 --> 00:17:51.759 Jimmy comes into the clinic. 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:52.760 If you don't know Jimmy, 00:17:53.952 --> 00:17:55.093 then all you're doing is 00:17:55.173 --> 00:17:57.394 essentially just treating some guy, 00:17:57.413 --> 00:17:58.095 right? 00:17:58.275 --> 00:18:00.855 Just Jimmy's toe, Jimmy's shoulder. 00:18:01.955 --> 00:18:02.936 And he had a brain injury. 00:18:03.616 --> 00:18:04.017 And it, 00:18:05.637 --> 00:18:07.679 you just don't connect in that way. 00:18:07.818 --> 00:18:09.919 So it just changes everything, you know, 00:18:10.819 --> 00:18:11.559 it makes you want to, 00:18:11.700 --> 00:18:13.221 it makes you work differently and hard, 00:18:13.260 --> 00:18:14.320 well, harder and differently. 00:18:15.080 --> 00:18:15.261 Yeah. 00:18:15.321 --> 00:18:17.521 And, and you put things in context better, 00:18:17.682 --> 00:18:18.262 you know, 00:18:18.643 --> 00:18:19.742 you're not going to allow 00:18:19.823 --> 00:18:21.463 something to just fall off the plate, 00:18:21.844 --> 00:18:23.684 just working hard and, 00:18:24.692 --> 00:18:26.073 constantly working from your 00:18:26.173 --> 00:18:28.594 soul right um to be able to 00:18:29.214 --> 00:18:30.194 deliver something to 00:18:30.234 --> 00:18:31.815 somebody who genuinely 00:18:31.855 --> 00:18:32.875 needs you in this moment 00:18:33.556 --> 00:18:35.096 and they need you to be at 00:18:35.135 --> 00:18:36.876 the top of your game and 00:18:37.856 --> 00:18:39.137 when I started I wasn't I 00:18:39.157 --> 00:18:40.617 wasn't there and I told you 00:18:40.738 --> 00:18:41.759 I'm an audiophile right 00:18:42.098 --> 00:18:44.338 yeah so when I was going to 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:49.320 school um my whole mission 00:18:49.441 --> 00:18:51.481 in life was at first to go 00:18:51.521 --> 00:18:52.001 to medical school 00:18:52.361 --> 00:18:52.961 I was like, all right, 00:18:53.001 --> 00:18:54.643 I'm done doing this. 00:18:55.403 --> 00:18:58.566 And I got the night spot on W.U.F.I. 00:18:59.866 --> 00:19:01.587 Yeah. 00:19:01.788 --> 00:19:05.351 Doing late night jazz at like one, 00:19:05.451 --> 00:19:06.371 two o'clock in the morning. 00:19:06.431 --> 00:19:06.592 Right. 00:19:06.652 --> 00:19:07.491 Yeah. 00:19:07.632 --> 00:19:08.932 And a college radio station 00:19:08.972 --> 00:19:10.294 on a Friday night doing 00:19:10.594 --> 00:19:13.195 playing the jazz that is like, I mean, 00:19:13.497 --> 00:19:14.576 I'm only talking to myself. 00:19:14.958 --> 00:19:15.198 Right. 00:19:15.218 --> 00:19:15.337 Right. 00:19:15.967 --> 00:19:16.666 So, you know, 00:19:16.727 --> 00:19:18.147 I'd get bored and start 00:19:18.387 --> 00:19:19.228 offering a million dollar 00:19:19.307 --> 00:19:20.147 reward or whatever. 00:19:20.167 --> 00:19:24.289 If anybody calls me, please talk to me. 00:19:24.930 --> 00:19:28.010 So my goal in life was to 00:19:29.550 --> 00:19:30.411 get a profession that my 00:19:30.451 --> 00:19:32.231 parents wanted me to have that was very, 00:19:32.352 --> 00:19:33.291 you know, structured. 00:19:33.632 --> 00:19:35.593 And they could go to their friends and say, 00:19:35.752 --> 00:19:37.192 look, you've got a good job. 00:19:37.212 --> 00:19:40.834 And then go take those funds 00:19:41.095 --> 00:19:43.315 and go and support my music 00:19:43.355 --> 00:19:44.675 production stuff so I can 00:19:44.756 --> 00:19:45.756 go and become like 00:19:46.084 --> 00:19:47.263 you know, whatever. 00:19:48.045 --> 00:19:49.525 And that was my thing. 00:19:49.644 --> 00:19:51.066 I've always been a band nerd. 00:19:51.125 --> 00:19:53.346 Like music was my thing always. 00:19:54.547 --> 00:19:57.067 And so this was all part of that thing. 00:19:57.268 --> 00:19:58.847 So I'm not going to medical school. 00:19:59.248 --> 00:20:01.068 I could go to PT school, get in, 00:20:01.088 --> 00:20:01.989 get out at the time it was 00:20:02.009 --> 00:20:02.709 a bachelor's degree. 00:20:02.749 --> 00:20:03.730 So, you know, 00:20:03.930 --> 00:20:05.109 I just had to finish this two 00:20:05.150 --> 00:20:06.030 years and I'm good. 00:20:06.790 --> 00:20:08.030 And I was lined up to go to 00:20:08.070 --> 00:20:10.271 music school in Orlando. 00:20:10.991 --> 00:20:12.952 I was, when I was, when I graduated, 00:20:13.032 --> 00:20:13.452 I was going to be 00:20:13.734 --> 00:20:14.835 done that was it all I had 00:20:14.855 --> 00:20:15.976 to do was work take some 00:20:15.996 --> 00:20:17.796 music school and then boom 00:20:17.996 --> 00:20:19.675 I'm gonna be you know in 00:20:19.736 --> 00:20:21.017 production all day every 00:20:21.037 --> 00:20:24.278 day and they challenged me 00:20:24.298 --> 00:20:26.397 and said that I suck and I 00:20:26.438 --> 00:20:27.698 was like I'm a competitor 00:20:27.758 --> 00:20:29.419 also oh yeah I'm not going 00:20:29.459 --> 00:20:30.939 down like that right so you 00:20:30.959 --> 00:20:32.460 tell me I suck and I gotta 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:33.920 I gotta pick up my game 00:20:33.980 --> 00:20:34.779 here because I'm not gonna 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.020 let that to happen and so 00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:37.941 that's exactly what 00:20:37.980 --> 00:20:39.780 happened that's exactly how 00:20:39.941 --> 00:20:41.082 that all went down but 00:20:41.701 --> 00:20:42.662 still an audiophile 00:20:43.501 --> 00:20:44.001 How was, 00:20:44.702 --> 00:20:46.884 what'd you like about being on the radio? 00:20:47.325 --> 00:20:48.746 It's different when you're standing there. 00:20:48.846 --> 00:20:49.726 I can tell you my first 00:20:49.746 --> 00:20:51.166 story from college radio, 00:20:51.847 --> 00:20:53.568 but what would you like about it? 00:20:53.588 --> 00:20:55.329 Because you really, you can't explain it. 00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:56.171 It's hard to explain to 00:20:56.211 --> 00:20:56.990 people who haven't done it. 00:20:58.192 --> 00:21:01.074 Well, I started out DJing in high school, 00:21:01.114 --> 00:21:01.294 right? 00:21:01.433 --> 00:21:04.536 So we would DJ parties and all that stuff. 00:21:04.557 --> 00:21:07.038 Like I loved that part of it. 00:21:07.137 --> 00:21:08.719 My crew and I would get out 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.180 there and go DJ parties and 00:21:10.220 --> 00:21:10.961 everything was lovely. 00:21:11.686 --> 00:21:13.406 And then I finally got the 00:21:13.467 --> 00:21:14.667 nod to get into the radio 00:21:14.708 --> 00:21:15.627 station and I was like, 00:21:16.548 --> 00:21:17.407 I'm going to be the next 00:21:17.468 --> 00:21:19.608 big thing in my life. 00:21:19.628 --> 00:21:20.528 We're going to sign up and 00:21:20.548 --> 00:21:21.729 then you get that 12 00:21:21.729 --> 00:21:22.989 o'clock spot because that's 00:21:23.028 --> 00:21:24.069 the only one and you're the 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:25.829 new guy and it was better 00:21:25.849 --> 00:21:27.170 than opening records from 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:30.871 the record labels and then I was like, 00:21:31.111 --> 00:21:31.431 fuck. 00:21:31.790 --> 00:21:32.711 I had the whole, 00:21:32.730 --> 00:21:34.811 I had the mixing boards that I wanted. 00:21:34.852 --> 00:21:36.852 I had the reels and the 00:21:36.912 --> 00:21:37.971 drops and I had all this 00:21:38.031 --> 00:21:40.772 stuff that I had access to and 00:21:41.229 --> 00:21:41.669 At the time, 00:21:41.729 --> 00:21:43.471 I used to listen to a lot of talk radio. 00:21:43.530 --> 00:21:45.592 So it was like, okay, this is great. 00:21:46.031 --> 00:21:47.173 I can do my own thing. 00:21:47.232 --> 00:21:48.534 But again, 00:21:48.814 --> 00:21:50.976 little knowledge and a lot of access. 00:21:50.996 --> 00:21:52.656 You don't know how to make it work. 00:21:53.076 --> 00:21:57.299 So what I could have done in hindsight, 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.842 you know, could have been great. 00:22:02.603 --> 00:22:03.384 It's simple. 00:22:03.604 --> 00:22:04.765 It's simple, but not easy. 00:22:04.904 --> 00:22:08.007 The first time I was in upstate, up, up, 00:22:08.207 --> 00:22:09.107 up, western New York. 00:22:10.084 --> 00:22:11.204 knowing that the there were 00:22:11.325 --> 00:22:12.244 six people listening 00:22:12.305 --> 00:22:13.486 because they were my my 00:22:13.846 --> 00:22:14.727 people that lived on my 00:22:14.767 --> 00:22:17.028 floor my six buddies that's 00:22:17.188 --> 00:22:19.128 it uh it was a two it was 00:22:19.189 --> 00:22:20.410 two we did two hours so it 00:22:20.430 --> 00:22:21.190 was two to four in the 00:22:21.230 --> 00:22:22.270 morning on a wednesday it 00:22:22.290 --> 00:22:23.290 was a weekday two to four 00:22:23.310 --> 00:22:24.112 in the morning not even a 00:22:24.132 --> 00:22:24.652 night when people were 00:22:24.692 --> 00:22:25.511 going out from coming back 00:22:25.531 --> 00:22:26.553 from the bar no one's 00:22:26.593 --> 00:22:30.295 listening and yet I was 00:22:30.355 --> 00:22:32.375 like the I am the entire 00:22:32.415 --> 00:22:33.797 radio station for two hours 00:22:34.156 --> 00:22:35.597 I was like I can do this 00:22:36.298 --> 00:22:38.479 So I think I remember when you get there, 00:22:38.838 --> 00:22:40.240 the last guy is playing his 00:22:40.299 --> 00:22:40.920 song or whatever. 00:22:40.940 --> 00:22:41.980 He's like, hey, man, that's my last song. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.040 When this is over, you're up. 00:22:43.181 --> 00:22:44.060 Where's your first song? 00:22:44.101 --> 00:22:44.740 Whatever, put it in. 00:22:45.161 --> 00:22:46.162 I play my first song. 00:22:46.461 --> 00:22:47.582 In between my first and my second, 00:22:47.602 --> 00:22:48.063 I'm going to turn the 00:22:48.083 --> 00:22:49.222 microphone on for the first time. 00:22:50.323 --> 00:22:51.564 And I know what button to hit. 00:22:51.584 --> 00:22:53.805 But now you're thinking your 00:22:53.904 --> 00:22:55.605 whole life is led up to this moment. 00:22:56.486 --> 00:22:57.066 I did the morning 00:22:57.086 --> 00:22:58.326 announcements in sixth grade, 00:22:58.385 --> 00:22:59.247 and I just loved it. 00:22:59.287 --> 00:23:00.507 And then I DJed a little bit. 00:23:00.826 --> 00:23:01.988 My brother did more of the DJing. 00:23:02.008 --> 00:23:03.387 I did more of the talking at 00:23:03.428 --> 00:23:04.588 parties and stuff like that. 00:23:05.651 --> 00:23:07.713 And I did my first mic break. 00:23:07.933 --> 00:23:09.376 I don't remember what song I came out over, 00:23:09.396 --> 00:23:10.900 went into, but said something, 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:12.863 probably nothing good and 00:23:12.923 --> 00:23:14.306 push play on the second song. 00:23:14.546 --> 00:23:15.326 And I went to the, 00:23:15.428 --> 00:23:17.951 I ran down the hall and vomited and, 00:23:19.703 --> 00:23:21.165 splash some water back in my mouth, 00:23:21.205 --> 00:23:22.346 do the real quick thing and 00:23:22.366 --> 00:23:23.107 then ran back. 00:23:23.147 --> 00:23:26.050 And I was like, because someone could, 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:26.791 you could say it was 00:23:26.811 --> 00:23:28.594 because I was nervous and I was, 00:23:28.634 --> 00:23:30.655 but it was like, because I cared so much, 00:23:31.336 --> 00:23:32.237 it was like all this 00:23:32.337 --> 00:23:33.878 pressure on one thing and 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:35.580 it literally came out. 00:23:35.760 --> 00:23:37.303 But as soon as I was done, I was like, 00:23:37.323 --> 00:23:37.782 okay, 00:23:38.443 --> 00:23:39.404 I didn't say anything about it on 00:23:39.424 --> 00:23:39.664 the air. 00:23:39.704 --> 00:23:40.266 So no one knew. 00:23:40.286 --> 00:23:40.365 Yeah. 00:23:42.288 --> 00:23:42.428 Well, 00:23:42.448 --> 00:23:43.669 the six people would have found out 00:23:43.709 --> 00:23:44.509 eventually. 00:23:45.009 --> 00:23:46.611 But it came out and I was like, okay, 00:23:46.851 --> 00:23:47.811 we got past that. 00:23:47.892 --> 00:23:49.093 Let's play song three. 00:23:49.212 --> 00:23:49.853 And then let's think of 00:23:49.893 --> 00:23:50.653 something funny to say 00:23:50.693 --> 00:23:51.994 between song three and four. 00:23:52.815 --> 00:23:54.316 And, but that, 00:23:54.435 --> 00:23:55.797 if that isn't a parallel 00:23:56.637 --> 00:23:57.838 between what you were talking about, 00:23:57.878 --> 00:24:00.279 which is like, I'm not good at this, 00:24:00.381 --> 00:24:01.740 but I really want to be. 00:24:01.862 --> 00:24:03.082 So I'm willing to suck, 00:24:04.202 --> 00:24:05.544 but I need people to talk 00:24:05.604 --> 00:24:06.984 to and help me suck. 00:24:07.125 --> 00:24:08.306 And you have to be, you have to be like, 00:24:08.445 --> 00:24:10.607 I'm willing to say I'm Jimmy and I'm, 00:24:10.847 --> 00:24:11.147 I suck. 00:24:13.275 --> 00:24:14.974 in a week or a month or six 00:24:15.015 --> 00:24:16.336 months I don't want to suck 00:24:16.375 --> 00:24:18.037 as bad as this and then 00:24:18.257 --> 00:24:19.196 when do you get good I 00:24:19.217 --> 00:24:21.198 don't know somewhere along 00:24:21.218 --> 00:24:22.298 the lines and then the 00:24:22.337 --> 00:24:23.479 really really great people 00:24:23.598 --> 00:24:24.739 never stop trying to be a 00:24:24.798 --> 00:24:26.319 little better and it sounds 00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:27.200 simple but it's not 00:24:28.101 --> 00:24:29.540 absolutely but but see like 00:24:29.580 --> 00:24:31.261 you said um you know I had 00:24:31.301 --> 00:24:31.922 a conversation with 00:24:31.942 --> 00:24:32.722 somebody the other day and 00:24:32.762 --> 00:24:33.682 we were talking about 00:24:34.602 --> 00:24:36.522 You strive towards getting 00:24:36.603 --> 00:24:38.442 to that level of perfection, 00:24:38.583 --> 00:24:39.242 even though you know you're 00:24:39.262 --> 00:24:39.982 not going to get there. 00:24:40.123 --> 00:24:41.483 Yes, it is a target. 00:24:42.163 --> 00:24:45.125 You kind of work towards that level, 00:24:45.164 --> 00:24:45.924 and you're constantly 00:24:45.964 --> 00:24:47.144 evolving in that process 00:24:47.164 --> 00:24:47.925 and learning in that 00:24:47.986 --> 00:24:50.425 process and reading through 00:24:50.726 --> 00:24:52.727 and challenging your own 00:24:52.866 --> 00:24:53.926 ideas and thoughts. 00:24:54.646 --> 00:24:57.008 And as you evolve in that, 00:24:57.028 --> 00:25:00.388 you just get better, I guess. 00:25:01.104 --> 00:25:02.545 because you're hoping that 00:25:02.585 --> 00:25:04.144 people aren't sitting behind you saying, 00:25:04.285 --> 00:25:05.385 oh, this sucks. 00:25:05.925 --> 00:25:06.145 Yeah, 00:25:06.266 --> 00:25:08.346 I think it's when I stopped focusing 00:25:08.386 --> 00:25:09.487 on how bad I was and 00:25:09.547 --> 00:25:10.866 focused on what's one thing 00:25:10.946 --> 00:25:13.508 I can do better now that I 00:25:13.548 --> 00:25:14.709 didn't do 15 minutes ago 00:25:14.828 --> 00:25:16.489 and just focus on that one thing. 00:25:17.009 --> 00:25:18.390 And when you focus on that, 00:25:18.509 --> 00:25:20.090 it's less focusing on how 00:25:20.171 --> 00:25:21.330 bad I am right now. 00:25:22.171 --> 00:25:23.192 And then you realize when 00:25:23.211 --> 00:25:24.791 you're not focusing on how 00:25:24.912 --> 00:25:26.633 awkward I probably sound or whatever, 00:25:26.673 --> 00:25:27.532 you're like, okay, 00:25:27.573 --> 00:25:28.753 do this one thing well. 00:25:29.760 --> 00:25:30.461 That's the trick. 00:25:30.661 --> 00:25:32.561 The trick is to don't focus 00:25:32.642 --> 00:25:34.021 on how wobbly the bike is. 00:25:34.122 --> 00:25:35.383 Focus on 10 feet in front of 00:25:35.423 --> 00:25:35.863 you and be like, OK, 00:25:35.903 --> 00:25:36.722 I got to get to 10 feet 00:25:37.103 --> 00:25:38.003 because my previous records 00:25:38.064 --> 00:25:39.324 five feet before I fell over. 00:25:39.443 --> 00:25:41.204 And like that's as dumb as it sounds. 00:25:41.644 --> 00:25:42.565 That's actually it. 00:25:42.664 --> 00:25:44.286 Like that's that's the life hack. 00:25:44.326 --> 00:25:45.506 That's that's the trick. 00:25:46.486 --> 00:25:46.926 That is it. 00:25:47.086 --> 00:25:47.946 So just curious, 00:25:48.686 --> 00:25:49.887 what kind of music did you 00:25:49.907 --> 00:25:51.167 play on that that station? 00:25:51.980 --> 00:25:52.680 College station, 00:25:53.101 --> 00:25:54.040 you play whatever you want. 00:25:54.280 --> 00:25:56.663 I mainly play college radio station. 00:25:57.403 --> 00:25:58.243 And a lot of college radio 00:25:58.263 --> 00:26:01.246 stations will require classical or jazz. 00:26:01.806 --> 00:26:03.086 This, we were in the middle of nowhere. 00:26:03.467 --> 00:26:04.847 So I think the local community was like, 00:26:04.907 --> 00:26:05.307 whatever. 00:26:05.648 --> 00:26:06.588 So we played anything. 00:26:06.648 --> 00:26:09.651 So at any given time during the day, WSBU, 00:26:09.651 --> 00:26:10.511 88.3 WSBU, the buzz. 00:26:13.354 --> 00:26:14.834 you might get metal for two 00:26:14.875 --> 00:26:16.115 hours or then you might get 00:26:16.234 --> 00:26:17.575 pop for two hours and then 00:26:17.615 --> 00:26:18.836 you might get what it was sort of like, 00:26:19.016 --> 00:26:19.996 it was cool because you 00:26:20.056 --> 00:26:20.756 didn't really know. 00:26:20.855 --> 00:26:21.717 It was really like, 00:26:21.916 --> 00:26:23.537 it was an iPod before iPods 00:26:23.596 --> 00:26:24.396 came out where it was like, 00:26:24.498 --> 00:26:25.478 I don't know what's going to happen. 00:26:26.377 --> 00:26:28.199 Um, and then I worked in, 00:26:28.598 --> 00:26:30.439 then I did an internship at 92, 00:26:30.439 --> 00:26:31.960 three K rock New York where 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:32.880 Howard Stern was a, 00:26:33.700 --> 00:26:34.760 a little bit of a personality. 00:26:35.101 --> 00:26:36.361 And that was his last summer 00:26:36.421 --> 00:26:37.561 of terrestrial radio before 00:26:37.582 --> 00:26:38.261 he went to XM. 00:26:39.232 --> 00:26:41.074 So he had zero Fs. 00:26:41.453 --> 00:26:42.615 He didn't care at all. 00:26:42.694 --> 00:26:43.976 He knew where he was going next. 00:26:44.115 --> 00:26:45.516 So he was like burning bridges. 00:26:45.536 --> 00:26:46.497 So it was kind of fun to 00:26:46.537 --> 00:26:48.198 watch the ship explode a little bit, 00:26:49.038 --> 00:26:49.759 but I was the intern. 00:26:49.778 --> 00:26:51.298 So he, he treated us really well. 00:26:51.318 --> 00:26:52.519 We got treated well by the station. 00:26:52.539 --> 00:26:53.279 Cause they were like, well, 00:26:53.861 --> 00:26:55.662 you're free labor, but you're, you know, 00:26:55.862 --> 00:26:57.403 we don't, we didn't treat us poorly. 00:26:58.042 --> 00:26:58.702 And then I worked in, 00:26:58.803 --> 00:26:59.844 I worked mainly in rock or 00:26:59.884 --> 00:27:00.983 alternative rock radio, 00:27:01.023 --> 00:27:01.505 but that was what I 00:27:01.545 --> 00:27:02.325 listened to when I grew up. 00:27:02.684 --> 00:27:03.526 I got to work for my 00:27:03.546 --> 00:27:05.366 hometown radio station at age 12 and, 00:27:06.933 --> 00:27:08.535 This station signed on. 00:27:08.974 --> 00:27:12.756 I heard Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit. 00:27:13.076 --> 00:27:14.136 And on the radio, 00:27:14.156 --> 00:27:14.896 I heard that for the first 00:27:14.936 --> 00:27:16.137 time from the station. 00:27:16.637 --> 00:27:19.058 Fast forward eight years or six, 00:27:19.239 --> 00:27:21.200 seven years, I'm on that station. 00:27:21.579 --> 00:27:24.060 My friends were like, for half a second, 00:27:24.141 --> 00:27:25.422 I was cool because my friends were like, 00:27:25.481 --> 00:27:27.021 you got a job on our station? 00:27:27.041 --> 00:27:29.423 I'm like, yeah, midnight to 6 a.m. 00:27:29.742 --> 00:27:30.983 on Saturdays and Sundays. 00:27:31.463 --> 00:27:33.464 It didn't matter because I was like, 00:27:34.305 --> 00:27:34.965 I'm in the door. 00:27:35.006 --> 00:27:35.705 I got a chance. 00:27:36.686 --> 00:27:37.307 And then you start to 00:27:37.326 --> 00:27:38.507 process all over again 00:27:38.527 --> 00:27:41.347 because now you're the crappiest guy. 00:27:41.367 --> 00:27:42.608 You go from being the guy 00:27:42.648 --> 00:27:43.788 vomiting to being the best 00:27:43.828 --> 00:27:45.148 guy on the college radio station. 00:27:45.509 --> 00:27:46.670 And then you get hired and 00:27:46.809 --> 00:27:48.309 instantly you're the weakest link. 00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:50.790 And then you move to a new station. 00:27:50.971 --> 00:27:52.191 And I got news for you, everybody. 00:27:52.770 --> 00:27:53.790 This is sort of life. 00:27:54.050 --> 00:27:56.751 Because you don't want to be 00:27:56.951 --> 00:27:58.272 the biggest or best fish in 00:27:58.292 --> 00:27:58.972 the smallest pond. 00:27:58.992 --> 00:28:01.953 You want to find bigger 00:28:02.114 --> 00:28:03.253 lakes or seas or oceans. 00:28:04.332 --> 00:28:05.573 But you've got to go back to 00:28:05.613 --> 00:28:06.753 being the novice. 00:28:07.534 --> 00:28:08.055 Absolutely. 00:28:08.414 --> 00:28:09.194 Over and over again. 00:28:09.214 --> 00:28:12.337 That's the skill of that 00:28:12.397 --> 00:28:13.778 whole learning process, too. 00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:16.961 You're constantly evolving to get better. 00:28:17.401 --> 00:28:18.321 Learning is a skill. 00:28:18.541 --> 00:28:19.122 It is a skill. 00:28:19.142 --> 00:28:19.843 That is a skill. 00:28:20.282 --> 00:28:21.624 And you have to be open to 00:28:21.864 --> 00:28:23.164 recognizing the fact that 00:28:23.986 --> 00:28:25.467 you may not have all the answers. 00:28:25.527 --> 00:28:26.468 And being okay with that. 00:28:27.788 --> 00:28:28.548 I don't know what I'm doing. 00:28:29.263 --> 00:28:30.223 Show me where I need to go. 00:28:30.285 --> 00:28:31.224 Show me what I need to do. 00:28:31.285 --> 00:28:32.405 But not hiding from it, 00:28:32.465 --> 00:28:33.705 which I've been guilty and 00:28:34.467 --> 00:28:35.686 because that's the last thing. 00:28:35.926 --> 00:28:36.867 My dad was a New York City 00:28:36.907 --> 00:28:38.449 fireman and he would tell me he's like, 00:28:38.868 --> 00:28:39.689 we're taught when we go 00:28:39.709 --> 00:28:41.710 into a apartment fire, 00:28:42.931 --> 00:28:44.471 if we see toys or anything, 00:28:44.571 --> 00:28:45.652 he's like that our mindset 00:28:45.791 --> 00:28:46.913 all of a sudden switches 00:28:47.492 --> 00:28:48.933 because kids are programmed to hide. 00:28:49.594 --> 00:28:51.215 So fire is scary, and I hide. 00:28:51.276 --> 00:28:53.557 So he was like, the question was always, 00:28:54.318 --> 00:28:55.019 do kids live here? 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:55.900 And if the answer is yes, 00:28:56.441 --> 00:28:57.362 it changed how they 00:28:57.422 --> 00:28:58.282 searched the apartment 00:28:58.462 --> 00:28:59.844 because now they looked under every bed, 00:29:00.484 --> 00:29:02.467 in every toy box, in every closet, 00:29:02.567 --> 00:29:03.288 in every bathtub. 00:29:03.488 --> 00:29:05.369 Adults didn't do that for 00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:06.451 some reason because adults are like, 00:29:06.471 --> 00:29:06.892 get away. 00:29:07.192 --> 00:29:07.972 But kids hide. 00:29:07.992 --> 00:29:08.093 Right. 00:29:09.096 --> 00:29:10.196 I think that's a pattern 00:29:10.497 --> 00:29:11.356 when we get into scary 00:29:11.396 --> 00:29:12.678 situations that we hide. 00:29:12.718 --> 00:29:14.519 And I've been guilty of that myself, 00:29:14.919 --> 00:29:16.000 even as an adult. 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.161 I mean, it's fight, flight, or freeze. 00:29:19.381 --> 00:29:23.723 And sometimes freeze is hide. 00:29:24.104 --> 00:29:25.865 And that can be the 00:29:25.904 --> 00:29:27.826 detriment to ourself or our patients. 00:29:28.405 --> 00:29:29.405 But there's a way out of it. 00:29:29.547 --> 00:29:30.666 And the answer is learning it. 00:29:30.987 --> 00:29:32.307 And someone being nice 00:29:32.367 --> 00:29:33.429 enough or good enough to be like, 00:29:34.828 --> 00:29:35.890 you're too smart to not be 00:29:35.950 --> 00:29:37.049 better than this is 00:29:37.069 --> 00:29:38.090 probably a good compliment. 00:29:38.777 --> 00:29:39.317 Absolutely. 00:29:39.656 --> 00:29:41.498 Absolutely. 00:29:41.698 --> 00:29:43.018 And just think about this. 00:29:43.317 --> 00:29:44.478 And I would say that to any 00:29:44.518 --> 00:29:46.398 new grad is that always remember too, 00:29:46.439 --> 00:29:49.239 that these companies are investing in you, 00:29:49.578 --> 00:29:49.939 right? 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:52.559 You know, if you hire somebody, 00:29:52.579 --> 00:29:53.799 you hire a new grad or you 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.180 hire anybody for that reason, 00:29:55.641 --> 00:29:57.760 it costs money to bring you on board. 00:29:57.961 --> 00:29:58.161 Right. 00:29:58.721 --> 00:29:58.980 All right. 00:29:59.181 --> 00:30:00.741 And when you start, 00:30:01.061 --> 00:30:02.082 they're investing in you. 00:30:02.281 --> 00:30:03.442 So you could tell a good 00:30:03.481 --> 00:30:05.002 company or bad company by 00:30:05.063 --> 00:30:06.923 how much time you spend in 00:30:07.914 --> 00:30:09.356 getting mentors or 00:30:09.477 --> 00:30:10.157 connecting you with 00:30:10.198 --> 00:30:11.680 somebody internally that 00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:14.505 can help put you or set you 00:30:14.525 --> 00:30:15.246 in the right direction. 00:30:15.266 --> 00:30:16.586 Cause that makes all the difference. 00:30:16.647 --> 00:30:17.127 It does. 00:30:18.810 --> 00:30:19.612 It's a, it's a, 00:30:19.791 --> 00:30:20.794 it's a call it's time 00:30:20.854 --> 00:30:22.715 effort and it is money, but, but, 00:30:23.811 --> 00:30:25.373 If a company isn't willing to do it, 00:30:25.733 --> 00:30:26.233 they're just going to 00:30:26.253 --> 00:30:27.434 replace you with the next person. 00:30:27.654 --> 00:30:28.435 And I got news for you. 00:30:28.976 --> 00:30:30.436 That person's going to need help too. 00:30:31.117 --> 00:30:32.157 And it's just going to be a 00:30:32.219 --> 00:30:32.818 revolving door. 00:30:32.898 --> 00:30:33.219 So yeah, 00:30:33.239 --> 00:30:34.820 the good ones always seem to have 00:30:34.840 --> 00:30:35.601 the magic fix. 00:30:35.641 --> 00:30:37.903 And the magic fix is invest in people. 00:30:39.104 --> 00:30:39.604 Absolutely. 00:30:39.864 --> 00:30:40.444 Give me the best version. 00:30:40.464 --> 00:30:41.025 Invest in your people. 00:30:41.045 --> 00:30:42.526 It'll never scare you wrong. 00:30:42.906 --> 00:30:44.587 Your teams make a difference 00:30:44.607 --> 00:30:46.388 to how well you take care of your team. 00:30:47.130 --> 00:30:48.530 And that just allows your 00:30:48.550 --> 00:30:50.952 investments to actually 00:30:51.472 --> 00:30:52.554 grow and grow and give back 00:30:52.574 --> 00:30:53.454 dividends in the long run. 00:30:54.144 --> 00:30:55.484 Yeah. 00:30:55.565 --> 00:30:56.925 So you did launch a podcast. 00:30:56.986 --> 00:30:57.707 Are you still doing it? 00:30:57.747 --> 00:30:58.307 What's it called? 00:30:58.326 --> 00:30:59.647 I'm still doing the podcast. 00:30:59.768 --> 00:31:01.910 It's called Ask with Dr. 00:31:01.950 --> 00:31:04.291 Hanson PT and my co-host Kyra. 00:31:04.311 --> 00:31:05.292 Shout out to you, Kyra. 00:31:06.794 --> 00:31:08.255 And essentially, you know, 00:31:09.215 --> 00:31:11.397 the slug liner on there is 00:31:11.498 --> 00:31:12.959 a little bit about PT and a 00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:13.638 lot about life. 00:31:14.420 --> 00:31:15.661 And again, 00:31:15.721 --> 00:31:19.463 the idea being is that we're 00:31:19.503 --> 00:31:20.545 really focused on 00:31:21.174 --> 00:31:22.996 talking about how PT 00:31:23.076 --> 00:31:24.517 intersects with the regular 00:31:24.557 --> 00:31:28.059 world and patients and 00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:29.099 digging deeper and then 00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:30.760 finding answers to, you know, 00:31:30.840 --> 00:31:32.363 I can tell you what a 00:31:32.903 --> 00:31:35.163 patient goes through after 00:31:35.223 --> 00:31:36.265 having a spinal cord injury, 00:31:36.545 --> 00:31:37.365 but here's the reality. 00:31:37.806 --> 00:31:38.646 If I have a patient with a 00:31:38.666 --> 00:31:39.787 spinal cord injury come on 00:31:39.887 --> 00:31:40.887 and have a conversation 00:31:40.928 --> 00:31:42.128 about their experiences 00:31:42.548 --> 00:31:44.029 working with the PTs in 00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:45.892 their life and in their past, 00:31:46.771 --> 00:31:48.673 what you'll likely get is a 00:31:48.732 --> 00:31:50.914 more honest conversation because 00:31:51.505 --> 00:31:53.286 my textbook or my experience 00:31:53.445 --> 00:31:56.007 is no longer as valid as 00:31:56.268 --> 00:31:58.209 someone's experience, uh, 00:31:58.388 --> 00:32:00.789 in sitting down with, uh, 00:32:02.191 --> 00:32:03.371 that having gone through 00:32:03.391 --> 00:32:04.231 that whole experience. 00:32:04.311 --> 00:32:04.531 Right. 00:32:04.711 --> 00:32:08.854 So that's kind of where that, um, podcast, 00:32:08.973 --> 00:32:09.674 uh, has gone. 00:32:09.714 --> 00:32:12.076 And so, um, quite a few patients, 00:32:12.175 --> 00:32:14.237 I was surprised because I was a little, 00:32:14.257 --> 00:32:17.178 you know, uh, reticent to ask, like, 00:32:17.479 --> 00:32:17.778 you know, 00:32:17.858 --> 00:32:19.098 the journey on this podcast thing, 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:20.039 I'm trying to do things. 00:32:20.511 --> 00:32:21.251 like, oh no, 00:32:21.311 --> 00:32:22.372 I'd definitely love to have 00:32:22.412 --> 00:32:23.333 these conversations with 00:32:23.373 --> 00:32:24.393 people because I've had a 00:32:24.432 --> 00:32:25.272 lot of therapists that have 00:32:25.313 --> 00:32:26.573 sucked at that. 00:32:27.354 --> 00:32:30.934 That's embarrassing, but okay, go ahead. 00:32:31.055 --> 00:32:32.154 We're just gearing up and 00:32:32.595 --> 00:32:33.694 just been trying to figure 00:32:33.755 --> 00:32:36.096 out how to best put this thing together. 00:32:36.135 --> 00:32:37.996 So far, so good. 00:32:38.016 --> 00:32:39.977 Where are you in the process? 00:32:41.376 --> 00:32:43.076 We've released our, 00:32:43.096 --> 00:32:45.198 I want to say it's our sixth episode. 00:32:46.417 --> 00:32:47.538 Our sixth episode just came 00:32:47.598 --> 00:32:48.939 out with one of our former students, 00:32:48.979 --> 00:32:49.519 the formerly 00:32:50.419 --> 00:32:53.344 army uh veteran and now ppa 00:32:53.384 --> 00:32:55.247 student so uh we had a 00:32:55.287 --> 00:32:56.368 conversation with him and 00:32:56.409 --> 00:32:58.271 about his you know seven 00:32:58.291 --> 00:32:59.433 years in the military and 00:32:59.913 --> 00:33:02.858 just looking at um adding 00:33:02.898 --> 00:33:04.481 more to the collection I'm trying not to 00:33:04.929 --> 00:33:06.950 fall into that eight podcast category. 00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:08.849 I think it's eight or two. 00:33:09.349 --> 00:33:11.530 If you get to episode 10 or something, 00:33:11.550 --> 00:33:12.711 if you release 10, 00:33:12.711 --> 00:33:14.951 you are in the top 1% of podcasters, 00:33:16.251 --> 00:33:17.471 which just shows you... I 00:33:19.153 --> 00:33:19.752 needed to read the 00:33:19.772 --> 00:33:21.553 statistic three times because I was like, 00:33:21.553 --> 00:33:22.513 10? 00:33:22.513 --> 00:33:24.134 But I guess it's because so 00:33:24.173 --> 00:33:27.595 many people do one or two and then stop. 00:33:27.634 --> 00:33:28.795 So it means the bottom of 00:33:28.835 --> 00:33:31.556 that pyramid is so wide that... 00:33:32.395 --> 00:33:33.936 The top 1% is 10. 00:33:34.616 --> 00:33:35.576 But I think a lot of people, 00:33:35.876 --> 00:33:37.317 they do that where they 00:33:37.698 --> 00:33:38.978 release it and they think 00:33:40.999 --> 00:33:42.459 it's similar to going to the gym. 00:33:42.538 --> 00:33:42.659 Dude, 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:43.940 I went to the gym and I was like 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.721 working really hard for like an hour. 00:33:46.101 --> 00:33:48.221 And I went home and I didn't have abs. 00:33:49.182 --> 00:33:49.882 It's like there's no abs. 00:33:51.055 --> 00:33:52.978 And I was like, well, yes, 00:33:53.597 --> 00:33:54.599 but you got to stack a 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:55.942 bunch of days in a row. 00:33:55.961 --> 00:33:57.903 I got bad news for you. 00:33:57.923 --> 00:33:58.805 I got bad news, good news. 00:33:58.865 --> 00:34:00.426 Bad news, this is going to take some time. 00:34:00.728 --> 00:34:02.210 The good news, if you keep up with it, 00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:02.951 it will work. 00:34:04.025 --> 00:34:04.685 So question, 00:34:05.365 --> 00:34:07.228 how did you get this far into 00:34:07.268 --> 00:34:07.749 this process? 00:34:07.788 --> 00:34:07.969 I mean, 00:34:08.009 --> 00:34:09.469 you're thousands of episodes into 00:34:09.789 --> 00:34:10.952 this thing. 00:34:11.032 --> 00:34:11.291 Yeah. 00:34:11.751 --> 00:34:14.715 How did you maintain that energy? 00:34:15.195 --> 00:34:15.795 Yeah. 00:34:16.056 --> 00:34:18.659 Someone gave me a compliment that, 00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:20.400 because I started this as a student. 00:34:21.041 --> 00:34:22.202 Now, I had a 15-year run-up. 00:34:24.085 --> 00:34:26.085 in radio before I went to PT school, 00:34:26.126 --> 00:34:26.286 right? 00:34:26.346 --> 00:34:27.485 And then I got to PT school 00:34:27.525 --> 00:34:29.005 and it was probably the right time. 00:34:29.286 --> 00:34:30.246 None of this was strategic. 00:34:30.286 --> 00:34:31.027 I would love to be like, 00:34:31.387 --> 00:34:32.266 here's my strategy. 00:34:32.327 --> 00:34:33.327 And it worked exactly right. 00:34:33.367 --> 00:34:37.248 This was all blind accident serendipity. 00:34:37.768 --> 00:34:38.289 So it was 2015. 00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:41.009 I'm a second year student 00:34:41.789 --> 00:34:43.849 and I don't feel like I fit. 00:34:44.130 --> 00:34:44.550 I feel it. 00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:45.650 This is why when you said I sucked, 00:34:45.670 --> 00:34:46.170 I was like, yes, 00:34:46.311 --> 00:34:47.351 I understand what that feels like. 00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:49.291 I liked everything in PT. 00:34:49.311 --> 00:34:50.311 I sort of liked everything. 00:34:50.791 --> 00:34:52.373 But I didn't want to invest 00:34:52.393 --> 00:34:53.635 my life in any of it. 00:34:53.675 --> 00:34:54.876 So I was like, I like everything, 00:34:54.916 --> 00:34:55.717 but I don't love anything. 00:34:55.757 --> 00:34:57.398 So I went to quit PT school. 00:34:59.315 --> 00:35:00.815 Now, meanwhile, 00:35:01.175 --> 00:35:02.817 there was a contest going on. 00:35:03.016 --> 00:35:04.157 And this is how dumb this is. 00:35:04.177 --> 00:35:05.278 There was a contest going on 00:35:05.318 --> 00:35:07.119 by some residency saying, 00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:09.240 write an essay for a thousand words. 00:35:09.942 --> 00:35:12.262 And first prize is a $15,000 00:35:12.262 --> 00:35:13.304 residency scholarship. 00:35:13.724 --> 00:35:15.204 I didn't want the residency 00:35:15.385 --> 00:35:17.226 because I was school on top of school. 00:35:17.666 --> 00:35:18.407 I wanted to get the hell out 00:35:18.447 --> 00:35:18.987 of school now. 00:35:19.688 --> 00:35:20.929 Second prize was a Fitbit. 00:35:21.994 --> 00:35:22.673 Remember Fitbit? 00:35:23.235 --> 00:35:24.414 My mom's birthday was coming 00:35:24.534 --> 00:35:25.775 up and I had no money 00:35:25.795 --> 00:35:26.675 because I was in school. 00:35:26.835 --> 00:35:28.496 So I was like, I want to win second prize. 00:35:28.617 --> 00:35:30.157 So I was aiming at the silver medal. 00:35:30.577 --> 00:35:33.018 Now, the prompt was a thousand words. 00:35:33.139 --> 00:35:34.900 How will you change physical therapy? 00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:38.581 Because it's better. 00:35:38.601 --> 00:35:39.041 But I was like, 00:35:39.101 --> 00:35:40.262 I don't want the residency 00:35:40.282 --> 00:35:41.003 scholarship because then I 00:35:41.043 --> 00:35:42.103 have to go to more school. 00:35:42.603 --> 00:35:43.123 Right. 00:35:44.123 --> 00:35:45.545 Instead of writing a thousand words, 00:35:45.585 --> 00:35:46.445 which was the prompt, 00:35:46.585 --> 00:35:47.905 I made a cartoon video. 00:35:49.135 --> 00:35:50.657 So I violated the rules of 00:35:50.697 --> 00:35:51.918 the game from number one, 00:35:52.358 --> 00:35:53.079 but I didn't want to win. 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:53.778 I wanted second prize. 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:55.840 And the idea was I had been 00:35:55.900 --> 00:35:58.521 to a conference weeks or months before, 00:35:58.702 --> 00:35:59.722 and I heard someone on 00:35:59.802 --> 00:36:00.643 stage or a bunch of 00:36:00.684 --> 00:36:01.643 speakers all day long. 00:36:02.105 --> 00:36:03.144 Now I'm a student coming 00:36:03.184 --> 00:36:04.126 into this profession, 00:36:04.585 --> 00:36:05.327 and I'm feeling like, 00:36:05.786 --> 00:36:07.307 I like the vibe of what 00:36:07.327 --> 00:36:08.228 this guy's talking about, 00:36:08.268 --> 00:36:09.389 but I don't really get everything. 00:36:09.429 --> 00:36:11.070 But I'm like, maybe it's me. 00:36:11.550 --> 00:36:12.831 So I'm just going to hide in the audience. 00:36:12.851 --> 00:36:13.592 I'm going to keep my mouth shut. 00:36:13.632 --> 00:36:13.913 No wonder. 00:36:14.572 --> 00:36:16.313 Two hours later, the conference is over, 00:36:16.414 --> 00:36:18.476 and now it's networking hour, happy hour. 00:36:19.476 --> 00:36:20.697 And just look up and there's 00:36:20.737 --> 00:36:21.719 the speaker over there. 00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:22.119 And I was like, 00:36:22.219 --> 00:36:23.961 I paid 200 bucks to come here. 00:36:24.282 --> 00:36:25.202 A hundred bucks or something. 00:36:25.222 --> 00:36:26.625 I'm like, I'm going to learn one thing. 00:36:27.246 --> 00:36:28.827 And I marched up to the guy and I was like, 00:36:28.867 --> 00:36:29.248 what's up? 00:36:29.307 --> 00:36:29.789 I'm Jimmy. 00:36:30.208 --> 00:36:30.949 Saw your presentation. 00:36:30.989 --> 00:36:31.590 I'm a student. 00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:32.992 Like, help me understand. 00:36:33.472 --> 00:36:34.594 And I understood his entire 00:36:34.594 --> 00:36:36.195 60 minute presentation in 00:36:37.217 --> 00:36:38.119 like 11 minutes. 00:36:38.782 --> 00:36:39.443 It wasn't me. 00:36:39.603 --> 00:36:40.585 It wasn't my fault. 00:36:41.067 --> 00:36:41.626 I was like, dude, 00:36:41.867 --> 00:36:43.610 where was that guy with the 00:36:43.650 --> 00:36:44.512 beer in his hand? 00:36:44.652 --> 00:36:45.333 Where were you? 00:36:45.592 --> 00:36:47.195 Where were you on stage? 00:36:47.576 --> 00:36:48.277 Why weren't you that guy? 00:36:48.717 --> 00:36:49.458 And the idea is, 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:50.860 and this is where all at fault for this, 00:36:50.900 --> 00:36:51.621 when I'm a speaker, 00:36:51.661 --> 00:36:53.143 all of a sudden I buttoned up my shirt, 00:36:53.244 --> 00:36:53.945 really, and I use... 00:36:55.235 --> 00:36:56.496 boring looking slides and I 00:36:56.556 --> 00:36:57.976 use big long words so on 00:36:57.996 --> 00:36:59.097 the drive back from north 00:36:59.137 --> 00:37:00.577 carolina to where I went to 00:37:00.597 --> 00:37:01.737 pt school at marymount in 00:37:01.757 --> 00:37:03.099 virginia I remember saying 00:37:03.139 --> 00:37:04.860 like and this is 2015 you 00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:05.679 still needed to like 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:06.599 explain to people what a 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:07.780 podcast was you needed to 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:08.840 be like a podcast it's like 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:09.641 a radio show you can 00:37:09.661 --> 00:37:11.402 download and I was like I 00:37:11.442 --> 00:37:12.101 pitched it to three 00:37:12.141 --> 00:37:13.822 classmates in the car and 00:37:14.063 --> 00:37:15.244 all of them were friends 00:37:15.304 --> 00:37:16.164 and all of them were like 00:37:16.463 --> 00:37:18.085 including one of the girl 00:37:18.105 --> 00:37:18.864 was dating at the time 00:37:19.922 --> 00:37:21.284 They were like, that is a horrible idea. 00:37:21.423 --> 00:37:22.583 They were like, don't do that. 00:37:23.204 --> 00:37:23.603 Don't do it. 00:37:23.664 --> 00:37:24.605 And I was like, oh, okay. 00:37:24.985 --> 00:37:26.324 So your peers are telling you like, 00:37:26.385 --> 00:37:27.806 that is a crap ass idea. 00:37:28.346 --> 00:37:29.726 But it stayed in my stomach. 00:37:29.806 --> 00:37:30.706 And then I wound up pitching 00:37:30.746 --> 00:37:32.668 it to my advisor in PT school. 00:37:33.367 --> 00:37:35.268 And there I am in her office like, okay, 00:37:35.449 --> 00:37:36.329 so here's the thing called 00:37:36.349 --> 00:37:37.469 podcasting and what you do 00:37:37.509 --> 00:37:38.309 and what I'm thinking about doing. 00:37:38.329 --> 00:37:39.489 And she's so great, 00:37:39.789 --> 00:37:41.351 still friends to this day. 00:37:41.490 --> 00:37:41.911 And she's like, 00:37:42.630 --> 00:37:44.771 I have no idea what you're talking about. 00:37:44.831 --> 00:37:46.552 This is media outside of my realm. 00:37:46.652 --> 00:37:47.793 I'm a PT professor. 00:37:48.452 --> 00:37:50.735 But you sound really excited about it. 00:37:51.094 --> 00:37:52.976 So if you were to do it, 00:37:53.077 --> 00:37:54.056 what's the investment? 00:37:54.157 --> 00:37:54.657 And I was like, $80. 00:37:55.958 --> 00:38:01.722 And she's like, feels like if you miss, 00:38:01.742 --> 00:38:01.983 it's $80. 00:38:01.983 --> 00:38:03.083 I'm like, yeah, 00:38:03.123 --> 00:38:04.324 I have to buy a microphone. 00:38:04.364 --> 00:38:05.226 I don't own a microphone anymore. 00:38:05.925 --> 00:38:07.786 And so the idea was I did six episodes, 00:38:08.628 --> 00:38:09.289 a six-pack. 00:38:10.065 --> 00:38:11.106 I'm going to find people and 00:38:11.146 --> 00:38:12.987 have conversations over a beer, right? 00:38:13.606 --> 00:38:14.108 Six of them. 00:38:14.168 --> 00:38:15.108 And then just release it. 00:38:15.188 --> 00:38:16.028 And then I was going to be done. 00:38:16.048 --> 00:38:17.268 It was going to be a series. 00:38:18.128 --> 00:38:19.010 And then that's what I 00:38:19.269 --> 00:38:21.431 pitched in that contest. 00:38:21.911 --> 00:38:22.510 Like, hey, 00:38:22.610 --> 00:38:23.992 I'm doing this thing and whatever, 00:38:24.012 --> 00:38:24.291 whatever. 00:38:24.552 --> 00:38:25.693 Well, I get a phone call, 00:38:25.713 --> 00:38:26.373 not even an email, 00:38:26.452 --> 00:38:27.572 phone call from the company. 00:38:28.414 --> 00:38:29.534 And I thought they were calling to tell me, 00:38:29.574 --> 00:38:29.693 well, 00:38:29.713 --> 00:38:30.775 you didn't write the thousand words. 00:38:30.815 --> 00:38:31.894 What the hell is this video? 00:38:32.614 --> 00:38:33.476 That's not the contest. 00:38:33.516 --> 00:38:34.076 So you lose. 00:38:34.536 --> 00:38:35.436 They called me and they were like, 00:38:35.556 --> 00:38:35.956 you won. 00:38:37.132 --> 00:38:38.514 when do you launch the podcast? 00:38:38.534 --> 00:38:40.014 And I was like, well, I wasn't, 00:38:40.193 --> 00:38:41.173 that was just my idea. 00:38:41.213 --> 00:38:41.835 I don't know if I'm actually 00:38:41.855 --> 00:38:42.494 going to do it now. 00:38:42.574 --> 00:38:43.494 Again, trying to hide. 00:38:44.034 --> 00:38:46.556 They're like, we, here's the scholarship. 00:38:46.596 --> 00:38:46.916 And I was like, 00:38:46.936 --> 00:38:47.936 I actually want the Fitbit. 00:38:47.956 --> 00:38:48.677 Like, here's the Fitbit. 00:38:48.697 --> 00:38:49.056 Take the Fitbit. 00:38:49.297 --> 00:38:49.858 It's a hundred bucks. 00:38:50.077 --> 00:38:50.438 Take the Fitbit. 00:38:51.277 --> 00:38:52.778 I get the Fitbit and then they go, 00:38:52.958 --> 00:38:53.898 what would you need to 00:38:53.938 --> 00:38:54.878 launch the podcast? 00:38:54.898 --> 00:38:55.820 And I was like, I don't know, 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:57.539 like a microphone and I got 00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:58.501 to pay a company. 00:38:58.581 --> 00:39:00.501 And so I was like, 200 bucks. 00:39:00.922 --> 00:39:02.121 They're like, here's $500. 00:39:02.402 --> 00:39:03.963 Put our name on the first six episodes. 00:39:04.123 --> 00:39:04.802 And I was like, wow. 00:39:05.902 --> 00:39:06.161 Great. 00:39:06.262 --> 00:39:06.641 So I did. 00:39:06.842 --> 00:39:08.202 And I think I put the name on the first. 00:39:08.543 --> 00:39:10.083 But I did six, released it. 00:39:10.983 --> 00:39:11.264 Again, 00:39:11.284 --> 00:39:13.083 I think I had first mover advantage. 00:39:13.164 --> 00:39:14.704 I wasn't the first PT podcast, 00:39:14.784 --> 00:39:15.905 but I was one of the first. 00:39:15.925 --> 00:39:16.244 Because again, 00:39:16.284 --> 00:39:16.965 you still need to explain 00:39:16.985 --> 00:39:17.666 what a podcast was. 00:39:18.626 --> 00:39:20.445 And I got cool feedback. 00:39:20.567 --> 00:39:22.967 And I realized all the other 00:39:22.987 --> 00:39:24.307 podcasts or most of the 00:39:24.327 --> 00:39:26.068 podcasts still are super 00:39:26.108 --> 00:39:28.048 smart PTs trying to be radio DJs. 00:39:28.936 --> 00:39:30.498 I was a radio DJ trying to be a PT. 00:39:30.518 --> 00:39:32.201 I was just swimming in a 00:39:32.221 --> 00:39:32.822 different direction. 00:39:33.143 --> 00:39:33.463 That's it. 00:39:33.643 --> 00:39:34.643 I was just swimming in the 00:39:34.664 --> 00:39:36.166 other direction. 00:39:36.987 --> 00:39:37.788 But it sort of works, 00:39:37.847 --> 00:39:40.472 which is like my job isn't, hey, 00:39:40.512 --> 00:39:40.911 everybody, 00:39:41.072 --> 00:39:42.014 I can't wait for you to hear 00:39:42.034 --> 00:39:42.934 this episode to hear how 00:39:43.074 --> 00:39:43.856 smart I am and how I'm 00:39:43.876 --> 00:39:44.416 going to teach you. 00:39:44.777 --> 00:39:46.679 I really do still approach episodes. 00:39:47.827 --> 00:39:48.646 Like I'm going to learn 00:39:48.686 --> 00:39:50.347 something and damn it, 00:39:50.367 --> 00:39:50.927 we're going to have some 00:39:50.967 --> 00:39:52.268 fun while we do it or else, 00:39:52.367 --> 00:39:53.228 or else I'm pulling the plug. 00:39:53.728 --> 00:39:55.208 So I think I've just, that's it. 00:39:55.809 --> 00:39:56.769 Have fun learning stuff. 00:39:57.349 --> 00:40:00.891 And, and similar to yours, mine really, 00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:01.971 I don't, I talk about, 00:40:02.550 --> 00:40:04.152 I talk about life with PTs, 00:40:04.472 --> 00:40:06.751 but not about PT stuff. 00:40:06.952 --> 00:40:08.293 Like I'm not talking about 00:40:08.353 --> 00:40:09.753 elbow angles and that 00:40:10.092 --> 00:40:10.793 someone else is doing that 00:40:10.833 --> 00:40:11.273 better than me. 00:40:11.974 --> 00:40:13.875 I would be, I would be a poser doing that. 00:40:13.914 --> 00:40:15.135 You would see right through me. 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:17.521 But I got the degree and I 00:40:17.561 --> 00:40:18.802 got enough life experience 00:40:18.844 --> 00:40:19.844 being a PT to have a 00:40:19.905 --> 00:40:24.090 conversation with anybody or most people. 00:40:24.831 --> 00:40:25.492 And then I'm like, 00:40:25.733 --> 00:40:26.853 I just want to find the lessons. 00:40:27.235 --> 00:40:28.036 And then I learn it. 00:40:28.135 --> 00:40:28.657 And oh, by the way, 00:40:28.677 --> 00:40:29.498 we're recording this or 00:40:29.518 --> 00:40:30.239 we're live streaming this. 00:40:30.498 --> 00:40:31.721 Other people learn it, too. 00:40:32.001 --> 00:40:33.422 That's quite literally the magic. 00:40:33.583 --> 00:40:33.764 I mean. 00:40:34.726 --> 00:40:34.967 you know, 00:40:35.126 --> 00:40:36.367 some people get locked up on like, 00:40:36.447 --> 00:40:37.527 what mic do I buy? 00:40:37.648 --> 00:40:38.547 Or how do I do? 00:40:38.648 --> 00:40:40.128 Or I gave away my formula 00:40:40.168 --> 00:40:42.427 just the other day of how I structure, 00:40:42.608 --> 00:40:44.449 how I structure like long form episodes. 00:40:44.708 --> 00:40:45.728 And I'm like, I'm going to give you this. 00:40:46.289 --> 00:40:47.668 And if you think this is my secret, 00:40:47.789 --> 00:40:49.789 it's not like, I'll give you, 00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:50.829 I'll give you the blueprint. 00:40:50.929 --> 00:40:51.949 I do this and I do this. 00:40:52.309 --> 00:40:53.409 Here's what apps I use. 00:40:53.610 --> 00:40:54.250 That isn't it. 00:40:55.251 --> 00:40:55.670 So it's like, 00:40:55.731 --> 00:40:56.471 it's like I gave you the 00:40:56.510 --> 00:40:58.451 blueprints for a jet and I'm like, 00:40:58.630 --> 00:40:59.610 you still got to fly it. 00:41:00.010 --> 00:41:01.871 Like, but I'll hand you the jet. 00:41:01.952 --> 00:41:03.472 I'll hand you a fully functioning jet. 00:41:04.385 --> 00:41:05.326 I need you to fly it. 00:41:05.465 --> 00:41:06.847 And when that first flight sucks, 00:41:06.987 --> 00:41:07.666 I need you to get in the 00:41:07.706 --> 00:41:08.728 cockpit again the next day. 00:41:08.947 --> 00:41:10.927 And that's when you get in the 400th time, 00:41:11.047 --> 00:41:12.289 suddenly you're like, oh, this is great. 00:41:12.309 --> 00:41:12.929 I'm like, right. 00:41:13.768 --> 00:41:15.130 So I tell people who launch a podcast, 00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:16.369 dude, you're first at 10 episodes. 00:41:16.449 --> 00:41:16.889 I say this. 00:41:17.130 --> 00:41:17.690 I look right at them. 00:41:17.731 --> 00:41:17.931 I go, 00:41:17.971 --> 00:41:19.251 your first 10 episodes are going to suck. 00:41:19.351 --> 00:41:20.052 And they're like, well, 00:41:20.072 --> 00:41:20.811 then why would I start? 00:41:21.211 --> 00:41:22.411 And then I pause and I go, listen, 00:41:22.472 --> 00:41:23.233 they're only going to suck 00:41:23.253 --> 00:41:24.052 compared to your next 10 00:41:24.052 --> 00:41:24.873 episodes because you're 00:41:24.893 --> 00:41:25.512 going to get better. 00:41:26.233 --> 00:41:27.313 The learning curve is steep. 00:41:27.594 --> 00:41:30.175 So I'm like, just Gary Vee says this. 00:41:30.315 --> 00:41:32.516 Other people just push publish. 00:41:33.751 --> 00:41:34.492 Don't worry about it. 00:41:34.512 --> 00:41:35.233 If I had to listen to my 00:41:35.353 --> 00:41:37.695 college radio shows, I would vomit again. 00:41:39.396 --> 00:41:42.539 But only compared to my 15th 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.619 year in radio and my eighth 00:41:44.661 --> 00:41:47.302 year in podcasting, that's it. 00:41:47.503 --> 00:41:48.983 And somewhere along the way, 00:41:49.905 --> 00:41:51.166 you're not awful anymore. 00:41:51.425 --> 00:41:52.947 And I don't know if we ever get to great, 00:41:53.126 --> 00:41:54.989 but you're not awful anymore. 00:41:55.728 --> 00:41:57.510 So I say push publish. 00:41:58.322 --> 00:41:59.443 Push public. 00:41:59.583 --> 00:42:00.503 If you put out a crappy 00:42:00.523 --> 00:42:02.204 episode and no one listens, 00:42:02.784 --> 00:42:03.985 no one heard you be crappy. 00:42:05.166 --> 00:42:06.505 That is absolutely true. 00:42:07.427 --> 00:42:08.166 My mom heard it, though. 00:42:09.608 --> 00:42:11.929 Yeah. 00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:14.130 They're always our biggest supporter. 00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:16.190 And my mom was a big supporter. 00:42:16.291 --> 00:42:17.972 She would comment on stuff 00:42:18.012 --> 00:42:19.072 and listen to stuff and then... 00:42:20.168 --> 00:42:20.748 Oh, that was great. 00:42:20.768 --> 00:42:21.849 I heard you talking to that, whatever. 00:42:21.949 --> 00:42:22.989 And she was not in healthcare, 00:42:23.409 --> 00:42:23.969 but she was like, 00:42:24.269 --> 00:42:25.110 I see what you're doing. 00:42:25.250 --> 00:42:26.630 She put words to what I do 00:42:26.710 --> 00:42:28.891 now because my job now is podcasting, 00:42:28.952 --> 00:42:29.052 right? 00:42:29.092 --> 00:42:30.612 I get revenue from the show from sponsors. 00:42:30.731 --> 00:42:31.672 That's very transparent. 00:42:32.251 --> 00:42:32.353 Right. 00:42:32.652 --> 00:42:34.213 Brought to you by Owens Recovery Science, 00:42:34.253 --> 00:42:35.233 a single source for PTs 00:42:35.253 --> 00:42:36.373 looking for personalized 00:42:36.713 --> 00:42:37.393 blood flow restriction 00:42:37.434 --> 00:42:38.173 rehabilitation training. 00:42:38.193 --> 00:42:38.753 Find them online at 00:42:38.793 --> 00:42:40.094 OwensRecoveryScience.com. 00:42:40.114 --> 00:42:40.775 So you can just do that. 00:42:41.434 --> 00:42:42.416 but also I work with 00:42:42.476 --> 00:42:44.277 companies in healthcare and 00:42:44.336 --> 00:42:45.717 outside of healthcare with 00:42:45.797 --> 00:42:46.699 communication stuff. 00:42:46.818 --> 00:42:48.239 And then my mom said, she's like, Oh, 00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:49.460 you're with your podcast. 00:42:49.501 --> 00:42:50.041 You're trying to be the 00:42:50.081 --> 00:42:51.061 Jimmy Fallon of PT. 00:42:51.362 --> 00:42:53.264 Talk to anybody, just make it fun and, 00:42:53.443 --> 00:42:54.324 you know, laugh and learn. 00:42:54.565 --> 00:42:54.744 Right. 00:42:55.045 --> 00:42:55.204 Right. 00:42:55.646 --> 00:42:55.826 With, 00:42:56.545 --> 00:42:57.967 What I do like off camera 00:42:58.027 --> 00:42:59.528 with helping other people do it. 00:42:59.648 --> 00:43:01.469 It's like, I'm your Sherpa. 00:43:01.771 --> 00:43:02.851 I've been, I've sucked. 00:43:03.391 --> 00:43:04.132 I know where you are. 00:43:04.253 --> 00:43:05.092 I know what it feels like. 00:43:05.233 --> 00:43:05.934 And we're going to walk 00:43:06.014 --> 00:43:08.235 together to episode five 00:43:08.436 --> 00:43:09.876 and then 55 and then 155. 00:43:09.876 --> 00:43:12.039 And that can be videos or 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:13.460 podcasts or social. 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.541 It's, it's two tin cans in a string, man. 00:43:15.842 --> 00:43:17.143 It's just moving information 00:43:17.422 --> 00:43:18.764 from one person to another. 00:43:19.385 --> 00:43:20.365 But how do you do that? 00:43:20.565 --> 00:43:20.766 Okay. 00:43:20.786 --> 00:43:21.766 There's some skill to it. 00:43:21.887 --> 00:43:23.027 And the more you do it, 00:43:23.088 --> 00:43:23.989 just like neuro rehab. 00:43:24.628 --> 00:43:25.309 Repetition. 00:43:25.809 --> 00:43:28.030 That's your biggest weapon is repetitions. 00:43:29.251 --> 00:43:30.271 So question for you, though, 00:43:30.431 --> 00:43:31.932 do you flip this on me now? 00:43:31.972 --> 00:43:33.054 You flip this on me now. 00:43:33.114 --> 00:43:34.795 Now I don't. 00:43:35.835 --> 00:43:36.094 I went. 00:43:36.856 --> 00:43:38.177 No, I went full nonclinical, 00:43:38.217 --> 00:43:39.056 although I flirt with the 00:43:39.097 --> 00:43:39.918 idea of going back. 00:43:40.398 --> 00:43:42.478 But I never felt great in the clinic. 00:43:43.103 --> 00:43:43.322 No. 00:43:44.143 --> 00:43:45.143 I never felt... Wait, wait, wait. 00:43:45.164 --> 00:43:46.445 You did pediatrics, though. 00:43:46.704 --> 00:43:47.764 I did pediatrics. 00:43:47.864 --> 00:43:48.985 I felt great there. 00:43:49.005 --> 00:43:50.146 Okay. 00:43:50.447 --> 00:43:51.567 But I always felt like I'm 00:43:51.606 --> 00:43:53.068 just playing around with kids. 00:43:54.849 --> 00:43:55.869 But that's sort of PEDS. 00:43:56.248 --> 00:43:57.250 So I'm actually... Funny you 00:43:57.309 --> 00:43:57.769 mentioned that. 00:43:58.070 --> 00:44:00.291 Amy O'Malley was my mentor 00:44:00.490 --> 00:44:01.211 at the PEDS clinic. 00:44:01.452 --> 00:44:02.572 I went... So I was in 00:44:02.672 --> 00:44:04.233 outpatient cash base 00:44:04.592 --> 00:44:06.333 working with CrossFit 00:44:06.373 --> 00:44:08.815 athletes and triathletes and army, 00:44:08.835 --> 00:44:09.956 a lot of military people. 00:44:10.496 --> 00:44:11.518 And it just didn't fulfill me. 00:44:11.617 --> 00:44:12.699 Not that it wasn't valid. 00:44:12.778 --> 00:44:13.719 It just wasn't my thing. 00:44:14.001 --> 00:44:14.802 So I called Amy. 00:44:14.882 --> 00:44:15.882 I met her through school. 00:44:15.922 --> 00:44:17.565 She was like a guest speaker at school. 00:44:18.226 --> 00:44:19.106 And she had a clinic or she 00:44:19.126 --> 00:44:19.907 worked at a clinic locally. 00:44:19.927 --> 00:44:20.307 I was like, hey, 00:44:20.327 --> 00:44:21.369 can I come like shadow you 00:44:21.409 --> 00:44:22.851 like a day or a weekend a 00:44:22.911 --> 00:44:23.913 week or something? 00:44:24.492 --> 00:44:25.273 And she was like, well, you know, 00:44:25.293 --> 00:44:25.994 we're hiring. 00:44:26.094 --> 00:44:27.416 And I'm like, yeah, no, no, I don't. 00:44:27.476 --> 00:44:28.918 I never even done a clinical in Pete's. 00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:29.438 Never. 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:29.860 Nothing. 00:44:30.460 --> 00:44:31.721 So I have nothing. 00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:33.762 I'm just looking for quite 00:44:33.802 --> 00:44:34.842 literally the first minute 00:44:35.242 --> 00:44:35.864 treating a kid. 00:44:36.003 --> 00:44:36.623 And she was like, 00:44:37.005 --> 00:44:37.945 all I heard you say was you 00:44:37.965 --> 00:44:38.945 have no bad habits that I 00:44:38.965 --> 00:44:41.407 need to unlearn you. 00:44:41.987 --> 00:44:43.228 And then she said a few other things. 00:44:43.289 --> 00:44:44.449 And hopefully she's not 00:44:44.469 --> 00:44:45.630 listening to this episode 00:44:45.650 --> 00:44:46.690 because I don't want her to 00:44:46.710 --> 00:44:47.130 see what's coming. 00:44:47.592 --> 00:44:48.532 But then she said, Jimmy, 00:44:48.552 --> 00:44:49.072 do you know what the 00:44:49.112 --> 00:44:50.373 divorce rate is in this country? 00:44:50.414 --> 00:44:50.813 And I was like, 50%. 00:44:51.494 --> 00:44:51.795 And she goes, 00:44:51.815 --> 00:44:52.554 do you know what the divorce 00:44:52.594 --> 00:44:53.715 rate is if you have a child with 00:44:54.195 --> 00:44:54.797 special needs. 00:44:55.177 --> 00:44:55.918 And I said, no. 00:44:55.978 --> 00:44:56.818 And she goes, another 50%. 00:44:57.838 --> 00:44:58.480 So she was like, 00:44:58.619 --> 00:44:59.621 and I think the math works out. 00:44:59.661 --> 00:45:00.541 Math people will check me on this. 00:45:01.302 --> 00:45:02.402 She was essentially saying, 00:45:02.523 --> 00:45:03.824 you might be the only male 00:45:04.724 --> 00:45:06.467 in a kid's regular... 00:45:06.706 --> 00:45:07.347 Because a lot of the kids 00:45:07.367 --> 00:45:08.608 that we saw was outpatient peds. 00:45:08.949 --> 00:45:10.550 So I was seeing a kid once or twice a week, 00:45:10.590 --> 00:45:14.047 but forever or till they're 21 or 18. 00:45:14.047 --> 00:45:15.228 So she's like, you a lot. 00:45:15.289 --> 00:45:16.730 She goes, you're a unicorn, man. 00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:17.670 You're a dude. 00:45:17.710 --> 00:45:19.211 And you'd be the only male at our clinic. 00:45:19.291 --> 00:45:19.713 And she's like, 00:45:19.753 --> 00:45:20.873 that's going to work for you. 00:45:20.914 --> 00:45:21.793 I was like, really? 00:45:21.954 --> 00:45:23.396 And so I thought I brought 00:45:23.456 --> 00:45:24.275 nothing to the table. 00:45:24.376 --> 00:45:26.577 And she was showing me like, I see upside. 00:45:26.677 --> 00:45:27.759 And I was like, gosh, really? 00:45:27.818 --> 00:45:29.521 So I felt so that felt good. 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:30.561 I did like that. 00:45:30.740 --> 00:45:32.322 But there was this burning 00:45:32.382 --> 00:45:34.364 desire for me to do this other thing. 00:45:34.423 --> 00:45:35.605 Like, can I make more? 00:45:36.525 --> 00:45:37.686 I could leave a really deep 00:45:37.726 --> 00:45:38.608 burning impression with 00:45:39.835 --> 00:45:41.456 all the kids and parents that I treated. 00:45:41.536 --> 00:45:42.135 And that would be, 00:45:42.155 --> 00:45:43.177 I don't know what I have 20 00:45:43.177 --> 00:45:44.396 or 30 kids on my schedule, 00:45:45.157 --> 00:45:46.217 but what if I could put a 00:45:46.277 --> 00:45:48.619 zero or two zeros or three zeros on that? 00:45:48.759 --> 00:45:49.458 What if I could have a 00:45:49.518 --> 00:45:51.000 conversation with them though, 00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:53.061 now that a hundred people 00:45:53.121 --> 00:45:54.300 here and Bray's like a hundred, 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:54.961 that's not a lot. 00:45:55.001 --> 00:45:55.202 I go, 00:45:55.621 --> 00:45:57.762 you have it a hundred people treat 30 00:45:57.762 --> 00:45:58.523 people a week. 00:45:58.663 --> 00:45:59.764 And that's all that we start 00:45:59.784 --> 00:46:01.644 to now that that's, 00:46:01.684 --> 00:46:02.864 that's a hockey stick graph. 00:46:02.905 --> 00:46:04.106 Like that goes up fast. 00:46:04.505 --> 00:46:04.646 Yeah. 00:46:05.190 --> 00:46:06.771 So I was like, I kind of like this. 00:46:06.851 --> 00:46:07.072 I mean, 00:46:07.092 --> 00:46:08.233 I struggle with it as an identity 00:46:08.253 --> 00:46:09.074 all the day, all the time. 00:46:09.094 --> 00:46:09.994 When I do PT, 00:46:10.094 --> 00:46:11.856 I do my show live at PT school sometimes. 00:46:12.516 --> 00:46:13.697 And before we like start, 00:46:13.918 --> 00:46:14.818 before I hit record, 00:46:14.918 --> 00:46:16.880 I'll sort of give the audience, 00:46:16.940 --> 00:46:18.581 which are PT students, some context. 00:46:19.242 --> 00:46:19.722 Show of hands, 00:46:19.742 --> 00:46:20.362 how many people have heard 00:46:20.382 --> 00:46:21.222 the podcast or not? 00:46:21.302 --> 00:46:23.405 Most of the time, it's half maybe at best, 00:46:23.864 --> 00:46:25.186 which I actually look as opportunity. 00:46:25.567 --> 00:46:25.786 I'm like, 00:46:25.806 --> 00:46:27.148 the show gets X number of downloads, 00:46:27.228 --> 00:46:27.367 right? 00:46:27.387 --> 00:46:28.509 We got 5 million downloads or whatever. 00:46:28.869 --> 00:46:29.909 And half the room I'm about 00:46:29.949 --> 00:46:31.070 to talk to has never heard of me. 00:46:31.490 --> 00:46:32.692 Opportunity to turn them 00:46:32.731 --> 00:46:33.632 into people who like it, right? 00:46:33.672 --> 00:46:33.813 Right. 00:46:34.413 --> 00:46:35.034 And then I say, 00:46:35.094 --> 00:46:38.074 I'm about to tell you my question. 00:46:38.094 --> 00:46:39.016 I'm going to ask you a question. 00:46:39.096 --> 00:46:40.096 Don't answer it out loud. 00:46:41.536 --> 00:46:42.577 Then at the end of the show, 00:46:42.597 --> 00:46:43.858 I'm going to ask you the question again. 00:46:44.217 --> 00:46:45.559 I want to know if your answer changed. 00:46:45.579 --> 00:46:46.239 And the question is, 00:46:46.418 --> 00:46:48.039 is Jimmy a real physical therapist? 00:46:49.201 --> 00:46:49.621 And then I say, 00:46:49.661 --> 00:46:50.621 I haven't treated patient 00:46:50.722 --> 00:46:51.442 in a couple of years. 00:46:51.581 --> 00:46:52.481 I'm not an education. 00:46:52.583 --> 00:46:53.322 I'm not in research. 00:46:53.402 --> 00:46:54.443 I'm not an administration. 00:46:55.623 --> 00:46:56.864 Wait, what does Jimmy do? 00:46:56.985 --> 00:46:57.425 And then I'm like, 00:46:57.625 --> 00:46:58.985 I'm about to do what I do. 00:47:00.074 --> 00:47:01.195 And then I'm going to ask 00:47:01.215 --> 00:47:01.775 the question again. 00:47:01.815 --> 00:47:02.635 So then I do like a live 00:47:02.695 --> 00:47:03.596 show where I'll interview 00:47:03.737 --> 00:47:05.458 four or five people from the school, 00:47:05.637 --> 00:47:07.199 alums, faculty, students, whatever. 00:47:07.579 --> 00:47:08.860 But I do it, you know, sort of, 00:47:09.981 --> 00:47:11.681 I do it with all the music and whatever. 00:47:11.762 --> 00:47:15.585 And we do the, we make it fun. 00:47:15.605 --> 00:47:16.585 Essentially I do the Jimmy 00:47:16.605 --> 00:47:17.806 Fallon show of PT live. 00:47:18.405 --> 00:47:19.927 And then at the end, everybody claps, 00:47:20.027 --> 00:47:20.208 right? 00:47:20.268 --> 00:47:20.927 I hit stop. 00:47:21.027 --> 00:47:21.889 And then I turn back to the 00:47:21.909 --> 00:47:22.528 audience and I go, 00:47:22.829 --> 00:47:24.309 what you just heard was the trick. 00:47:25.391 --> 00:47:26.552 You just watched the trick. 00:47:27.876 --> 00:47:30.255 Now, when I go home and publish this, 00:47:30.615 --> 00:47:31.817 I just did the trick in 00:47:31.836 --> 00:47:32.677 front of 300 people. 00:47:33.657 --> 00:47:36.257 When I leave and it goes to 30,000 people, 00:47:37.057 --> 00:47:39.438 if 30,000 people learn one thing, 00:47:39.818 --> 00:47:41.657 I'm not a math guy, that's 30,000 things. 00:47:42.318 --> 00:47:43.318 And if I do that twice a 00:47:43.358 --> 00:47:44.458 week for eight years, 00:47:44.918 --> 00:47:46.079 that's a lot of things. 00:47:47.018 --> 00:47:48.599 So I'm just serving up information. 00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:49.719 The same thing you're doing. 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.019 And the magic of mine is I 00:47:52.179 --> 00:47:52.780 just kept doing it. 00:47:53.059 --> 00:47:54.099 Even when no one clapped, 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.121 even when no one dropped me a DM, 00:47:56.380 --> 00:47:57.081 even when no one... 00:47:58.067 --> 00:47:59.489 Even when I got my teeth punched in, 00:47:59.668 --> 00:48:00.590 I still did it again. 00:48:01.190 --> 00:48:02.773 Because at worst, 00:48:03.152 --> 00:48:04.974 I learned one thing from 48 00:48:04.974 --> 00:48:06.117 minutes of talking with them. 00:48:07.538 --> 00:48:08.659 And I found value in that. 00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:09.820 Yeah, absolutely. 00:48:10.269 --> 00:48:11.610 I'm like, and oh my gosh, 00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:13.510 biggest Trojan horse slash 00:48:13.710 --> 00:48:15.012 cheat code ever to meeting 00:48:15.052 --> 00:48:17.112 people and getting jobs or 00:48:17.132 --> 00:48:18.213 just meeting smart people. 00:48:18.373 --> 00:48:19.253 Like, I mean, 00:48:19.273 --> 00:48:20.052 a lot of the audience has no 00:48:20.092 --> 00:48:21.094 idea what a Rolodex is, 00:48:21.153 --> 00:48:23.494 but a Rolodex is like the 00:48:23.554 --> 00:48:24.875 context on your phone. 00:48:26.034 --> 00:48:28.096 But like, hey, like unintentionally, 00:48:28.155 --> 00:48:29.115 I've got the world's best 00:48:29.175 --> 00:48:30.856 Rolodex in PT where someone goes, 00:48:30.996 --> 00:48:31.976 I wish I knew someone who 00:48:32.016 --> 00:48:33.217 did this super obscure thing. 00:48:33.257 --> 00:48:34.137 I'm like, I know three of them. 00:48:34.938 --> 00:48:35.818 Wow. 00:48:36.739 --> 00:48:38.860 And I don't leverage that for evil, 00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:41.842 but I'm like, I get to be a connector. 00:48:42.362 --> 00:48:44.744 I was at CSM, and I won't say who she was. 00:48:44.764 --> 00:48:45.344 I don't want to give away 00:48:45.364 --> 00:48:46.244 too much of her or whatever, 00:48:46.264 --> 00:48:47.405 but she comes from a 00:48:47.505 --> 00:48:48.706 marginalized group of people, 00:48:48.746 --> 00:48:50.286 a very small subset of the population, 00:48:50.327 --> 00:48:51.208 and she wants to get into 00:48:51.228 --> 00:48:53.728 this uber competitive type of therapy. 00:48:54.309 --> 00:48:54.750 And I go, 00:48:54.909 --> 00:48:55.949 I know three people that can help 00:48:55.989 --> 00:48:56.451 you now. 00:48:57.070 --> 00:48:58.190 And I was like, how cool is this? 00:48:58.251 --> 00:48:59.472 I'm like, stand here. 00:48:59.492 --> 00:49:00.492 I want your phone number. 00:49:01.012 --> 00:49:01.632 And I'm going to give it to 00:49:01.692 --> 00:49:02.432 these three people. 00:49:02.652 --> 00:49:03.552 And then you're going to get it. 00:49:03.572 --> 00:49:04.913 What's your email address? 00:49:05.253 --> 00:49:06.273 They're going to email you. 00:49:06.494 --> 00:49:06.934 And she was like, 00:49:06.954 --> 00:49:08.094 why are you just doing that? 00:49:08.153 --> 00:49:08.394 I'm like, 00:49:08.855 --> 00:49:10.414 because I see two dots that can 00:49:10.434 --> 00:49:11.034 be connected. 00:49:12.755 --> 00:49:14.275 If I connect you with this guy, 00:49:14.295 --> 00:49:17.177 I know that he likes to 00:49:17.217 --> 00:49:18.117 help people like you 00:49:18.157 --> 00:49:20.617 because he was like you 25 years ago. 00:49:21.217 --> 00:49:21.898 And now he goes, 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:23.958 I want to speed up other people. 00:49:24.018 --> 00:49:24.960 I want to be the person I 00:49:25.219 --> 00:49:26.079 needed but didn't have. 00:49:26.809 --> 00:49:28.429 And I get to be the person in a bar going, 00:49:28.449 --> 00:49:29.170 you want to do what? 00:49:29.469 --> 00:49:29.809 Oh, yeah, 00:49:29.829 --> 00:49:32.911 but you're from a rural area in a 00:49:32.951 --> 00:49:35.911 minority group, and you have no inroads. 00:49:35.931 --> 00:49:36.913 I'm like, I'm your inroad, 00:49:37.233 --> 00:49:38.592 so thanks for coming to Happy. 00:49:38.753 --> 00:49:39.974 So I'm like, hang on, what's your email? 00:49:40.014 --> 00:49:40.833 Got it, got it. 00:49:41.014 --> 00:49:41.594 Okay, good, see you. 00:49:42.735 --> 00:49:43.974 So I get to do that. 00:49:44.114 --> 00:49:44.876 So that's fun. 00:49:45.655 --> 00:49:46.795 That's a great difference 00:49:46.916 --> 00:49:49.617 that you make in this whole profession, 00:49:49.657 --> 00:49:50.056 though. 00:49:50.438 --> 00:49:51.657 That doesn't make you obscure it. 00:49:52.684 --> 00:49:54.166 It also, right. 00:49:54.206 --> 00:49:56.146 But I also didn't need or 00:49:56.286 --> 00:49:57.288 ask for permission to do it. 00:49:57.347 --> 00:49:58.248 I felt like I needed to do it, 00:49:58.289 --> 00:49:59.309 which is this exact. 00:49:59.349 --> 00:50:01.690 So my whole lesson is to why can't, 00:50:01.831 --> 00:50:02.512 what can't you do? 00:50:02.672 --> 00:50:03.932 I connected radio and PT 00:50:04.273 --> 00:50:04.952 didn't make any sense. 00:50:04.992 --> 00:50:06.673 Looking forwards makes complete sense. 00:50:06.733 --> 00:50:07.695 Now that everything's live 00:50:07.715 --> 00:50:08.896 streamed and podcasts and whatever. 00:50:09.536 --> 00:50:09.655 Well, 00:50:09.675 --> 00:50:10.936 my thing is what's your thing from 00:50:10.976 --> 00:50:12.557 outside of PT or before PT 00:50:12.657 --> 00:50:13.438 or the thing you do? 00:50:13.539 --> 00:50:15.880 Like Kate McGee loved video 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:16.981 games and e-sports. 00:50:17.661 --> 00:50:19.202 And when I first interviewed her in 2015, 00:50:19.202 --> 00:50:19.342 2016, she, 00:50:21.507 --> 00:50:22.248 She was like, oh, 00:50:22.407 --> 00:50:23.608 esports is like almost a 00:50:23.648 --> 00:50:24.588 billion dollar industry. 00:50:24.628 --> 00:50:25.369 I'm like, that's cute. 00:50:25.650 --> 00:50:26.829 Like I really said, like, that's cute. 00:50:26.869 --> 00:50:27.309 Like, that's cool. 00:50:27.329 --> 00:50:28.391 You're going to work with video gamers. 00:50:28.411 --> 00:50:28.670 But like, 00:50:28.731 --> 00:50:30.251 I'm not sure if that's a full time thing. 00:50:30.731 --> 00:50:32.652 And now esports is a billion, billion, 00:50:32.692 --> 00:50:33.693 billion, billion, billion, 00:50:33.733 --> 00:50:34.733 billion dollar industry. 00:50:35.132 --> 00:50:37.454 And Kate, all she does is work for one HP, 00:50:38.335 --> 00:50:39.235 which is this organization 00:50:39.255 --> 00:50:40.394 of PTs and other people who 00:50:40.414 --> 00:50:41.235 just work with gamers. 00:50:41.356 --> 00:50:42.456 And I was like, wow, 00:50:42.536 --> 00:50:44.717 you can connect two random 00:50:44.757 --> 00:50:46.036 dots and they're going to 00:50:46.077 --> 00:50:46.818 laugh at you at first. 00:50:47.641 --> 00:50:48.661 And they are going to discount you. 00:50:48.681 --> 00:50:49.663 And they're going to say that's cute. 00:50:49.682 --> 00:50:50.862 And they're going to pass you on the head. 00:50:51.762 --> 00:50:53.344 And then if you... Honestly, 00:50:53.384 --> 00:50:54.623 the magic is just persist. 00:50:55.565 --> 00:50:55.864 Absolutely. 00:50:56.364 --> 00:50:58.126 Just persist. 00:50:58.965 --> 00:51:00.806 So if you want help with a podcast, 00:51:01.246 --> 00:51:03.387 I like helping podcasters. 00:51:03.507 --> 00:51:06.349 I'll bring you all the... Not tricks, 00:51:06.429 --> 00:51:09.469 but all the things that you 00:51:09.510 --> 00:51:10.690 might not know about or 00:51:10.710 --> 00:51:11.650 whatever that could save 00:51:11.690 --> 00:51:13.150 you five minutes or a headache. 00:51:13.170 --> 00:51:13.251 Okay. 00:51:14.635 --> 00:51:16.097 but that's, that's the value though. 00:51:16.297 --> 00:51:17.378 That's absolutely the value. 00:51:17.458 --> 00:51:18.278 Cause I've screwed up. 00:51:18.358 --> 00:51:19.940 So I can, I'm like, Oh, let me guess. 00:51:19.981 --> 00:51:20.820 You're doing this. 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.681 And then it takes you this 00:51:21.742 --> 00:51:22.422 long to do this. 00:51:22.802 --> 00:51:23.664 And then you get tired. 00:51:23.704 --> 00:51:24.764 And then I'm like, no, 00:51:24.804 --> 00:51:25.865 why don't you do this, this, this. 00:51:25.945 --> 00:51:26.847 Cause I want you doing more 00:51:26.887 --> 00:51:29.489 of this and less of editing and whatever. 00:51:29.628 --> 00:51:33.952 Like, Oh, no, no, absolutely. 00:51:34.052 --> 00:51:34.152 Um, 00:51:34.393 --> 00:51:35.594 so what's the name of the podcast again? 00:51:36.034 --> 00:51:36.255 Say it. 00:51:36.275 --> 00:51:37.476 With Dr. Hanson PT. 00:51:39.123 --> 00:51:39.304 All right, 00:51:39.324 --> 00:51:40.364 we'll put the link in the show notes. 00:51:40.465 --> 00:51:41.445 I'll put the link in the stream. 00:51:41.585 --> 00:51:42.606 Is it available everywhere? 00:51:43.126 --> 00:51:44.528 It is available on Spotify. 00:51:44.668 --> 00:51:45.989 Apple has not yet allowed us 00:51:46.090 --> 00:51:47.050 on their platform. 00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:48.731 How long did you submit? 00:51:50.733 --> 00:51:52.795 Wow, it's been about, I think in January. 00:51:52.916 --> 00:51:53.677 No, no, no, no. 00:51:53.717 --> 00:51:54.516 There's an error somewhere. 00:51:54.697 --> 00:51:55.697 It's usually 72 hours. 00:51:55.818 --> 00:51:57.699 We'll fix that. 00:51:57.739 --> 00:51:59.061 That's a huge hurdle. 00:51:59.121 --> 00:52:00.121 That's the largest platform. 00:52:00.242 --> 00:52:01.884 I mean, Spotify's two, Apple's one. 00:52:02.224 --> 00:52:02.724 That's an error. 00:52:02.804 --> 00:52:03.545 We'll figure that out. 00:52:03.605 --> 00:52:04.365 We'll do that off air. 00:52:04.385 --> 00:52:05.005 We'll figure that out. 00:52:05.347 --> 00:52:05.686 That's awesome. 00:52:05.706 --> 00:52:06.568 That's a five-minute fix. 00:52:07.347 --> 00:52:08.427 Absolutely. 00:52:08.467 --> 00:52:08.626 Yeah. 00:52:08.666 --> 00:52:09.688 Google Podcasts. 00:52:09.728 --> 00:52:10.367 We're on there. 00:52:10.407 --> 00:52:13.467 We use a publisher, 00:52:13.527 --> 00:52:14.648 so they just send it out. 00:52:15.009 --> 00:52:15.728 Yeah. 00:52:15.768 --> 00:52:16.789 We'll talk as soon as we're 00:52:16.809 --> 00:52:17.188 done with this. 00:52:17.509 --> 00:52:18.769 We've got to do a parting shot, though. 00:52:18.789 --> 00:52:19.869 Are you ready for your parting shot? 00:52:20.489 --> 00:52:22.771 This is the parting shot. 00:52:22.811 --> 00:52:23.570 Parting shot brought to you 00:52:23.590 --> 00:52:24.391 by the Academy of 00:52:24.451 --> 00:52:25.610 Orthopedic Physical Therapy. 00:52:25.630 --> 00:52:28.351 Find them online at orthopt.org. 00:52:28.371 --> 00:52:29.532 They've got current concepts 00:52:29.692 --> 00:52:30.572 of orthopedic physical 00:52:30.592 --> 00:52:31.552 therapy in their fifth edition. 00:52:31.572 --> 00:52:32.972 That's like this really great roadmap. 00:52:33.925 --> 00:52:35.405 From wherever you are in your PT career, 00:52:35.425 --> 00:52:36.467 if you're like, I'm an ortho PT, 00:52:36.507 --> 00:52:37.126 I want to be better. 00:52:37.186 --> 00:52:37.788 Maybe I want to take that 00:52:37.847 --> 00:52:39.389 OCS exam or something. 00:52:39.528 --> 00:52:40.750 Take Current Concepts. 00:52:40.809 --> 00:52:41.769 It's just outlined and it's 00:52:41.989 --> 00:52:42.590 put together by the 00:52:42.630 --> 00:52:43.952 smartest people in ortho PT. 00:52:44.371 --> 00:52:45.672 OrthoPT.org. 00:52:45.733 --> 00:52:47.614 All right, Mathel, party shot, 00:52:47.813 --> 00:52:48.534 mic drop moment. 00:52:48.554 --> 00:52:49.456 What do you want to leave with people? 00:52:51.036 --> 00:52:52.958 Don't be afraid to, one, 00:52:52.978 --> 00:52:53.878 don't be afraid to fail. 00:52:54.378 --> 00:52:56.039 Two, just go out there and go do it. 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:56.981 Just get better. 00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:57.760 Every day, 00:52:57.820 --> 00:52:58.922 just go out there and get better. 00:52:59.574 --> 00:53:01.614 My buddy Boba Banko says 1% better, 00:53:01.614 --> 00:53:02.894 1% better every day, man. 00:53:03.295 --> 00:53:04.016 I'm not a math guy, 00:53:04.036 --> 00:53:04.856 but that adds up to a lot. 00:53:05.516 --> 00:53:06.275 That adds up to a lot. 00:53:06.295 --> 00:53:06.916 All right. 00:53:06.976 --> 00:53:07.976 Mattel, appreciate your time. 00:53:08.317 --> 00:53:09.318 Thanks for changing from a 00:53:09.398 --> 00:53:10.777 recording to a live stream. 00:53:10.838 --> 00:53:12.338 I just, I like, it's funny. 00:53:12.418 --> 00:53:14.039 Cause when you know, I sing with radio, 00:53:14.478 --> 00:53:15.940 when you know, people are listening. 00:53:17.023 --> 00:53:17.543 it's different. 00:53:17.563 --> 00:53:18.985 It feels like a different speed. 00:53:19.045 --> 00:53:21.186 It puts us, our brains, it's different. 00:53:21.226 --> 00:53:22.027 Like when you talk in front 00:53:22.047 --> 00:53:23.347 of a group or you're talking alone, 00:53:23.867 --> 00:53:24.449 it's different. 00:53:24.568 --> 00:53:25.789 And I, and I don't know, 00:53:25.829 --> 00:53:27.291 when we first got on the screen, 00:53:27.331 --> 00:53:28.251 I was like, he's got a vibe. 00:53:28.271 --> 00:53:31.153 He's got a cool microphone, headphones. 00:53:31.193 --> 00:53:32.074 Like he knows what he's doing. 00:53:32.094 --> 00:53:33.835 All right. 00:53:34.135 --> 00:53:34.876 Uh, don't hang up. 00:53:34.976 --> 00:53:37.038 I want to talk about podcast specs, but, 00:53:37.378 --> 00:53:37.458 uh, 00:53:37.538 --> 00:53:38.518 I'm going to sign off the live stream. 00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:39.500 All right. 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:39.940 All right. 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:40.420 They said the best 00:53:40.460 --> 00:53:41.822 conversations happen at happy hour. 00:53:42.121 --> 00:53:42.782 Thanks for coming on. 00:53:47.465 --> 00:53:47.994 Thank you.