Scott Chesney: From Paralysis to Purpose, and the Fire That Changed Everything

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Our guest today at fifteen,

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his life changed in an instant.

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A congenital condition left him paralyzed,

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but what followed

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has never been about defeat.

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It was about reinvention.

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He's been on stages across forty four

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countries,

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moved over one point seven million people

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and counting.

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And he's spoken inside the halls of the

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U.N., the Pentagon,

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Fortune five hundred companies from school

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assemblies to global conferences and one

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student conclave with APTA,

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which we'll get into.

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His mission, though,

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has stayed the same the whole time.

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Help people transform adversity into

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action.

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He's been called a navigator of life and

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the commander in change.

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I like that second one.

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And you're about to find out why.

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Welcome back to the show after a little

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bit of a hiatus.

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Scott Chesney.

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Scott, welcome back, man.

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Hey, Jimmy.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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It's always a pleasure to reconnect with

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you.

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Yeah, good to see you.

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I don't know which story to tell first.

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We got two, right?

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So first of all,

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I said welcome back to the show because

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we recorded live at the APTA Student

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Conclave in Miami, I think Miami,

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in I don't remember what year,

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so we're looking at a decade.

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Wow.

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If you think about it.

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I'm flying by.

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How do you look younger?

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I grew hair.

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I stopped shaving my head,

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so now I actually look younger.

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But you were there doing your thing.

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And we'll get into what that is.

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But I think it's funny that we got

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reconnected.

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I've got a cousin.

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My cousin's not a PT.

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She's no T. And, you know,

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she's a cousin.

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We follow each other on Facebook.

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And I rarely get pitches for guests from

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family members.

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Usually like, I don't know,

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Jimmy's over there doing something with a

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microphone.

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Again, we're not shocked.

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And my cousin,

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I think it was a text message or

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a phone call.

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She's like, listen,

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I see what you're doing on the Facebook

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with the interviews.

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And I got a pitch.

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And I'm like, all right, let's hear it.

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And she starts telling me this story about

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this guy.

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And I think I'm half listening to it

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while I'm cleaning the garage or

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something.

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But all of a sudden, something clicks.

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And I'm like, I know this song.

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I've heard this song before.

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And then I pause.

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I was like, hang on.

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This guy's named Scott.

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And she's like, how'd you know?

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So what's the connection?

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My cousin is friends with who?

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Your wife?

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I don't know who this is.

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Katie Gribben.

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I know a lot of Katie's.

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I'm sorry.

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I should know that.

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That's okay.

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Katie's watching this.

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I apologize, Katie.

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That's right.

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But she's like, yes, yes, yes.

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I remember the first thing I did is

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I'm reeling back through the interwebs and

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I pull up the episode.

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I go, this guy?

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And she goes, that guy.

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So it got me to reach back out

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to you a month or two ago and

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you're back on the show.

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So welcome back to the program,

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but we don't have to fly to Miami

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to actually get to talk to you.

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I don't know if we want to be

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there today anyway.

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They just lost to Indiana last night.

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That is a good point.

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It's not the happiest place on earth,

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Florida.

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So I mentioned a little bit.

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I tipped my hand a little bit to

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your background.

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You've delivered keynotes at the Pentagon,

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the FBI,

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Fortune

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What would your message be for an

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individual though?

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The people that we talk with, right?

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Very hyper-specific, right?

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A busy, burnt out PT listening right now.

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Mentioned in the intro,

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you like to turn adversity...

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into action, right?

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I feel like you turn acorns into oak

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trees, right?

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So if I gave you this, no prompting,

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right?

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What would you say to a busy,

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burnt-out PT who's listening right now who

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feels like they're facing adversity?

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that's a fantastic question jimmy um it's

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it's all about um reconnecting with

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oneself and what's interesting is that

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when we don't take care of ourselves and

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i mean this mentally uh physically

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emotionally spiritually is that it's

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interesting how our body kind of receives

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the brunt of that and so while we're

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getting sent messages and signals all the

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time to say hey you know we need

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to reconnect with self

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For many people, and in no judgment,

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it comes down to, wait a minute,

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I'm not feeling well.

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So it could be an ache in the

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body.

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It could be like a terrible sickness,

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an illness.

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And even in cases, I believe,

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a disability.

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Because what happens here is that we start

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experiencing enough discomfort,

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enough pain.

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When we experience enough pain in our

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lives, we will make a change.

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And we all have different thresholds for

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pain, so it's not to be judged.

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But that's what happens.

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And hopefully,

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and part of my message these days is

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that preventative care.

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So we kind of like all know that

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sooner or later, like, okay,

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there's enough pain.

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I gotta go to the doctor or I

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gotta take care of this,

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or I gotta start taking,

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because usually you go to the doctor and

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they're gonna probably talk about stress

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management.

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They're gonna talk about like taking it

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easy and exercising more,

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all these things that are part of

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self-care.

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And what I'm really hoping for is that

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people don't have to come to that place,

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is that there's preventative care that

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they can do for mind, body and spirit.

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And the good thing about this is,

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is that we know what advice to offer

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other people.

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But when it comes to receiving our own

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advice and walking our own talk,

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that's where the challenge is.

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So I'm going to say reconnect with self.

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And some of you are going to be

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like, well, I don't know what that is.

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So it's not even a reconnection.

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There was a time.

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when um you did take care of yourself

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whether it was in the womb or something

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there was a time where you did care

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for yourself but if it's new and it's

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weird and it doesn't feel right then you

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know what just surrender put the white

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flag up and say you know what i

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need help one of my biggest messages these

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days uh jimmy and it's come with a

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lot of soul searching it's come with a

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a deep dive into mental health is i

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don't have to figure this thing called

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life out on my own

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And I realized before paralysis,

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I realized during paralysis,

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and I realized for a very long time

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that, you know what,

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I had to figure things out on my

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own.

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And that came with a lot of challenges.

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And I understand where it all came from.

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I accept it.

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I own it.

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and now it's a matter of you know

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what i'm not alone i i need help

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um i'm not okay and when i do

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that and really trying to help people to

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like embrace that message i really feel

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that then i'm on the path to really

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taking care of myself i don't live on

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a deserted island and i don't know if

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any of your listeners are on a deserted

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island like tom hanks or anything he

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actually had wilson so he wasn't that

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alone but um

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is that we're not on a deserted island.

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So we don't necessarily have to take care

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of ourselves.

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Ultimately comes down to the actions we

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take.

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I know you mentioned that earlier.

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I'm all about action.

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The actions that we take on ourselves.

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Yes, there are times where it's about us,

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but in terms of that support,

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that guidance and everything,

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that accountability,

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there are other people that are in your

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life.

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And if they're not in your life right

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now,

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that's where we got to take action and

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find these people.

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Yeah, you made me think of a quote.

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I love taking words from other people

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because they probably send it better,

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which is the results you're looking for

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are hiding in the work you're not doing.

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If you're feeling something and you're

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like, well,

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I don't know what will make this better,

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but I'll just keep doing the things I'm

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doing now and hopefully it'll go away or

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hopefully it'll solve itself.

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That's not usually how it works.

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And the second thing was you might be

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looking for something or someone to solve

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all your problems.

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That's probably not likely.

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But there are people who can,

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if you reach out and do the work

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with them,

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who can help you solve each and every

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one of those things.

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So you're not on a deserted island.

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If you look for, I mean,

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especially in the profession that I'm

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lucky enough to be in physical therapy,

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most of the time,

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if you ask someone for help,

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they're either going to be able to help

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you and be willing,

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or they're going to point you towards

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someone who can do it right now or

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help you a little bit better.

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So I think your point of we're not

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on a deserted island is an important one.

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And even with physical therapists,

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I talk to them all the time.

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And these are my lifesavers.

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These are the people who got me back

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into life, got me back into work,

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got me back into play.

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I met all these things in terms of

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being extremely grateful.

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They're probably close to the top of my

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list, but also I met,

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they fall into that place.

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They know, they know.

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See, what's interesting too, Jimmy,

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just think about this is that if someone,

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anyone,

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even a stranger out on the street came

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up to you,

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and said,

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I'm really struggling with my life and

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here's what's going on.

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You're not gonna say like,

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I don't know what to tell you,

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like best of luck.

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You're gonna give advice.

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Cause deep at our core,

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we wanna help other people.

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We wanna serve other people.

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The challenge is that listening to that

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ourselves.

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So we're all about giving advice.

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So what I've always said is like,

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keep one ear open to yourself whenever

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you're giving advice to another person and

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make sure that you're like following that

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advice as well.

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Not to say that you still can't give

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advice,

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but it comes down to walking your talk.

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And even though I'm not walking right now,

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I realize that I haven't been walking in

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many ways in terms of following my own

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advice.

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And I've had to pay the price for

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it.

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I've had some major challenges in my life,

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all that I look back on and,

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you know,

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trying to take the message and lessons

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away because there's only one positive

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thing, Jimmy,

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that we can do with the past.

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Only one.

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And I have scoured this earth looking for

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this answer and it's learned from it.

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That's it.

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Any other thing that you choose to do

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with the past,

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that is a waste of time and energy.

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So as quickly as you can find the

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message,

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find the lessons and move on with your

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life.

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All right.

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So you talk a lot about this,

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turning thoughts and feelings into

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positive action.

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Is there something tactical?

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We just talked about strategy.

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Is there something tactical?

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Are you someone who says,

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I got a journal?

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What's something tactical?

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Someone who's listening right now could

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say, okay, you're right.

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I got to lean into this and start

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doing this with other people,

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not a deserted island.

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Is there something you're doing right now

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that somebody listening could apply today?

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Well,

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I'm going to give you some other things,

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but I don't want people to go there

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right away.

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I am going to say,

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and I probably wouldn't have said this the

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first time that I was on the call

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with you,

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is that if you are not seeing a

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therapist at this time,

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make the call and see one.

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I'm at a place where I believe,

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and I'm just giving a number right now,

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at the age of twelve,

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just think about this for a minute,

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it could be a different number,

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but at the age of twelve,

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I believe everybody

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should be seeing a mental health therapist

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and so forth.

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And knowing full well, yes,

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our parents do the best jobs they can

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with the tools they're given.

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I learned that,

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but I also learned in therapy,

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it still doesn't take away the impact that

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it's had on your life.

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So there's a lot to digest.

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And you know what's interesting?

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It's probably the most important job in

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the world being a parent.

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But think about this, Jimmy,

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and you're a brilliant guy.

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What do you need to become a parent?

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Biologically.

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Biologically.

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And I'm also going to say,

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outside of you as well.

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There's two things.

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Biologically,

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we don't have to go down that road.

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We know what that's all about.

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What's the other thing that you need to

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be a parent?

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A car seat.

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You need a car seat in the car

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to drive the kid home.

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This is the only thing.

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We don't have to pass a test.

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We don't even have to sign up anywhere

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to get a library card.

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And I know that's old school and

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everything,

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is that they'll send anyone home with a

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kid.

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And yet it's the toughest job ever.

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So it's on job training.

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And as parents, it doesn't necessarily.

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It actually is not the case with the

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large majority, if not everyone,

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is that we don't have our stuff together.

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We're still working on ourselves as

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individuals.

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We have this life that's come into our

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world and we're helping to have them

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navigate.

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And it's tough not to project our own

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stuff if we don't have it resolved.

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So I'm going to say,

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and I know this is going to like

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really take the wind.

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I know some people aren't going to listen

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anymore.

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Do me a favor.

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And I say this with tears in my

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eyes because I made up for I'm still

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making up.

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I'm in the fast lane now.

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Five years ago, Jimmy, fifty years old,

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thirty five years into paralysis.

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First time ever I saw mental health.

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Wow.

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And there's a lot there that we could

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talk about.

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And I'm not saying it just because of

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my situation.

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I mean,

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you think about the trauma when I was

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fifteen years old.

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And yes,

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that should have been right up there with

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physical therapy and all this.

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So contact a mental health therapist,

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do some research and so forth.

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Find what your insurance pays for.

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Interview them.

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Find out who you resonate with.

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And just have this person doesn't mean you

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don't have friends or family that you can

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talk to,

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but someone who's like on the periphery

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who might be.

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Someone who is like for me,

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I've had therapists now who have basically

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been experts in trauma and realizing the

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amount of trauma that I've experienced in

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my life,

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even like in addition to paralysis when I

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was fifteen.

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So I'm going to suggest that.

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So make that phone call.

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And again,

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if anyone's listening to me in your old

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school, it's not a sign of weakness.

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It is a sign of strength.

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It is a sign to say, listen,

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I don't have this.

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all together right now i need help i

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feel like i'm navigating maybe it's just

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your flatlining right now maybe you're

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crashing maybe you're spiraling whatever

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the case is there's nothing wrong with you

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the moment you decide to see a mental

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health therapist is the moment that you

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say hey you know what something's right

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with me and i don't have to and

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it's amazing to see what occurs there now

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with regards so plant that that's number

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one that's a huge number one

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And which I'm sure a therapist is not

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going to argue with.

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I love to still meditate.

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I think meditation is one of those things,

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and we talk to a lot of physical

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therapists who from like,

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you talk about burnout,

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is that bring back the silence and

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stillness into your life.

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That's what meditation does.

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This is what I've researched as well.

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There is no close number two.

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And so a lot of the, not backlash,

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but a lot of people, well,

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I tried and it didn't work.

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And then I tried and it didn't work.

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I'm going to say there are so many

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types of meditation that you can get

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involved with.

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And sometimes it begins with a little just

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mindfulness,

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just being present where I am.

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For those of you that are thinking,

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I can't do this.

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I had the best opportunity in the world.

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I was trained specifically by Dr.

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Deepak Chopra.

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who's an amazing medical doctor,

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but also an alternative medical

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practitioner,

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specializing in Ayurveda and so forth.

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He taught me one-on-one how to meditate.

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The first time I got out of my

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wheelchair, Jimmy,

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got down onto the ground.

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I'll never forget this.

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We're in La Jolla, California.

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That's where the Chopra Center for

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Wellbeing used to be based.

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Now it's in Carlsbad.

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And I'm on the ground and it's primordial

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sound meditation.

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So that's the one he teaches and so

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forth.

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So I ended up getting a mantra that

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we determined and so forth and started

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repeating that.

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All of a sudden,

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I get a little nudge at my shoulder.

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Scott, Scott, I'm trying to do his accent.

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I love Deepak.

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Wake up, wake up.

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And all of a sudden,

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like I open my eyes.

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And I said, oh, Deepak,

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I must have like drifted off.

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He said,

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you drifted off for forty five minutes,

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Scott.

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i took a nap i don't know i

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i wasn't meditating and all of a sudden

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i realized that i because it's like and

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i started apologizing i said deepak i'm so

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sorry you're creating this time you're

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spending with me and everything and

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obviously he said scott first rule of

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meditation never judge a meditation he

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said you were meant to be sleeping more

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than you were meant to be meditating he

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said if two three weeks later when we're

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done with more practice and so forth

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you're still sleeping then we have a

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problem

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So it's something that I love to integrate

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into my day first thing in the morning

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before I go to bed for me.

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And I'm a believer in God.

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I don't practice any one religion more

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spiritually.

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There's a higher power out there.

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I believe when I meditate,

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I'm listening to God.

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When I pray,

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which I still do in everything,

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I'm talking to God.

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So it's that exchange in everything that I

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find to be very powerful.

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But that creates,

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so even though I'm paralyzed, Jimmy,

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my life is full of movement.

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It's full of sound, speaking,

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doing all this.

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What I've learned in life is that,

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you know what,

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embrace life's polar opposites.

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So how would we know movement if we

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didn't know stillness?

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How would we know noise and sound if

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we didn't know silence, success, failure,

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pleasure, pain?

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So it's not about like, oh,

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I need to have a painful experience.

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No, no, no.

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It's learning when those experiences come

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to embrace it,

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because then it allows us to strike some

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kind of balance and actually gravitate

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more towards more of those positives that

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we want to do in life.

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But meditation, it's productive.

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Because a lot of times I was sitting

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there in silence.

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I'm not getting things done.

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Or this is a waste of time.

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But the mind is the only thing, Jimmy.

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The mind is the only thing.

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And I still don't know.

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And I guess at some point I'm going

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to have to have a talk with God

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when my time comes.

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And up there, I was saying, like,

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why is this?

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I've actually learned about pain, too.

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I've done a lot of research in pain.

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It becomes existent when the mind tells

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it.

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Now,

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not to say you're weak when I'm in

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pain, but you know what?

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It's the mind determining this is painful.

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There are people I met in other countries

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and everything,

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and things are going on to them in

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their lives and everything.

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And maybe that's what happened when I did

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a firework.

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I did a firework on my hands.

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Tony Robbins held my legs.

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I had my hands on burning hot coals.

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Didn't feel a thing.

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Why was that?

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I wasn't focused on that.

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That wasn't my focus.

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My focus was what was waiting for me

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on the other side of those coals.

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So, so I would put this in order.

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Yes.

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Is that see a therapist, a therapist,

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please.

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Meditation, journaling.

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You mentioned that before.

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Journaling is very powerful.

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I don't want that to replace,

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replace a therapist.

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I don't want that to replace talking with

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friends and family and colleagues who is a

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great complimentary thing to like share,

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like what it is that I'm feeling in

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addition to therapy.

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So I would suggest that.

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And it's just, you know what?

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But following your heart,

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too many people these days are moving away

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from their passions.

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And it's like, I don't have time.

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I don't have time to do this.

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It's almost like this is last on my

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list.

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And it doesn't mean that it requires,

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like, I love to travel.

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I love to go to like different countries,

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do different things.

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But I realized that sometimes whether it

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be like time, a busy schedule, whatever,

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like I can't do that.

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so i have and i know i'm like

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going off on a tangent right now exercise

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is a part of that for me as

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well um i have two because we create

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a lot of excuses there's not enough time

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in a day uh uh it's not gonna

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change folks it's always gonna be that way

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so i have my schedule of when i

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am super busy maybe i am traveling maybe

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i'm out of a hotel room so meditation

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i love to do for thirty minutes in

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the morning thirty minutes before i go to

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bed when i'm not traveling when things are

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like

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pretty good like not too busy when I'm

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traveling though it could be ten minutes

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meditation ten minutes of exercise

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somewhere getting it in so I'm still

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honoring myself but still understanding

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that I have a lot going on I

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think that's so important is to honor

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yourself

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and to take care of yourself.

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Because folks, here's the thing,

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and we can talk about like when you're

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on an airplane and giving yourself oxygen

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first before you give it to someone else.

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We all know about that,

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but that's the truth.

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The more that you take care of yourself,

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the more that you'll be able to take

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care of other people.

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You look at those people,

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there are even some people who like,

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oh my God,

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they do so much for other people.

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Like, why have they burned out?

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Why have they died?

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Because they're not caring for self.

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Even Mother Teresa, Mother Teresa,

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I've yet to find anybody, Jimmy,

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anybody in this world that has argued with

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me,

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whether you're a believer in religion or

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not.

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Mother Teresa, see,

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I love to study people.

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I love to find out like what makes

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people tick,

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those people who have really made an

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impact in people's life.

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Influencers,

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before like the term influencer even came

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to be.

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Mother Teresa, Mother Teresa.

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She said she used to meditate in the

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morning, every morning,

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for an hour by herself.

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She said,

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this is my time to listen to God.

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This is where I embrace the whole thing.

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This is my time to listen to God.

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We don't even know the countless lives

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that she touched.

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But on the other side of the day,

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before her head hit the pillow,

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spent one hour praying.

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This is my time to talk to God,

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she said.

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So on either side of the day,

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she was filling her own cup to the

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point where she had so much energy and

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resources to help other people.

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So that was a big sentence, wasn't it,

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Jimmy?

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Jimmy,

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you could have gone to the bathroom,

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taken a break and everything.

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I want to step in here, man.

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I appreciate you.

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I'm going to listen.

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You don't bring somebody on the podcast

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who speaks professionally to millions of

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people and then not expect that person to

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espouse wisdom.

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Scott,

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this is why we bring you on here.

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But that leads me to my next question.

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When I heard you talk,

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you start things off with a story.

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That's a great way to begin a talk.

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Brings the audience in.

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You zero them in on your story.

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You've told your story.

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I told a little bit of your story

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before this episode started.

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So I got a question,

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but I want to ask this one first.

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how does that feel still telling that

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story?

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Does that hurt you at all?

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Because you bring it up.

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Like I'm wondering that because I

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interview people a little bit.

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So I remember when I looked at that,

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when I remember in Miami thinking, man,

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I see what happened and what, what,

00:22:27.445 --> 00:22:28.405
what became of that,

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what he did with that,

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but is telling it when you meet people

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from zero, is that painful at all?

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Is that, are you tired of,

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would you rather talk about something

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else?

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Jimmy, I almost,

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every time I share my story,

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since the first time I spoke back in

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the nineties sometime is that, um,

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Like, I always get a little bit emotional.

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And so there's never been a time.

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And the reason I share my story, too,

00:22:54.736 --> 00:22:56.155
is that that's my uniqueness.

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We talk about, like,

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sharing lines from other people and

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stealing quotes and so forth.

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That's all we're doing.

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And it's a good way.

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We're trying to connect with people.

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What was the line they said one time?

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There is no teacher who can teach us

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anything new.

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They can simply help us remember the

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things we always knew.

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i um i i share my story because

00:23:15.364 --> 00:23:16.785
i want to connect i mean my mom

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has always said you know what you should

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just tell people what happened to you like

00:23:20.306 --> 00:23:21.686
when you first meet them because they're

00:23:21.707 --> 00:23:23.248
curious and everything like mom i think

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that's a little much i will tell you

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this though too jimmy is that the past

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five years um a midlife crisis you name

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it is that the story has gotten deeper

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the story has

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Man, I have finally, finally, Jimmy,

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grieved over what that fifteen year old

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lost.

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I have finally like focused on, wow,

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not only my my teenage years from fifteen

00:23:52.510 --> 00:23:55.053
onward, my twenties, my thirties,

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my forties, fifth,

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like this isn't going away.

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And, Jimmy, what I've realized, too,

00:24:01.412 --> 00:24:04.233
is that, like, I love to take myself,

00:24:04.295 --> 00:24:04.974
rewind the past.

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Again, we can't change the past,

00:24:06.997 --> 00:24:08.278
but we can reinterpret.

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You know what?

00:24:09.019 --> 00:24:10.740
Why didn't paralysis affect me in the

00:24:10.760 --> 00:24:11.121
beginning?

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Why have I always been a person who,

00:24:14.124 --> 00:24:16.006
like, has his, like,

00:24:16.066 --> 00:24:17.488
emotions out on his sleeve,

00:24:17.907 --> 00:24:19.730
but this is something that, like,

00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:20.830
I couldn't go to?

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Yeah.

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It was so big, Jimmy.

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My life was all about movement before

00:24:25.992 --> 00:24:27.933
football, basketball, baseball.

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It's hard to get me to sit down

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and read a book.

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But I also realized, you know what?

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I didn't have an accident or an injury.

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I woke up.

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I had an illness.

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I was sick.

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And I think there was a part of

00:24:40.997 --> 00:24:43.798
me that needed that break with paralysis.

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But then also thinking, you know what?

00:24:46.218 --> 00:24:47.919
Just as quickly as it entered my body,

00:24:48.098 --> 00:24:49.278
it's going to exit my body.

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And it was around the age of fifty

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like this isn't going away.

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This isn't going away.

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And Jimmy, one of the things that.

00:25:00.523 --> 00:25:02.064
I'm really fighting for these days.

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And there are some facilities that get it

00:25:04.825 --> 00:25:05.684
and others that don't.

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Is that I don't want to get into

00:25:08.566 --> 00:25:10.606
it because this rehabilitation center has

00:25:10.646 --> 00:25:13.807
been wonderful to me and so forth and

00:25:14.188 --> 00:25:14.407
and.

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mean i still go there to this day

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and when i was fifteen years old i

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basically was given a sheet of paper um

00:25:23.446 --> 00:25:25.608
when i got to this rehab facility and

00:25:25.628 --> 00:25:27.230
it said this is when physical therapy is

00:25:27.471 --> 00:25:29.152
i didn't need occupational therapy being a

00:25:29.192 --> 00:25:31.253
paraplegic but activities of daily living

00:25:31.334 --> 00:25:33.375
adls that's what it was called um

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breakfast lunch dinner and then downtime

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No mental health therapy.

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So what I would find out many years

00:25:43.458 --> 00:25:45.499
later is that they screen people,

00:25:46.278 --> 00:25:48.519
screen people who needs therapy,

00:25:48.578 --> 00:25:49.358
mental health therapy,

00:25:49.398 --> 00:25:50.799
who needs to see a psychologist,

00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:52.440
a psychiatrist, and who doesn't.

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And I guess with the smile on my

00:25:55.401 --> 00:25:57.560
face, with all this support around me,

00:25:57.601 --> 00:25:59.701
family and friends, I was good to go.

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I, this is what I,

00:26:03.144 --> 00:26:04.865
and I get it with regards to a

00:26:04.904 --> 00:26:06.846
traumatic injury with regards to spinal

00:26:06.866 --> 00:26:09.469
cord injuries and non-traumatic that's

00:26:09.628 --> 00:26:10.128
physical.

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I get that.

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But emotionally, this is mentally,

00:26:13.951 --> 00:26:16.294
this is traumatic for everybody.

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So what I'm saying is that everybody

00:26:18.576 --> 00:26:18.715
should,

00:26:19.135 --> 00:26:19.596
needs to,

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if you had mental health therapy down my

00:26:21.217 --> 00:26:22.077
schedule, I'm not going to say, well,

00:26:22.137 --> 00:26:22.778
I don't need that.

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No, I was in total surrender mode.

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I didn't know what the heck was going

00:26:26.580 --> 00:26:26.980
on with me.

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And even if I sat in those therapy

00:26:28.962 --> 00:26:30.624
sessions and just, uh-huh, uh-huh,

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I would have been listening.

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I would have had a traumatic expert

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trauma,

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someone who was an expert in trauma,

00:26:36.988 --> 00:26:39.048
be able to ask me questions to get

00:26:39.108 --> 00:26:40.130
me to think,

00:26:40.410 --> 00:26:42.791
to get me to maybe share, open up.

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I don't know what I would have

00:26:44.113 --> 00:26:44.653
experienced,

00:26:44.712 --> 00:26:46.594
but that would allow me to start

00:26:46.634 --> 00:26:47.315
processing.

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This loss and still to this day.

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And if you think about it back then

00:26:52.867 --> 00:26:55.329
in nineteen eighty six happened in eighty

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five in December.

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Eighty six is when I was in therapy.

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Is that six?

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And this was for regular insurance.

00:27:02.977 --> 00:27:04.519
Six months as a paraplegic,

00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:06.300
a stay in a rehab center,

00:27:06.641 --> 00:27:08.303
a year for a quadriplegic.

00:27:09.574 --> 00:27:11.234
i got out in six weeks because my

00:27:11.295 --> 00:27:13.515
family didn't have major meds so i was

00:27:13.694 --> 00:27:15.316
out the door quickly i ended up getting

00:27:15.395 --> 00:27:17.036
two sessions of physical therapy because i

00:27:17.056 --> 00:27:18.115
only had one in the morning i said

00:27:18.155 --> 00:27:20.336
i'm not tired i need a second and

00:27:20.376 --> 00:27:22.798
so i was able to do that but

00:27:22.897 --> 00:27:26.838
six weeks but now paraplegics and and

00:27:26.878 --> 00:27:30.019
quadriplegics are out within six weeks

00:27:30.935 --> 00:27:32.458
Even more the reason, Jimmy,

00:27:33.157 --> 00:27:36.080
for mental health therapy to process what

00:27:36.101 --> 00:27:38.864
has happened to them physically, mentally,

00:27:38.923 --> 00:27:39.483
spiritually.

00:27:40.105 --> 00:27:43.288
I'm all for peer support groups.

00:27:43.748 --> 00:27:44.269
I love it.

00:27:44.749 --> 00:27:48.071
I'm all for like the sharing and talking,

00:27:48.112 --> 00:27:49.493
but there's trauma.

00:27:50.134 --> 00:27:52.155
And most of us aren't trained in trauma

00:27:52.236 --> 00:27:53.616
and know how to process this.

00:27:54.438 --> 00:27:56.858
and this is something that is wrong so

00:27:56.999 --> 00:27:59.780
just up there i was told that insurances

00:27:59.861 --> 00:28:01.661
basically cover because i've talked to

00:28:01.701 --> 00:28:03.582
people at this facility but other

00:28:03.642 --> 00:28:05.522
facilities is that physical therapy

00:28:06.263 --> 00:28:08.664
occupational therapy and when needed

00:28:08.984 --> 00:28:11.326
speech therapy those are three mandates

00:28:11.526 --> 00:28:13.886
for insurance to cover sure where's mental

00:28:13.906 --> 00:28:16.808
health therapy so jimmy i just had forty

00:28:16.848 --> 00:28:19.029
years of being spinal cord injured on

00:28:19.069 --> 00:28:21.990
december twenty eighth of last year i can

00:28:22.030 --> 00:28:23.692
tell you now and tell everyone that's

00:28:23.751 --> 00:28:24.071
listening

00:28:25.384 --> 00:28:28.106
The mental game that is forced to be

00:28:28.146 --> 00:28:28.327
played,

00:28:28.347 --> 00:28:29.608
and I use the word game because I'm

00:28:29.628 --> 00:28:30.029
an athlete.

00:28:30.049 --> 00:28:31.692
I'll always be an athlete within.

00:28:32.492 --> 00:28:36.397
The mental game is far more challenging

00:28:36.857 --> 00:28:37.659
than the physical.

00:28:37.679 --> 00:28:38.921
And if you think about this,

00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:40.762
just even if you don't have a disability,

00:28:41.403 --> 00:28:42.766
is that how much mentally...

00:28:44.232 --> 00:28:45.513
be going on in your life to the

00:28:45.554 --> 00:28:47.095
point where you check out what's going on

00:28:47.275 --> 00:28:48.516
with you physically just think of an

00:28:48.756 --> 00:28:50.576
athlete think of a baseball hitter you

00:28:50.596 --> 00:28:52.938
could be the best hitter ever and all

00:28:52.998 --> 00:28:54.118
of a sudden you strike out a couple

00:28:54.138 --> 00:28:56.720
times you're up here now you're up here

00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:58.461
now we understand the importance of

00:28:58.642 --> 00:29:01.462
mentally being there being present being

00:29:01.502 --> 00:29:02.963
there with our children being there at

00:29:03.003 --> 00:29:06.226
work this has a direct tone it gets

00:29:06.306 --> 00:29:07.606
us back to what we were talking about

00:29:07.626 --> 00:29:10.008
in the beginning is that with regards to

00:29:10.048 --> 00:29:10.969
our physical health

00:29:12.093 --> 00:29:13.513
So we keep telling ourselves and

00:29:13.534 --> 00:29:13.854
everything.

00:29:13.913 --> 00:29:15.434
I'm weak or this isn't going well in

00:29:15.454 --> 00:29:16.997
my life or I'm not dealing with this

00:29:17.037 --> 00:29:17.436
or whatever.

00:29:17.817 --> 00:29:18.498
Is that guess what?

00:29:18.577 --> 00:29:20.818
It's going to result in more challenges

00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:22.461
physically with you to the point where

00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.942
that's going to be your wake up call.

00:29:24.501 --> 00:29:26.703
So this is so important, Jimmy.

00:29:27.263 --> 00:29:31.666
And I just there's more attention that's

00:29:31.707 --> 00:29:33.828
given to it now than it was back

00:29:33.868 --> 00:29:34.730
in nineteen eighty six.

00:29:35.542 --> 00:29:36.963
but not nearly as much.

00:29:36.983 --> 00:29:38.785
And I'm not just talking about spinal cord

00:29:38.845 --> 00:29:40.125
injury or disabilities.

00:29:40.185 --> 00:29:41.646
I'm just talking about in general,

00:29:42.126 --> 00:29:43.248
in terms of mental health.

00:29:43.548 --> 00:29:45.108
It's becoming more of a priority,

00:29:45.469 --> 00:29:47.089
yet it's still not on that level it

00:29:47.130 --> 00:29:49.551
needs to be.

00:29:50.051 --> 00:29:51.173
You're highlighting something.

00:29:51.192 --> 00:29:52.814
You're helping me through my question

00:29:52.834 --> 00:29:53.773
list, and I appreciate that.

00:29:54.555 --> 00:29:57.496
You've worked with and spoken to students,

00:29:57.537 --> 00:29:58.457
corporate leaders.

00:29:58.797 --> 00:30:00.438
You mentioned Tony Robbins, Deepak Chopra.

00:30:00.898 --> 00:30:02.900
You've spoken with people

00:30:03.826 --> 00:30:05.807
high and wide, all different types.

00:30:06.647 --> 00:30:08.430
You mentioned a mindset trap,

00:30:09.891 --> 00:30:11.832
which is I don't need any help or

00:30:12.132 --> 00:30:14.013
there is no help or help wasn't provided,

00:30:14.054 --> 00:30:15.355
therefore I won't seek it out.

00:30:16.343 --> 00:30:18.203
What are some other mindset traps that

00:30:18.223 --> 00:30:20.644
maybe we fall into that physical

00:30:20.683 --> 00:30:22.224
therapists are not mental health

00:30:22.545 --> 00:30:23.065
providers?

00:30:23.565 --> 00:30:26.006
They are someone who's going to be with

00:30:26.046 --> 00:30:27.866
someone a lot who might be able to

00:30:27.926 --> 00:30:30.208
spot these things and then hopefully hears

00:30:30.248 --> 00:30:31.807
your words in their brain saying,

00:30:32.208 --> 00:30:35.209
maybe this is something I could suggest or

00:30:35.288 --> 00:30:36.450
nudge that person to.

00:30:37.009 --> 00:30:38.851
So what are some mindset traps you see

00:30:38.891 --> 00:30:41.351
people falling to the most that we can

00:30:41.892 --> 00:30:43.811
read and recognize like a good quarterback

00:30:43.852 --> 00:30:45.792
would and then help to reroute?

00:30:47.269 --> 00:30:48.691
I think it's a great question.

00:30:48.730 --> 00:30:49.592
I know we're talking about physical

00:30:49.612 --> 00:30:50.231
therapists too.

00:30:50.311 --> 00:30:52.173
So it's giving.

00:30:52.733 --> 00:30:55.194
It's amazing with physical therapists is

00:30:55.234 --> 00:30:55.414
that,

00:30:55.434 --> 00:30:56.415
and there have been some people who have

00:30:56.435 --> 00:30:57.696
married their physical therapist.

00:30:58.877 --> 00:31:02.319
My first physical therapist basically was

00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:03.340
a student at the time.

00:31:03.881 --> 00:31:05.602
And when she got older and got married,

00:31:05.821 --> 00:31:07.222
she called me one day and said that

00:31:08.263 --> 00:31:08.903
she was pregnant.

00:31:08.923 --> 00:31:10.444
She wanted her name to her first born

00:31:10.486 --> 00:31:11.365
child after me.

00:31:12.886 --> 00:31:12.987
Wow.

00:31:13.007 --> 00:31:16.930
We love to name our child Matthew Scott.

00:31:18.151 --> 00:31:18.832
And I said, wow.

00:31:18.951 --> 00:31:19.291
I was like,

00:31:20.673 --> 00:31:22.415
I'm actually crying on the phone as she's

00:31:22.455 --> 00:31:22.836
telling me this.

00:31:22.875 --> 00:31:23.696
Then all of a sudden I just said,

00:31:23.957 --> 00:31:25.019
just out of curiosity,

00:31:25.058 --> 00:31:26.400
why not Scott Matthew?

00:31:27.221 --> 00:31:27.981
And she said, well, Scott,

00:31:28.182 --> 00:31:29.864
we want to name him after a saint.

00:31:30.203 --> 00:31:30.505
And I said,

00:31:30.664 --> 00:31:31.546
you don't have to say anymore.

00:31:31.586 --> 00:31:31.986
I get it.

00:31:32.006 --> 00:31:33.367
There is no saint named Scott.

00:31:33.407 --> 00:31:34.910
Trust me, there's no saint named Scott.

00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:38.011
But there's a bond what happens is that

00:31:38.071 --> 00:31:39.853
when someone starts moving your body,

00:31:40.012 --> 00:31:41.334
even if it wasn't paralyzed,

00:31:41.354 --> 00:31:42.634
someone starts moving your body,

00:31:42.755 --> 00:31:44.635
it's going to trigger some emotions.

00:31:44.996 --> 00:31:47.218
So there's a great opportunity.

00:31:47.577 --> 00:31:47.917
And again,

00:31:48.638 --> 00:31:51.141
I don't know the parameters that a

00:31:51.221 --> 00:31:52.662
physical therapist has.

00:31:52.741 --> 00:31:54.522
But if they're that connected with

00:31:54.563 --> 00:31:57.105
someone, they might be that vocal piece.

00:31:57.464 --> 00:31:59.306
Hopefully, a therapist,

00:31:59.806 --> 00:32:00.787
a mental health therapist is going to

00:32:00.846 --> 00:32:01.667
complement that.

00:32:02.268 --> 00:32:05.089
But they're going to get a lot themselves.

00:32:05.890 --> 00:32:07.811
And what I would suggest,

00:32:08.132 --> 00:32:10.314
and this is what I suggest,

00:32:10.334 --> 00:32:12.776
just give that person permission to feel

00:32:12.796 --> 00:32:13.636
whatever they're feeling.

00:32:14.517 --> 00:32:17.319
If they're really angry in that moment and

00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.540
maybe don't know why they're angry,

00:32:18.901 --> 00:32:19.442
you know what?

00:32:19.501 --> 00:32:20.643
Give them some exercise.

00:32:20.782 --> 00:32:22.903
Give them like a pillow to punch.

00:32:22.943 --> 00:32:25.987
Whatever it may be, get that anger out.

00:32:26.727 --> 00:32:28.169
And if they want to process and talk

00:32:28.209 --> 00:32:29.048
about it, let's do that.

00:32:29.630 --> 00:32:31.371
If there are tears that are coming,

00:32:32.132 --> 00:32:32.972
that's fine.

00:32:33.836 --> 00:32:35.238
is that let the tears come.

00:32:35.498 --> 00:32:36.798
I know there's some people that will say,

00:32:36.838 --> 00:32:37.259
hey, you know what,

00:32:37.278 --> 00:32:38.720
go cry in the shower or whatever.

00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:39.900
No, no.

00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:42.142
That's another sign of strength is when

00:32:42.162 --> 00:32:42.981
you allow yourself,

00:32:43.001 --> 00:32:44.182
you give yourself permission.

00:32:44.903 --> 00:32:45.463
Because again,

00:32:45.503 --> 00:32:47.224
if you look from the outside in,

00:32:47.724 --> 00:32:49.445
if I was on the outside, not paralyzed,

00:32:49.786 --> 00:32:51.487
and I saw someone who was on a

00:32:51.547 --> 00:32:53.107
mat doing PT or whatever,

00:32:53.688 --> 00:32:55.028
and hearing a little bit about their

00:32:55.048 --> 00:32:55.328
story,

00:32:55.509 --> 00:32:57.390
I would say they have every right to

00:32:57.430 --> 00:32:58.010
be angry.

00:32:58.310 --> 00:32:59.912
They have every right to be sad.

00:33:00.551 --> 00:33:01.992
They have every right also,

00:33:02.153 --> 00:33:03.674
I don't want to just sound morbid here,

00:33:03.974 --> 00:33:04.935
to feel grateful.

00:33:05.556 --> 00:33:06.936
And I say this to people because I'm

00:33:06.977 --> 00:33:08.699
constantly still going into rehab

00:33:08.719 --> 00:33:12.122
hospitals and VAs and so forth and talking

00:33:12.162 --> 00:33:15.163
to like veterans who have like just,

00:33:16.065 --> 00:33:17.026
I let my country down.

00:33:18.027 --> 00:33:19.708
That therapist, I'm sorry,

00:33:19.847 --> 00:33:21.229
the veterans who have told me,

00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:23.090
I let my country down.

00:33:24.332 --> 00:33:27.932
And I said, by becoming paralyzed?

00:33:28.593 --> 00:33:30.653
By suffering a traumatic brain injury?

00:33:31.794 --> 00:33:33.173
I said, let me tell you something.

00:33:33.673 --> 00:33:34.554
I understand why.

00:33:34.733 --> 00:33:37.954
So it's a matter of validating someone,

00:33:38.095 --> 00:33:38.835
like where they're at,

00:33:39.775 --> 00:33:41.875
and like helping them and allow them to

00:33:41.935 --> 00:33:43.675
like feel whatever it is,

00:33:43.715 --> 00:33:46.457
but to help them get through the

00:33:46.537 --> 00:33:47.896
stuckness, as I like to say it,

00:33:48.717 --> 00:33:50.758
is that I said, you're still here.

00:33:52.010 --> 00:33:52.932
You're still here.

00:33:53.352 --> 00:33:54.813
And I believe everyone,

00:33:54.952 --> 00:33:56.794
because so many of these experiences could

00:33:56.814 --> 00:33:58.015
have very easily taken your life.

00:33:58.715 --> 00:34:01.096
You got struck by a bullet and everything.

00:34:01.136 --> 00:34:02.478
It just raised your spinal cord.

00:34:02.699 --> 00:34:04.039
Could hit your spinal cord or hit you.

00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:05.359
You could not be here right now.

00:34:05.681 --> 00:34:06.381
You're still here.

00:34:06.760 --> 00:34:07.821
You were diving.

00:34:07.862 --> 00:34:09.103
You broke your neck or whatever.

00:34:09.443 --> 00:34:10.164
You're still here.

00:34:11.125 --> 00:34:12.585
And so because you're still here,

00:34:13.536 --> 00:34:15.757
There is a place and a purpose for

00:34:15.797 --> 00:34:15.958
you.

00:34:16.637 --> 00:34:18.159
And maybe, just maybe,

00:34:18.458 --> 00:34:21.300
your purpose in life is greater than it

00:34:21.322 --> 00:34:21.822
was before.

00:34:22.001 --> 00:34:22.641
I don't know.

00:34:22.661 --> 00:34:23.882
And this is the beautiful thing.

00:34:24.244 --> 00:34:25.523
That's where your journey of

00:34:25.583 --> 00:34:26.625
self-discovery comes.

00:34:26.945 --> 00:34:28.346
This is what you have to figure out.

00:34:28.405 --> 00:34:30.248
We have people that can help us navigate,

00:34:30.427 --> 00:34:31.327
get us on the right path,

00:34:31.588 --> 00:34:32.989
be part of that team around you.

00:34:33.010 --> 00:34:33.769
But ultimately,

00:34:34.190 --> 00:34:37.193
it's you who is going to track down

00:34:37.512 --> 00:34:39.574
what that purpose is, personally,

00:34:39.853 --> 00:34:41.496
professionally, you name it.

00:34:42.195 --> 00:34:44.856
So I think that's very important is to

00:34:44.936 --> 00:34:47.637
give people permission to feel their

00:34:47.677 --> 00:34:48.097
feelings.

00:34:49.059 --> 00:34:50.679
And whatever those feelings may be,

00:34:50.958 --> 00:34:52.900
you might have a week of sadness for

00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:53.300
someone.

00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:55.081
And then all of a sudden they might

00:34:55.101 --> 00:34:55.701
be laughing.

00:34:55.780 --> 00:34:57.442
Something might have struck a chord with

00:34:57.481 --> 00:34:58.342
them.

00:34:58.362 --> 00:35:00.623
Just let them know it's okay.

00:35:01.222 --> 00:35:05.204
And I would love to hear physical

00:35:05.244 --> 00:35:08.606
therapists just utter the words like,

00:35:09.326 --> 00:35:10.447
I'm just letting you know you're not

00:35:10.487 --> 00:35:10.746
alone.

00:35:12.076 --> 00:35:13.217
I know maybe there's gonna be a time

00:35:13.257 --> 00:35:15.898
later on in the day where if family

00:35:15.918 --> 00:35:18.059
and friends are visiting and all of a

00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:19.898
sudden it slows down with regards to the

00:35:19.938 --> 00:35:22.340
beeps and the noises of different medical

00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.161
machines that might be there and you're

00:35:24.181 --> 00:35:25.581
there, I was like,

00:35:27.536 --> 00:35:29.858
You're alone with your thoughts and your

00:35:29.918 --> 00:35:30.438
feelings.

00:35:30.878 --> 00:35:31.239
Yes.

00:35:32.139 --> 00:35:33.159
But you're not alone.

00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:34.581
There's a phone call.

00:35:34.621 --> 00:35:35.581
There's a text.

00:35:35.641 --> 00:35:38.181
There's people who will listen.

00:35:39.143 --> 00:35:40.402
I've lost a lot of people.

00:35:40.664 --> 00:35:42.244
And I myself, I will say this,

00:35:42.284 --> 00:35:45.126
have had suicide ideations.

00:35:45.166 --> 00:35:47.246
Never attempted, but I've had them before.

00:35:48.226 --> 00:35:51.088
And that's when you're too much in your

00:35:51.128 --> 00:35:51.588
emotions.

00:35:52.949 --> 00:35:56.331
I've learned that we have this kind of...

00:35:57.900 --> 00:35:58.641
Practical mind.

00:35:59.661 --> 00:36:03.063
And then we have this emotional mind,

00:36:03.103 --> 00:36:04.605
the practical mind and everything.

00:36:04.625 --> 00:36:05.684
It's more like the stoic.

00:36:06.146 --> 00:36:06.306
Like,

00:36:06.326 --> 00:36:07.467
I'm just going to get through things,

00:36:07.487 --> 00:36:09.467
going to put the feelings aside,

00:36:09.487 --> 00:36:10.347
the emotions aside.

00:36:11.028 --> 00:36:13.929
And I know that stoic within me got

00:36:13.949 --> 00:36:15.530
me through paralysis for a number of years

00:36:15.570 --> 00:36:17.052
where I kind of shut everything down,

00:36:17.512 --> 00:36:19.273
put my head down, was that athlete,

00:36:19.293 --> 00:36:21.074
didn't let anything bother me.

00:36:21.635 --> 00:36:23.436
But yet I suppressed all those emotions.

00:36:24.155 --> 00:36:25.476
And then we have something over here,

00:36:25.617 --> 00:36:26.856
which I experience as well,

00:36:27.297 --> 00:36:29.918
is the emotional mind in which, you know,

00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:31.418
a good place to be.

00:36:31.458 --> 00:36:32.798
But if we spend too much time there,

00:36:33.099 --> 00:36:34.079
that's when we spiral.

00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:35.719
That's when we spiral.

00:36:36.061 --> 00:36:37.420
And that's when we kind of feel like

00:36:37.460 --> 00:36:38.460
we're alone and no one's going to

00:36:38.481 --> 00:36:39.202
understand it much.

00:36:39.302 --> 00:36:40.661
It'll be much better if I wasn't here

00:36:40.681 --> 00:36:40.942
anymore.

00:36:41.362 --> 00:36:43.302
What I've learned is that the combination

00:36:43.342 --> 00:36:46.344
of the two and you put these together,

00:36:46.744 --> 00:36:48.925
this is like cognitive behavior therapy.

00:36:49.505 --> 00:36:49.965
And, um,

00:36:50.788 --> 00:36:55.233
it's just it's phenomenal is that um you

00:36:55.253 --> 00:36:56.333
put them together there's something called

00:36:56.353 --> 00:36:59.077
the wise mind so it's that balance between

00:36:59.177 --> 00:37:00.878
that stoicism to the point where you know

00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:01.820
i just gotta put my head down and

00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:05.224
do it and the emotional the the chew

00:37:05.264 --> 00:37:07.547
the balance of the two i'm not crying

00:37:07.606 --> 00:37:09.509
all day i'm not laughing all day

00:37:10.369 --> 00:37:11.891
And I'm not having my head to the

00:37:11.911 --> 00:37:14.172
ground and just being this stoic who feels

00:37:14.271 --> 00:37:14.952
nothing or whatever.

00:37:15.552 --> 00:37:18.514
I'm giving myself permission to feel

00:37:18.554 --> 00:37:20.476
whatever it is that I'm feeling in that

00:37:20.556 --> 00:37:20.896
moment.

00:37:21.896 --> 00:37:22.336
Judge it.

00:37:22.516 --> 00:37:23.478
Try to understand.

00:37:24.318 --> 00:37:26.920
And here are some questions that people

00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:28.239
can ask themselves, too, Jimmy,

00:37:29.021 --> 00:37:30.541
is that and whether they have a disability

00:37:30.561 --> 00:37:30.842
or not,

00:37:31.081 --> 00:37:32.762
because this could be someone who's lost a

00:37:32.822 --> 00:37:33.083
job.

00:37:33.103 --> 00:37:34.264
This could be someone who's like

00:37:34.324 --> 00:37:36.425
struggling as a physical therapist right

00:37:36.465 --> 00:37:36.565
now,

00:37:36.585 --> 00:37:37.505
whether it be professionally or

00:37:37.585 --> 00:37:37.925
personally.

00:37:38.606 --> 00:37:39.507
There's this why me.

00:37:41.315 --> 00:37:43.416
and um which i think we've all said

00:37:43.536 --> 00:37:47.458
at one time or another um i know

00:37:47.478 --> 00:37:49.039
there's been people including myself who

00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:51.521
said why not me like bring it on

00:37:51.561 --> 00:37:53.782
like i can handle anything i think the

00:37:53.842 --> 00:37:55.704
most powerful question we can have is why

00:37:55.764 --> 00:38:00.067
this why this why is this happening at

00:38:00.126 --> 00:38:02.628
this moment and everything and it's almost

00:38:02.648 --> 00:38:04.570
like owning what i have created

00:38:05.423 --> 00:38:06.844
But why this?

00:38:07.365 --> 00:38:09.867
And it usually gets me around to, oh,

00:38:10.387 --> 00:38:11.809
I'm not taking care of myself,

00:38:11.829 --> 00:38:13.590
whether it be emotionally, mentally,

00:38:13.650 --> 00:38:15.231
spiritually, physically or whatever,

00:38:15.713 --> 00:38:16.974
and not beating myself up,

00:38:17.173 --> 00:38:18.635
but getting around to, OK,

00:38:19.135 --> 00:38:23.179
this is why it's almost the way I

00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:23.619
say, Jimmy,

00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:24.980
this might sound a little bit weird.

00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:27.503
I feel like and please call this God,

00:38:27.563 --> 00:38:28.623
call this like a higher power.

00:38:29.981 --> 00:38:32.001
believe that there's this higher power

00:38:32.021 --> 00:38:34.282
that's constantly guiding us constantly

00:38:34.302 --> 00:38:35.664
guiding us and it's sending us on a

00:38:35.704 --> 00:38:37.505
path and everything and we're going and

00:38:37.545 --> 00:38:41.226
all of a sudden i'm gonna go in

00:38:41.246 --> 00:38:43.387
this direction and i almost think whether

00:38:43.407 --> 00:38:45.469
it be god or something saying are you

00:38:45.548 --> 00:38:48.289
kidding me look what i've pointed to over

00:38:48.349 --> 00:38:51.010
here look at how bright and amazing this

00:38:51.070 --> 00:38:52.072
is what you want

00:38:52.947 --> 00:38:54.068
but yet we've chosen to go in this

00:38:54.088 --> 00:38:54.447
direction.

00:38:54.467 --> 00:38:56.070
And he's like, all right, I'm coming.

00:38:56.610 --> 00:38:57.731
I'm coming along with you.

00:38:58.211 --> 00:38:59.333
There's going to be some pain.

00:38:59.813 --> 00:39:01.295
There's going to be some discomfort.

00:39:01.554 --> 00:39:03.137
There's going to be some challenges in

00:39:03.157 --> 00:39:03.797
this experience,

00:39:04.177 --> 00:39:05.858
but I'm letting you know I'm with you

00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:09.001
and I'm going to steer you back to

00:39:09.242 --> 00:39:09.663
where you

00:39:10.833 --> 00:39:13.016
You want to go deep down inside at

00:39:13.036 --> 00:39:15.556
your core, your passion, your purpose,

00:39:16.157 --> 00:39:17.878
your reason for being here.

00:39:18.498 --> 00:39:19.780
I'm going to steer you back there.

00:39:20.240 --> 00:39:21.382
And yet when we do that,

00:39:21.521 --> 00:39:24.643
all those experiences are going to help.

00:39:25.284 --> 00:39:26.425
They're going to reaffirm.

00:39:26.445 --> 00:39:27.885
They're going to tell you like what I

00:39:27.925 --> 00:39:28.947
don't want anymore.

00:39:30.628 --> 00:39:31.248
different phrase.

00:39:31.389 --> 00:39:31.929
Oh, wait a minute.

00:39:32.030 --> 00:39:33.550
I remember when I was this way.

00:39:34.791 --> 00:39:35.592
Don't want to do that anymore.

00:39:35.612 --> 00:39:36.853
Again, not beating up on yourself.

00:39:37.313 --> 00:39:37.572
Sure.

00:39:37.893 --> 00:39:39.373
Taking the past as that learning

00:39:39.454 --> 00:39:41.135
experience and being able to move forward.

00:39:41.994 --> 00:39:42.615
Good advice.

00:39:42.795 --> 00:39:44.317
There's no way I'm letting you get past

00:39:44.336 --> 00:39:44.496
this.

00:39:44.536 --> 00:39:46.117
I just wrote down hot coals.

00:39:47.878 --> 00:39:50.159
I'm going to need more than I walked

00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:51.860
on my hands on hot coals with Tony

00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:52.141
Robbins.

00:39:52.161 --> 00:39:54.603
I didn't talk about that at the APTA.

00:39:55.222 --> 00:39:57.264
By the way, anybody from the APTA,

00:39:57.724 --> 00:39:58.724
I want to come back.

00:39:59.164 --> 00:40:00.947
I was literally just thinking.

00:40:01.369 --> 00:40:03.351
I think my message was powerful back then.

00:40:05.074 --> 00:40:06.856
I got so much more to share.

00:40:07.336 --> 00:40:08.157
Yeah.

00:40:08.338 --> 00:40:10.242
With a lot of challenges.

00:40:10.422 --> 00:40:11.523
Well, you're in Jersey, right?

00:40:11.563 --> 00:40:12.224
Jersey, New York.

00:40:12.967 --> 00:40:13.927
I am in New Jersey.

00:40:13.947 --> 00:40:15.226
You know what I mean?

00:40:15.507 --> 00:40:17.527
You can't say that because about like a

00:40:17.608 --> 00:40:19.307
thousand of your listeners just dropped

00:40:19.347 --> 00:40:19.407
off.

00:40:19.427 --> 00:40:21.168
They're like, are you serious?

00:40:21.188 --> 00:40:22.349
We've been listening to this guy from

00:40:22.449 --> 00:40:23.809
Jersey give this advice?

00:40:24.128 --> 00:40:27.190
Well, I'm thinking APTA, New Jersey.

00:40:27.670 --> 00:40:28.889
I lived in Miami, Florida,

00:40:29.449 --> 00:40:30.869
and I've traveled around the world for a

00:40:30.909 --> 00:40:31.349
few years.

00:40:31.389 --> 00:40:32.190
So I'm kind of like,

00:40:32.210 --> 00:40:33.251
I don't want to say worldly.

00:40:33.550 --> 00:40:34.150
You're worldly.

00:40:34.490 --> 00:40:35.070
I am in Jersey.

00:40:35.090 --> 00:40:36.670
I'm about eight blocks from the beach

00:40:36.731 --> 00:40:37.150
right now.

00:40:37.331 --> 00:40:39.572
So if that's enticing anyone.

00:40:39.952 --> 00:40:41.813
so i gotta know it's still like so

00:40:41.833 --> 00:40:43.233
i need to hear the hot call story

00:40:43.273 --> 00:40:47.896
but is tony robbins tony robbins in real

00:40:47.936 --> 00:40:49.257
life like is he is is that a

00:40:49.297 --> 00:40:50.597
thing he puts on or is that who

00:40:50.637 --> 00:40:52.498
he is is what's does he does he

00:40:52.539 --> 00:40:55.541
turn that off or is that him tony

00:40:55.701 --> 00:41:00.364
is genuine and i'm gonna say like every

00:41:00.403 --> 00:41:02.605
speaker now i'm gonna lose some speakers

00:41:02.644 --> 00:41:04.746
here because i and i'm including myself

00:41:05.628 --> 00:41:07.293
There's a little bit of a shtick.

00:41:07.592 --> 00:41:08.614
You have to.

00:41:08.635 --> 00:41:09.998
There's exaggeration.

00:41:10.498 --> 00:41:12.182
There's embellishing.

00:41:14.130 --> 00:41:16.110
Well, you usually it's turning up.

00:41:16.250 --> 00:41:19.130
It's I was taught in radio to get

00:41:19.431 --> 00:41:21.472
me through this microphone to your ear.

00:41:21.512 --> 00:41:22.911
If I want you to feel a nine,

00:41:22.931 --> 00:41:24.211
I got to give you a thirteen.

00:41:24.431 --> 00:41:26.072
If I just put a nine through here,

00:41:26.693 --> 00:41:27.652
some of that is lost.

00:41:27.693 --> 00:41:29.873
So you have to project theater actors know

00:41:29.914 --> 00:41:30.634
this.

00:41:30.733 --> 00:41:31.134
Yep.

00:41:31.193 --> 00:41:31.753
Yep.

00:41:31.773 --> 00:41:32.914
There is some sense of that.

00:41:33.213 --> 00:41:34.434
And this is where we got to check

00:41:34.494 --> 00:41:34.614
in.

00:41:34.655 --> 00:41:36.175
And this is where I always like to

00:41:36.215 --> 00:41:36.414
say,

00:41:36.454 --> 00:41:37.914
because after I do a presentation or

00:41:37.934 --> 00:41:39.295
something, I like to check in.

00:41:39.356 --> 00:41:39.835
I was like, hmm.

00:41:40.452 --> 00:41:41.132
because I always have,

00:41:41.333 --> 00:41:42.655
I'll never have like note cards or

00:41:42.675 --> 00:41:42.916
whatever.

00:41:42.936 --> 00:41:44.277
I might have a PowerPoint or something,

00:41:44.838 --> 00:41:46.822
but I totally prepare and I have an

00:41:46.882 --> 00:41:47.242
outline.

00:41:48.398 --> 00:41:49.518
But I try to be so much in

00:41:49.539 --> 00:41:49.978
the moment.

00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.280
I try to feel the energy of my

00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.539
audience because there could be a story,

00:41:54.579 --> 00:41:55.800
an experience that I share,

00:41:56.501 --> 00:41:57.860
or there could be a tip or a

00:41:57.900 --> 00:41:59.360
strategy that I wasn't planning on

00:41:59.400 --> 00:41:59.721
sharing.

00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:00.940
But yet, wow, you know what?

00:42:00.981 --> 00:42:02.501
This feels totally appropriate right

00:42:02.521 --> 00:42:02.661
there.

00:42:04.081 --> 00:42:05.202
Tony is amazing.

00:42:05.762 --> 00:42:07.503
And what's happening lately with Tony is

00:42:07.523 --> 00:42:10.563
that like so many, I call them disciples.

00:42:10.862 --> 00:42:13.643
So many of Tony's disciples have found

00:42:13.684 --> 00:42:14.744
their way into my life.

00:42:15.583 --> 00:42:18.945
And one of those individuals who I'll

00:42:19.005 --> 00:42:19.746
never forget.

00:42:19.806 --> 00:42:22.268
So after I got done with the firewalk,

00:42:22.309 --> 00:42:24.710
and this was back in nineteen ninety

00:42:25.391 --> 00:42:25.831
seven,

00:42:26.751 --> 00:42:29.713
is that I did the firewalk and everything,

00:42:29.753 --> 00:42:30.494
which was great.

00:42:31.175 --> 00:42:33.835
And also there's this pole climbing.

00:42:34.077 --> 00:42:35.777
You climb up this huge pole and then

00:42:35.818 --> 00:42:38.039
you jump off the pole to this trapeze.

00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:39.599
And it's almost like breaking through the

00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:39.900
fear.

00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:41.561
Now, I couldn't do that.

00:42:42.222 --> 00:42:44.842
but i said to tone two things to

00:42:44.882 --> 00:42:46.603
tony tony i want to do this firewalk

00:42:46.643 --> 00:42:48.244
let's do it on my hands and everything

00:42:48.264 --> 00:42:49.664
you can hold my legs like a wheelbarrow

00:42:49.704 --> 00:42:50.885
race and he thought i was crazy but

00:42:50.905 --> 00:42:52.907
he's like okay i support you but then

00:42:52.947 --> 00:42:54.706
there was this telephone pole and it was

00:42:54.746 --> 00:42:56.268
like another thing my mind's telling me

00:42:56.288 --> 00:42:57.809
i'm the only one at this there's twenty

00:42:57.829 --> 00:42:59.588
five hundred people at this seminar back

00:42:59.608 --> 00:43:00.809
in ninety seven i'm the only one in

00:43:00.829 --> 00:43:02.851
the wheelchair so i don't want to be

00:43:02.891 --> 00:43:04.110
the only one so they ended up tying

00:43:04.130 --> 00:43:04.811
this string

00:43:05.572 --> 00:43:08.152
to this telephone pole that I got.

00:43:08.413 --> 00:43:10.514
I climbed up this entire rope,

00:43:10.954 --> 00:43:12.835
and then I reached over and grabbed the

00:43:12.855 --> 00:43:13.474
trapeze.

00:43:13.896 --> 00:43:14.956
And I couldn't jump.

00:43:15.016 --> 00:43:16.135
I couldn't do that, obviously,

00:43:16.195 --> 00:43:17.157
but I ended up doing it.

00:43:18.356 --> 00:43:19.617
Anyway, following morning,

00:43:20.936 --> 00:43:23.637
After all this is done is that people

00:43:23.697 --> 00:43:26.059
gather like in the space and it's really

00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:27.882
dark and he's just pumping music.

00:43:28.001 --> 00:43:28.262
I mean,

00:43:28.342 --> 00:43:29.583
I know some people have referred to it

00:43:29.623 --> 00:43:30.043
as a cult.

00:43:30.083 --> 00:43:30.744
It's not a cult.

00:43:30.864 --> 00:43:32.565
It's just tapping into your passion.

00:43:32.606 --> 00:43:33.666
It's tapping into everything.

00:43:33.706 --> 00:43:34.807
Tony's a genius at this.

00:43:35.688 --> 00:43:38.311
And all of a sudden he goes, Hey,

00:43:38.391 --> 00:43:40.672
and as everybody clap and he goes,

00:43:42.469 --> 00:43:44.271
to start off with this and he goes

00:43:44.311 --> 00:43:46.733
lights and all of a sudden something pops

00:43:46.773 --> 00:43:48.793
up on the screen now i'm going to

00:43:48.813 --> 00:43:52.918
cry i i just this is that i

00:43:52.958 --> 00:43:55.059
start hearing this song jump from van

00:43:55.099 --> 00:43:56.521
halen like they're playing it from the

00:43:56.541 --> 00:43:57.041
very beginning

00:43:57.902 --> 00:43:59.543
i didn't realize tony had someone

00:43:59.882 --> 00:44:01.543
videotaping me throughout the day

00:44:02.302 --> 00:44:03.903
videotaped they couldn't videotape the

00:44:03.943 --> 00:44:05.804
firewalk that was just because they with

00:44:05.824 --> 00:44:07.045
the lights and everything at that time i

00:44:07.065 --> 00:44:08.686
know technology is better now but they

00:44:08.726 --> 00:44:09.945
didn't want any flashing lights because

00:44:09.965 --> 00:44:11.085
that could get you out of state and

00:44:11.106 --> 00:44:12.427
you could get burned even though we signed

00:44:12.447 --> 00:44:14.947
waivers but he had someone follow me when

00:44:14.987 --> 00:44:16.347
i was going to climb up that telephone

00:44:16.387 --> 00:44:18.889
pole and he's playing a song jump and

00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:21.530
i'm doing it in slow motion and so

00:44:21.590 --> 00:44:21.789
like

00:44:22.391 --> 00:44:22.873
my team,

00:44:22.913 --> 00:44:24.134
cause y'all and teams and everything,

00:44:24.153 --> 00:44:25.054
they're like, ah, that's great.

00:44:25.074 --> 00:44:25.474
And everything.

00:44:25.494 --> 00:44:26.876
And I was like, just shaking my head,

00:44:26.896 --> 00:44:28.358
like totally embarrassed and everything.

00:44:28.978 --> 00:44:29.818
And then all of a sudden he goes,

00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:30.500
well,

00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:31.701
why don't we bring Scott up here to

00:44:31.721 --> 00:44:32.322
say a few words?

00:44:32.342 --> 00:44:34.384
Oh, no, no.

00:44:34.423 --> 00:44:34.844
Mind you,

00:44:35.003 --> 00:44:36.826
I had been speaking at that time,

00:44:36.945 --> 00:44:37.947
but like,

00:44:38.427 --> 00:44:40.849
like big time Robbins and being prepared.

00:44:41.309 --> 00:44:41.831
And I'm like,

00:44:43.771 --> 00:44:45.552
So they ended up a bunch of his

00:44:45.612 --> 00:44:47.092
trainers and everything carrying me,

00:44:47.152 --> 00:44:48.072
put me on stage.

00:44:48.152 --> 00:44:49.594
Tony and I have like this big embrace.

00:44:49.614 --> 00:44:50.273
I whisper in his ear.

00:44:50.293 --> 00:44:50.594
I was like,

00:44:50.934 --> 00:44:52.275
I'm going to get you back for this

00:44:52.375 --> 00:44:52.494
one.

00:44:53.474 --> 00:44:55.275
I spoke for about ten minutes coming from

00:44:55.335 --> 00:44:55.835
my heart.

00:44:56.815 --> 00:44:57.695
I get down.

00:44:57.815 --> 00:44:58.556
I'm coming down.

00:44:58.695 --> 00:45:00.137
And his top trainer at the time,

00:45:00.157 --> 00:45:01.416
his name is Keurig Ashley.

00:45:01.916 --> 00:45:03.677
He's like the Tony Robbins of Australia

00:45:03.717 --> 00:45:03.838
now.

00:45:03.878 --> 00:45:04.818
Just an amazing man.

00:45:05.338 --> 00:45:06.639
He just says to me, go, Scott.

00:45:07.648 --> 00:45:09.608
In all my years of working for Tony,

00:45:09.789 --> 00:45:11.509
I have never seen him captivate an

00:45:11.588 --> 00:45:12.670
audience the way you did.

00:45:13.010 --> 00:45:14.769
He goes, this is your passion.

00:45:15.190 --> 00:45:16.110
This is your purpose.

00:45:16.590 --> 00:45:19.492
If there's anything that it's like any

00:45:19.512 --> 00:45:21.672
kind of belief that's going on inside,

00:45:21.713 --> 00:45:23.172
to the contrary, he goes,

00:45:23.353 --> 00:45:24.353
you got to push through that.

00:45:25.134 --> 00:45:26.994
And I'll never forget that because it gave

00:45:27.014 --> 00:45:29.237
me that confidence to kind of like really,

00:45:29.277 --> 00:45:32.358
really launch my speaking when I was

00:45:32.398 --> 00:45:34.119
traveling around the world and doing

00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:34.740
different things.

00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.661
But yeah, getting back to Tony Robbins,

00:45:38.523 --> 00:45:39.623
he has challenges.

00:45:39.943 --> 00:45:42.226
I mean, he's gone through a marriage.

00:45:42.346 --> 00:45:43.425
I mean, he's married again.

00:45:44.166 --> 00:45:45.146
He's had some financial.

00:45:45.206 --> 00:45:47.068
He's made some investments in some

00:45:47.168 --> 00:45:48.230
companies that you would have thought

00:45:48.289 --> 00:45:49.931
would have taken off, and they didn't.

00:45:50.471 --> 00:45:51.371
And he's had some challenges.

00:45:51.391 --> 00:45:51.871
But you know what?

00:45:51.992 --> 00:45:54.574
Tony just keeps going.

00:45:55.293 --> 00:45:56.496
Tony finds a way,

00:45:56.655 --> 00:45:58.036
loves connecting with people,

00:45:58.797 --> 00:46:01.041
loves connecting people in general,

00:46:01.742 --> 00:46:02.382
and so forth,

00:46:02.523 --> 00:46:04.784
and has also evolved his work.

00:46:04.945 --> 00:46:07.708
Even during the pandemic, Tony,

00:46:07.728 --> 00:46:10.391
who's gathered millions,

00:46:10.731 --> 00:46:12.092
hundreds of millions of people,

00:46:12.793 --> 00:46:15.235
in like huge auditoriums convention

00:46:15.295 --> 00:46:19.115
centers he's now got like the biggest zoom

00:46:19.135 --> 00:46:21.036
following in the world and it's not that

00:46:21.056 --> 00:46:22.898
but he's realizing i still need to connect

00:46:22.918 --> 00:46:25.338
with people so tony i i will always

00:46:25.998 --> 00:46:27.260
and people like scott you're like the tony

00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:29.000
robbins in a wheelchair it's like ah okay

00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:30.521
uh but um

00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:33.422
No, Tony is one of my greatest teachers,

00:46:33.521 --> 00:46:34.603
as is Deepak Chopra.

00:46:34.902 --> 00:46:35.963
And I love the combination.

00:46:35.983 --> 00:46:37.443
So Tony's all about movement.

00:46:37.985 --> 00:46:40.045
Tony's all about like creating like

00:46:40.065 --> 00:46:41.166
whatever you want outside of you,

00:46:41.186 --> 00:46:41.766
which is great.

00:46:41.827 --> 00:46:43.086
I mean, he goes inward too,

00:46:43.666 --> 00:46:45.327
but Deepak goes inward.

00:46:45.507 --> 00:46:46.789
He wants you to create this life inside.

00:46:47.088 --> 00:46:49.449
So to have the opportunity before I

00:46:49.510 --> 00:46:52.052
launched my travels to work with both of

00:46:52.092 --> 00:46:54.472
these individuals on a certain level was

00:46:54.512 --> 00:46:56.333
just like the perfect storm.

00:46:57.474 --> 00:46:58.494
But like everyone, I mean,

00:46:58.534 --> 00:46:59.835
Tony is an amazing man.

00:47:00.456 --> 00:47:02.677
And he's human born to make mistakes,

00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:04.860
learn from those mistakes and move on with

00:47:04.900 --> 00:47:06.201
his life.

00:47:06.240 --> 00:47:06.460
So,

00:47:06.742 --> 00:47:09.563
so what's going through your mind or how

00:47:09.583 --> 00:47:10.965
do they prepare you to be walking on

00:47:11.005 --> 00:47:11.326
cold?

00:47:11.365 --> 00:47:12.606
Like what?

00:47:13.067 --> 00:47:16.610
So I have to know because I love

00:47:16.630 --> 00:47:18.652
that because there was a part of me

00:47:18.672 --> 00:47:20.293
that I'm over to the side and everything.

00:47:20.353 --> 00:47:22.396
And I'm hearing that people are going to

00:47:22.456 --> 00:47:23.777
walk along like crazy.

00:47:24.402 --> 00:47:27.045
a path of burning hot coals and he's

00:47:27.085 --> 00:47:29.349
talking people about like it's all about

00:47:29.409 --> 00:47:31.411
like the mindset and again getting back to

00:47:31.451 --> 00:47:33.914
the mind so basically he didn't want

00:47:33.954 --> 00:47:36.076
anyone looking down at the coals he wanted

00:47:36.135 --> 00:47:37.838
everyone looking up and saying the world's

00:47:38.057 --> 00:47:40.260
words cool moss meaning cool ground cool

00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.182
moss cool moss cool moss now as i

00:47:42.222 --> 00:47:44.344
shared with you before we all sign waivers

00:47:45.025 --> 00:47:46.206
Um, like if you got burned,

00:47:46.505 --> 00:47:47.907
I will tell you that night,

00:47:47.967 --> 00:47:49.766
people got burned and not to judge them,

00:47:49.987 --> 00:47:51.467
but at some point they looked down,

00:47:51.606 --> 00:47:52.927
I'm on burning hot coals mine.

00:47:52.967 --> 00:47:53.487
This is hot.

00:47:53.567 --> 00:47:55.268
I'm going to get burned and they got

00:47:55.327 --> 00:47:55.668
burned.

00:47:56.027 --> 00:47:57.788
They not terrible burns,

00:47:57.827 --> 00:47:58.947
but burn enough to the point where they

00:47:59.047 --> 00:48:01.369
jumped off the path of burning hot coals.

00:48:02.528 --> 00:48:04.248
What was interesting when I told Tony this

00:48:04.289 --> 00:48:05.849
and everything, and I said, listen,

00:48:05.889 --> 00:48:06.050
I want,

00:48:06.090 --> 00:48:07.150
I want to do it on my hands.

00:48:07.170 --> 00:48:08.690
You can hold my legs and everything.

00:48:08.849 --> 00:48:10.170
But if you're telling me this is mind

00:48:10.210 --> 00:48:10.990
over matter, it's like,

00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:11.990
it doesn't matter if I do it on

00:48:12.010 --> 00:48:13.210
my feet or if I do it on

00:48:13.251 --> 00:48:13.670
my hands.

00:48:14.521 --> 00:48:16.983
So I had had like people hold my

00:48:17.043 --> 00:48:17.543
legs before,

00:48:17.563 --> 00:48:19.445
like when I was nursing a pressure sore

00:48:19.465 --> 00:48:21.405
or something on my bottom to get upstairs,

00:48:21.445 --> 00:48:22.405
to go different places.

00:48:22.485 --> 00:48:23.606
My arms are very strong,

00:48:23.626 --> 00:48:24.347
so I'm able to do that.

00:48:24.387 --> 00:48:25.588
So I didn't have any problem with that.

00:48:26.128 --> 00:48:26.929
So Tony said, well,

00:48:27.088 --> 00:48:28.409
let me just share with you something,

00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:28.610
Scott.

00:48:28.630 --> 00:48:29.349
He goes, you know,

00:48:29.369 --> 00:48:31.030
this little patch of burning hot coals

00:48:31.070 --> 00:48:31.471
over there.

00:48:31.510 --> 00:48:33.211
And all of a sudden I'm like, yeah.

00:48:33.793 --> 00:48:34.213
And I'm like,

00:48:34.532 --> 00:48:35.793
at first I'm like in this place of

00:48:35.853 --> 00:48:37.474
denial, I'm like burning hot coals.

00:48:37.514 --> 00:48:39.695
Like I'm not realizing the severity of

00:48:39.735 --> 00:48:39.936
this.

00:48:40.315 --> 00:48:41.217
So I reached down, I'm like,

00:48:42.036 --> 00:48:44.898
these are burning hot coals like how am

00:48:44.958 --> 00:48:46.199
i gonna and then all of a sudden

00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.061
the fear started to come in but i

00:48:48.081 --> 00:48:50.302
had trained myself quickly to move past

00:48:50.342 --> 00:48:53.585
that i like to say to do a

00:48:53.626 --> 00:48:55.166
head heart shift and this is something

00:48:55.226 --> 00:48:57.628
else that i would suggest to all of

00:48:57.648 --> 00:49:00.690
our pts out there to suggest with um

00:49:00.710 --> 00:49:02.351
those people and thank you jimmy you're

00:49:02.391 --> 00:49:04.233
tapping into this now is that

00:49:05.074 --> 00:49:07.175
Like we answer to our minds what our

00:49:07.215 --> 00:49:08.036
minds have to say.

00:49:08.677 --> 00:49:10.318
I'm saying answer to this.

00:49:10.617 --> 00:49:11.878
When the mind is leading the way,

00:49:11.998 --> 00:49:13.739
it's about fear, disbelief,

00:49:13.820 --> 00:49:15.780
playing small in life, okay?

00:49:16.322 --> 00:49:17.483
When your heart's leading the way,

00:49:17.702 --> 00:49:19.844
it's about belief.

00:49:20.043 --> 00:49:21.065
It's about growth.

00:49:21.224 --> 00:49:22.846
It's about subscribing to the belief that

00:49:23.126 --> 00:49:24.286
anything is possible.

00:49:24.887 --> 00:49:26.228
So I like to say if we're here

00:49:26.449 --> 00:49:27.969
where fear resides,

00:49:27.989 --> 00:49:29.990
it's the only place fear resides, is that,

00:49:30.070 --> 00:49:30.331
okay,

00:49:30.411 --> 00:49:31.532
this is what my mind has to say.

00:49:32.052 --> 00:49:33.213
What does my heart have to say?

00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:36.375
And my heart said, just do it.

00:49:36.835 --> 00:49:38.157
And that's why I love the Nike slogan.

00:49:38.257 --> 00:49:39.880
It's almost like, just do it,

00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:40.661
think about it later.

00:49:42.081 --> 00:49:43.422
And it's not to say just go out

00:49:43.461 --> 00:49:45.262
there haphazardly because my heart says

00:49:45.302 --> 00:49:45.523
that.

00:49:46.063 --> 00:49:47.963
But it's not spending too much time here

00:49:47.983 --> 00:49:49.884
because ultimately it's going to get you.

00:49:50.023 --> 00:49:51.025
It's not about creation.

00:49:51.405 --> 00:49:52.525
It's not about processing.

00:49:52.806 --> 00:49:54.226
It's not about taking necessary

00:49:54.266 --> 00:49:54.726
precautions.

00:49:54.786 --> 00:49:55.766
I agree with all that.

00:49:56.427 --> 00:49:58.367
But if you linger there too long,

00:49:58.387 --> 00:49:59.947
you're going to move to a place of

00:50:00.027 --> 00:50:01.469
fear and disbelief.

00:50:02.168 --> 00:50:04.250
So in that moment, my heart just said,

00:50:04.309 --> 00:50:05.030
you know what?

00:50:05.090 --> 00:50:05.590
Find a way.

00:50:06.485 --> 00:50:08.846
find a way and so that's when i

00:50:08.885 --> 00:50:10.146
talked to tony moore about it but he

00:50:10.186 --> 00:50:11.706
said to me he goes okay scott it

00:50:11.746 --> 00:50:12.887
sounds like you're prepared but it's not

00:50:12.907 --> 00:50:14.347
going to be this little patch of burning

00:50:14.367 --> 00:50:16.987
hot coals there's a path forty feet long

00:50:17.027 --> 00:50:19.108
and he points off into the distance of

00:50:19.168 --> 00:50:21.409
burning hot coals and he said whatever you

00:50:21.489 --> 00:50:22.929
want in life is waiting for you on

00:50:22.969 --> 00:50:25.489
the other end now folks i i can

00:50:25.550 --> 00:50:27.269
remember this is when i really which i

00:50:27.570 --> 00:50:29.210
again another thing see jimmy you're a

00:50:29.351 --> 00:50:31.871
mastermind of tapping into these things

00:50:32.211 --> 00:50:33.271
creative visualization

00:50:34.389 --> 00:50:35.429
What it is that you want to create,

00:50:35.469 --> 00:50:36.369
put on some good music,

00:50:36.409 --> 00:50:37.849
do it in silence, whatever you want,

00:50:38.250 --> 00:50:40.190
visualize it on the screen of your mind.

00:50:40.590 --> 00:50:41.931
Make it to the point where you open

00:50:41.951 --> 00:50:42.271
your eyes.

00:50:42.331 --> 00:50:43.271
It's almost a reality.

00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:44.851
So he said, Scott,

00:50:45.572 --> 00:50:46.871
I want you to imagine whatever you want

00:50:46.891 --> 00:50:48.291
in life is waiting for you on the

00:50:48.311 --> 00:50:49.492
other side of these coals.

00:50:50.233 --> 00:50:51.773
So I remember closing my eyes and I

00:50:51.813 --> 00:50:53.813
remember walking along the beach,

00:50:54.514 --> 00:50:57.275
holding my wife's hand with one hand and

00:50:57.295 --> 00:50:58.514
a child's hand with the other hand.

00:50:59.402 --> 00:51:00.563
Folks,

00:51:00.583 --> 00:51:02.226
you could put broken glass down in front

00:51:02.246 --> 00:51:02.346
of me.

00:51:02.365 --> 00:51:03.786
There was nothing that was gonna stop me.

00:51:03.947 --> 00:51:04.668
It was my time,

00:51:04.728 --> 00:51:05.708
I got down on the ground.

00:51:06.409 --> 00:51:09.032
Now, yes, told to look up,

00:51:09.112 --> 00:51:09.952
not at the coals.

00:51:11.161 --> 00:51:12.983
My face is basically in the coals.

00:51:13.822 --> 00:51:16.545
My hands broke a couple coals.

00:51:16.646 --> 00:51:18.126
I just shattered them.

00:51:18.327 --> 00:51:19.288
And you might say, okay,

00:51:19.387 --> 00:51:21.289
now the rational mind's getting into

00:51:21.329 --> 00:51:21.570
place.

00:51:22.070 --> 00:51:23.130
How do you do something like this?

00:51:23.490 --> 00:51:24.833
The only way I can describe it,

00:51:24.873 --> 00:51:25.253
first of all,

00:51:25.293 --> 00:51:27.355
I don't believe everything needs to be

00:51:27.994 --> 00:51:28.856
determined in life.

00:51:28.896 --> 00:51:30.436
Sometimes there's just a trust in the

00:51:30.476 --> 00:51:30.998
process.

00:51:31.038 --> 00:51:32.619
And I don't have to know.

00:51:32.998 --> 00:51:34.481
One of the main things I'm sharing with

00:51:34.701 --> 00:51:35.280
people these days,

00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.003
including CEOs of companies,

00:51:38.148 --> 00:51:39.550
three of the most powerful words you could

00:51:39.590 --> 00:51:41.413
ever use is I don't know.

00:51:42.574 --> 00:51:45.239
Tell your staff that tell your patients

00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:46.561
that, but say, listen,

00:51:46.762 --> 00:51:48.505
I'm with you and we're going to find

00:51:48.545 --> 00:51:49.085
out together.

00:51:50.547 --> 00:51:51.188
So, um,

00:51:52.528 --> 00:51:54.650
I'm there, and I get down.

00:51:54.750 --> 00:51:55.851
I guess the best way I could describe

00:51:55.871 --> 00:51:55.911
it,

00:51:55.931 --> 00:51:57.391
because I get done with this forty-foot

00:51:57.431 --> 00:51:57.690
path,

00:51:57.710 --> 00:51:59.472
and all of a sudden there's a couple

00:51:59.492 --> 00:52:01.152
people with hoses there who hose you down.

00:52:01.612 --> 00:52:02.954
And Tony, who's a huge man,

00:52:02.974 --> 00:52:04.894
he's like six, seven, six feet.

00:52:04.934 --> 00:52:06.054
I hit him on the back of the

00:52:06.114 --> 00:52:06.996
knee to collapse.

00:52:07.016 --> 00:52:07.996
I'm like so excited.

00:52:08.016 --> 00:52:08.775
I hit him on the back of the

00:52:08.795 --> 00:52:08.876
knee.

00:52:09.135 --> 00:52:10.536
He falls right next to me.

00:52:11.137 --> 00:52:12.217
I jump on top of him.

00:52:12.237 --> 00:52:13.498
I was like, let's do it again.

00:52:13.617 --> 00:52:14.518
He just takes my face.

00:52:14.539 --> 00:52:15.619
He goes, you're nuts.

00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.059
And he pushes me away.

00:52:17.099 --> 00:52:18.760
I was just in such a state.

00:52:19.570 --> 00:52:21.452
But here's the thing that I tell people.

00:52:22.152 --> 00:52:23.094
We've heard stories,

00:52:23.253 --> 00:52:25.436
maybe not like those personally,

00:52:25.496 --> 00:52:27.338
but we've heard stories before of people

00:52:27.418 --> 00:52:29.820
racing into a burning building and saving

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:31.521
a child or something and coming away

00:52:31.561 --> 00:52:32.041
unscathed.

00:52:33.983 --> 00:52:34.983
Is it adrenaline?

00:52:35.525 --> 00:52:36.806
Is it just a belief?

00:52:37.306 --> 00:52:38.427
Is it just luck?

00:52:39.108 --> 00:52:40.128
Whatever the case is,

00:52:40.369 --> 00:52:42.070
all I know is that there was not

00:52:42.490 --> 00:52:43.492
one part of me

00:52:44.686 --> 00:52:48.289
that focused on these calls hurting me.

00:52:49.110 --> 00:52:51.170
It was almost like this is the path

00:52:51.251 --> 00:52:53.512
I need to take to get to myself

00:52:53.572 --> 00:52:54.693
walking along the beach,

00:52:55.213 --> 00:52:56.914
holding my wife's hand with one hand and

00:52:56.954 --> 00:52:58.155
holding a child's hand with the other

00:52:58.175 --> 00:52:58.335
hand.

00:52:58.815 --> 00:52:59.396
And nothing,

00:52:59.615 --> 00:53:02.137
nothing is gonna come between me and that

00:53:02.177 --> 00:53:02.478
dream.

00:53:02.637 --> 00:53:05.300
And while I went from a two percent

00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:07.001
chance of fathering my own children to a

00:53:07.061 --> 00:53:08.322
fifty-five percent chance,

00:53:08.461 --> 00:53:09.601
that's what I wanted to do more than

00:53:09.641 --> 00:53:10.242
walk in again.

00:53:11.313 --> 00:53:11.974
The walking,

00:53:12.496 --> 00:53:14.579
I'm looking and I'm going to say to

00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:16.985
everyone out there, it's coming.

00:53:17.905 --> 00:53:19.329
It's coming.

00:53:20.291 --> 00:53:23.215
And sooner rather than later.

00:53:23.905 --> 00:53:25.085
And I have no problem saying that I'm

00:53:25.144 --> 00:53:27.085
not in a place of like desperation or

00:53:27.126 --> 00:53:27.425
anything.

00:53:27.925 --> 00:53:30.106
I just realized that the time has come,

00:53:30.407 --> 00:53:33.027
I've taken away as many of the lessons

00:53:33.447 --> 00:53:36.027
and learnings from this paralyzing

00:53:36.108 --> 00:53:36.648
experience.

00:53:37.268 --> 00:53:39.168
I'm ready to give back this gift because

00:53:39.208 --> 00:53:39.889
I will give it.

00:53:40.369 --> 00:53:41.909
It's a gift and it's also a curse,

00:53:42.929 --> 00:53:44.550
but life would be much,

00:53:44.650 --> 00:53:48.411
much easier on my feet with movement

00:53:48.451 --> 00:53:51.572
again, in every way across the board.

00:53:52.389 --> 00:53:53.610
I don't care if I have to adjust

00:53:53.670 --> 00:53:54.010
again,

00:53:54.369 --> 00:53:55.710
like a little baby and learning how to

00:53:55.751 --> 00:53:56.371
walk or move.

00:53:57.012 --> 00:53:58.313
And maybe it's just standing in my own

00:53:58.353 --> 00:53:58.652
spot.

00:53:59.333 --> 00:54:01.554
Maybe I'm not going to be able to

00:54:01.855 --> 00:54:03.074
totally eliminate the wheelchair.

00:54:03.536 --> 00:54:04.096
I'm not sure.

00:54:04.615 --> 00:54:07.458
All I know is that it's coming.

00:54:07.538 --> 00:54:07.958
It's coming.

00:54:09.838 --> 00:54:10.318
Powerful.

00:54:10.978 --> 00:54:12.318
If people wanted to follow along,

00:54:12.378 --> 00:54:14.539
is there a place on this digital landscape

00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:16.019
known as the Internet that you want people

00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:17.300
to contact you?

00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:19.201
And where would you suggest they reach you

00:54:19.240 --> 00:54:19.360
out?

00:54:20.081 --> 00:54:21.762
I would say go to my website first,

00:54:21.942 --> 00:54:24.123
because there you can click on all the

00:54:24.163 --> 00:54:25.782
links to my social media handles.

00:54:25.842 --> 00:54:27.063
I mean, if you're a LinkedIn person,

00:54:27.123 --> 00:54:30.224
Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,

00:54:30.244 --> 00:54:31.465
I'm not a big I see.

00:54:31.485 --> 00:54:32.806
I don't even say what is it now?

00:54:33.025 --> 00:54:33.045
X.

00:54:33.846 --> 00:54:34.606
Not a big guy on there,

00:54:34.626 --> 00:54:35.788
but I go on there from time to

00:54:35.807 --> 00:54:35.887
time.

00:54:35.907 --> 00:54:36.949
But if you go to my website,

00:54:36.989 --> 00:54:38.670
you will see on the front page a

00:54:38.791 --> 00:54:40.072
link to all of these.

00:54:40.233 --> 00:54:42.494
So scotchesney.com.

00:54:43.135 --> 00:54:44.237
No relation to Kenny.

00:54:45.438 --> 00:54:45.518
Oh,

00:54:45.538 --> 00:54:46.759
can I tell a quick story about that?

00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:48.201
Yeah.

00:54:48.561 --> 00:54:49.802
So I'm giving a huge,

00:54:49.862 --> 00:54:52.005
huge presentation in Tennessee and

00:54:52.045 --> 00:54:52.565
Nashville.

00:54:54.708 --> 00:54:55.248
It's at the...

00:54:57.083 --> 00:54:58.724
gaylord hotel where they have almost like

00:54:58.744 --> 00:55:01.204
a city unto itself give this presentation

00:55:01.545 --> 00:55:03.266
car service is supposed to be picking me

00:55:03.306 --> 00:55:04.786
up immediately following taking me to the

00:55:04.806 --> 00:55:07.347
airport so i realized that by the time

00:55:07.387 --> 00:55:09.009
i got done talking to people afterwards

00:55:09.028 --> 00:55:10.550
and everything is that like i got ten

00:55:10.590 --> 00:55:11.911
minutes to spare so i'm gonna go to

00:55:11.931 --> 00:55:14.351
the bathroom i'll go use the bathroom i

00:55:14.391 --> 00:55:16.393
come out and in this hallway of this

00:55:16.432 --> 00:55:19.755
hotel there's i want to say there's like

00:55:19.795 --> 00:55:23.235
five hundred people maybe more and what

00:55:23.275 --> 00:55:23.757
they saw

00:55:24.797 --> 00:55:26.719
is that they saw a sign that said

00:55:26.798 --> 00:55:27.219
Chesney.

00:55:28.579 --> 00:55:29.278
Not Scott.

00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:31.980
Everyone there,

00:55:32.019 --> 00:55:33.581
given that we're in Nashville, Tennessee,

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thought Kenny Chesney was being picked up.

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So all of a sudden I come over

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there and I'm just like, I'm Chesney.

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I'm Chesney right away.

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People just like shook their heads and

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they moved away.

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We wasted the good food prize on you.

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I had other people who came up to

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me who had heard of Kenny Chesney,

00:55:52.186 --> 00:55:53.626
but didn't like heard of his music and

00:55:53.646 --> 00:55:53.847
everything,

00:55:53.867 --> 00:55:55.168
but knew nothing of what he looked like,

00:55:55.487 --> 00:55:56.068
who came over,

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put their hand on my shoulder, said,

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oh my God, Kenny, what happened?

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Thinking that now I'm in a wheelchair

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because of something.

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I shared the story with him.

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I've never cleared a place as quickly as

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I did then.

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I am face to face with my driver.

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And I said, one day, I don't know,

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but one day someone's going to ask Kenny,

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do you know who Scott is?

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gonna happen if it's happened but i was

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like someday that's gonna happen but

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that's uh i got more hair than kenny

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but otherwise yeah kenny is the man i

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love it all right uh last thing we

00:56:26.315 --> 00:56:27.936
do on the show is called uh the

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parting shot this is the parting shot one

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last mic drop moment no pressure just your

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legacy on the line

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So Parting Shot, just your chance.

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To either reiterate something you said

00:57:04.262 --> 00:57:06.065
before, say something new,

00:57:06.686 --> 00:57:08.329
whatever your soapbox statement, mic drop,

00:57:08.349 --> 00:57:09.210
whatever you want to leave with the

00:57:09.250 --> 00:57:10.793
audience, this is your chance.

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Folks,

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no matter where you are in your life,

00:57:15.628 --> 00:57:17.088
just know that you're not alone.

00:57:17.907 --> 00:57:19.807
You don't have to go through this internal

00:57:19.827 --> 00:57:20.949
struggle anymore.

00:57:21.309 --> 00:57:23.628
You can absolutely go within.

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And I know it's kind of like a

00:57:25.489 --> 00:57:27.170
theory by just saying that or whatever,

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but there's plenty of ways.

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You're going to be the one who's in

00:57:30.349 --> 00:57:30.750
charge.

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You're going to be the tour guide and

00:57:32.431 --> 00:57:32.871
so forth,

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but allow other people into your life to

00:57:36.510 --> 00:57:37.632
help facilitate this.

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You will...

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Be so grateful.

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And that's what life's all about,

00:57:42.014 --> 00:57:44.014
is being grateful for every single

00:57:44.054 --> 00:57:44.456
experience,

00:57:44.496 --> 00:57:46.356
knowing full well that it's led you,

00:57:46.396 --> 00:57:49.179
it's led me to where I am,

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speaking with the famous Jimmy right now

00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:52.300
and everything.

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So please, folks, do yourself a favor.

00:57:56.164 --> 00:57:56.864
Do yourself a favor.

00:57:56.923 --> 00:57:57.324
Go within.

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Great advice.

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Scott,

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appreciate you having back on the show.

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Good to catch up.

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And I don't think it'll be the last

00:58:03.748 --> 00:58:05.570
time, but I appreciate the time.

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Thank you, Jimmy.

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Thank you so much for the opportunity.

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That's it for this one,

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but we're just getting warmed up.

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Smash follow, send it to a friend,

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or crank up the next episode.

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Want to go deeper?

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Hit us at pgpinecast.com or find us on

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And legally, none of this was advice.

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It's for entertainment purposes only.

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Bullshit!

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See, Keith?

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We read the script.

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Happy now?