A Decade Under the Influence: Jimmy McKay Gets Interviewed

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uh there's like footage yeah oh that's

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beautiful yeah i shot that myself that's a

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lot that's just stock footage but it looks

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cool i put the look i put my

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logo on there we're live from anaheim csm

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i didn't realize how close to disney we

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are literally across the street i gotta

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hit a pitching wedge there uh face soaks

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back on the show

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It's good to be here.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Just want to make sure people can hear

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you.

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Perfect.

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Good.

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Today's not about me.

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Today's, all right.

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This was your idea, so you're in charge.

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This was my idea.

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You're in charge.

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I am in charge.

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I have questions and everything.

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I'm not going to be the same quality

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of host,

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but I'm excited to hear his answers.

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So today's guest.

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is proof that you can switch tracks

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without losing the beat he was a rock

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radio dj who became a doctor of physical

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therapy and then fused both to create pt

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pinecast the show that basically is if a

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ted talk and a radio show had a

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baby and raised it in a pt clinic

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After hundreds of interviews and a global

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audience,

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he's still spilling pints and pulling out

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the truths we all wish someone would say

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out loud.

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And today,

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we get to celebrate ten years under the

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influence of Jimmy McKay.

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So welcome to your hijacked show, Jimmy.

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Thank you.

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I do like the ten years under the

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influence.

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It's kind of cool.

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You came up with that.

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A decade under the influence.

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I think that was an album title.

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I think that's a Taking Back Sunday,

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I think, or a song title.

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I don't know.

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I might have made that up.

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Well, thank you for doing this.

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This is fun.

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Yes.

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So it's your podcast birthday.

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And the weird part is I started the

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podcast in twenty fifteen.

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So this is like ten and change.

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But shortly after I started the podcast,

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my professor, Sky Donovan, was like,

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you have to go to this thing.

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It's called CSM.

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Yes.

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I hadn't I didn't have two nickels

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together,

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but I had to fly from Virginia to

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Anaheim.

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So this is where my first CSM was

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a decade ago.

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And this is where I met you.

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And yes, ago again, you told me that.

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Where were we?

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I don't remember.

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It was a staircase.

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We were in a staircase.

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That happens.

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You know, a lot of stories like that.

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All right.

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It's your podcast birthday.

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Okay.

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So we're going to do a birthday flight.

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Good.

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Five drinks.

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Each one is tied to a question.

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You can take a shot,

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tell a story or both.

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Okay.

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Your call.

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Are you ready?

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Let's do it.

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All right.

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You may wish he took a starting shot

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when I took over this show.

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I did take espresso this morning,

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so I got a little edge on me.

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But we're going to ease in a little

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bit with a nice bourbon.

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Okay.

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Let's call that the starting shot, though.

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What's one thing you haven't gotten to

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talk about at CSM twenty twenty six that

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you want to talk about right now?

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Oh, gosh.

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I mean, we talk about it a lot,

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but it's what everybody talks about in the

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middle.

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It feels like we have no solution,

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which is like,

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do we don't we get paid crappy and

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everything's too expensive?

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Everything's everything's on fire and

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everyone talks about it.

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We talked about it at Graham sessions a

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few weeks ago and it was like,

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what were the answers?

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I'm like, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I wish I could fix it.

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I wish it was a magical combination of

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words because the largest portion of PTs

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here are students.

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And I'm like,

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I don't know what to tell them.

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Should you not?

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It's too late.

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You're already here.

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Keep going, right?

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And if you want to do this,

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I don't want to back people out.

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But that's the big hairy scary.

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APTA just put out a strategic plan.

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I haven't read it yet,

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but the smart people told me what was

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in it.

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They're like, here's what was on it.

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They were like,

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number one thing APTA is going to be

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doing, reimbursement.

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How do we fix all the things?

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And like the number two thing is seven

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miles away.

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It's the number two is seven.

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And then the next thing,

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I don't know what the next thing was

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because they were like,

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it's reimbursement.

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If we don't get paid more,

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we're not going to have a profession.

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So I guess, I guess we're all,

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I'm talking,

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my answer is we're talking about it.

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It's just, there's no real good answer,

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which I like answers.

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There isn't one.

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But at the same time,

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if you're going places like this podcast

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where they're having these conversations,

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that's how we find the solution.

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So especially as a student,

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because the next question's about y'all.

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As a student,

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making sure you're going places where

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there's conversations are happening is

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One,

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I find my students often have these

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unusual solutions I never considered

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because I have developed biases.

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I've been in the field ten years.

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So I'm looking for specific things.

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I am bringing the same solutions to the

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table and they've got.

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these like creative juices that I hadn't

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imagined.

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A different life experience.

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Even if you grew up in the same

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town that I did,

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but you're eighteen years younger than me,

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it's not the same town like and you

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did different thing.

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I mean,

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somebody was talking about yesterday.

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She was born in nineteen ninety seven.

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I graduated high school in nineteen ninety

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seven.

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And she the the the idea was she's

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never known a world without phones.

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And I was like, oh, yeah,

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what's that like?

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Because there weren't any.

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And then there were and we adapted to

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that.

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Oh,

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Thank you.

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Yeah, we're just doing a live stream,

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but I appreciate you driving by.

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Thanks.

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Thanks, guys.

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That's why it's not scripted.

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So, I mean, I heard someone talk about,

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it doesn't sound like it's related,

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but landfills.

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And, like, how do we reduce landfills?

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What are we going to do?

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Like,

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where are we going to put the garbage?

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And they're like, dude, no.

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Some kid who's seven years old right now

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is going to figure out a way to

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develop a thing that eats plastic and

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makes it into candy.

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Wait, didn't they?

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Probably, yeah.

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I'm almost positive that a child did

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invent something like that.

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But that's the thing.

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We're never going to undo the sins of

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us or our parents.

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It's going to be,

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we just have to invent.

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It's the movie The Martian, which is like,

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I'm just going to science the shit out

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of it.

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It's like, we have to keep going.

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It's not slowing down.

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Everybody's like, how do we slow AI down?

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I'm like, my man,

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jeans out of the bottle.

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I remember in two thousand ninety whatever

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when Napster was the thing.

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So, kids,

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you didn't always just be able to go

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to Spotify and just listen to whatever you

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wanted.

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You had to have these discs.

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And if you scratched it.

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But Napster was just like you just get

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a song.

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And like Metallica was like,

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and I heard someone smart was like,

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you never legislate.

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You can't legislate against technology.

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It's going to pop up somewhere else.

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And the smart people like Steve Jobs was

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like, OK.

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What if we have to come to a

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compromise where everybody gets it or else

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they're going to use alternative means of

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breaking the rules.

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Like you can go to Pirate Bay and

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get any video you want.

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But when I have Amazon and it's like

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two dollars,

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I'm like that that feels reasonable.

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I'll do that.

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Someone had someone pointed it out before.

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Like if you want people to stop just

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leaving trash in your public place,

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put garbage cans up,

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put garbage can and empty them.

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It's like they want to do the right

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thing.

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But if you make it too hard,

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they will do the wrong.

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There's a well.

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I'm done here.

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So we want to do the right thing.

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And maybe we have gone full circle,

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which is back to reimbursement.

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Maybe we just haven't hit the nail.

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Someone who's fifteen,

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who's going to be twenty five in ten

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years, probably has a better solution.

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Did you ever hear about three M like

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the tape company or whatever?

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They had this thing where they couldn't

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you know, they were engineers.

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And they had a bunch of engineers trying

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to figure out a problem.

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And they kept all doing the same things

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and getting no result.

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So this guy put the problem up on

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a website and put a bounty on it.

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And then like,

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and I might be making this up,

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but it was like a shepherd was like,

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why don't you use this method?

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And then they did it and it worked.

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It's like, because he, you can't.

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can't teach outside the box thinking

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unless you let people just leave the box

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the engineers were all in a lab the

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shepherd's on a hill and he had to

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solve a shepherd problem and he's like

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well this is the way to do it

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and they did it and then they figured

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out if we put bounties on this problem

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like whatever bounty the shepherd figured

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out was a million dollar problem they

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gained fifty grand they were like well

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that's a good roi and the shepherd's like

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great i'll buy more sheep

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We've got more sheep.

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So I love the policy people and the

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advocacy people,

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but the answer might be a podcast,

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or the answer might be we all do

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a flash mob at the Capitol.

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I don't know,

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but doing the same thing over and over

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again and getting crappier results.

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Not even the same results,

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the crappier results.

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We are losing ground here, guys.

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So let's think about it from this angle.

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As much as we're excited for their

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innovation,

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they still benefit from mentorship.

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Correct.

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So let's go with your next drink.

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Okay.

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All right.

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We've got a bunch of up and coming

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PTs here at CSM.

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They're about to turn twenty one and get

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their license.

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You are going to buy them their first

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beer.

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Okay.

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What advice do you want to tell them

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before they start their career?

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I would say,

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this is a quote from the seventies

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journalism, trust but verify,

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which is if someone tells you don't start

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a business until you're three years in,

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trust them, but then ask someone else.

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All advice isn't universal, right?

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There's always the outliers.

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I was told not to start a podcast

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because it would distract from me

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studying.

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And I was like,

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but you don't know how I study.

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And the person was right in that they

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were like,

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I hear you starting the side project when

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the important thing is in front of you.

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And I was like, I...

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I learn a lot from doing this weird

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thing.

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In fact, I learn in different ways.

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And then when I sit down to study,

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I come at it differently.

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So I would say there's a lot of

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advice.

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There are people on stages.

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They are not trying to deceive you.

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They are just giving you their advice from

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their singular point of view.

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And I want you to take

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the greatest hits,

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and then slam that all together.

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And if you get to a point where

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the greatest hits aren't doing it for you,

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start getting more greatest hits.

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Lifelong learning is cool,

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but maybe there's a better term,

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which is lifelong adapting,

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which is you don't have to be the

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same person that just gets old.

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You're a different person each time.

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Go with it.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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She made that up.

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That was perfect.

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Goes off the cuff is what we've grown

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to love him for.

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All right.

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Next drink.

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Okay.

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Someone has just seen your podcast at CSM.

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Yeah.

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Excuse me.

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They come up to you and they ask

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for the specials.

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What episodes do you want them to go

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back to?

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This is great.

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Um, I was, do you know Chad cook?

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Yes.

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So Chad cook did,

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do you know what predatory journals are?

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Yes.

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So predatory journals are anybody can get

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published, but I mean,

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they'll publish anything.

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So Chad did one where predatory journals

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come to Chad Cook because he's Chad Cook

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and they're just like, publish here,

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publish here.

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So he wanted to show that he literally

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could fling trash at them and pay the

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fee and it would get published.

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So he did a study that was so

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tongue-in-cheek that the tongue actually

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just came outside of the cheek.

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And it was repeated cervical manipulations

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on a post-mortem person.

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Essentially, they were like,

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so we had a patient who died.

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Twenty minutes later,

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we did repeated neck manips,

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and then they came back to life.

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They were showing any reasonable person

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who read this would be like,

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this is insane.

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And they published it.

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And it was just like, see,

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they'll publish anything.

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So I want trust but verify with that.

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And the second one,

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so when you go on Spotify or Apple,

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you can only see the last two or

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three hundred episodes.

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So every time you publish one,

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one falls off.

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So if there's good ones,

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I try to make sure,

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repost it so it doesn't fall off the

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back.

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But, um,

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I went on a service learning trip in

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my third year PT school.

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I was one foot out the door.

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I was going to graduate because I mean,

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if you're close to the end, graduate,

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still going to owe the money.

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Um, but, uh, I was, I was like,

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I don't know where I fit.

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I don't know where I fit in the

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profession.

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So we were in Costa Rica for two

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weeks.

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We worked at an orphanage,

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but I still was like,

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cool when i get back to america my

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problems are gonna still be there and i

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don't know what i'm doing but i got

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paired up with this one young man who

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had just turned who had uh uh m

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d let's go dystrophy uh and for two

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weeks like just happiest kid in the world

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like just happy and i'm like but you're

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in an orphanage you don't even own your

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own clothes like

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I went down there to be like,

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I can't wait to show you how smart

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we're all.

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Talk to your students.

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And look how smart I am.

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And I'm just sitting there going,

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what is your secret,

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kid in an orphanage in Costa Rica who

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doesn't own his own clothes,

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who's in a Tilton Space wheelchair all

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day?

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And you wake up and you're like, hola.

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And I'm like, what is your deal?

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Yeah.

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And then I got angry because I wasn't

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able to help him.

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He had muscular dystrophy.

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He's just going to degrade.

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I mean,

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he was past the average age for someone

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with his condition.

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And spring break was right after our trip.

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So you're a bunch of twenty five year

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olds.

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I was like thirty five,

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but all my classmates were twenty five.

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So we rented Airbnbs and stayed in the

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jungle with monkeys.

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And the first night I'm there,

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I'm like angry because I'm like,

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we left him no better than we found

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him.

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He's happy, but I'm pissed.

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So I started a GoFundMe page because my

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professor was a mobility specialist.

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And I was like,

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if you were in the United States,

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what would you get?

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And she was like, well,

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he would get a crazy expensive wheelchair.

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And she's like,

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what do you just turn into a learning

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moment, teaching moment?

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What do you think that would cost?

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And I'm like, I don't know, ten grand.

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And she's like, oh, let's sit down.

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So she sat like almost like we played

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Battleship.

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She was like, tell me about him.

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And I was like this and this.

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And she's like,

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do you think he needs this for this?

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And I was like this.

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So she's building the chair on a website,

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like building a car scratch as I'm telling

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her.

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And then she's like,

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what do you think it costs?

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And I was like.

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And she was like, okay.

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And she like hits enter and like spins

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the laptop around.

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And it was like,

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thirty six thousand dollars.

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Wow.

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And he doesn't own his own clothes.

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So I'm like, all right, but I'm angry.

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And I just started the podcast maybe like

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six months before that.

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And when I got back to the US,

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I was like,

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so I started the GoFundMe page while I

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was drunk and on spring break.

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I just started telling a story over and

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over and over again.

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And I was like, hey,

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give me five bucks.

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Give me five bucks.

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I was smart enough to go for the

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easy ask.

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And of course,

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no one gave me five bucks because if

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you're going to take your wallet out,

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you're going to do twenty because it's

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easy.

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So bang, bang, bang.

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the more we raise,

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the more people are like,

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what's that kid doing?

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He seems pissed.

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And then like, someone would be like,

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if you raise a thousand dollars in the

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next three days, I'll match it.

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So it was like a thousand.

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We too.

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And then a company was like,

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I'll throw in two grand.

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And then per mobile,

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I want to say their name as much

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as possible.

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The wheelchair company saw what I was

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doing and they were like, so that's,

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thirty whatever thousand dollars what if

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we made it like what if we so

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their price was coming down we've got a

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display model we can give you and the

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price is coming down the money's going up

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so we raised like thirty three thousand

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dollars in sixty six days and I was

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like I'm not a mathematician we raised two

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thousand dollars a day just because we

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just kept repeating and then the school

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got a hold of the idea they were

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like some students doing a weird thing

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they paid for me to go to Costa

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Rica with a professor because I didn't

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speak any Spanish and

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And we gave him the chair and it

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was like a full circle moment because we

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changed his minute to minute existence.

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And I was like,

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now I can walk across the stage of

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graduation and be like,

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we did we did at least one thing.

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And it sort of showed me that you

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could just do stuff without permission and

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that stuff could be good and it didn't

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have to be traditional.

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Like there was no manual for that.

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There's no syllabus for this.

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This was see a problem.

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solve it which is also ironically uh david

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petrino who i got a chance to work

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with at mount sinai he's the director of

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rehab innovation it's literally his job

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title and his definite definition of

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innovation working at a large hospital

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system with access to technology and this

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and this is the most stunningly simple

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definition of innovation find a problem

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that no one else is solving solve that

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you are innovative.

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It doesn't need to be lasers,

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it doesn't need to be AI,

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it can be, it should be stunningly simple,

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so it's repeatable.

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Because if it's not,

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no one's gonna do it.

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So technically,

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we were innovative because we saw a

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problem,

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because that orphanage had medical

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schools, dental schools, PT schools,

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around the country, constantly going in.

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It's one way they funded themselves.

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Medical tourism, right, in a good way.

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There's some problems about that,

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but we'll talk about that in November.

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And it really just showed me, like,

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if you just give a shit enough,

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you can kind of solve it.

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And if you get more people to give

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a shit, it's easier and faster.

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So that was probably my favorite episode.

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The Chad Cook one was just hysterical.

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People would reference that a lot.

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But the Hainer episode was the money ball.

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What I really like about that story

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though,

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is you took the thing they told you

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was probably not a good idea,

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but then you leveraged that to create

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something that was meaningful because

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that's the way you learn and that's the

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way you progress.

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So I think,

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especially for our new students and our

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new grads,

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when we're looking at those gifts that we

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have, you know yourself,

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you know what you're good at,

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you know the way you learn,

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you know the way you drive change.

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Sometimes you need to trust that gut

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feeling.

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Yeah.

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So there's some walls too.

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So I started a podcast and this isn't

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a knock on my classmates,

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but like the thirty seven people sitting

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next to me every day when I was

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launching this crazy thing that's still

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been around for ten years,

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they were not impressed.

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And that's not a knock on them.

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They didn't.

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It was one more thing.

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I mean,

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I have other crazy ideas that never go

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off.

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I mean,

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this looks like I did one thing and

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it made,

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I have a lot of things that don't

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work.

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So they're like, here's one more thing.

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When you start on a thing and it's

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in your gut and other people don't,

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it's not that they don't believe you.

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They can't see it.

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Right.

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Even if you explain it a hundred times,

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sometimes you can't,

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you can't just do this and be like,

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there it is.

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And they're like, all right, man,

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let's cool.

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So I have learned number one,

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You have to get to step fifteen before

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people start to be like, huh.

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And it's probably not going to be the

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people around you.

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Right.

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And when you see someone,

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if someone comes with you, like,

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I have an idea.

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Don't shit on it.

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Absolutely.

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But not even just don't shit on it.

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Like,

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put yourself back in that spot and be

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like, I might not see it now,

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but they're not asking me to approve or

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disprove of this idea.

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They might just need to say it.

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Yes.

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Fifty times.

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Let them say it.

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I used to be a rock radio DJ.

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we would make fun of things like if

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someone did something stupid on the night

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before we would that would be all we

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talk about the next day and that's funny

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i now i'm older and if you come

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to me and you tell me you love

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you like the northeast champion of pokemon

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like i would have tanked on p i

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would have dunked on like that's dumb

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listen to whatever now i don't like

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pokemon i'm like look how excited that

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girl is about pokemon i want to focus

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on the excitement and i don't care what

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it is you like gardening i'm like tell

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me why you like gardening

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What do you like about that?

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Oh, I love to watch something grow.

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That's awesome.

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So boil it down to what it is.

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It's not about Pokemon.

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It's not about gardening.

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It's about the elements of,

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if you want to get all sciencey,

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break it down to whatever the elements of.

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People used to shit on me, like, oh,

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you're doing that podcast still?

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And I'm like, yeah,

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I'm having conversations with super smart

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people that you read books that they

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write, and I hang out with them,

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and I can ask them anything I want.

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And when I put it that way,

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they're like, oh, shit,

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that feels like a life hack.

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I'm like, it is.

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It is.

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So what up, podcast boy?

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Isn't the dunk you think it is?

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Because I like it.

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It sounds like you've defined, well,

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we know you've defined yourself by not

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having boundaries.

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Yeah.

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Your next drink involves a boundary,

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though.

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Okay, hit me.

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Okay.

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It is a shot roulette.

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Okay.

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I'm going to give you three topics.

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Go.

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You can only talk about one.

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Okay.

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Well, good.

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That is a hard thing,

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me not talking about something.

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You ready?

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Go.

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All right.

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Option one, APTA membership.

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What would you do on day one if

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you were suddenly in charge?

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Ooh, I like that one.

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Two, AI and PT.

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What's the bold claim you stand by even

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if people disagree?

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Three, the PT hill you'll die on.

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What's the opinion you refuse to let go

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of?

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So I'm going to go outside the rules

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again.

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I'll leave AI off the table.

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We'll talk about that enough.

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I'll talk about if I got hired by

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APTA, what would I do?

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And the hill,

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because I would die on this hill.

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So...

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the people that are walking around us

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right now like if they did the math

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on why they came to csm members or

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not the math don't math for ceus that's

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not why you're here i don't think apta

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is a membership organization because

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membership is a how like then by

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definition netflix is a membership

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organization because i pay and i have

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access i'm a member

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But the two different things between

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Netflix and APTA is Netflix lets you have

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access to data or movies,

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and APTA lets you have access to people.

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So you're a belonging organization.

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The line that I hope APTA steals for

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CSM next year is come to CSM.

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Why?

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And some people might list features,

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feature, feature, feature.

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We have this many speakers and this many

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this and this many CUs and this many

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vendors.

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No,

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see future versions of yourself walking

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around everywhere or find where that

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future version of yourself is.

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Find people that you don't like their

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viewpoint and figure out why and be like,

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that's cool.

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You can have that.

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I'm just gonna, I don't like that.

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And then find people you appreciate their

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viewpoint.

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And don't just follow it dogmatically

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until you run off the hill like a

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lemming.

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I kinda like that.

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Which parts do you like?

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I like this, this, not this, this.

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Great, take that.

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So I would say we need to lean

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into that more.

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How do you do that?

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the hell I will die on is this

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is not,

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this profession is not a tell business.

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We are in show business.

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And that doesn't mean you need to have

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a ticky-tock and do dance and do,

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I don't do any of the dancing.

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You're welcome in videos.

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But it,

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The more you show,

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the more people will understand,

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the more the profession will grow.

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Some people get annoyed by missed or

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disinformation or what they determine as

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missed or disinformation.

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There's no internet police.

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You can't get that removed,

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but you can dilute it by putting out

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tons and tons and tons and tons of

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good information.

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So I would say we're a belonging

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organization that's masquerading as a

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professional association, which we are,

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but this is why people come and

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fifteen thousand people are here out of a

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profession of three hundred thousand

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that's a fraction of something i don't

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know what it is i can't do math

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fast but you can reach these people with

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these stupid little devices because if i

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belong to apta and then i go around

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the sun once right for twelve months and

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i don't feel because i can't come to

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a conference it's not the only way so

00:22:00.311 --> 00:22:02.952
but if state chapters are outmanned and

00:22:03.032 --> 00:22:04.433
outgunned and underfunded it's not their

00:22:04.453 --> 00:22:04.773
fault

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Sections and academies,

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they all want to do the right thing.

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They're great.

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You need to show more.

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And that's my lens.

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I'm a communications guy.

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Of course,

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I'm going to think it's a communications

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problem and solution.

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But that would be my hill to die

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on and APTA statement.

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All right.

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Tell me your parting shot.

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My parting shot is... Oh,

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I love this one.

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Wait, let's do the graphic.

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Do the graphic.

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You have a graphic?

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Yeah, I'll do this.

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Boom.

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This is the parting shot.

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One last mic drop moment.

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No pressure.

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Just your legacy on the line.

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Is pressure filled when it is you?

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Literally his legacy on the line.

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Ten years.

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So if I were to get a tattoo...

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Uh, I know, but I would,

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this would be it.

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So there was a guy over in the

00:22:47.695 --> 00:22:47.856
UK,

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like the British version of the attorney

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or surgeon general.

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And he said,

00:22:52.258 --> 00:22:53.479
science isn't finished until it's

00:22:53.499 --> 00:22:54.058
communicated.

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And as a guy in science and

00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:57.780
communications, I ran around for a month.

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That was like my email signature.

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And I was like, this is great.

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Science isn't finished until it's

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communicated, communicate, communicate.

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And then I said, wait a minute.

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I don't think that's complete.

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I was watching a beautiful mind.

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And he was like,

00:23:09.306 --> 00:23:10.425
that's his whole line was that's

00:23:10.445 --> 00:23:10.865
incomplete.

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Like you're not, you're close,

00:23:11.707 --> 00:23:12.146
but you're not there.

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I think science isn't finished until it's

00:23:14.655 --> 00:23:15.276
understood.

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Here's what I mean.

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I could be the most efficient third grade

00:23:18.218 --> 00:23:19.298
teacher on the planet.

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I could blow through that third grade

00:23:20.439 --> 00:23:21.500
syllabus in a week.

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Now the children would have no idea what

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I said,

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because my job would have just been to

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communicate it.

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No,

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the job is to do it at the

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speed and in the ways,

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and sometimes you think this lesson's

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gonna take five minutes,

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but it takes fifty-five minutes.

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Why?

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Because you're not doing it right.

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They're not not getting it.

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You're not doing it right for them.

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So I think as soon as you think

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that you've communicated and your job's

00:23:41.051 --> 00:23:42.173
done, it's not.

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The onus is still on you for patient

00:23:44.253 --> 00:23:47.036
education or student education or public

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education.

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Well, we said it.

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We put it on a billboard.

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That's not how brains work, my friend.

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We repeat.

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We do different methods.

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So science isn't finished until it's

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understood and it's still on you or us.

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to continually educate and change and be

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better at communication.

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So science isn't finished until it's

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understood.

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That's my parting shot.

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That's fantastic.

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Yeah.

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Jimmy,

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thank you for hanging out with me today.

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I had a blast.

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Thank you for interviewing me on my show.

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Appreciate it.

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Thanks, folks, everybody.