Steve Anderson’s Greatest Hits: 10 Leadership Lessons That Stick

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got him on too okay steve

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anderson welcome back to

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the show well thank you

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it's been a while I think

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it was during the pandemic

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we uh we did one so yeah

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and it's always fun to talk

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to other podcasters in the

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beginning it felt weird

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right it felt like

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self-aggrandizing like

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podcast it's obviously

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there's just like a uh a

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crossover episode remember

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back in the eighties

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They would do like character crossovers,

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like the Fonz would show up

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on some other show that

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didn't make any sense,

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but they'd crossover.

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Yeah, there you go.

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And now I feel like people get it.

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And it's like this Venn

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diagram where people might

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have but have never heard of my show.

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And now they listen to yours

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and vice versa.

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And it sort of works.

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Yeah, yeah, it does.

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Well, thanks for having me on.

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I appreciate it.

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So give people the thirty

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thousand foot view if they

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haven't tuned in since

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since the throes of covid.

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You were the leader of a I mean,

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I guess a decently large

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organization up in the Pacific Northwest.

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You had a couple of clinics

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up there and then you've

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you've you've done other

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things in terms of coaching

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and things like that with your insight.

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So what do you when you're a

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cocktail party and someone say,

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what do you do, Steve?

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How do you answer?

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Well,

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I'll start from the current and go

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backwards.

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So what I do now is I'm semi-retired,

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but I do executive coaching.

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So I work with high-level executives,

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some in the physical therapy world,

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but not all.

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And so I do that coaching,

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and then I have my podcast on the side.

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And the podcast is called

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Profiles in Leadership.

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I'm going on eight years now,

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which seems like a long time.

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Crazy.

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I've interviewed over two

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hundred and thirty,

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thirty five people and which is, you know,

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been very interesting, learned a ton.

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And then before that,

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what you're referring to,

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I was the CEO of Therapeutic Associates,

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which is a private practice

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physical therapy company in

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the Pacific Northwest,

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which I still I believe is

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still the largest privately

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owned company.

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uh private practice in the

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nation I think they're up

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to about a hundred and ten

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or or more clinics now and

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uh yeah it was a great

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experience I was a ceo

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there for nineteen years

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and so um that's uh let's

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say I'm a pt obviously and

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uh started out you know in

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a clinic as a staff pt

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became a clinic director

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and then eventually I was

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elected to the uh ceo of

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the company and did that

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for nineteen years

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Well,

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so obviously that that experience for

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nineteen years sort of

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qualifies you to give

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executive leadership advice to people,

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which is, you know,

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probably not easy to come by.

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Right.

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There's not many people

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who've done something like

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that for nineteen years who

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are now also saying to

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someone who either wants to

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do it or who is doing it,

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wants to do it better.

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Not a whole lot of people

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who do what you do, I imagine.

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well it's you know it's

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interesting you say that

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because there's a million

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business coaches now and

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leadership coaches and

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whatever but uh it is I

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always do scratch my head

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sometimes when I see uh you

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know a business coach uh

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you know um uh this has

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never run a business yeah

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so it's kind of interesting

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so I do hope that it gives

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me some uh insight experience and

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and knowledge you know boots

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on the ground type of thing

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that I think is valuable

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and you know you can read

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the books and and uh you

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know hear the speeches and

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all that but experience I'm

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not sure you can buy so

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that's just something that

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you either have or you

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don't yeah you've you've

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been there done that fallen

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into a trap figured out how

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not to fall in that trap

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and that's what that's what

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you buy with insight is

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that person is seen and

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done even if it was twenty five years ago

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I imagine things like AI.

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Well, how does Steve understand AI?

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But you're saying, okay,

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there's a new thing that's come on.

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How is my business going to react to it?

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It doesn't matter if it's AI

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or something different.

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I imagine the thought processes, at least,

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maybe not these steps,

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but the thought processes

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are probably pretty similar.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And another thing that...

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you know,

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people pay me for and they don't

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probably realize it when

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they hire me and sometimes

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don't even realize it when

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I'm working with them.

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But I feel like, you know,

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I have experience, so I know a lot.

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But what you're also paying

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for is I know a lot of people.

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So, you know, I can say, hey, you know,

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I don't maybe I'm not on

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the cutting edge of AI

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other than what we all know.

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So here's a guy that I know

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that I've talked to,

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and then I can make that

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connection and make that introduction.

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Right.

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It's when people watch Shark

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Tank and they go, well, yeah,

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of course they're getting

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money from Cuban.

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That's valuable.

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I go, yeah,

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but they also now get a warm

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introduction.

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They know now they get they

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know what Cuban knows and

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they get to be introduced

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to people Cuban doesn't.

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And instead of you having to

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Google how to solve this problem,

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Cuban's like,

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I own a company that solves that problem.

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I'll get you a good rate and

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I'll introduce you to the manager.

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So it really is, you know,

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your network is your net worth.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I'm not sure people

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appreciate that until they experience it.

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So, yeah.

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Right.

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All right.

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So I've done a little bit of

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media consulting and I'm

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going to say I'm going to

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say a statement and you

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tell me if it's if you

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think it's true or not.

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I went into doing some media

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consulting with PT organizations.

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And I thought it was going

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to be ninety percent

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communications and ten

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percent psychology.

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And what it wound up being

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was ninety percent

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psychology and ten percent media.

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Is that similar?

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Oh, yeah, I think so.

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I mean, you know,

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I focus pretty I have a niche, you know,

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which is leadership.

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training or development.

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So it's like helping the

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person I'm working with

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become a better leader,

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helping them work with

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their executive teams to

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communicate better,

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working with how to grow

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more leaders within their organization.

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You know, and that's all, you know,

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as you say, psychology, communication,

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human nature, understanding personalities,

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understanding what

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resonates and what doesn't,

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and that type of thing.

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So yeah, that's kind of my niche.

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And yeah, I love doing that.

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And what you didn't include

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in your resume in the big

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picture is every once in a

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while you get a call from

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Jimmy McKay who goes,

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what am I supposed to do with my life,

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Steve?

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And you give me advice and

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you send me off in a better direction.

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So thank you for that.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes I have ideas

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and sometimes I'll refer

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you to somebody who I think

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I have a better idea.

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So yeah, exactly.

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All right,

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so you mentioned doing profiles

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and leadership for a long time.

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I think I saw you post

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something on LinkedIn a week or two ago,

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and I thought, man,

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you've been doing something

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so narrow in leadership and

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having conversations that

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if you're looking for that,

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that's the spot.

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You're the guy who's like, I just do this,

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but I go an inch wide,

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but I go a mile deep.

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And I just sat there thinking –

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Man, if I forced Steve,

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if I put his feet to the fire and said,

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you got to give me ten of

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your best pieces of information,

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and he gave it to me, wow,

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what a treasure chest of

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info that would be.

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And I think I DMed you or texted you,

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and you're like, yeah, sure,

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let's do that.

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So, man,

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what was the process in sitting

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down and looking back over

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two hundred and something

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episodes and even finding that stuff?

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Well, that was a real chore or challenge,

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let's say, because when people ask me,

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why do I do this podcast?

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What's the motivation behind it?

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And I honestly say every

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time because I learn

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something every time I do it.

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Every time I do an interview,

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I learn something new and I

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didn't know that or that's

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so interesting and I'm a

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curious person to begin with.

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So, you know,

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I started going back and looking.

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It's like every oh,

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I knew here I could have

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had maybe two hundred fifty, you know,

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impactful insights, you know.

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But I tried to narrow it down to ten.

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Obviously,

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didn't have the time or the

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bandwidth to re-listen to

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every single one of them.

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But the ones that I do

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remember that stuck in my brain, yeah,

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I wrote down some ideas.

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And so, yeah,

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I'd be happy to share them with you.

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hit us with uh with number

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one and if someone's being

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left off the list doesn't

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mean steve doesn't like you

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of course because people

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have asked me my favorite

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episodes and I'm like I'm

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not going down that road

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because I feel like I'd

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leave people off and just

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so you know you can find

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profiles and leadership

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like wherever podcasts uh

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are heard to get the the

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raw uh insights so what's

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number what's number ten or

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number one are we going ten

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well so I I've got ten here

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um but I'm not going to

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Rank them in order of the

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most significant.

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OK, so here we go.

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So so the one that I had

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recently was Nancy Phillips,

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who is a founder and CEO of

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Rally Rally Day Partners.

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OK,

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so that's a private equity firm that is

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actually working with one

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of our colleagues we know

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well and love her so much,

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Michelle Colley.

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And so I was trying to push her like, OK,

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you're saying all the right things.

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I get it.

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You know, whatever.

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Boy, it really comes down to it.

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Isn't it all about making

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money and getting the best

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return on your investment?

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And she made this statement

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that I thought was profound.

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She said, look, Steve,

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you can't get a good return

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on your investment unless

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you focus on culture and

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leadership development

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within your organization.

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and as I told her that's

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speaking my language

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because I've been promoting

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that for years and years

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and years and years that

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you know you got to focus

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on the people and the

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culture and the leadership

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development and things like

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that then your profits and

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your success will come

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where, you know,

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I think sometimes people

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get so focused on the

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numbers and that that they, you know,

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they forget about that kind of stuff,

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you know,

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and that's why people feel

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pushed and burned out and, you know,

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not not part of the

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organization decision

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making process and so on.

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So coming from her, who's in that world,

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I thought that was very profound.

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And I thought, wow, you know,

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if they all felt and talked like that,

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I'd be in a better, better spot.

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And private equity is

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something that I haven't

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really been involved with a lot.

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But these are people who

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come into an organization.

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And you correct me if I'm wrong.

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I'll give you my version.

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They come into an

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organization and they look

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at what's there, the culture, the people,

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the land.

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What do they do?

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How do they do it?

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And who is involved in doing it now?

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And then they say,

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could our expertise and our

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funding make this thing go better?

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Could we be an element that

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we add so that that

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organization and our

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private equity organization

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both benefit from that?

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How do I do?

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Yeah, no, that's fine.

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And often what they do then

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is then they say, okay,

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so we're going to be in this business for,

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say, three to five years.

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And then we're going to do the next thing,

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either find some other

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private equity company to

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buy this or maybe sell it

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to somebody else.

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So that's how they make their money.

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So it's it's and it's often

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that they would come in and say, OK,

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we need to be more productive.

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We need to cut expenses.

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We need to do this, you know.

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Yet a lot of times they sell

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because we have more money.

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We have more resources to

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provide to your company.

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So I will say that over my experience,

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the private equity is

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changing its tune a bit,

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and I think they're getting

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better in the physical

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therapy market than they used to be.

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But there's still that pressure like, okay,

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how do I get my maximum

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return out of this in three

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to five years?

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Well, if you're a numbers data guru guy,

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you're going to say, you know,

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make people more productive,

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treat more patients and cut expenses.

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That's how I make my money.

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Well, as we know,

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most PTs we know don't do well with that.

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Okay.

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So so to me, what Nancy's saying is, no,

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what we need to do is

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invest in the people and

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the culture and get them

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excited about things.

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Therefore,

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they will become more efficient

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and more productive because

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they love what they're doing.

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That's how we get our return.

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Yeah.

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Take care of the big thing.

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Take care of the big thing

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in culture and people.

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Exactly.

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So I was I was thrilled to hear that.

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Love that.

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All right.

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So that was that was

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actually the one that was

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the one you shared on LinkedIn.

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Yeah.

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And I just thought, man,

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if that's good advice, what are the other,

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you know, two hundred plus episodes?

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What's next?

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Well,

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the next one is I like to try and get

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some really.

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So the theme is leadership,

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but I can see leadership in

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so many different aspects of our life.

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OK,

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so this next one is a woman by the name

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of Mary Gauthier.

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And she is a

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singer-songwriter from Nashville,

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Tennessee.

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And I saw her at a TEDx

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event in New York once.

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And she just, gosh,

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there's just something

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about her that I thought,

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this woman is amazing.

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So I DMed her on Instagram.

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And believe it or not, she answered me.

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And so so here she is.

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And what she kind of does is her, you know,

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to give back to the community,

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so to speak,

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is she sits down with wounded

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warriors from the military

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and they're having trouble

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with PTSD or whatever.

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Sometimes they have these

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horrible things they're dealing with.

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And then she spends a

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weekend with them in a

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songwriting workshop.

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And they write a song

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together about their story.

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and then she plays it and

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often records it and when

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when they do that it like

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it just gives voice to what

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they went through and it's

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just very profound but

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anyway she's an amazing uh

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artist in person and so her

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quote um we're talking

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about imposter syndrome

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And she says, even in music, too,

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we have imposter syndrome, like, you know,

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I'm not that good or people

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are going to think, you know, gosh,

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do they like this?

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Do they not like that?

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They're going to think, you know,

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whatever.

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So they have it as well that

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we talk about all the time

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in the business world.

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And she said about imposter syndrome,

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she said, it's just an ego problem.

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She goes,

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I'm just trying to be to be of

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service and connect with people.

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I don't think ranking people

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by value is a healthy way

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to look at the world.

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So she just says, man, I just, you know,

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I'm going to connect with this person.

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I'm going to provide a

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service that I can maybe do for them.

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And between those two things, if I do that,

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then I'm good.

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I don't have to get seven

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million followers or I

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don't have to do this or that.

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I connected with a person.

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I made a difference.

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That's what it's all about.

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Ironically,

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if you want seven million followers,

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doing what she does is the

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way to actually get there.

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Yeah.

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Focus on one person at a time.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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share one good minute with seven

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million people.

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That's how you get seven

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million people to buy in.

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And it's not that different

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than what we just talked about.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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You know,

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because you're focusing on that

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one person doing that one

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thing and that translates

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to bigger numbers.

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So, yeah.

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And what was her name again?

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Her name is Mary Gaucher and it's spelled,

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I think she's from Louisiana,

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probably Cajun country.

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It's G-A-U-T-H-I-E-R.

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Somehow that that spells Gaucher.

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All right.

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I like that.

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Sliding into the DMs,

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as the kids call it on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean,

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it's one thing I've always said

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is I've never been afraid

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to ask the question.

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So sometimes you just reach

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out and you get some people

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that will respond.

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And so it's awesome.

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I tell people all the time.

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The great Terry Gross is an

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interviewer on NPR.

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Her her biography was called

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All I Did Was Ask.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Sometimes that's hard.

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It is hard.

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It is hard.

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All right.

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What's next?

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You led off with two good ones.

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Yeah.

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Number three, Rich Devaney,

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who is a Navy SEAL.

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OK.

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And Rich not only became a Navy SEAL,

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but he also then became a

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trainer of Navy SEALs.

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And so he was telling me

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about the process.

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And, you know,

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they have this Navy SEAL training.

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They have this thing called

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the Bud's Week or whatever it is,

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which is they do all these

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horrific endurance things

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that don't make any sense,

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but you just have to keep doing them.

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And the dropout rate on that

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is eighty percent.

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So eighty percent of the

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guys that get the Bud's don't make it.

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And getting there isn't easy either.

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And getting there is not easy either.

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So he said that I said, well,

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who makes it?

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Who becomes a Navy SEAL?

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And his answer, I thought, was perfect.

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He said,

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I can always tell when someone's

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going to make it.

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When they make the step

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between worrying about

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their own suffering and

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worrying about the guy

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beside them and helping

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them get through their suffering.

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When a guy makes that step,

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that's the guy that'll make it.

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And again, I mean, take that to business.

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As soon as you start being a

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team member that helps

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others and helps them rise

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and helps them become

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better at their job and whatever,

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you both rise.

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You both get better.

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And I think that was

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profound because he says at

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the beginning of the BUDS training,

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all people can worry about is how bad me,

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me, me, me, me is suffering.

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But when I start helping other people,

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I make the jump.

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So I think I thought that was profound.

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That is, I mean,

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I've seen videos and

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documentaries on that

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training and it is even the

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stuff that I imagine

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there's some stuff we don't see,

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but the stuff that you see

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is pretty horrific, but it's,

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they've said it before.

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It's a, they're testing your mind.

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Yes,

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it is a ridiculous endurance and

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strength test,

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but what they're really

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trying to see you do is how

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do you work with others?

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What are you focused on?

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If you're focused on you, you, you,

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when we get out there in a real situation,

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you're going to be focused on you, you,

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you.

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We don't want those guys.

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We want people who are focused on we.

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Exactly.

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A hundred percent.

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All right, what's up next?

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Somewhat related,

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I interviewed a guy by the

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name of Walter Bond.

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Probably never heard of him.

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Walter Bond was a Division I

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basketball player for the

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University of Minnesota.

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He played all four years in college,

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never started a game.

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He was the sixth man coming

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in off the bench.

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And his coach would always tell him,

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when I look at my players,

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you're not one of the five best players,

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so I don't start you.

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But whenever you're in the game,

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we're better.

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So he usually would go in

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early and play a lot of the game.

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And so amazingly enough,

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now think of the NBA.

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There's only four hundred and fifty five,

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I think,

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players in the in the world that

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play in the NBA at any one time.

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So, you know,

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that all those guys have come

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from being the best player

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on their team by a mile.

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That's who makes the NBA.

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Well, somehow,

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some coach hears and knows

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about Walter Bond.

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So he drafts him or chooses

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him to come into the NBA as

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the sixth man off a

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University of Minnesota

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basketball team that wasn't

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necessarily the national

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champion or anything.

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Walter Bond played eight years in the NBA.

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And I said, well, what did you do?

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I mean, what was the difference?

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And he said, again, what I think, you know,

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I learned.

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He said, well, when I come into the game,

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what most players do,

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they come into the game and they say, OK,

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this is what I do.

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I'm a great three point shooter,

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so I'm going to make three

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pointers or I'm a great rebounder.

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So I'm going to go get the

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rebounds or I'm a good defensive player.

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So I'm going to play defense.

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And he goes,

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I go into the game and I'm

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sitting on the bench.

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Watch.

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I go, what do we need right now?

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What does the team need me

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to do so that we're better?

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Sometimes I need to rebound.

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Sometimes I do need to shoot

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a three pointer.

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Sometimes I need to play a

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really tough defense on the

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guy that's killing us.

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He goes,

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so that was my approach to every

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every job, which, again,

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it's not about him.

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It's about the team.

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So what can I do to help the team?

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And again, fantastic story.

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And, you know, eight years in the NBA,

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having never started a game

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in his college career.

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Yeah, he doesn't think about me.

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He thinks about we.

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And it goes back to what you

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said that his coach said about him.

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When I look at you,

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you're not one of my best five,

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but when you're in the game,

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we play better.

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It's because he tailors his

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game and where he's going

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to put his effort on what's needed now.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Of course it's going to get better.

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We need this now.

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So I'm going to do that.

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And sometimes, you know,

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you see good leaders do that too.

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Like sometimes, you know, they,

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they don't lead from the highest level.

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They might roll up their

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sleeves and help dig a ditch, you know,

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or something, if that's what's needed,

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you know?

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So it's just somebody who's

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able to see what is needed at the time.

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And that's what I do.

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That's smart.

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Yeah.

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See,

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I always like when I look at your show,

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it's not always the same.

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guess.

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You just talked to me about P.E.

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and Navy SEALs and

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basketball players and musical artists.

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Leadership isn't about just

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being in a boardroom.

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Yeah, one hundred percent,

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one hundred percent.

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And that's why that's why I

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try to look at all aspects.

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You know,

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the next one on the list is is

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Gabby Reese.

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Oh, yeah.

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So, you know, Gabby Reese,

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for those who don't know,

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is a professional

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volleyball player and a model and,

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you know, very successful.

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And

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What I asked her a question,

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I don't remember exactly how I said it,

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but basically People

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Magazine in the nineteen

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ninety somewhere in the mid

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nineteen nineties said that

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she was one of the ten most

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beautiful women in the world.

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Now she's a professional

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athlete and they made that

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statement as well.

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So my question more was like,

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how at a young age do you deal with that?

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I mean, holy cow.

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And she said, she goes,

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as I've gotten older,

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I've learned that people

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may thank you for this or that,

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or sometimes it can be very flattering.

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But I just focus on holding

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the line for myself to live up to.

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And realizing what other

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people think is their issue, not mine.

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So she said,

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so People Magazine is going to

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find somebody next week

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the next pretty face and whatever.

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And if I focus on that and I

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just think I'm all that, you know,

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it's just, yeah,

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like it's a roller coaster.

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So I thought that was pretty

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profound at her young age

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that she was able to think that.

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And then now she's lived

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that her whole life and, you know,

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she's doing great things

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and she's not a model right

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now and she's not a professional athlete,

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but she's still doing great things.

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Yeah, this reminds me of,

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do you know who Mel Robbins,

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you heard of Mel Robbins?

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Oh, yeah.

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She's got that let them theory.

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It almost sounds like Gabby

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Reese understood that a long time ago,

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which is whatever you're going to think,

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I'm flattered.

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Thank you.

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But if I put too much stock

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and too much stake into

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that of you hyping me up, when you stop,

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I'm going to crash.

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So don't do either.

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Just let them.

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Yeah, I got a funny story on Mel Robbins.

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She was a keynote speaker at

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the PPS one year.

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I didn't know that.

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Yeah,

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and so I was in the back of the room

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and I wasn't president at the time.

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I think it's after I was the president.

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And so I know a lot of

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people at that conference, right?

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And I see this woman like in

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a flowing skirt and high

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top red tennis shoes and

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she's kind of pacing back

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and forth in the back of the room.

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And my first thought, well, who is that?

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And then my second thought was,

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I like her style.

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She just seems like she's

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got something going.

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And then the person says,

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and our keynote speaker

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today is Mel Robbins.

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She goes running down the main aisle,

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gets up on the deck,

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and that's who it was.

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So I thought, yeah, she's amazing.

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Yeah,

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the reason that comes to mind is I

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just started reading her

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book just a couple of just

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a couple of days ago.

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But it it really is like if

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you look at her book and what Gabby said,

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it's not rocket science.

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It's also one of the hardest things to do.

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But when you figure it out,

00:23:06.252 --> 00:23:07.433
as Mel says in her book,

00:23:07.453 --> 00:23:08.933
and it sounds like Gabby understood,

00:23:09.413 --> 00:23:10.434
you take your own power

00:23:10.454 --> 00:23:11.994
back when you stop either

00:23:12.035 --> 00:23:13.655
blaming other people for

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how they made you feel or

00:23:16.037 --> 00:23:17.537
just owning how I feel

00:23:17.576 --> 00:23:18.737
should be how I feel or my

00:23:18.797 --> 00:23:19.817
perception should be my.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes we look at false...

00:23:24.938 --> 00:23:26.538
accolades you know like for

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me and you you know

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sometimes you get a little

00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:30.001
caught up like what are my

00:23:30.041 --> 00:23:30.741
downloads what are my

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downloads and I'm like and

00:23:33.564 --> 00:23:34.545
my wife is great because

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she always says well do you

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care and I go what do you

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mean she goes well if you

00:23:39.848 --> 00:23:41.150
had ten times as many

00:23:41.190 --> 00:23:42.190
downloads would it make any

00:23:42.250 --> 00:23:42.871
difference what you're

00:23:42.911 --> 00:23:44.211
doing and I go no and she

00:23:44.251 --> 00:23:44.912
goes well why do you do

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what you do and I go

00:23:46.292 --> 00:23:47.134
because I love it and I

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learn something every time

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she goes then forget about

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the downloads it doesn't really matter

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I did some media training every day.

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Someone found me through

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LinkedIn and asked to talk to me,

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and she's trying to become

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a media writer.

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And she said, what do I need to do?

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And I took someone else's quote was,

00:24:05.208 --> 00:24:06.608
if you want to be a better writer,

00:24:06.648 --> 00:24:07.849
you don't need more readers.

00:24:07.869 --> 00:24:08.871
You need to write more.

00:24:09.451 --> 00:24:10.752
If you want to be a better podcaster,

00:24:10.772 --> 00:24:11.772
you don't need more listeners.

00:24:11.894 --> 00:24:13.214
You need to podcast more.

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And I think she I don't

00:24:15.195 --> 00:24:16.396
think she liked my I don't

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think she liked my advice because I said,

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listen,

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do you want to know why I've been

00:24:19.659 --> 00:24:20.160
successful?

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I showed up twice a week,

00:24:21.421 --> 00:24:22.582
every week for ten years.

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And it was easier for me to

00:24:24.962 --> 00:24:26.183
show up because I really

00:24:26.203 --> 00:24:27.704
just liked doing it.

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I'm like, I'm very sorry,

00:24:29.126 --> 00:24:30.807
but how come you haven't written?

00:24:30.887 --> 00:24:32.348
And she's like, well, I'm waiting.

00:24:32.388 --> 00:24:34.711
And I said, no, can't do that.

00:24:35.211 --> 00:24:35.510
Can't wait.

00:24:35.570 --> 00:24:38.653
No, that's it reminds me, too.

00:24:39.193 --> 00:24:39.994
I'm a guitar player.

00:24:40.035 --> 00:24:41.976
So you have an acoustic guitar.

00:24:42.415 --> 00:24:43.517
A lot of people say, God,

00:24:43.537 --> 00:24:45.198
your guitar sounds so good.

00:24:45.317 --> 00:24:47.319
How can my guitar sound better?

00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:48.961
Well, if you know anything,

00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:50.182
you know anything about the

00:24:50.221 --> 00:24:52.663
wood and an acoustic guitar, it it.

00:24:53.084 --> 00:24:54.884
vibrates and it expands and

00:24:54.924 --> 00:24:56.365
it you know it it has a

00:24:56.465 --> 00:24:58.367
life so the answer is just

00:24:58.407 --> 00:24:59.387
what you said you might

00:24:59.407 --> 00:25:00.189
want to make your guitar

00:25:00.209 --> 00:25:01.209
sound better play it more

00:25:01.329 --> 00:25:02.089
often play it more because

00:25:02.109 --> 00:25:03.131
that's what the wood wants

00:25:03.171 --> 00:25:04.971
to do it gets warmer the

00:25:05.011 --> 00:25:06.272
more you play it so yeah I

00:25:06.292 --> 00:25:07.192
think that's interesting

00:25:07.493 --> 00:25:08.794
all right where are we at

00:25:08.834 --> 00:25:10.115
now five okay so we're

00:25:10.134 --> 00:25:11.215
going to go to another navy

00:25:11.236 --> 00:25:13.116
seal uh this guy's name is

00:25:13.317 --> 00:25:15.739
uh earl dobler and he gave

00:25:15.979 --> 00:25:17.099
what I think is really

00:25:17.140 --> 00:25:19.721
profound advice he said whatever you do

00:25:20.836 --> 00:25:22.876
make sure that your identity

00:25:23.477 --> 00:25:24.637
is something that no one

00:25:24.657 --> 00:25:25.538
can take away from you.

00:25:25.557 --> 00:25:25.637
Okay.

00:25:26.878 --> 00:25:28.660
And I said, okay, explain that further.

00:25:28.700 --> 00:25:30.519
He says, okay, for instance, he said,

00:25:31.800 --> 00:25:33.061
ever since I was a teenager,

00:25:33.182 --> 00:25:35.282
all I wanted to be was a Navy SEAL.

00:25:36.103 --> 00:25:37.544
Everything I did was to be

00:25:37.564 --> 00:25:39.203
to prepare for a Navy SEAL.

00:25:39.324 --> 00:25:40.684
I go to the training.

00:25:40.785 --> 00:25:41.986
I make it through BUDS.

00:25:42.405 --> 00:25:43.465
I get selected.

00:25:43.586 --> 00:25:44.686
I'm a Navy SEAL.

00:25:45.366 --> 00:25:46.567
I'm doing all I ever wanted

00:25:46.587 --> 00:25:47.387
to do in my life.

00:25:48.067 --> 00:25:48.909
And then I got injured.

00:25:49.933 --> 00:25:51.414
And I couldn't be a Navy SEAL anymore.

00:25:51.954 --> 00:25:52.315
And he says,

00:25:52.434 --> 00:25:54.496
I went into a spiral for two years.

00:25:54.536 --> 00:25:56.016
I didn't know who I was,

00:25:56.056 --> 00:25:57.297
what I wanted to do.

00:25:57.896 --> 00:25:59.576
He said it was just brutal.

00:25:59.636 --> 00:26:00.178
So he said,

00:26:00.238 --> 00:26:01.577
so now I learned that my

00:26:01.678 --> 00:26:05.058
identity shouldn't be a Navy SEAL.

00:26:05.538 --> 00:26:06.799
It should be something like...

00:26:08.528 --> 00:26:10.028
I give back to my community

00:26:10.128 --> 00:26:12.431
or I'm kind or I help

00:26:12.590 --> 00:26:13.951
others or something that no

00:26:13.971 --> 00:26:15.472
matter what happens,

00:26:15.633 --> 00:26:17.134
no one can ever take that away from me.

00:26:17.294 --> 00:26:17.694
Yeah.

00:26:17.755 --> 00:26:18.555
And I thought that was

00:26:18.634 --> 00:26:20.116
really amazing advice.

00:26:20.176 --> 00:26:20.477
Yeah.

00:26:20.887 --> 00:26:21.087
Yeah,

00:26:21.127 --> 00:26:22.630
take apart the elements of what a

00:26:22.670 --> 00:26:23.369
Navy SEAL is.

00:26:23.390 --> 00:26:24.411
It's someone who shows up,

00:26:24.431 --> 00:26:26.553
cares about his team over himself.

00:26:26.613 --> 00:26:29.295
You can do that lots of different places.

00:26:29.355 --> 00:26:31.096
So if you can't be the Navy SEAL,

00:26:31.436 --> 00:26:32.298
you can still be that

00:26:32.337 --> 00:26:33.578
person who shows up early

00:26:33.719 --> 00:26:35.119
and goes to the nth degree

00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:36.121
and cares about the team.

00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:37.662
You can plug that in lots of

00:26:37.701 --> 00:26:38.522
different places.

00:26:38.643 --> 00:26:40.163
Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:40.183 --> 00:26:40.944
That's great advice.

00:26:41.125 --> 00:26:41.724
I like that one.

00:26:42.546 --> 00:26:43.365
So here's another one.

00:26:44.165 --> 00:26:45.186
So Brad Zimmerman,

00:26:45.906 --> 00:26:47.646
just a leadership coach and

00:26:47.666 --> 00:26:48.807
been around a long time.

00:26:48.847 --> 00:26:49.948
And he wrote this book and

00:26:50.528 --> 00:26:51.667
there was a story in it

00:26:51.689 --> 00:26:53.429
that really caught my attention.

00:26:53.548 --> 00:26:55.409
So if it's OK with you,

00:26:55.630 --> 00:26:57.509
it comes off better if I just read it.

00:26:57.789 --> 00:26:58.130
Yeah.

00:26:58.170 --> 00:27:00.371
So so listen to this and see

00:27:00.391 --> 00:27:00.830
what you think.

00:27:01.010 --> 00:27:04.692
So in his book, he says, tells a story.

00:27:05.071 --> 00:27:06.752
An old Cherokee is teaching

00:27:06.792 --> 00:27:08.292
his grandson about life.

00:27:09.403 --> 00:27:10.923
A fight is going on inside me,

00:27:10.983 --> 00:27:11.904
he said to the boy.

00:27:12.285 --> 00:27:13.665
It's a terrible fight.

00:27:13.905 --> 00:27:15.346
It's between two wolves.

00:27:16.207 --> 00:27:16.847
One is evil.

00:27:17.048 --> 00:27:21.269
He is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed,

00:27:21.570 --> 00:27:26.133
arrogance, self-pity, guilt, inferiority,

00:27:26.334 --> 00:27:29.756
lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

00:27:30.816 --> 00:27:32.217
The other one is good.

00:27:32.576 --> 00:27:36.458
He is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity,

00:27:36.538 --> 00:27:40.140
humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy,

00:27:40.220 --> 00:27:43.421
generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.

00:27:44.681 --> 00:27:46.102
The same fight is going on

00:27:46.162 --> 00:27:47.863
inside of you and inside of

00:27:48.002 --> 00:27:50.483
every other person too.

00:27:50.503 --> 00:27:51.663
The grandson thought about

00:27:51.703 --> 00:27:52.484
it for a minute.

00:27:52.785 --> 00:27:54.244
Then he asked his grandfather,

00:27:54.904 --> 00:27:55.965
which wolf will win?

00:27:57.502 --> 00:27:59.325
The old Cherokee simply replied,

00:27:59.664 --> 00:28:02.807
the one you feed.

00:28:02.866 --> 00:28:03.587
Isn't that awesome?

00:28:04.048 --> 00:28:06.711
It's just a great way to look at it.

00:28:06.770 --> 00:28:09.192
It doesn't say that there

00:28:09.272 --> 00:28:10.634
aren't bad ideas or bad

00:28:10.673 --> 00:28:12.474
thoughts in you and that

00:28:12.494 --> 00:28:13.336
would make you bad.

00:28:13.375 --> 00:28:14.376
It says there is.

00:28:15.238 --> 00:28:15.817
Yeah.

00:28:15.857 --> 00:28:17.519
But you can decide which one

00:28:17.538 --> 00:28:19.480
will win by which one you feed.

00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:20.162
Yeah.

00:28:20.241 --> 00:28:21.142
Where you spend your most

00:28:21.182 --> 00:28:22.542
time is what's going to happen.

00:28:22.564 --> 00:28:25.026
So it's just one of those things where...

00:28:25.913 --> 00:28:28.154
Easier said than done often.

00:28:28.194 --> 00:28:31.075
But I do think that it's a mindset.

00:28:31.115 --> 00:28:33.516
It's the Carol Dweck mindset theory that,

00:28:33.536 --> 00:28:33.816
you know,

00:28:33.875 --> 00:28:35.395
what you focus on and what you

00:28:35.435 --> 00:28:36.557
think and how you think

00:28:37.116 --> 00:28:38.477
makes a difference on what you do.

00:28:38.896 --> 00:28:39.958
Yeah, there's some people that say,

00:28:40.478 --> 00:28:41.438
you know,

00:28:41.518 --> 00:28:44.058
it sounds real new agey and self-helpy.

00:28:44.098 --> 00:28:46.679
But when you really start practicing it,

00:28:47.118 --> 00:28:48.039
there are people that say, like,

00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:49.440
I don't even don't speak

00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:51.641
negatively about yourself,

00:28:51.881 --> 00:28:52.961
even in your own head.

00:28:53.887 --> 00:28:55.371
like make sure that you're

00:28:55.590 --> 00:28:57.433
only feeding that other wolf,

00:28:57.473 --> 00:28:58.856
like even in your own thoughts,

00:28:59.116 --> 00:29:00.398
because that's where it starts.

00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:01.621
Because when you start thinking,

00:29:01.641 --> 00:29:02.502
you start becoming.

00:29:03.003 --> 00:29:04.025
Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:04.365 --> 00:29:04.866
Absolutely.

00:29:05.227 --> 00:29:05.807
That's a good one.

00:29:06.993 --> 00:29:08.634
So are we still going?

00:29:08.795 --> 00:29:09.175
Another one?

00:29:09.556 --> 00:29:09.855
Absolutely.

00:29:09.875 --> 00:29:10.115
Okay.

00:29:11.156 --> 00:29:14.219
Daniel Pink, who I did a long time ago.

00:29:15.140 --> 00:29:16.280
And so there were a lot of

00:29:16.300 --> 00:29:17.280
good ones out of that one.

00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:19.202
But one that I thought was

00:29:19.282 --> 00:29:21.064
interesting is he said, you know,

00:29:21.104 --> 00:29:22.184
great leaders are

00:29:22.224 --> 00:29:24.486
incredibly generous with their teammates.

00:29:25.467 --> 00:29:27.448
He said they are not dictatorial leaders.

00:29:27.648 --> 00:29:28.848
They provide vision,

00:29:28.949 --> 00:29:31.111
provide direct feedback in the moment,

00:29:32.132 --> 00:29:33.512
not at performance reviews.

00:29:34.284 --> 00:29:35.585
but at the moment and

00:29:35.625 --> 00:29:38.227
connect with them in a very deep level,

00:29:38.547 --> 00:29:40.008
not afraid to use the word

00:29:40.067 --> 00:29:42.710
love when having discussions with them,

00:29:44.231 --> 00:29:44.551
you know,

00:29:44.852 --> 00:29:46.333
to show that empathy and that

00:29:46.393 --> 00:29:47.513
caring and whatever.

00:29:47.634 --> 00:29:50.435
And he says that and then

00:29:50.496 --> 00:29:52.657
just genuinely ask their

00:29:52.718 --> 00:29:54.179
opinion and listen.

00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:55.941
You know, again,

00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:57.942
not anything we haven't heard before,

00:29:57.981 --> 00:29:59.623
but but I think it's true.

00:29:59.742 --> 00:30:00.943
And then we went into a real

00:30:00.983 --> 00:30:02.424
deep discussion, too, about,

00:30:03.415 --> 00:30:05.096
what I felt for a long time

00:30:05.198 --> 00:30:07.720
is that a lot of ceos of

00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:09.520
companies often come up

00:30:09.540 --> 00:30:10.721
through the finance side of

00:30:10.761 --> 00:30:13.044
things and in the finance

00:30:13.084 --> 00:30:14.444
world there's a lot more

00:30:14.525 --> 00:30:15.645
left brain thinkers than

00:30:15.705 --> 00:30:17.407
right brain thinkers and

00:30:17.688 --> 00:30:19.509
you know left brain is more

00:30:19.910 --> 00:30:21.912
data analytics numbers

00:30:22.031 --> 00:30:23.093
spreadsheets you know

00:30:23.113 --> 00:30:24.953
whatever and the right side

00:30:24.973 --> 00:30:26.295
of the brain is is kind of

00:30:26.315 --> 00:30:27.615
what he just described there

00:30:28.521 --> 00:30:30.143
And so we had a lot of talk,

00:30:30.182 --> 00:30:32.163
and he thinks that as

00:30:32.223 --> 00:30:33.983
companies move forward and

00:30:34.084 --> 00:30:36.404
as we evolve in business in the world,

00:30:36.786 --> 00:30:37.445
that there's going to be a

00:30:37.546 --> 00:30:38.665
lot more right brain

00:30:39.105 --> 00:30:42.448
leaders in our future than in the past.

00:30:43.488 --> 00:30:44.749
So I think the right brain

00:30:44.868 --> 00:30:46.470
leader is getting a lot of

00:30:46.869 --> 00:30:48.951
traction in the sense of

00:30:49.090 --> 00:30:50.371
these are the leaders our

00:30:50.431 --> 00:30:52.031
companies want because they

00:30:52.491 --> 00:30:53.792
Help us discover purpose.

00:30:53.813 --> 00:30:55.693
They help us work together as a team.

00:30:55.713 --> 00:30:57.595
They help us give back, you know,

00:30:57.615 --> 00:30:58.576
to our communities.

00:30:58.615 --> 00:30:59.717
And it's not all about the

00:30:59.757 --> 00:31:01.198
numbers and the spreadsheets.

00:31:01.278 --> 00:31:01.597
Yeah.

00:31:01.738 --> 00:31:03.499
Yeah.

00:31:03.618 --> 00:31:05.140
We dealt with this a lot in radio.

00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.060
There were very much left brain,

00:31:07.101 --> 00:31:07.602
right brain.

00:31:08.682 --> 00:31:10.163
programming versus sales.

00:31:10.222 --> 00:31:10.823
It was always that

00:31:10.884 --> 00:31:12.263
programming versus sales.

00:31:12.304 --> 00:31:15.385
It was like, hey, what should lead?

00:31:15.486 --> 00:31:16.967
Should the creative people

00:31:17.027 --> 00:31:19.147
lead and the logical left

00:31:19.188 --> 00:31:20.328
brain people figure out how

00:31:20.348 --> 00:31:21.250
to make it happen, right?

00:31:21.349 --> 00:31:22.150
I set the vision,

00:31:22.990 --> 00:31:24.230
figure out how to pay for it, man,

00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:25.071
because that's where we're here.

00:31:25.112 --> 00:31:25.991
I'm going to set course,

00:31:26.413 --> 00:31:27.452
you set the sales.

00:31:27.993 --> 00:31:29.914
And I think we had the most success

00:31:30.733 --> 00:31:32.695
It for me anyway,

00:31:32.715 --> 00:31:33.717
in my radio career is when

00:31:33.757 --> 00:31:35.679
I realized it wasn't left versus right.

00:31:36.038 --> 00:31:37.401
It was how do we figure out

00:31:38.141 --> 00:31:39.021
how do we get the most

00:31:39.061 --> 00:31:39.643
almost back to your

00:31:39.682 --> 00:31:41.664
baseball analogy or sorry, basketball,

00:31:41.805 --> 00:31:42.286
six man.

00:31:43.046 --> 00:31:44.367
How do we get the most out of both?

00:31:44.488 --> 00:31:45.588
What do we need right now

00:31:45.648 --> 00:31:46.910
from each side and how can

00:31:46.930 --> 00:31:47.931
we apply that right now?

00:31:47.951 --> 00:31:49.272
It shouldn't be all or none.

00:31:49.313 --> 00:31:50.733
It shouldn't be that forever.

00:31:51.173 --> 00:31:52.296
It's what's needed now.

00:31:52.935 --> 00:31:54.455
And that that is exactly

00:31:54.536 --> 00:31:55.576
true what you said.

00:31:55.656 --> 00:31:56.696
And I think Daniel Pink said

00:31:56.717 --> 00:31:57.717
this in the interview, too,

00:31:58.116 --> 00:31:59.477
is that the best leader is

00:31:59.656 --> 00:32:01.577
one who can do both, you know,

00:32:01.678 --> 00:32:02.478
because you don't want

00:32:02.557 --> 00:32:04.018
somebody who's so far right

00:32:04.057 --> 00:32:05.578
brain that they don't even

00:32:05.659 --> 00:32:06.459
look at the numbers and

00:32:06.479 --> 00:32:07.999
then you probably get in trouble.

00:32:08.019 --> 00:32:09.039
Sure.

00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:09.319
You know,

00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:10.759
so it is somewhere in the middle.

00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.440
And a good leader is someone

00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.161
who can access both sides

00:32:14.181 --> 00:32:15.820
of their brains when they need it.

00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:17.981
And know when to do which.

00:32:18.261 --> 00:32:19.623
Isn't that the hard part?

00:32:19.643 --> 00:32:20.782
It's like, well, when do I do that?

00:32:20.803 --> 00:32:22.743
It's like, well, you got to figure it out.

00:32:22.804 --> 00:32:23.523
You got to feel it.

00:32:23.564 --> 00:32:24.684
You got to see it.

00:32:24.825 --> 00:32:25.825
Exactly.

00:32:26.085 --> 00:32:27.286
That's not a small guess there.

00:32:27.365 --> 00:32:27.645
Okay.

00:32:28.246 --> 00:32:29.146
Okay.

00:32:29.207 --> 00:32:29.767
Another one.

00:32:30.567 --> 00:32:32.087
Vivian James Rigney.

00:32:33.008 --> 00:32:35.548
So this is a guy who I think

00:32:35.588 --> 00:32:37.088
he's from Ireland originally,

00:32:37.229 --> 00:32:38.409
and he was one of these guys.

00:32:38.429 --> 00:32:39.769
It was everything was

00:32:39.950 --> 00:32:41.230
accomplished achievement.

00:32:41.329 --> 00:32:42.250
I got to do these things.

00:32:42.289 --> 00:32:44.391
So he set out in his life to

00:32:45.250 --> 00:32:46.871
climb the seven summits,

00:32:47.290 --> 00:32:48.951
which is the highest summit

00:32:49.192 --> 00:32:49.991
on each continent.

00:32:51.092 --> 00:32:54.053
And so he got to this point

00:32:56.113 --> 00:32:58.074
where he was at the top of

00:32:58.173 --> 00:32:59.493
Everest climbing.

00:33:00.676 --> 00:33:01.637
The weather turned.

00:33:01.657 --> 00:33:02.878
It was miserable.

00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:04.779
He was only six hundred feet

00:33:04.819 --> 00:33:05.540
from the summit.

00:33:06.422 --> 00:33:09.523
He couldn't see where he was going.

00:33:09.544 --> 00:33:11.005
His body hurt terribly.

00:33:11.065 --> 00:33:12.105
And he actually said,

00:33:12.185 --> 00:33:13.686
I went into a space where I

00:33:13.727 --> 00:33:14.847
don't I don't think I'm

00:33:14.887 --> 00:33:15.568
going to make it out.

00:33:15.729 --> 00:33:17.029
I don't think I'm going to get there.

00:33:17.911 --> 00:33:18.830
And so then he said he

00:33:18.871 --> 00:33:20.271
started thinking and he says.

00:33:22.566 --> 00:33:23.586
Let me just read it here.

00:33:25.148 --> 00:33:27.211
What will people remember me for?

00:33:27.391 --> 00:33:28.271
All these amazing

00:33:28.332 --> 00:33:30.094
accomplishments I've done?

00:33:30.654 --> 00:33:32.115
Or will they remember me on

00:33:32.176 --> 00:33:33.897
how I made them feel and

00:33:34.199 --> 00:33:36.280
how I helped them improve their life?

00:33:36.760 --> 00:33:36.981
Again,

00:33:37.001 --> 00:33:38.343
we're talking about a common theme here,

00:33:38.403 --> 00:33:38.623
right?

00:33:39.183 --> 00:33:40.825
Other people said that in different ways.

00:33:41.505 --> 00:33:42.566
But he said he had that

00:33:42.625 --> 00:33:44.666
thought and he said it's obvious that,

00:33:44.767 --> 00:33:47.188
you know, the latter was more important.

00:33:47.768 --> 00:33:49.128
And just then the Sherpa

00:33:49.148 --> 00:33:51.869
came and grabbed him by his

00:33:51.910 --> 00:33:53.631
goggles and said, follow me.

00:33:54.432 --> 00:33:56.192
And he said at the time that he thought,

00:33:56.292 --> 00:33:56.992
oh, thank God,

00:33:57.012 --> 00:33:58.413
he's going to take me to the bottom.

00:33:59.405 --> 00:34:00.786
And the Sherpa, so he followed him,

00:34:00.826 --> 00:34:01.547
not even knowing which

00:34:01.567 --> 00:34:02.307
direction he was going.

00:34:02.346 --> 00:34:03.926
The Sherpa took him up to the top,

00:34:03.967 --> 00:34:04.646
to the summit.

00:34:04.707 --> 00:34:05.386
He summited.

00:34:06.008 --> 00:34:07.268
And then he said, follow me.

00:34:07.367 --> 00:34:08.628
And the Sherpa got him back down.

00:34:09.447 --> 00:34:10.369
But, you know,

00:34:10.389 --> 00:34:11.048
it was just a really

00:34:11.088 --> 00:34:12.268
profound story that all of

00:34:12.289 --> 00:34:13.429
a sudden it was like, oh,

00:34:13.489 --> 00:34:14.809
my whole life was focused

00:34:14.889 --> 00:34:16.510
on doing these seven

00:34:16.550 --> 00:34:18.010
summits and saying how

00:34:18.050 --> 00:34:19.251
great I am to do that.

00:34:19.311 --> 00:34:21.010
And it's not really the answer.

00:34:21.990 --> 00:34:24.132
Yeah, there's so many lessons there.

00:34:24.943 --> 00:34:26.985
In climbing a mountain, right?

00:34:27.085 --> 00:34:27.364
I mean,

00:34:27.606 --> 00:34:28.826
I climbed a couple mountains and I

00:34:28.846 --> 00:34:29.567
heard a great quote.

00:34:30.166 --> 00:34:31.288
I think it was in a book I

00:34:31.307 --> 00:34:32.288
was reading before I

00:34:32.327 --> 00:34:33.349
climbed my first mountain.

00:34:33.548 --> 00:34:35.250
Just a spoiler, it was not Everest.

00:34:36.130 --> 00:34:37.010
And someone said,

00:34:38.211 --> 00:34:39.132
do you climb the mountains

00:34:39.152 --> 00:34:41.072
so the world can see you or

00:34:41.112 --> 00:34:41.833
do you climb the mountains

00:34:41.873 --> 00:34:43.014
so you can see the world?

00:34:43.755 --> 00:34:45.615
And it was like, it goes back to,

00:34:45.695 --> 00:34:47.496
is it about me or is it about we?

00:34:47.597 --> 00:34:49.177
And if you do it for that second one,

00:34:49.197 --> 00:34:49.998
the we reason,

00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.340
things get a little better.

00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:53.481
Maybe not at first.

00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:54.619
Right.

00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:55.340
Let's say you were working

00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:56.041
with a team and you were

00:34:56.061 --> 00:34:56.563
going to split up

00:34:56.583 --> 00:34:57.284
commissions or you could

00:34:57.304 --> 00:34:58.264
keep all the commission.

00:34:58.764 --> 00:34:58.905
Well,

00:34:58.925 --> 00:34:59.927
keeping that commission is going to

00:34:59.947 --> 00:35:01.628
make you feel good and feel rich.

00:35:02.108 --> 00:35:03.170
But if you spread it out

00:35:03.231 --> 00:35:04.092
five years from now,

00:35:04.132 --> 00:35:04.932
you might have ten or a

00:35:04.992 --> 00:35:05.934
hundred times that.

00:35:06.293 --> 00:35:07.755
But it's simple to say,

00:35:07.856 --> 00:35:08.938
but it is not easy to do.

00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:10.559
Yeah, no, it's true.

00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:11.059
And I mean,

00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:12.960
it's all these things that I've

00:35:13.420 --> 00:35:14.521
brought up with you all

00:35:14.561 --> 00:35:16.081
kind of have a common theme, you know,

00:35:16.121 --> 00:35:17.481
which is it's not about me.

00:35:17.561 --> 00:35:19.722
It's about the team or it's

00:35:19.762 --> 00:35:20.483
about the group.

00:35:21.543 --> 00:35:22.762
And then my final one here

00:35:23.384 --> 00:35:24.864
that I wrote down of my ten

00:35:25.364 --> 00:35:27.123
that you had talked to me

00:35:27.164 --> 00:35:28.764
about was Jan Jensen,

00:35:29.045 --> 00:35:31.164
who is the head coach of

00:35:31.206 --> 00:35:33.005
the Iowa Women's Basketball Program.

00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:35.391
And, you know,

00:35:35.771 --> 00:35:36.773
you know the success they've

00:35:36.813 --> 00:35:38.474
had and what they've done.

00:35:38.813 --> 00:35:40.775
And her quote that I thought

00:35:40.795 --> 00:35:42.115
was amazing in that, she says,

00:35:42.195 --> 00:35:44.317
my goal is not to win at any cost.

00:35:45.117 --> 00:35:46.237
Although winning is great,

00:35:47.217 --> 00:35:49.239
it is developing amazing women,

00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.141
doing their time in the

00:35:52.181 --> 00:35:53.802
program to prepare,

00:35:54.963 --> 00:35:56.824
then to serve in the greater good.

00:35:57.793 --> 00:35:59.456
bit of life after basketball.

00:36:00.235 --> 00:36:01.757
I've heard Coach K say a

00:36:02.077 --> 00:36:03.418
very similar thing, which is,

00:36:03.438 --> 00:36:04.639
you know what?

00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:06.081
I'm here to help people

00:36:06.141 --> 00:36:09.083
develop and become better

00:36:09.244 --> 00:36:10.545
and prepare them for life,

00:36:10.766 --> 00:36:12.186
not to just win a basketball game.

00:36:12.885 --> 00:36:13.585
And again,

00:36:13.646 --> 00:36:14.806
looking at the big picture and

00:36:14.827 --> 00:36:15.847
looking at what I can do to

00:36:15.887 --> 00:36:20.530
help others that really

00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:21.211
make a difference.

00:36:21.251 --> 00:36:22.311
So, again,

00:36:22.391 --> 00:36:24.574
I could have pulled a quote or

00:36:24.614 --> 00:36:26.014
multiple quotes out of all

00:36:26.054 --> 00:36:26.715
those interviews,

00:36:26.775 --> 00:36:28.577
but those are kind of the

00:36:28.597 --> 00:36:29.677
ten that came to mind.

00:36:30.018 --> 00:36:30.277
Yeah.

00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:31.239
Well, on my show,

00:36:31.298 --> 00:36:33.320
I do a thing called the parting shot.

00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:34.101
Yeah.

00:36:34.121 --> 00:36:35.603
And did I ever tell you why I did that?

00:36:36.302 --> 00:36:37.324
why I started doing that.

00:36:38.123 --> 00:36:39.324
So I was talking to people.

00:36:39.664 --> 00:36:40.565
I started this podcast when

00:36:40.585 --> 00:36:42.286
I was a student, second year PT student.

00:36:42.367 --> 00:36:43.347
And I did it because I just

00:36:43.387 --> 00:36:44.148
want to learn stuff and

00:36:44.168 --> 00:36:45.248
realize with my radio background,

00:36:45.288 --> 00:36:46.708
I learned best like this.

00:36:46.789 --> 00:36:47.489
And this was back when you

00:36:47.510 --> 00:36:48.449
had to explain to people,

00:36:48.791 --> 00:36:49.791
like when you started your show,

00:36:49.811 --> 00:36:50.731
we had to explain to people

00:36:50.771 --> 00:36:52.612
first what a podcast was

00:36:52.652 --> 00:36:54.474
and how they should listen to it.

00:36:54.974 --> 00:36:56.735
Now I think it's a little more mainstream.

00:36:57.275 --> 00:36:58.195
But what I realized was I

00:36:58.215 --> 00:36:58.956
was talking to all these

00:36:58.996 --> 00:37:01.318
people I looked up to, clinical leaders,

00:37:01.358 --> 00:37:02.778
professors, leaders in business,

00:37:02.818 --> 00:37:03.820
things I wanted to learn.

00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:05.360
And I didn't know how to

00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:06.960
wrap up the conversation

00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:08.541
without cutting them off.

00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.621
So I stole an idea from P.T.

00:37:11.641 --> 00:37:12.101
Barnum,

00:37:12.561 --> 00:37:16.043
who used to have the Barnum &

00:37:14.443 --> 00:37:15.722
Bailey Circus, the big top.

00:37:15.762 --> 00:37:16.242
They used to have the

00:37:16.302 --> 00:37:17.443
sideshow where you'd go and

00:37:17.463 --> 00:37:18.204
you'd pay a nickel,

00:37:18.503 --> 00:37:19.304
and you could go see the

00:37:19.344 --> 00:37:20.744
bearded lady and the sword swallower,

00:37:20.764 --> 00:37:21.364
and you could just sort of

00:37:21.385 --> 00:37:22.445
walk around the tent.

00:37:23.224 --> 00:37:25.525
And his problem was when

00:37:25.585 --> 00:37:26.365
people paid their nickel,

00:37:26.385 --> 00:37:27.527
they wanted to spend all day there,

00:37:27.547 --> 00:37:28.507
but he had to get people out.

00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:31.201
So he put up a sign that said,

00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:33.061
an arrow on a sign that said,

00:37:33.523 --> 00:37:35.583
see the egress around the corner.

00:37:36.023 --> 00:37:36.945
So people would get to the

00:37:37.045 --> 00:37:37.945
end and see the egress.

00:37:37.965 --> 00:37:38.766
They'd walk through it.

00:37:38.786 --> 00:37:40.967
And egress, of course, is exit.

00:37:41.407 --> 00:37:44.929
So he changed the meaning to

00:37:44.949 --> 00:37:46.692
make people enticed about the exit.

00:37:47.132 --> 00:37:48.213
But I did parting shot

00:37:48.253 --> 00:37:50.153
because I wanted to sort of say, hey,

00:37:50.193 --> 00:37:50.954
listen, that was great.

00:37:50.974 --> 00:37:51.675
Let's wrap it up.

00:37:52.074 --> 00:37:53.916
But give me one overarching

00:37:54.096 --> 00:37:55.958
idea or sentiment because

00:37:55.998 --> 00:37:57.599
we know when people at the end,

00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:58.358
they'll pay attention.

00:37:58.378 --> 00:37:59.219
You've got their attention.

00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:00.880
What would you want your

00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:01.820
parting shot to be?

00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:03.362
What's something that maybe

00:38:03.382 --> 00:38:04.862
was a common theme amongst

00:38:05.121 --> 00:38:06.922
all these ten ideas that

00:38:06.943 --> 00:38:08.222
you shared with us today

00:38:08.262 --> 00:38:09.423
from your two hundred

00:38:09.443 --> 00:38:12.804
episodes of Profiles in Leadership?

00:38:12.844 --> 00:38:15.846
Gosh, parting shot.

00:38:15.985 --> 00:38:19.768
I would just say that people are amazing,

00:38:21.268 --> 00:38:23.028
but they are more amazing

00:38:23.128 --> 00:38:24.250
and accomplish greater

00:38:24.329 --> 00:38:26.030
things when they focus on

00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:27.510
helping others reach their goals.

00:38:28.291 --> 00:38:31.913
So like one of my mantras has always been,

00:38:32.032 --> 00:38:32.934
what do I do?

00:38:33.074 --> 00:38:35.315
And I always say, I help leaders grow.

00:38:35.936 --> 00:38:38.518
And so it gives me the

00:38:38.538 --> 00:38:40.179
greatest amount of joy if I

00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:42.599
can see other leaders start

00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.322
from here and get to there.

00:38:47.603 --> 00:38:49.085
And that just warms my heart,

00:38:49.684 --> 00:38:51.286
probably even more so than

00:38:51.365 --> 00:38:52.567
seeing what I've been able to do.

00:38:52.606 --> 00:38:54.088
So I think that if you can

00:38:54.128 --> 00:38:55.289
just focus on all these

00:38:55.329 --> 00:38:56.510
things we talked about today,

00:38:57.289 --> 00:38:58.351
um you know kind of relate

00:38:58.411 --> 00:39:00.431
to that same thing and one

00:39:00.452 --> 00:39:01.692
other thing I might say is

00:39:01.711 --> 00:39:04.753
uh so you know um uh

00:39:04.773 --> 00:39:05.835
copying somebody is the

00:39:05.855 --> 00:39:07.014
greatest form of flattery

00:39:07.054 --> 00:39:08.536
right so you're ahead of me

00:39:08.596 --> 00:39:10.097
so I copied you too so I I

00:39:10.137 --> 00:39:11.657
needed I needed something

00:39:11.677 --> 00:39:12.757
that I could say at the end

00:39:12.797 --> 00:39:15.018
so in my interviews I I say

00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:16.300
the same thing I say at

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.380
this point in the interview

00:39:17.561 --> 00:39:18.681
I always ask my guests the

00:39:18.721 --> 00:39:19.822
same common question

00:39:20.402 --> 00:39:21.443
And that question is,

00:39:21.503 --> 00:39:23.043
in relation to leadership,

00:39:23.664 --> 00:39:25.184
what is a pearl of wisdom

00:39:25.445 --> 00:39:26.744
that you can leave us with today?

00:39:27.425 --> 00:39:30.226
And, you know, again, great quotes,

00:39:30.266 --> 00:39:30.967
great things.

00:39:30.987 --> 00:39:32.327
And so it's very similar to

00:39:32.347 --> 00:39:33.128
your parting shot,

00:39:33.168 --> 00:39:34.429
but it's something that we

00:39:34.469 --> 00:39:35.610
could kind of end the show with.

00:39:35.989 --> 00:39:37.510
and whatever good artists

00:39:37.550 --> 00:39:38.791
borrow great artists steal

00:39:38.851 --> 00:39:40.052
Picasso said that he wasn't

00:39:40.172 --> 00:39:41.652
he wasn't too shabby uh

00:39:41.793 --> 00:39:42.612
check out profiles and

00:39:42.632 --> 00:39:44.313
leadership uh just google

00:39:44.333 --> 00:39:45.673
Steve Anderson he's had a

00:39:45.715 --> 00:39:47.034
track record he's not he

00:39:47.054 --> 00:39:47.715
doesn't really have to tell

00:39:47.735 --> 00:39:49.755
you uh about what he's done

00:39:50.016 --> 00:39:50.817
he can sort of just point

00:39:50.836 --> 00:39:51.817
to a few things and show

00:39:51.836 --> 00:39:53.458
you and show Trump's tell

00:39:53.617 --> 00:39:54.759
every single time show is

00:39:54.778 --> 00:39:56.199
better than tell so Steve

00:39:56.278 --> 00:39:56.860
thanks for doing what

00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:57.800
you're doing and thanks for

00:39:57.840 --> 00:39:59.440
doing it here uh on the show

00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:01.244
Well, thank you for having me, Jimmy.

00:40:01.264 --> 00:40:02.146
It's always a pleasure.

00:40:02.246 --> 00:40:05.251
And I enjoy seeing your continued success.

00:40:05.271 --> 00:40:06.014
So keep on rolling.

00:40:07.076 --> 00:40:07.516
Perfect.