The Most Powerful PT TED-Style Talks You’ll Hear This Year (CSM 2026 Preview)

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Here's the question.

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You know those stories that sort of stick

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with you?

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The ones that shift your perspective or

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make you ask like good questions like,

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could I do that too?

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Now imagine hearing six of them.

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in one spot.

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Oh, you know where I'm going with this.

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At CSM this year in Anaheim,

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a group of PTs will take the stage

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to share moments that redefined how they

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led in the clinic, in systems, in lives.

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Keep looking, but you might, well,

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you're probably not gonna see these

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stories in a textbook.

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They're real world moments of failure,

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growth,

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and impact from people who walked the walk

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and live to tell about it.

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We're here today to give you a little

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bit of preview.

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This is the movie trailer before the big

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show.

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It's a backstage pass into the LAMP

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leadership talks coming up this year at

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APTA's combined sections meeting and the

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humans,

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the inspiring humans behind those stories.

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Let's bring in our

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first guest susan lukens susan welcome to

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the studio thanks for letting us be here

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jimmy this is great no pressure i just

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gave you the world's biggest boldest intro

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okay and what's what's what's your role

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here in this uh in this situation i

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mean you guys are essentially

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you know,

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mimicking these big stories in terms of

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like TED Talks, right?

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Ideas that spread.

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That's TED's line.

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TED's lawyers are on the line.

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I can't use that.

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TED Style Talks.

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TED Style Talks is how we say it.

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So how do you define a TED Style

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Talk?

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Why take this route?

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I know why I love them.

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Why you?

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Well, you know,

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I fell in love with them before I

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was ever part of the LAMP leadership

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committee.

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Because the first one I went to was

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at CSM in New Orleans.

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And these people got up there and they

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spoke from the heart.

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They talked about, like you said,

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the mistakes they made as leaders and what

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they learned from it and how they grew.

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And it was organic and real.

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And I thought, wow,

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I want to be a part of this

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group.

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These are my people.

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And I ended up joining the committee.

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And I'm the current chair of the LAMP

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Leadership Committee.

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I teach the curriculum.

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And for the last three years,

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I've actually gotten up there,

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butterflies in the stomach,

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full convention hall,

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and talked about some of the things I've

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learned as a leader.

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And like you said,

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these aren't the things you're going to

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learn in a course.

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There are things like making choices of

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how to figure out your work-life balance,

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how to be a lifelong learner,

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how to make sure that you have the

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capacity

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to support others and yourself as you go

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through this journey.

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The exciting thing this year is this we've

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had ten years.

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This is the tenth year of these TED

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style talks.

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And I can tell you every year we

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have a huge convention room and it's full

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and we usually go to an overflow room

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where they put us up on a screen.

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These are stories that people want to

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hear.

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We always have a long line of people

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to end asking questions,

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wanting to know more.

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It's just it's real life as we all

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live it.

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So is the hardest part picking which

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stories because you can't put a hundred

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stories on there is one of the hardest

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parts of that committee saying you're

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getting the nod this year.

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We're going to leave off to, you know,

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we're going to leave off some great.

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Yeah, it's tough picking it.

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And yeah.

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The exciting thing is we're in LAMP

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leadership,

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we're kicking off a new board

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certification and part of earning the

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certification is you have to put together

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one of these talks and we're naming them

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torch talks, you know, we're LAMP, get it?

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And so we're going to have a whole

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repository of these talks and we're going

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to be able to have more choice of

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who to put up there.

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We've had excellent people for ten years,

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but it's going to get a little harder

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now.

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And you've been recording all or most of

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these, right?

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They've been recorded at CSM on demand,

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but we have not been recording beyond

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that.

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We're going to start doing that through

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the recordings of the Torch Talks.

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These kids today,

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they don't know what a box set is,

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but I got to be honest,

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if you start recording,

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you could have a LAMP box set.

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I don't want to skip past this.

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My show touches a bunch of random people.

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I have no idea how you find me.

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Real quick,

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I don't want to make it a plug

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for LAMP, but plug LAMP.

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People might have heard of it or maybe

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never.

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What is LAMP?

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It's funny that we still call it CSM,

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Combined Section Meetings,

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because we are now all academies.

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And the Academy of Leadership and

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Innovation is our academy.

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You can be in academies that are all

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clinically driven.

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This is the academy for everything else.

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The Academy of Leadership and Innovation

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is where you go if you want to

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be part of the leadership committee or the

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management.

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LAMP is leadership and management

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together.

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It doesn't matter whether you have the

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title, the actual,

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we call it the big L title of

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director, manager, whatever,

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or if you are what we call the

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little L leader.

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Anyone in physical therapy, PTA, PT,

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you are a leader.

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You're asking patients to do some funny

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things.

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You're asking their families to do some

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funny things.

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You really are a leader.

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So we have curriculum for you.

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And then the other parts of the Academy

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of Leadership and Innovation are things

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like global health, PT Proud,

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the Technopalooza group is in there.

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So it's really all of those areas that

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aren't directly a specific clinical

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practice.

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So yeah,

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please go to our website and look at

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everything that's there.

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It's really a robust group of individuals

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that are very passionate about what we do.

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I got called,

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I got yelled at by someone.

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I won't say who, because I was like,

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it sounds like, and it's bad marketing,

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but it solves the answer, which is,

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it sounds like the junk drawer for PT.

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But the funny part about the junk drawer

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is that's where all the good stuff is.

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You can't, you need, you know,

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you've got the right tool.

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It's in that drawer.

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yeah junk drawer is not a great marketing

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term as a marketing guy would tell you

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don't use that but that's the vibe we'll

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figure out what it is all right so

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now we understand which academy uh this is

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gonna fall under for people who don't know

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uh i explain it it's one big circus

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with eighteen circuses underneath it

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you're one of the eighteen circuses who

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gets to play in this and i'm the

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ringleader

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You're the ringleader of that.

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You're the PT Barnum of the land.

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I like it.

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Circus in the circus of CSM,

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right down the street from Disney World,

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which is another circus with circuses in

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it.

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It's just all circuses all the way down.

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I love it.

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So I'm going to put you back in

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the green room.

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Thank you.

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We're going to bring you back at the

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end.

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But now it's time to,

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we're going to tease.

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We're going to give the movie trailer

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version of this.

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So Susan, we'll bring you right back.

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And let's bring in Lori.

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Lori, welcome to the podcast here.

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How are you doing?

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Thank you for having us.

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Let's get the nuts and bolts here.

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What's your superhero backstory?

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Just give me where in the profession you

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practice.

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Give us the back of the baseball card,

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the demographic.

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i need to be wearing my cape for

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that but my superhero backstory is that

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i'm not at all a superhero i started

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mpt many years ago i'm not going to

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divulge that but i actually was more

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interested in leadership i always saw

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patients but i was much more interested in

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building a team and leadership

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That's actually how I got involved with it

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was used to be HPA health policy and

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administration.

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And, you know,

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I belonged at the time to acute care

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and orthopedics and I was working in both

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things,

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but they didn't answer my questions.

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So this section at the time was,

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was more, you know,

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it gave me more than the other sections,

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the other that became academies that

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talked about the body or the facility you

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worked or the age of your patients.

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You know,

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I wanted to know how to deal with

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issues that were day to day from a

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leadership standpoint, you know.

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performance improvement issues and

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employee engagement and all of that.

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And so that's how I found HPA and

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we've evolved.

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Then we became the catalyst, which is,

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by the way, one of my favorite words.

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I'm in a doctoral program right now,

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and they asked about my teaching metaphor,

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and I said catalyst.

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That was the first thing that came to

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my mind.

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So I really like that.

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So I love your analogy of junk drawer,

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but I spend most of my time telling

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my husband where things are,

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and one of the things I have to

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do is tell him where they are in

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the junk drawer.

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So I would prefer something like

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incubator,

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somewhere where we're incubating ideas and

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all of that.

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And we've done that in terms of many

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people come to us

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to grow themselves like PT Proud,

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like Beyond Clinical and all that.

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And then they go on to do amazing

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things.

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And then I actually got laid off and

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ended up going from place to place,

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all in leadership,

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totally outside the realm of PT.

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The last thing I did was I ran

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an accountable care organization.

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That was very interesting.

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And I don't know why more PTs aren't

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involved in running health care

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organizations.

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And I like the fact that you went

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outside to hopefully bring some of that

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information back inside.

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So that's a snapshot.

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We can't tell everybody's complete story.

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But that we understand sort of a little

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bit about who you are.

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Now, what are we getting to?

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What do you get to stand on stage?

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Give us sort of the movie trailer version

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or, you know,

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this is the time to tease.

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This is the teaser.

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Lori, what do you got for us?

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Well,

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I love listening to people's stories.

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And that's, I think,

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what I liked and why I continued having

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a little hand in patient care.

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is I love to hear people's stories.

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And one of the things I think is

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sometimes what I would hear is the

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subjective is what they tell you and the

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objective is what you find.

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I don't see it that way at all.

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I think that patients have very objective

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things to tell us about their lived

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experiences.

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And those things have changed my life.

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They've stuck with me, as you've said.

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So I'm sharing some stories,

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starting with stories of people that I

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interviewed for my MPH,

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particularly a Navajo woman and her

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feelings about her diabetes,

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and then the people I interviewed for my

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qualitative experience.

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interviewing that I did,

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and then just also relating it to how

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we tell stories as leaders.

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There's a lot of leadership conferences

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and trainings where we present leaders as

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that superhero when we know they're not

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superheroes at all and we want to know

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more about them.

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And what are we doing as leaders?

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What kind of story are we sharing?

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And I guess what I like about all

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of that is, you know, we're scientists,

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so we're very based on the facts.

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But facts and truth are oftentimes

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repurposed for the benefit of the people

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who hold the power.

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And so I like the stories of people

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that we have maybe not heard in the

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history books and things like that.

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and what we maybe haven't heard from

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leaders, kind of their backstories.

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So it's a very brief, you know,

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it's brief.

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I'm going to try not to talk too

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long,

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but those are the things that I want

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to share my experiences and how they

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changed my life.

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Perfect.

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Excellent.

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Who's the right person to be in the

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room for your talk?

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I'm going to ask this to all six

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guests that I talked to today.

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Who's the right, who were,

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who were you hoping was in the audience?

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That actually not just people who are the

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big L leaders,

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but the I actually think anybody because I

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think the way we interact with patients,

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if you're a therapist who has a small

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practice or you're on staff in some place.

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healthcare organization,

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I think that you have the opportunity to

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really listen to lived experiences and

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guide your practice that way.

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So I wouldn't say there's anyone,

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I hope there's no one that this wouldn't

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be useful for.

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But I do think it may be interesting

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to leaders,

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people who have been out for a while,

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who maybe have listened to a

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Hopefully there will be leaders in the

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room for that.

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Um, but I think anyone,

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I really think anyone would be interested.

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I would hope they'd be interested.

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The last thing I'm going to say is

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we have,

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we spend a lot of time with patients.

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I mean,

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we all know what it's like to be

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a primary care physician and you just get

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like five seconds.

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We still spend a lot of time with

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people.

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And so we really have a moment to

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hear what's really going on in their lives

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and it can affect.

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how we,

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it affected me when I heard the stories,

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how I decided to guide my practice.

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Perfect.

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All right.

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I'm going to put you back in the

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green room and I'm going to bring in

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our next guest, the next, uh, Ted style,

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uh, speaker, Jennifer Green Wilson,

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Jennifer, uh, welcome.

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Congrats.

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Can't wait.

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Uh, just for context for everybody,

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what's your superhero backstory sort of

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paint a picture for us.

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Okay.

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So I actually am a Canadian trained

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physiotherapist,

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but I've practiced my

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whole professional life in the United

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States.

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And, uh, my, uh,

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probably biggest thing I would say that

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I'm really proud of is I'm a

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transformational leader and I had the

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opportunity, the pleasure to actually, uh,

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develop our initial, uh,

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lamp leadership curriculum way back when.

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And so I'm just so thrilled to be

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back actively involved with this team of

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superheroes.

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So, uh,

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I don't want to skip past a term

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cause you brought something up that I've

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heard before,

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but I don't know if I'd be able

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to define it.

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I don't need, you know,

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the Webster's dictionary.

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How would you describe a transformational

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leader?

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What does that mean?

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Why was that different than a leader?

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So a transformational leader is someone

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who is absolutely passionate about

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change and innovation and how you can

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transform is it's all hands on deck.

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And so the leader,

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the person who's inspiring the masses

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facilitates the process in such a way that

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people who are also leading the followers

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are growing and developing,

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developing at the same time that the

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person who's facilitating and leading.

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So everybody is growing and everybody is

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changing and change happens.

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It's really exciting to see.

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They sound like a fun person to work

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with or for or around.

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That sounds like, I mean,

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I'm listening to this going,

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show me one of those.

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I'll work with you.

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Like that sounds like a thing to do.

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Yeah.

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So Jimmy,

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I'll tell you a small story that I

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had the chance to

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experience, transformational leadership.

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And I actually learned about

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transformational leadership from physical

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therapy students.

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And when I changed how I facilitated their

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learning experience,

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they became more fully engaged and most

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dreaded.

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So I taught the business of physical

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therapy class.

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So the most dreaded class became their

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most exciting class.

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How'd you do that?

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Well,

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that is another talk that we can have.

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I always even want more.

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We call that a front tease in radio.

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I'll give you a little kudos being

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involved with LAMP.

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I've been in this profession for ten years

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since I graduated,

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obviously three years before that.

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I don't think I've ever heard anybody not

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speak highly of LAMP.

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Every time it gets brought up in a

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happy hour or on a stage,

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people are always selling LAMP,

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and they're not even –

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not leader they're not selling it they're

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like i went through this you should do

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this like they're really just telling

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people to come along with them so kudos

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yeah and so i think it's really important

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to honor our past honor our present and

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honor our future because we've had so many

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people over so many years decades that

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have contributed to this space in this

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conversation and so i think you know we've

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been able to make some of these things

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come alive

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and really powerful because of the

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foundation that we've had.

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And so, you know, I just,

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I think we need to acknowledge everybody

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who's being part of this and now Academy.

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All right.

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So give us a little front tease.

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What are we taught?

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What do you get to talk about this

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year at CSM when we go to the

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left coast?

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So, um, I'm going to talk about,

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it's all about passion and,

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That's what leadership is to me at this

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point.

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And I also want to thank the team

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that this is going to be my first

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TED style talk that I've given,

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although I've been involved in LAMP

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leadership for almost two decades.

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So I'm really, really,

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really thrilled to be part of the team.

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And so I have a few things,

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maybe three things that I'd like to share.

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So we all have those tap on the

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shoulder moments when doors and windows

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open.

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And we don't know why they're there.

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And we don't know why we're really being

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tapped on the shoulder.

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But if we pay attention and listen to

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those and go through the doors or climb

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through the windows,

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our journeys and our paths can take us

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in ways,

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in directions that we never thought that

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we could or should.

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And so part of that experience,

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especially with discovering sort of this

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personal leadership, self-leadership,

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So it really, the messages,

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all of us in physical therapy can display

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our leadership and we can lead wherever we

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are at any moment in time.

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And we need that.

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There's such a call for that in healthcare

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at this point.

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And what I discovered was having the

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opportunity to reframe leadership as

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personal leadership, self-leadership,

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meaning all of us can do that,

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be that.

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That's where I found my passion.

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And so I've spent, as I mentioned,

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almost two decades pounding the pavement,

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trying to really build the passion in

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others for this idea and this concept.

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And change requires leadership.

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So going back to transformational

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leadership,

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if we spark leadership at all levels,

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then we can be more influential in

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facilitating that change.

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And so passion,

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the last thing I will say is passion

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is an emotion and emotional intelligence

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is a big part of leadership.

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And so it was so great to be

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able to really hone in on our passion

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and our emotions.

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And that's the fuel that inspires us to

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lead that change.

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Drop the mic, walk off stage, right?

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I'll give you the last thing I'm asking

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each guest.

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Who are the types of people that you

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hope are in the audience?

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And it could be a demographic answer,

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a psychographic.

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Who are you hoping, right?

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Because a lot of these talks,

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I always say, get your flowers,

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get on stage.

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You'll stand there above your colleagues

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for your fifteen minutes of fame.

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I don't know anybody who does that without

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thinking,

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I hope someone steals these ideas or these

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motions and goes and does things.

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Who do you hope is in the audience

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while you're talking?

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Absolutely everyone,

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and that includes our students.

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I know we have thousands of students that

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come to CSM,

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and we absolutely want to make sure that

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students feel welcome and they're included

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because they're just beginning.

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their leadership journeys,

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and we absolutely need them in order to

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push our profession even further.

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Excellent.

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All right, Jennifer,

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go back to the green room.

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We'll talk to you in just a little

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bit.

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We bring on no stranger to the show

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back.

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I don't know,

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half a dozen times on the program.

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Sean Bagney.

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Sean, welcome back, man.

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Thank you.

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Are you talking to me yet?

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No,

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because you always have something good to

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say.

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But I'm going to ask you just reframe

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for the audience what you get to do

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in this pretty cool profession of ours,

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just like your superhero.

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Yeah, there is no superhero.

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But what I get to do is I

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get to help found a company called

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Rehabilitation Performance Institute.

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We have fifteen outpatient physical

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therapy clinics now in the Midwest,

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Indiana, Kentucky and Illinois.

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And we're founded on the fact that health

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care sucks and physical therapy can be the

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change.

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And so that's been my journey.

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And my journey has been don't accept

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status quo and don't accept what other

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people tell you and find your way.

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And that's what I want to talk about

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during my TED talk.

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Is that your talk?

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I mean, you've been physically, you know,

00:22:46.844 --> 00:22:48.204
healthcare sucks and we can fix it.

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Hopefully it's healthcare sucks and this

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is what we can do about it, right?

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What are we looking at?

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Yeah, well,

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it's actually more about the personal

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aspect of what my journey has been.

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Like how I've had to evolve from being

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a...

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someone that enjoyed just taking on every

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aspect of patient care and excited at that

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to really like how we make change on

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a grander stage by no longer doing that

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one-on-one,

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but multiplication and coaching and how

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much harder of a journey that is,

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but how much more rewarding it is when

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we're able to multiply our effect.

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Love that.

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Uh, who,

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since you went so quick through these two

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questions,

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I want to give you a little extra

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time, right?

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Who do you hope the audience and what

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do you hope they do?

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Like what would,

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let me ask you this different way.

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Who do you hope is in the audience

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and what would success look like to you

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a year, three,

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five from now hearing back from those

00:23:46.459 --> 00:23:49.160
people who are in the audience?

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Yeah.

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So who I want in the audience are

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PTAs and VTAs that are passionate about

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like

00:23:55.415 --> 00:23:57.096
making a change in what we do as

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a profession,

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but might not be comfortable in taking on

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that responsibility themselves.

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As we start doing that,

00:24:06.564 --> 00:24:08.384
that's how we become better.

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We have such a connection with our

00:24:12.307 --> 00:24:14.769
patients and our ability to make them

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better.

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And we do a really crappy job of

00:24:18.152 --> 00:24:20.913
taking the accolades for that.

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I want people to understand, like,

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We can change lives.

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We can be the musculoskeletal experts in

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the communities and we can take on that

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responsibility, but it's a responsibility.

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So we have to do that.

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And part of that is being true to

00:24:36.483 --> 00:24:37.084
ourselves and,

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and making sure that we are expanding

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that.

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And so the more PTs and PTAs that

00:24:42.487 --> 00:24:44.347
are willing to take on that risk of

00:24:44.407 --> 00:24:47.589
like being audacious in their career.

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And it doesn't mean you have to be

00:24:48.650 --> 00:24:48.951
an owner.

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It means you're willing to own your

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career, people that will take that on.

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Success for me is seeing more of those

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three to five years,

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people who are willing to fight insurance

00:24:58.835 --> 00:24:59.255
companies,

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people who are willing to not accept that

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I need to see seventy four patients in

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a day because, you know,

00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:07.800
we need to do two hundred percent

00:25:07.840 --> 00:25:08.381
productivity.

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Sure.

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But caring for what you do and doing

00:25:13.503 --> 00:25:14.484
what you're passionate about.

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were really close because you know this

00:25:16.711 --> 00:25:18.632
csm is going to be next to disneyland

00:25:18.912 --> 00:25:21.633
in california and you said with great

00:25:21.673 --> 00:25:23.374
responsibility and i was ready for like

00:25:23.574 --> 00:25:24.994
you drop a spider-man line right with

00:25:25.035 --> 00:25:26.055
great power comes with great

00:25:26.174 --> 00:25:28.195
responsibility and i was waiting for that

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to come up you know um that's a

00:25:30.696 --> 00:25:33.117
great great thing and i will drop this

00:25:33.178 --> 00:25:35.238
one little thing there will be a quote

00:25:36.118 --> 00:25:39.819
in mine from uh when i think the

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best writers all time lynn manuel

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Miranda.

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And so you'll just have to hear that.

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All right.

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All right.

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Back to the green room.

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We'll bring you back for your parting shot

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in just a little bit.

00:25:51.509 --> 00:25:51.990
John Corcoran.

00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:53.609
John, welcome to the podcast.

00:25:54.290 --> 00:25:55.432
Thanks, Jimmy.

00:25:55.471 --> 00:25:56.291
Let's set the stage.

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How do you describe if someone were to

00:25:57.972 --> 00:25:58.553
say, hey, you know,

00:25:58.973 --> 00:26:00.173
where where are you from?

00:26:00.253 --> 00:26:01.755
Not geographically necessarily,

00:26:01.795 --> 00:26:02.875
but from this profession.

00:26:03.256 --> 00:26:04.156
What's your what's your back of the

00:26:04.176 --> 00:26:05.076
baseball card look like?

00:26:05.478 --> 00:26:06.897
Yeah, I started.

00:26:06.917 --> 00:26:07.798
Excuse me.

00:26:07.858 --> 00:26:10.340
I started as a musician before I became

00:26:10.381 --> 00:26:10.681
a P.T.,

00:26:11.618 --> 00:26:14.821
you play i played drums mostly and i

00:26:15.301 --> 00:26:17.403
uh when i was on stage as drums

00:26:17.423 --> 00:26:19.625
but i wrote songs guitar and i still

00:26:19.665 --> 00:26:21.867
do it as a hobby heck yeah i

00:26:21.887 --> 00:26:23.328
just couldn't make it as a living but

00:26:23.568 --> 00:26:25.810
it was such a great um time in

00:26:25.830 --> 00:26:27.492
my life so i still do it as

00:26:27.512 --> 00:26:32.017
a hobby excellent my plan b uh pt

00:26:32.076 --> 00:26:33.718
and and you know it turned out to

00:26:33.758 --> 00:26:36.519
be an amazing plan b i'm now gone

00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:38.281
through every profession

00:26:39.729 --> 00:26:40.950
every job in PT,

00:26:40.970 --> 00:26:43.211
and now I'm the director of rehab at

00:26:43.352 --> 00:26:44.913
NYU Rusk Rehabilitation.

00:26:45.614 --> 00:26:47.234
So it's been a long journey from a

00:26:47.775 --> 00:26:50.916
homeless musician to now the director of a

00:26:50.936 --> 00:26:52.739
large academic program,

00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.821
which was really a fun journey.

00:26:56.842 --> 00:26:58.021
And I think in a lot of the

00:26:58.041 --> 00:26:59.804
TED Talks, I talked about that.

00:27:00.023 --> 00:27:01.944
I've done them literally ten years.

00:27:01.984 --> 00:27:03.125
I know it's a ten-year mark.

00:27:03.961 --> 00:27:05.082
And I've done it ten times,

00:27:05.122 --> 00:27:06.482
and one of the talks I gave was,

00:27:06.502 --> 00:27:07.303
you know,

00:27:07.343 --> 00:27:09.623
some of the things as a musician that

00:27:09.682 --> 00:27:10.864
I see in PT.

00:27:10.884 --> 00:27:11.344
You know,

00:27:11.364 --> 00:27:12.663
you wouldn't think there's a lot of

00:27:13.703 --> 00:27:14.403
overlap there,

00:27:14.423 --> 00:27:17.565
but definitely some things I learned from

00:27:18.164 --> 00:27:21.425
different careers that do carry over.

00:27:22.046 --> 00:27:22.425
Yeah.

00:27:22.486 --> 00:27:23.865
Oh, you're just down the Hudson from me,

00:27:24.086 --> 00:27:25.646
and I'm up near West Point.

00:27:26.811 --> 00:27:29.034
So what's a lesson, what's a,

00:27:29.554 --> 00:27:32.676
an approach because you are a musician,

00:27:32.737 --> 00:27:34.557
whether you're doing that for a living,

00:27:34.597 --> 00:27:35.959
you can't, you know,

00:27:35.979 --> 00:27:37.760
you can take the guy out of the

00:27:37.780 --> 00:27:39.001
club or off the stage,

00:27:39.041 --> 00:27:41.103
but you can't change that mentality.

00:27:41.804 --> 00:27:42.765
So what are,

00:27:42.785 --> 00:27:44.605
what is a lesson or a skillset or

00:27:44.705 --> 00:27:46.267
a lens that you look at the world,

00:27:46.307 --> 00:27:48.128
no matter where you are from that

00:27:48.148 --> 00:27:48.608
background?

00:27:48.628 --> 00:27:50.351
You know, I,

00:27:50.431 --> 00:27:51.711
a lot of it to me, you know,

00:27:51.731 --> 00:27:53.353
everyone talks about active listening.

00:27:54.118 --> 00:27:55.920
And I think one of the reasons I've

00:27:56.180 --> 00:27:59.461
been successful in leadership is literally

00:27:59.641 --> 00:28:01.821
learning and knowing before I got into the

00:28:01.842 --> 00:28:03.541
profession how to listen.

00:28:04.001 --> 00:28:06.042
Not just the music, but, you know,

00:28:06.083 --> 00:28:08.243
listen to different parts of instruments,

00:28:08.344 --> 00:28:09.804
different arrangements.

00:28:10.345 --> 00:28:11.865
And I think, you know,

00:28:11.884 --> 00:28:12.925
when you connect with a patient,

00:28:12.945 --> 00:28:14.185
they could tell if you're listening.

00:28:15.071 --> 00:28:16.333
when you connect with your colleagues they

00:28:16.353 --> 00:28:17.854
can tell if you're really listening or

00:28:17.874 --> 00:28:20.055
you're off somewhere else and having that

00:28:20.115 --> 00:28:22.636
focus to really i think too to get

00:28:22.856 --> 00:28:25.038
really professional and an expert in an

00:28:25.159 --> 00:28:26.579
instrument you really got to learn to

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.520
focus and a lot of people have trouble

00:28:28.540 --> 00:28:30.622
with that i i don't that's one i

00:28:30.642 --> 00:28:32.463
mean i have other other challenges like we

00:28:32.503 --> 00:28:34.224
all do but i can focus i can

00:28:34.305 --> 00:28:37.586
listen and patients and staff and my own

00:28:37.626 --> 00:28:40.128
staff i really feel they appreciate that

00:28:40.768 --> 00:28:41.008
Yeah.

00:28:41.028 --> 00:28:43.249
Why are these soft skills so damn hard?

00:28:43.348 --> 00:28:44.269
It's because they're skills.

00:28:44.369 --> 00:28:46.371
And if you don't work on them,

00:28:47.310 --> 00:28:48.811
they atrophy or you don't develop them

00:28:48.872 --> 00:28:49.071
ever.

00:28:49.112 --> 00:28:52.413
And if you do, magically, they get better.

00:28:52.453 --> 00:28:56.615
And a lot of things get simpler,

00:28:56.635 --> 00:28:57.195
not easier,

00:28:57.276 --> 00:29:00.076
simpler if communication is a skill or

00:29:00.096 --> 00:29:00.837
it's not a barrier.

00:29:01.397 --> 00:29:01.998
Absolutely.

00:29:02.798 --> 00:29:03.259
Yeah.

00:29:03.318 --> 00:29:03.519
All right.

00:29:03.538 --> 00:29:04.920
So what are you talking about this year?

00:29:04.940 --> 00:29:06.861
You're no stranger to this style of talk.

00:29:06.921 --> 00:29:07.621
What's the preview?

00:29:08.217 --> 00:29:10.298
The preview is the title of the talk

00:29:10.358 --> 00:29:12.859
is Survival, Life, and Leadership,

00:29:12.901 --> 00:29:14.761
which is this dramatic title,

00:29:15.162 --> 00:29:16.583
but it's really three parts.

00:29:16.742 --> 00:29:17.683
So survival,

00:29:18.404 --> 00:29:20.786
I talk about when I was a brand

00:29:20.806 --> 00:29:21.487
new PT,

00:29:21.846 --> 00:29:23.268
I was working during September

00:29:24.449 --> 00:29:27.352
And that was a very catastrophic time in

00:29:27.412 --> 00:29:29.515
our country and working in a clinic where

00:29:29.535 --> 00:29:32.458
we saw some survivors, a few survivors.

00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.241
Then also survivorship in terms of

00:29:36.261 --> 00:29:37.222
Hurricane Sandy,

00:29:37.242 --> 00:29:40.425
which came to the same medical center,

00:29:40.465 --> 00:29:41.166
working through that.

00:29:41.186 --> 00:29:42.607
That's a different style of leadership,

00:29:42.667 --> 00:29:44.750
working during catastrophic times.

00:29:46.086 --> 00:29:47.948
The second part of the talk has to

00:29:47.988 --> 00:29:49.969
do with life lessons.

00:29:50.690 --> 00:29:53.111
And working in an academic medical center,

00:29:53.131 --> 00:29:55.093
I've been privileged to work with some

00:29:55.192 --> 00:29:57.574
really, really interesting patients.

00:29:57.614 --> 00:29:58.755
Like, for example,

00:30:00.777 --> 00:30:03.759
twice I had separated conjoined twins that

00:30:03.798 --> 00:30:04.398
I work with.

00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:06.220
And what I learned,

00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:09.162
they both survived the surgery.

00:30:09.403 --> 00:30:11.084
And what I learned from them and their

00:30:11.124 --> 00:30:11.443
journey

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.260
I talk a little bit about that.

00:30:13.780 --> 00:30:16.083
And then the last part, leadership.

00:30:17.084 --> 00:30:19.346
I've had many great mentors over the

00:30:19.385 --> 00:30:19.746
years,

00:30:20.507 --> 00:30:22.127
and some of the lessons that they've

00:30:22.167 --> 00:30:25.590
provided me have really transformed me

00:30:26.131 --> 00:30:27.972
both at work but outside,

00:30:28.053 --> 00:30:29.153
also my personal life.

00:30:29.193 --> 00:30:31.715
So I bring in a few anecdotes from

00:30:32.636 --> 00:30:32.876
that.

00:30:33.632 --> 00:30:33.951
Perfect.

00:30:33.971 --> 00:30:34.251
All right.

00:30:34.332 --> 00:30:35.592
And you've heard me ask the other guests

00:30:35.652 --> 00:30:35.811
too,

00:30:36.432 --> 00:30:37.813
who do you hope is in the audience?

00:30:37.833 --> 00:30:38.173
But really,

00:30:38.192 --> 00:30:39.472
I think I got better at asking the

00:30:39.492 --> 00:30:41.253
question, the more I asked, which is like,

00:30:41.273 --> 00:30:42.013
you know, who do you hope is there,

00:30:42.034 --> 00:30:42.594
but also like,

00:30:42.614 --> 00:30:44.614
what do you hope you hear about a

00:30:44.854 --> 00:30:46.394
year, three, five years later?

00:30:46.974 --> 00:30:47.555
You know,

00:30:47.595 --> 00:30:49.414
I would love to have a lot of

00:30:49.515 --> 00:30:50.276
students in there.

00:30:50.316 --> 00:30:51.695
And we tend to do at CSM,

00:30:51.776 --> 00:30:54.737
you know, coming from a music background,

00:30:54.997 --> 00:30:55.957
I'm not really proud of this,

00:30:55.977 --> 00:30:57.396
but I almost, you know,

00:30:57.436 --> 00:30:59.377
college wasn't really something I was

00:30:59.657 --> 00:31:00.298
going to do.

00:31:00.357 --> 00:31:01.538
And I I'm glad I did.

00:31:02.625 --> 00:31:04.105
having students there and saying, listen,

00:31:04.125 --> 00:31:05.405
if I can do this, you can,

00:31:05.826 --> 00:31:05.986
you know,

00:31:06.006 --> 00:31:07.546
if you're interested in this and you want

00:31:07.566 --> 00:31:08.486
to get into leadership,

00:31:08.806 --> 00:31:10.166
here's a guy who is, you know,

00:31:10.567 --> 00:31:12.666
driving around the country in a van with

00:31:12.747 --> 00:31:15.048
a band, you know, and now, um,

00:31:15.587 --> 00:31:15.827
you know,

00:31:15.887 --> 00:31:17.388
if you really want to get the leadership,

00:31:17.689 --> 00:31:18.469
I'm not, you know,

00:31:18.528 --> 00:31:20.269
that normal trajectory of it,

00:31:20.308 --> 00:31:21.569
but you can do it.

00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:23.250
And I think I can help students.

00:31:23.762 --> 00:31:26.028
who do have an interest in leadership from

00:31:26.067 --> 00:31:28.374
maybe a non-traditional pathway into it.

00:31:28.835 --> 00:31:32.363
I'd love to see that and talk to

00:31:32.403 --> 00:31:33.105
people like that.

00:31:33.492 --> 00:31:35.473
There's a lot more people than you think

00:31:35.534 --> 00:31:36.535
coming to this profession

00:31:36.595 --> 00:31:37.454
non-traditionally.

00:31:37.494 --> 00:31:38.596
I know we all, I mean, look,

00:31:38.756 --> 00:31:40.156
John and I, we're wearing the ties, man.

00:31:40.176 --> 00:31:41.057
We look all straight laced,

00:31:41.077 --> 00:31:42.357
but this guy's over here banging on the

00:31:42.397 --> 00:31:44.279
drums like in a former life, right?

00:31:44.339 --> 00:31:46.161
I was pushing play and talking into a

00:31:46.221 --> 00:31:48.442
microphone and you can learn a lot from

00:31:48.501 --> 00:31:49.262
those things.

00:31:49.343 --> 00:31:51.223
This is the different things that you

00:31:51.243 --> 00:31:52.704
didn't know could be valuable.

00:31:52.805 --> 00:31:53.085
All right, John,

00:31:53.105 --> 00:31:53.964
I'm gonna put you back in the green

00:31:53.984 --> 00:31:54.086
room.

00:31:54.105 --> 00:31:55.526
We'll bring you back for your parting

00:31:55.546 --> 00:31:55.906
shot.

00:31:56.346 --> 00:31:57.528
No stranger to the show.

00:31:58.167 --> 00:31:59.868
Kristen Walls, there she is.

00:32:00.548 --> 00:32:02.269
Pivoting to the cell phone there, I see.

00:32:02.328 --> 00:32:03.549
Yeah, we had a little connection problem.

00:32:03.589 --> 00:32:04.990
Hi, Jimmy.

00:32:05.009 --> 00:32:06.250
I can't hear anything right now.

00:32:07.090 --> 00:32:07.931
Can't hear anything right now?

00:32:07.951 --> 00:32:08.510
All right.

00:32:08.550 --> 00:32:09.111
Well,

00:32:09.131 --> 00:32:11.412
Kristen comes to us because she's taught

00:32:11.471 --> 00:32:12.231
and led LAMP.

00:32:12.332 --> 00:32:13.492
I'll put you back in the green room,

00:32:13.532 --> 00:32:14.333
bring back Susan.

00:32:14.593 --> 00:32:16.452
Susan, this is called pivoting in LAMP.

00:32:16.472 --> 00:32:17.693
All right.

00:32:19.233 --> 00:32:20.335
What's Kristen's background?

00:32:20.355 --> 00:32:21.035
Do you know it?

00:32:21.055 --> 00:32:22.075
What do you know about Kristen's

00:32:22.095 --> 00:32:22.295
background?

00:32:22.315 --> 00:32:22.555
Oh, my gosh.

00:32:22.575 --> 00:32:25.236
Kristen is absolutely amazing.

00:32:25.722 --> 00:32:27.604
She is a physical therapist,

00:32:27.723 --> 00:32:29.825
worked with the OSU athletes.

00:32:30.305 --> 00:32:31.365
And I'm not going to say the word

00:32:31.505 --> 00:32:33.185
the in front of it, you know,

00:32:33.226 --> 00:32:36.567
because in the Big Ten around here,

00:32:36.606 --> 00:32:38.607
we say go Hoosiers and Boiler Up.

00:32:38.627 --> 00:32:38.708
Yeah.

00:32:38.728 --> 00:32:41.368
Congratulations, by the way.

00:32:41.828 --> 00:32:42.108
I know.

00:32:42.229 --> 00:32:42.509
Right.

00:32:42.548 --> 00:32:44.910
But I'm more of a Boilermaker.

00:32:45.230 --> 00:32:48.270
All right.

00:32:48.290 --> 00:32:49.191
So what do we want to talk about

00:32:49.211 --> 00:32:50.251
in terms of Kristen's talk?

00:32:50.551 --> 00:32:51.852
So Kristen, you know,

00:32:51.951 --> 00:32:53.313
I don't know what Kristen's talk is.

00:32:53.751 --> 00:32:57.473
I know Kristen has made several career

00:32:57.493 --> 00:32:59.555
moves from working with athletes to

00:32:59.595 --> 00:33:01.557
working in the clinic to running a clinic.

00:33:01.576 --> 00:33:06.398
She built an amazing performance center.

00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.421
She decided to pivot because she has two

00:33:09.461 --> 00:33:11.563
young, amazing, gorgeous girls.

00:33:12.182 --> 00:33:14.263
And so she pivoted to a whole different

00:33:14.384 --> 00:33:16.945
area of health care to be at home.

00:33:17.086 --> 00:33:19.446
And she does utilization review for

00:33:19.826 --> 00:33:20.708
insurance companies.

00:33:21.172 --> 00:33:23.333
which if someone's gonna review my chart

00:33:23.492 --> 00:33:24.613
and say how many visits I get,

00:33:24.873 --> 00:33:25.893
I want it to be Kristen.

00:33:27.153 --> 00:33:28.574
Oh, maybe she's coming back.

00:33:28.794 --> 00:33:29.834
Can you hear us now, Kristen?

00:33:29.854 --> 00:33:31.335
I can hear you.

00:33:32.474 --> 00:33:33.674
Could you hear everything I said?

00:33:33.714 --> 00:33:34.654
Was that pretty spot on?

00:33:34.674 --> 00:33:34.895
All right,

00:33:35.776 --> 00:33:36.875
I think we're a little bit delayed,

00:33:36.895 --> 00:33:38.957
but that's okay.

00:33:38.997 --> 00:33:39.336
Kristen,

00:33:39.356 --> 00:33:40.876
just give people the back of the baseball

00:33:40.916 --> 00:33:42.257
card, frame them up.

00:33:42.297 --> 00:33:43.117
Who do you get to be?

00:33:43.157 --> 00:33:46.999
Who are you in this profession?

00:33:47.098 --> 00:33:47.878
I can't hear you.

00:33:49.161 --> 00:33:50.942
right well story of my life me talking

00:33:50.961 --> 00:33:52.442
and people not listening or not being able

00:33:52.461 --> 00:33:53.482
to hear me that's just really what it

00:33:53.502 --> 00:33:55.002
looks like all right let's bring all the

00:33:55.042 --> 00:33:57.304
guests back on and we'll go to green

00:33:57.344 --> 00:33:59.045
room this is called the pivot in uh

00:33:59.125 --> 00:34:02.246
in radio uh so parting shot uh we

00:34:02.286 --> 00:34:03.866
say parting shots brought to you by u.s

00:34:03.906 --> 00:34:05.647
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00:34:05.688 --> 00:34:07.748
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00:34:07.788 --> 00:34:09.728
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00:34:09.768 --> 00:34:11.269
tracks mentorship career growth

00:34:11.750 --> 00:34:13.471
and the stability to build your future in

00:34:13.490 --> 00:34:13.972
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If you want a place that supports you

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and how you want to practice, that's USPH.

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Find them at USPH.com.

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That's USPH.com.

00:34:21.157 --> 00:34:22.458
See how we just slipped the live reading

00:34:22.617 --> 00:34:23.518
in there as we're pivoting?

00:34:23.958 --> 00:34:25.199
Kristen, if you can hear us,

00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:26.400
give us a thumbs up.

00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:28.141
If not, we'll pivot to everybody else.

00:34:29.623 --> 00:34:31.224
Lori, let's go to your parting shot.

00:34:31.264 --> 00:34:32.885
What's the last thing you'd want the

00:34:33.005 --> 00:34:36.007
audience to leave thinking about?

00:34:36.027 --> 00:34:36.367
I can't.

00:34:36.487 --> 00:34:36.568
Yay!

00:34:42.096 --> 00:34:42.416
You know,

00:34:42.496 --> 00:34:44.538
I use a few quotes and one is

00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:46.280
psychologist Vivian Brewer.

00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.501
And she said that when people talk,

00:34:48.942 --> 00:34:50.603
the world gets constructed.

00:34:50.643 --> 00:34:51.483
And that's what we do.

00:34:51.543 --> 00:34:52.925
We talk with our patients,

00:34:52.965 --> 00:34:54.246
we talk with our team,

00:34:54.646 --> 00:34:56.128
we talk with other leaders.

00:34:56.588 --> 00:34:57.949
And I want everybody,

00:34:58.269 --> 00:35:01.172
students and people who work in clinical

00:35:01.192 --> 00:35:03.153
practice and leaders at different

00:35:03.875 --> 00:35:04.594
positions,

00:35:05.235 --> 00:35:07.257
just to understand they have a huge

00:35:07.438 --> 00:35:08.318
opportunity

00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.942
to with others construct the world that

00:35:11.981 --> 00:35:13.483
they want to see together.

00:35:14.423 --> 00:35:14.844
Love that.

00:35:14.963 --> 00:35:16.244
Good parting shot.

00:35:17.306 --> 00:35:17.686
Jennifer,

00:35:17.706 --> 00:35:18.907
we'll go parting shot next with you.

00:35:18.927 --> 00:35:19.849
What do you want to leave with the

00:35:19.889 --> 00:35:20.309
audience?

00:35:21.010 --> 00:35:23.351
So I just want you to know that

00:35:23.572 --> 00:35:26.815
feeling passionate is fun.

00:35:27.635 --> 00:35:31.518
And I really want to help everybody or

00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.922
to ask them what their passion is,

00:35:34.961 --> 00:35:36.182
what they're passionate about.

00:35:36.811 --> 00:35:39.612
and really feel that and let that guide

00:35:39.652 --> 00:35:43.213
you in your professional leadership

00:35:43.293 --> 00:35:43.614
journey.

00:35:44.494 --> 00:35:45.014
Love it.

00:35:45.034 --> 00:35:46.315
Sean, you've done this before.

00:35:46.454 --> 00:35:47.735
No stranger to the parting shot.

00:35:47.755 --> 00:35:48.476
What do you want to leave with you?

00:35:48.496 --> 00:35:49.536
What's your mic drop moment?

00:35:51.556 --> 00:35:53.356
This is an opportunity for people to hear

00:35:53.416 --> 00:35:56.117
the stories of so many people that have

00:35:56.157 --> 00:35:57.498
affected the profession of physical

00:35:57.518 --> 00:35:57.938
therapy.

00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:01.880
And it's not an instantaneous moment

00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:02.480
you're looking at.

00:36:03.061 --> 00:36:04.081
This is generational.

00:36:04.625 --> 00:36:05.905
And we need people to take up the

00:36:05.925 --> 00:36:08.306
next generation and leave this profession

00:36:08.327 --> 00:36:10.108
where it needs to go.

00:36:10.168 --> 00:36:12.570
That with the voice and the beard sounds

00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:13.451
very serious.

00:36:13.510 --> 00:36:13.851
Good.

00:36:13.931 --> 00:36:14.391
All right, John,

00:36:14.411 --> 00:36:15.311
all the way from New York City,

00:36:15.331 --> 00:36:16.353
what's your parting shot today?

00:36:16.893 --> 00:36:19.775
Parting shot is these skills can be

00:36:19.835 --> 00:36:20.175
learned.

00:36:20.476 --> 00:36:22.257
A lot of people feel leadership is

00:36:22.317 --> 00:36:23.938
something people have or you don't.

00:36:24.706 --> 00:36:25.266
But guess what?

00:36:25.327 --> 00:36:27.327
You can learn it and you should come,

00:36:27.347 --> 00:36:29.367
get involved with LAMP, come to the talk.

00:36:30.007 --> 00:36:31.987
We're going to teach and we're also

00:36:32.027 --> 00:36:33.449
available to help you.

00:36:33.949 --> 00:36:35.768
Many students come out unprepared for

00:36:35.809 --> 00:36:37.248
leadership until recently.

00:36:38.449 --> 00:36:39.849
Jennifer's course,

00:36:40.190 --> 00:36:41.510
most students are scared of this,

00:36:41.969 --> 00:36:43.911
but we can help you and you can

00:36:43.951 --> 00:36:44.271
learn it.

00:36:45.490 --> 00:36:46.090
All right, Kristen,

00:36:46.110 --> 00:36:47.630
do we have the audio back together?

00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:49.592
How's that looking?

00:36:49.692 --> 00:36:50.291
I think so.

00:36:50.391 --> 00:36:50.992
Can you hear me?

00:36:51.971 --> 00:36:53.110
A little bit, you're a little delayed.

00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:53.492
Kristen,

00:36:53.512 --> 00:36:56.152
give people context real quick about who

00:36:56.172 --> 00:36:57.233
you are in the profession.

00:36:58.652 --> 00:36:59.092
Okay.

00:36:59.693 --> 00:37:00.934
I'm Kristen Walls.

00:37:01.534 --> 00:37:03.914
My background is I'm a residency trained

00:37:03.934 --> 00:37:04.755
sports PT,

00:37:05.115 --> 00:37:06.755
worked in collegiate athletics and

00:37:06.815 --> 00:37:07.976
outpatient ortho,

00:37:08.436 --> 00:37:10.597
and have now found my way into kind

00:37:10.657 --> 00:37:12.777
of non-clinical work on the utilization

00:37:12.838 --> 00:37:13.257
side.

00:37:15.018 --> 00:37:15.219
Yeah.

00:37:15.318 --> 00:37:17.480
And then I'm active in my state chapter

00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:18.059
in Ohio.

00:37:18.786 --> 00:37:20.487
And within the Academy of Leadership and

00:37:20.527 --> 00:37:22.128
Innovation with LAMP leadership,

00:37:22.507 --> 00:37:26.409
I'm also the education chair for the

00:37:26.429 --> 00:37:26.851
Academy.

00:37:26.911 --> 00:37:27.971
All right.

00:37:28.010 --> 00:37:29.092
What are you jumping on stage?

00:37:29.132 --> 00:37:29.871
What's the story?

00:37:29.952 --> 00:37:31.293
Here's your chance to sort of tease

00:37:31.353 --> 00:37:33.173
forward and put butts in seats coming up.

00:37:33.213 --> 00:37:35.175
And I'll give the details about when the

00:37:35.215 --> 00:37:36.135
session is all that.

00:37:36.175 --> 00:37:37.336
Focus on the story.

00:37:39.518 --> 00:37:40.117
Sure.

00:37:40.177 --> 00:37:40.318
Well,

00:37:40.338 --> 00:37:42.360
first I want to say congratulations on

00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.960
being the recipient of our LAMP Lighter

00:37:45.061 --> 00:37:47.422
Award for twenty twenty five, Jimmy.

00:37:47.483 --> 00:37:48.063
Big deal.

00:37:49.563 --> 00:37:51.443
Appreciate it.

00:37:51.483 --> 00:37:52.324
Yes.

00:37:52.344 --> 00:37:53.445
But my story,

00:37:54.385 --> 00:37:56.726
the one I gave in Boston was called

00:37:56.786 --> 00:37:57.608
Don't Shrink.

00:37:58.148 --> 00:38:00.009
So it was about kind of finding your

00:38:00.048 --> 00:38:01.650
purpose and moving towards

00:38:02.329 --> 00:38:03.110
self-leadership.

00:38:03.471 --> 00:38:05.452
And this is also a self-leadership story

00:38:05.512 --> 00:38:07.152
called You Matter Too.

00:38:07.992 --> 00:38:10.994
And it's kind of my exploration and

00:38:11.155 --> 00:38:13.235
finding myself after being

00:38:14.090 --> 00:38:15.851
lost in the role of being a physical

00:38:15.891 --> 00:38:18.333
therapist and forgetting myself along the

00:38:18.353 --> 00:38:20.954
way so that that self-abandonment that

00:38:21.016 --> 00:38:24.016
many of us feel um as providers and

00:38:24.077 --> 00:38:26.358
parents and the sandwich generation

00:38:26.398 --> 00:38:28.300
everything in between it's you know don't

00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.380
forget yourself along the way and care for

00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.043
yourself love it all right well you're no

00:38:33.063 --> 00:38:34.423
stranger to the show you know how we

00:38:34.463 --> 00:38:36.184
wrap up what's the parting shot you'd want

00:38:36.224 --> 00:38:37.146
to leave with the audience

00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:39.719
Yeah.

00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:41.059
So every audience,

00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:43.300
I think anyone who's maybe feeling that

00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:45.121
should be coming to the TED Talks and

00:38:45.141 --> 00:38:46.862
maybe hearing this ten minute story just

00:38:46.902 --> 00:38:48.184
for inspiration and connection.

00:38:48.744 --> 00:38:51.485
But my big, you know,

00:38:51.505 --> 00:38:52.907
parting shot would be and I think it's

00:38:52.947 --> 00:38:54.987
kind of consistent for every podcast I've

00:38:55.007 --> 00:38:57.128
done with you is provide your wellness and

00:38:57.168 --> 00:38:59.751
professional sustainability has to be in

00:38:59.791 --> 00:39:01.711
the forefront and the leaders get to help

00:39:02.291 --> 00:39:03.972
drive that and be a part of that.

00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.463
So I would say let's make this a

00:39:08.503 --> 00:39:08.882
focus.

00:39:08.922 --> 00:39:10.744
Let's continue to keep our workforce

00:39:10.784 --> 00:39:13.146
together and healthy.

00:39:13.186 --> 00:39:13.726
Sounds great.

00:39:14.106 --> 00:39:14.507
Perfect.

00:39:14.586 --> 00:39:15.507
All right.

00:39:15.527 --> 00:39:16.429
No pressure, Susan,

00:39:16.449 --> 00:39:17.769
but you get to back clean up here

00:39:17.789 --> 00:39:18.570
with a parting shot.

00:39:18.590 --> 00:39:19.371
What do you want to leave with the

00:39:19.411 --> 00:39:20.592
audience as we wrap up?

00:39:21.492 --> 00:39:24.114
I would say this talk is amazing for

00:39:24.193 --> 00:39:27.257
anybody who's had any sort of

00:39:27.396 --> 00:39:30.579
uncomfortable feeling in their profession

00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:31.760
as a PT, right?

00:39:32.454 --> 00:39:33.835
all leave i've talked about the big l

00:39:33.876 --> 00:39:35.818
and the little l a lot of our

00:39:35.958 --> 00:39:38.820
ted style talks come from a place of

00:39:39.940 --> 00:39:41.061
of getting comfortable with the

00:39:41.121 --> 00:39:43.983
uncomfortable right of a time when you've

00:39:44.003 --> 00:39:46.045
had to grow a time of when you've

00:39:46.105 --> 00:39:49.708
had to figure something out and again when

00:39:49.768 --> 00:39:51.349
i went to my first one i got

00:39:51.369 --> 00:39:52.730
there and i thought oh my gosh i'm

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not the only one that went through

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something like that oh they went through

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that too and that's how they got through

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it um it's it's just

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It's an amazing way to connect with others

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who have gone through something similar.

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You may not connect with every single

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talk,

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but I guarantee if you are a physical

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therapist in any sort of practice or work,

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somebody is going to have something on

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that stage that you're going to connect

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with and feel better because of it.

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Yeah.

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And the funny part is just how it

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happens.

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The people who are in the audience in

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a couple of years,

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You're going to be telling one of those

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stories on stage.

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It's in the show notes,

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but I will say it here.

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The LAMP leadership style,

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TED style talks,

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shared lessons on leading within and

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leading others.

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Thursday, February twelfth.

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That's two o'clock p.m.

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to three thirty.

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Check your APTA app and check your

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programs at home.

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Hey, thanks for doing this.

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Congrats on a decade.

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Getting people together, you know,

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once is difficult.

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Never mind ten times in a row.

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So thanks so much for sharing here.

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And we'll see you guys in L.A.

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Thanks, Jimmy.

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See, Keith?

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We read the script.

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Happy now?