You’re Not Stuck: Rethinking Your PT Career

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You're listening to the PT Pinecast,

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where smart people in healthcare come to

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make noise.

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Here's your host, Jimmy McKay.

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All right,

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she started in a place most of you

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know well, treating patients,

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solving problems,

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and navigating the realities of clinical

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care.

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But somewhere along the way,

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she began asking a different question.

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What if the skills we use every day

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as physical therapists could apply...

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somewhere else entirely.

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Now that curiosity led her out of the

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clinic and into the world of technology,

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where instead of treating patients,

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she now manages complicated systems,

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teams, and products.

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And what she discovered might challenge

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you, how you think about your own career.

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So let's bring in Alana.

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Alana, welcome to the show.

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Hi, Jimmy.

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Thanks for having me.

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And before we hit record, you said,

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I don't even know if this is going

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to be interesting.

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But I feel like when we can peer

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into what someone else is doing,

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when it's a little bit or a lot

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different than what

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normal is, right?

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Normal or typical, I guess we should say.

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What we think is normal is not to

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other people.

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So I don't know.

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When I looked at what you were doing,

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it sort of jumped out at me.

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So let's start here.

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What started the thought in your mind of

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stepping outside the clinic?

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There's always a logical thing,

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but it doesn't happen unless there's an

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emotional component.

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So what was it for you?

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Yeah, it was emotional.

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I started dating somebody who worked from

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home and I said, oh my God, wait,

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you do that from home?

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And obviously physical therapy is not a

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job normally that you do from home.

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Now there's some options to do so.

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But yeah, I started questioning,

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is there any way that I can take

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my skills and what I do now

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and do something from home.

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So that was the first emotional part of

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it.

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But also, you know,

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there was a logical part of like,

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I also feel like I've treated patients for

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five years,

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I went to school for six years,

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like I've been doing this for a while.

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And I haven't really gotten anywhere yet,

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other than being a PT.

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So those were the main reasons why I

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switched.

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So let's go to the nuts and bolts

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of it.

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Describe what it is that you do.

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I sort of, in the intro said,

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you know,

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you manage complex systems and teams and

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products, but like, what do you do?

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That's such a funny question because, so,

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okay, I'm a project manager.

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That's it.

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But people are like,

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what is a project manager?

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So what I do is I am kind

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of that herder, that bridge between,

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you know,

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different teams at the company,

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and I take on any type of complex

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project that needs to get done,

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whether it's for the business,

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for the engineering or product side of

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things,

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sales and marketing side of things,

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I'll basically do anything and everything.

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So it's somebody who is really organized

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and can get people together and get a

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task completed.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So it sounds like if you stripped away

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exactly what you did,

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PTs or people in healthcare sort of do

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that, similar things.

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As my friend Rebecca Griffith would say,

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you probably took some of your familiar

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skills to an unfamiliar place and applied

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them just a little bit differently.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I took the skills that I learned as

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a PT and I had developed over so

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many years and I took it into the

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non-clinical world.

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And there's so many jobs that are looking

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for people that can do that.

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Right.

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But a lot of people might search

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non-clinical physical therapy job.

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And I got to be honest,

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people aren't going to write that in the

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description.

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They're going to write it in different

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ways.

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So it might be part of your job

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or your job search to

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understand what they might be looking for

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and sort of reverse engineer that.

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Yeah.

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I think typing in non-clinical physical

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therapy jobs is not the best strategy.

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I did that in the beginning too.

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And I found things like medical device

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sales and customer success roles.

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And while those are great roles for

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somebody who is interested in those,

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that wasn't what I was looking for.

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So I don't think project manager really

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comes up very often.

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Right.

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But you're managing a caseload is kind of

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one big unconnected project or a bunch of

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projects connected together.

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Now walk us through this.

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Walk us through the transition.

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What were the hardest parts of moving away

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from this thing that you just went to

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school for a long time and practiced and

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into this other world of technology?

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Yeah.

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Um,

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I felt behind in the world of technology.

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I,

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it wasn't anything that I was using in

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my clinical, uh, career at the time.

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Um,

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AI was just coming up and it was,

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you know, um,

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I really had to learn some things

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independently and, and on the new job too.

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Um, so tech was something I, I didn't,

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I didn't know too well, um,

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at the time.

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And then, um, yeah,

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I also think like the people asking why

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was another hard part.

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Um,

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That I think a lot of PTs that

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are looking or any health care workers

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that are looking to get out of the

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field get that question a lot, too.

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But, yeah,

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it was something that I was I was

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ready to do.

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I was you know,

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I had made that decision and I wasn't

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going to look back.

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So, yeah.

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Was there an emotional component of having

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to tell people that you were now sort

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of I mean,

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this is a little bit of an identity

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change, right?

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Were this thing and now I'm going to

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be when I sort of stepped away and

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stepped into whatever the heck it is that

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I do.

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I'm still not a hundred percent sure.

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Um,

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there was a little bit of an identity

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shift.

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Did you, did you feel that too?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, I had to take like the,

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the letters off.

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I didn't have to,

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I took the letters off my name on

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LinkedIn, like at the end, um,

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no more PT, DPT.

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And I was like, Whoa, um, that's weird.

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But I wanted to frame myself in a

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more, you know, health tech ready way.

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And I,

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I took those letters off and I,

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you know, haven't put them back up.

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So, um,

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Talk about direct translation.

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What skills from PT translated directly

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into project management?

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When you sat there, you're like, oh,

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not only can I do this,

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I've already done this.

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Yeah,

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definitely stakeholder management and not

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to call patients stakeholders by any

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means,

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but your patients are people that you get

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to know and you learn their language and

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you learn their style on whatever it may

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be to to treat them.

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And I I took those

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skills in managing people.

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And I was able to manage teams in

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what I do now.

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And it's really about learning to get on

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someone's level.

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And you do that so well as a

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PT every single day.

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Sure.

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Not even just every day, every hour.

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Every hour.

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I think as you're saying it,

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I like playing with words or looking how

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they work,

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which is stakeholder might sound

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superficial at first,

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but

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you have to have a stake in your

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own health, right?

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I mean,

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I can't do any exercises for you.

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So your job a lot of the times

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is to get that person to do things

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like buying in, follow through,

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which I guess I'm guessing are a lot

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of things that you have to do and

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get to do as a project manager now.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, that's so right.

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Yeah.

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Let me pay the bills.

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Now,

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where do you think education in physical

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therapy falls short?

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in preparing students and eventually

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clinicians for something like career

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flexibility?

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Is there something that it falls short on

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them?

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What else could we add?

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Yeah,

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I went to PT school a while ago

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at this point.

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I graduated in twenty seventeen.

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But like I said earlier,

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things have changed.

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Like there's so much new tech out there.

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I think technology and health care is one

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thing that we never learned.

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It wasn't a class we took or anything,

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but I think that would be a great

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course curriculum.

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I think.

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Non-clinical opportunities,

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while that's probably not something they

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want to push in PT school,

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I think it's worth it to talk about.

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I think a PT isn't just a PT

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in the clinic.

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A PT can be a PT anywhere.

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Now,

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you've said physical therapists or

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healthcare providers need to expand how

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they define impact.

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What does that mean in real terms?

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What does that mean to you?

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Well,

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I think a lot of PTs think if

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I'm not treating patients,

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if I'm not making people better directly

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with what I do every day,

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then I'm not making a difference in

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anyone's life.

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And that is far from the truth.

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Where I work now is a health tech

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company,

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and I change the lives of thousands of

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nurses every single day without ever

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touching them or meeting them even.

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So redefining that word impact,

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how can I make an impact on people

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and in the world

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I think that's a question worth asking.

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Yeah.

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I'll do the podcast live at PT programs

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and I'll start by sort of asking this

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sort of weird question.

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I'm like, hey,

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I have a degree in physical therapy,

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but I haven't treated a patient in this

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many months or years.

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I'm not in academics and I'm not in

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research and I'm not in management.

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Am I an actual physical therapist?

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And then I say,

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now I'm gonna do something.

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I'm gonna interview a bunch of people.

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And then I wanna know the answer until

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after we're done.

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And then I usually just ask,

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did your answer change from beginning to

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end?

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Because of something that you just said,

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which is,

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If I put an idea out from Alana

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that then goes and changes someone who

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changes thousands of people,

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was I part of the change?

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And I think if we look at it

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that way,

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you can see what impact can actually be

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or how far impact can actually travel.

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Right.

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Yeah, that's great.

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For someone listening who feels stuck,

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I don't want to overwhelm people,

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but what would you suggest the first step

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be to exploring something different?

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What's one action you'd say, okay,

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first of all, breathe in out, okay,

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and then do this?

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I would sit down and open up a

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word doc or take a notebook out and

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write down all the skills that you think

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that you're good at,

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regardless if it's related to PT or not,

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write them down a whole list.

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That's what I would do.

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Yeah.

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What would you put,

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what are some of the different things you

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had on your list or if you redid

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that list today,

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what would you put on there?

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Yeah.

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I think empathy.

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That's something that I, um,

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It's a skill I didn't learn,

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but I developed in physical therapy and I

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still use obviously to this day.

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So I would say I'm empathetic.

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I would say organizational skills.

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I can organize anything.

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Puzzle solving skills.

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I would also put that's personal to me,

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but yeah.

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Okay.

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You up for a quick game?

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Sure.

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Let's play rapid fire.

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I'm going to throw out a phrase and

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then you just answer.

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So just rapid fire questions,

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whatever comes to mind.

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Cause you said,

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I think PTs need to zoom out, right?

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You want to zoom out your phrase,

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not mine.

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So we'll go rapid fire.

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What's a skill every PT has,

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but doesn't actually realize that it's a

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skill and has value.

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Empathy.

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Um,

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You are empathetic.

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You treat patients every day.

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Better career move, stay or pivot?

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You have to pick one.

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Pivot, always.

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Coffee order that gets you through the

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deadlines.

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A creme brulee iced latte.

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smart i'm with you on the ice uh

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one linkedin habit that pts should start

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tomorrow besides the obvious if you're not

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on linkedin you should be so what's a

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linkedin habit that people should start

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tomorrow if you see somebody interesting

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there connect with them whether or not you

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know them whether or not you plan on

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reaching out just send that connection

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request one hundred percent agree uh

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crossword or clinical puzzle what's harder

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oh my gosh

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A Sunday crossword is pretty hard,

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but there were some clinical puzzles out

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there I couldn't quite solve.

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I'm good with words,

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but crossword puzzles,

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my brain doesn't brain that way.

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All right.

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We have a tradition on the show.

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It is called the parting shot.

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This is the parting shot.

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One last mic drop moment.

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No pressure.

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Just your legacy on the line.

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All right, parting shot.

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If someone listening right now in

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healthcare feels like their degree,

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put them in a box.

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I want you to look directly at the

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camera or speak directly in the

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microphone.

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What would you say to them to change

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how they see their career starting

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tomorrow?

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I would say,

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I'm looking directly in the camera.

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I would say the future of healthcare is

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going to be determined by people who think

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differently.

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in systems and understand technology and

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data and people and all that,

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and not just by treatment techniques.

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Yeah.

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There's going to be a lot of room

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for yes ands, I feel like,

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in the world.

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You can do this and,

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or you can take this and apply it

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somewhere else.

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Right.

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And that's why I say pivot instead of

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stay,

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because that next door may be the coolest

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thing that you've ever done.

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So open it.

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I don't know.

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I mean, the regret, I'd rather regret the,

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you know, what do we say?

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I'd rather regret the shot that you did

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take and not the one you didn't.

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That's what happens with you.

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Any resources that you would suggest

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someone can go look up after they're done

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writing down and journaling that one page

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like you suggested?

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Is there something tangible you'd send

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them to?

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Yeah,

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I think I don't know how often it's

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been talked about.

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But the non clinical PT is a great

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resource.

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And then they have like a newsletter,

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a blog,

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a job board that you can take a

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look at.

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So I would definitely start there.

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Yeah.

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Meredith's been doing great work for,

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I mean, a decade, close to more.

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Yeah.

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Great work.

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Alana, appreciate the insight.

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I think what you do is terribly

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interesting.

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And here's the thing.

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If we had a conversation for twenty

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minutes and one other person found value

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in this,

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I'm glad we threw it on the Internet

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and it found its way to them.

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So thanks for this.

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I agree.

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Thank you.

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That's it for this one,

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but we're just getting warmed up.

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It's for entertainment purposes only.

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See, Keith?

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We read the script.

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Happy now?