The Biggest Mistakes (and how to fix them)

WEBVTT 0:00:00.555 --> 0:00:01.764 We could start off the show 0:00:01.784 --> 0:00:02.528 by bobbing heads. 0:00:04.107 --> 0:00:05.468 And then people will be like, what's this? 0:00:05.508 --> 0:00:06.387 Look at all this movement. 0:00:06.408 --> 0:00:07.527 And there's this happy music. 0:00:08.708 --> 0:00:09.288 Good morning. 0:00:09.349 --> 0:00:10.130 Good mid-morning. 0:00:11.429 --> 0:00:12.089 She's Rebecca. 0:00:12.189 --> 0:00:12.730 She's Elise. 0:00:12.910 --> 0:00:13.330 I'm Jimmy. 0:00:13.351 --> 0:00:15.651 I guess every show needs a name. 0:00:15.692 --> 0:00:17.432 And we just informally, formally, 0:00:17.452 --> 0:00:19.333 informally decided the Brunch Bunch. 0:00:19.853 --> 0:00:20.634 Brunch Bunch. 0:00:20.954 --> 0:00:22.035 I do a live stream with Dave 0:00:22.074 --> 0:00:24.115 Kittle and Tony Meritato an hour, 0:00:24.275 --> 0:00:24.876 two hours ago. 0:00:24.896 --> 0:00:25.556 8.30 a.m. 0:00:25.615 --> 0:00:25.936 Eastern. 0:00:26.036 --> 0:00:27.077 And we call it Breakfast Club. 0:00:27.396 --> 0:00:27.977 It's as early as you're 0:00:27.996 --> 0:00:29.038 going to get me out of bed. 0:00:29.057 --> 0:00:29.038 8.30. 0:00:29.437 --> 0:00:30.858 In college, that was the earliest class. 0:00:30.899 --> 0:00:31.838 And I was like, ugh. 0:00:33.063 --> 0:00:34.064 And then professors are like, you know, 0:00:34.084 --> 0:00:34.744 when you get a job, 0:00:34.784 --> 0:00:37.106 it's that time or earlier, right? 0:00:37.127 --> 0:00:38.548 I was like, no, this is hard. 0:00:39.069 --> 0:00:40.511 But now I guess we'll do the brunch bunch. 0:00:40.591 --> 0:00:44.755 So Rebecca is the ED DPT and 0:00:44.795 --> 0:00:46.015 Elise is the Onco PT. 0:00:46.697 --> 0:00:47.317 And I'm Jimmy. 0:00:47.637 --> 0:00:49.479 I think that's what I bring to the table. 0:00:49.619 --> 0:00:49.920 I'm Jimmy. 0:00:49.939 --> 0:00:50.740 You're the Jimmy PT. 0:00:50.761 --> 0:00:51.762 I'm the Jimmy PT. 0:00:51.781 --> 0:00:52.362 Jimmy PT. 0:00:53.124 --> 0:00:54.284 Today we're going to talk about, 0:00:54.585 --> 0:00:56.186 we usually, we normally would do 0:00:57.079 --> 0:00:57.719 We were getting into a 0:00:57.779 --> 0:00:58.960 rhythm of reading APTA 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.380 Magazine and then discussing. 0:01:01.700 --> 0:01:02.960 Discuss, like coffee talk. 0:01:04.460 --> 0:01:04.801 Chickpeas, 0:01:04.820 --> 0:01:06.361 they're neither chicks nor peas. 0:01:06.481 --> 0:01:07.561 Discuss, discuss. 0:01:07.781 --> 0:01:08.623 That's a Saturday Night Live bit. 0:01:08.722 --> 0:01:09.302 Do you not know that one? 0:01:09.942 --> 0:01:11.022 Nope, don't know that one. 0:01:11.043 --> 0:01:12.784 Making SNL references that 0:01:12.804 --> 0:01:13.483 people don't get now. 0:01:13.603 --> 0:01:15.125 That's when you're this year's old. 0:01:15.525 --> 0:01:16.784 But the idea was APTA 0:01:16.825 --> 0:01:18.105 Magazine comes out monthly. 0:01:18.325 --> 0:01:20.305 We'd read it, talk about it, 0:01:20.525 --> 0:01:21.647 give you our thoughts. 0:01:21.686 --> 0:01:22.266 We'd break it down. 0:01:22.406 --> 0:01:22.746 We'd make it. 0:01:23.527 --> 0:01:24.367 And then we just kept 0:01:24.427 --> 0:01:25.548 looking at our mailboxes 0:01:27.147 --> 0:01:27.748 And it never showed up. 0:01:27.787 --> 0:01:29.650 And then we realized, Rebecca, 0:01:29.670 --> 0:01:30.409 you did some research and 0:01:30.430 --> 0:01:31.051 you found out what? 0:01:31.710 --> 0:01:32.891 It doesn't come out in January. 0:01:32.932 --> 0:01:34.772 Like January is the break 0:01:34.813 --> 0:01:36.054 month for PT Magazine. 0:01:36.795 --> 0:01:37.355 They have it. 0:01:37.415 --> 0:01:38.756 It's just not a physical copy. 0:01:38.896 --> 0:01:39.716 There's a digital copy. 0:01:40.037 --> 0:01:40.236 No, 0:01:40.296 --> 0:01:41.798 there's not even a digital copy in 0:01:41.817 --> 0:01:42.158 January. 0:01:42.197 --> 0:01:44.099 The digital copy for February is out. 0:01:44.180 --> 0:01:44.799 So if you're like, 0:01:44.819 --> 0:01:46.180 can't wait to get to your mailbox, 0:01:46.221 --> 0:01:47.382 you can download it today. 0:01:48.302 --> 0:01:49.644 Happy February, by the way. 0:01:49.664 --> 0:01:50.823 Happy CSM month. 0:01:50.903 --> 0:01:51.385 I can't wait. 0:01:51.465 --> 0:01:51.885 Yeah. 0:01:51.944 --> 0:01:52.486 Yeah. 0:01:53.409 --> 0:01:54.290 I'm not sure when it's going 0:01:54.310 --> 0:01:55.090 to hit the mailbox. 0:01:55.111 --> 0:01:57.432 So now I'm like back on mailbox watch. 0:01:57.731 --> 0:01:57.992 Yeah. 0:01:58.072 --> 0:01:59.412 That was a little late on 0:01:59.451 --> 0:02:00.753 the happy CSM month. 0:02:01.132 --> 0:02:01.492 So yeah. 0:02:01.513 --> 0:02:02.013 So anyway, we'll be, 0:02:02.033 --> 0:02:03.634 we'll be back later with an 0:02:03.694 --> 0:02:05.555 analysis of the analysis. 0:02:05.594 --> 0:02:06.495 I don't want to call it an analysis. 0:02:06.594 --> 0:02:06.775 We'll, 0:02:06.795 --> 0:02:08.156 we'll chew the fat on the latest 0:02:08.195 --> 0:02:09.015 APTA magazine. 0:02:09.056 --> 0:02:09.697 See what's on there. 0:02:10.016 --> 0:02:11.736 Can we do a few, 0:02:11.757 --> 0:02:13.217 I'm going to say this into existence. 0:02:13.897 --> 0:02:14.859 What is the woman's name who 0:02:14.878 --> 0:02:15.899 does the ethics thing? 0:02:17.219 --> 0:02:18.280 Oh, she's my favorite. 0:02:18.340 --> 0:02:19.460 And I don't remember her name. 0:02:22.301 --> 0:02:23.181 I like her a lot. 0:02:23.646 --> 0:02:25.229 I read those every- Maria Cohen, 0:02:25.250 --> 0:02:25.810 Dr. Cohen. 0:02:27.314 --> 0:02:27.814 Is that who it is? 0:02:28.395 --> 0:02:29.936 I like her thing a lot 0:02:30.036 --> 0:02:32.276 because I should not like ethics at all. 0:02:32.395 --> 0:02:32.996 I'd be like, I don't know. 0:02:33.015 --> 0:02:33.836 Ethics are sort of boring. 0:02:33.937 --> 0:02:35.597 And then the way they frame this, 0:02:35.637 --> 0:02:36.856 the way she does this is 0:02:36.877 --> 0:02:38.237 she puts it into story, 0:02:38.518 --> 0:02:39.198 which is a lesson. 0:02:39.717 --> 0:02:41.078 She puts it into a story and you're like, 0:02:41.777 --> 0:02:43.079 and it's always difficult, right? 0:02:43.199 --> 0:02:44.459 It's like, you make the call. 0:02:44.538 --> 0:02:45.598 It's like, what would you do? 0:02:45.658 --> 0:02:47.919 And it's like, well, I would do this. 0:02:47.939 --> 0:02:49.599 And then you're like, would you? 0:02:49.780 --> 0:02:51.501 And it's like, there's a great way of like, 0:02:51.661 --> 0:02:52.461 sort of, it just, 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:53.341 the goal is make you think 0:02:53.501 --> 0:02:54.300 there's no right answer or 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:55.461 there might be there. 0:02:55.641 --> 0:02:56.201 There are right answer. 0:02:56.822 --> 0:02:57.622 don't do the illegal thing. 0:02:58.503 --> 0:02:58.903 But it would be, 0:02:58.924 --> 0:03:00.305 I'm going to save this into existence. 0:03:00.365 --> 0:03:01.906 Maybe we get her on the show once. 0:03:02.606 --> 0:03:03.848 Does anybody know her? 0:03:04.008 --> 0:03:05.688 Someone listening knows her. 0:03:06.128 --> 0:03:07.971 Tell her we're fangirling. 0:03:08.591 --> 0:03:09.391 I'm fanboying. 0:03:09.711 --> 0:03:10.793 Is it the gender of the 0:03:10.832 --> 0:03:12.834 person doing the fanning or the whatever? 0:03:13.615 --> 0:03:14.254 I like her a lot. 0:03:14.335 --> 0:03:14.936 I like what she does. 0:03:15.015 --> 0:03:15.757 And it would be great to do 0:03:15.796 --> 0:03:17.057 a live one and have her, 0:03:17.138 --> 0:03:17.777 I would love her thought 0:03:17.818 --> 0:03:19.118 process when she's writing these. 0:03:19.139 --> 0:03:20.740 Like, how do you, are these real? 0:03:21.181 --> 0:03:22.481 Are they based in reality? 0:03:22.641 --> 0:03:23.521 Like remember law and order? 0:03:23.782 --> 0:03:24.223 It would be like, 0:03:24.983 --> 0:03:26.364 There'd be a crazy case in the news, 0:03:26.383 --> 0:03:27.145 and then two weeks later, 0:03:27.164 --> 0:03:28.225 there'd be a Law & Order episode. 0:03:28.286 --> 0:03:28.506 Right. 0:03:29.266 --> 0:03:29.927 From the headlines. 0:03:29.948 --> 0:03:30.307 I'm like, dude, 0:03:30.328 --> 0:03:31.149 this is not... This is 0:03:31.269 --> 0:03:32.389 copied from the headlines. 0:03:32.409 --> 0:03:33.431 This is not ripped from the headlines. 0:03:33.450 --> 0:03:34.092 You copied this. 0:03:34.972 --> 0:03:35.233 Anyway, 0:03:35.252 --> 0:03:36.394 I'm saying that into its existence. 0:03:36.794 --> 0:03:37.354 What we're here to talk 0:03:37.375 --> 0:03:38.895 about today is... The topic 0:03:38.936 --> 0:03:39.415 of today is... 0:03:40.854 --> 0:03:44.835 Mistakes, failures, big ones, little ones, 0:03:45.534 --> 0:03:47.514 red ones, green ones, one fish, two fish. 0:03:47.555 --> 0:03:48.316 No, sorry, wrong one. 0:03:48.795 --> 0:03:49.656 But the idea is like, 0:03:49.836 --> 0:03:50.556 let's talk about some 0:03:50.616 --> 0:03:53.097 failures and then how we got over them. 0:03:53.157 --> 0:03:54.037 And I think this is a good 0:03:54.076 --> 0:03:54.997 way to number one, 0:03:55.257 --> 0:03:56.917 remember that a lot of 0:03:56.937 --> 0:03:59.397 people that you see on stage at CSM, 0:03:59.818 --> 0:04:01.177 remember Chad Cook saying this once. 0:04:01.337 --> 0:04:01.877 And he's like, man, 0:04:01.918 --> 0:04:02.938 I fell a lot or something. 0:04:02.959 --> 0:04:03.838 Like he was like being, 0:04:04.218 --> 0:04:05.378 I don't think he was being humble. 0:04:05.438 --> 0:04:07.378 I think he was just being like, this hat, 0:04:07.419 --> 0:04:09.419 like you see me as Chad Cook. 0:04:10.099 --> 0:04:10.741 I think it was Chad Cook. 0:04:11.181 --> 0:04:11.461 But like, 0:04:11.481 --> 0:04:13.825 I had to go through not knowing 0:04:13.866 --> 0:04:15.187 stuff for a long time. 0:04:15.609 --> 0:04:16.269 A little bit of stuff, 0:04:16.310 --> 0:04:17.031 then I knew more stuff and 0:04:17.050 --> 0:04:17.612 I knew more stuff. 0:04:18.072 --> 0:04:19.274 So I think this is a good way to, 0:04:19.935 --> 0:04:21.038 I think it's a good way for 0:04:21.098 --> 0:04:22.300 me personally to get it out 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.583 And relive that thing again and be like, 0:04:24.903 --> 0:04:25.064 oh, 0:04:25.584 --> 0:04:27.906 how can I apply my familiar tools in 0:04:27.947 --> 0:04:28.788 unfamiliar places now? 0:04:28.968 --> 0:04:29.189 Right. 0:04:29.269 --> 0:04:30.009 In the present. 0:04:30.050 --> 0:04:30.810 How can I use my familiar 0:04:30.831 --> 0:04:32.492 tools from the past in the present? 0:04:33.314 --> 0:04:33.954 And it's good to hear the 0:04:33.995 --> 0:04:34.815 fact that other people 0:04:34.836 --> 0:04:36.798 screw up because on these things, 0:04:36.918 --> 0:04:39.461 these cell phones, we see a lot of wins, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:40.663 a lot of highlight reels. 0:04:40.762 --> 0:04:41.584 I go to ESPN. 0:04:42.045 --> 0:04:43.125 And I see top plays and I 0:04:43.146 --> 0:04:44.105 see scores and wins. 0:04:44.146 --> 0:04:45.507 And on the Instagrams, 0:04:45.547 --> 0:04:46.447 I see a lot of videos that 0:04:46.468 --> 0:04:47.309 get a billion views. 0:04:47.668 --> 0:04:48.408 And my views are only 0:04:48.449 --> 0:04:50.471 getting 400 or a thousand or nothing. 0:04:50.730 --> 0:04:52.932 And you're like, I'm in last place. 0:04:53.473 --> 0:04:55.093 And that ain't, that's not. 0:04:56.274 --> 0:04:58.475 So who wants to go first in 0:04:58.495 --> 0:05:01.077 this episode of failure? 0:05:01.218 --> 0:05:02.119 Or is it mistakes, 0:05:02.199 --> 0:05:03.139 failure of the same thing? 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:03.480 I don't know. 0:05:03.899 --> 0:05:04.980 I think it's kind of a little bit of both. 0:05:05.019 --> 0:05:05.579 I'm going to go first 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:06.461 because what I'm going to 0:05:06.500 --> 0:05:07.360 tell you is going to make 0:05:07.380 --> 0:05:08.141 you feel better about 0:05:08.161 --> 0:05:09.043 whatever you're going to say. 0:05:09.103 --> 0:05:10.663 So I'm just going to rip the bandaid off. 0:05:11.124 --> 0:05:11.343 Let's go. 0:05:11.363 --> 0:05:11.925 I'm going to tell you a 0:05:11.964 --> 0:05:13.386 story about a patient. 0:05:13.406 --> 0:05:14.906 So when I started in acute care, 0:05:15.026 --> 0:05:17.288 I didn't get a great orientation. 0:05:17.309 --> 0:05:18.228 I had never even had a 0:05:18.269 --> 0:05:19.230 clinical in acute care. 0:05:19.250 --> 0:05:20.790 I didn't really know what I was doing. 0:05:20.831 --> 0:05:22.271 So I just need you to imagine that. 0:05:23.132 --> 0:05:24.314 And then I was in the medical ICU. 0:05:27.642 --> 0:05:29.805 And one of the patients was 0:05:30.065 --> 0:05:31.067 getting really restless, 0:05:31.228 --> 0:05:32.970 really wanted to leave the hospital, 0:05:33.050 --> 0:05:34.192 wanted to go outside, 0:05:35.713 --> 0:05:36.654 no longer wanted to be there, 0:05:36.714 --> 0:05:37.776 and was willing to do 0:05:37.815 --> 0:05:39.598 whatever it took to leave the hospital. 0:05:40.139 --> 0:05:42.182 And so finally, the physician said, hey, 0:05:42.401 --> 0:05:43.362 can you please just take 0:05:43.403 --> 0:05:44.665 this patient outside? 0:05:45.665 --> 0:05:46.326 And he had, like, 0:05:46.367 --> 0:05:48.127 a drain coming out of his skull, 0:05:48.187 --> 0:05:48.968 one of those ones that's, like, 0:05:49.009 --> 0:05:50.250 sutured into the top. 0:05:50.350 --> 0:05:52.112 And, like, all of that's, like, 0:05:52.351 --> 0:05:53.692 on the IV pole. 0:05:53.872 --> 0:05:54.853 And he's not walking right. 0:05:54.894 --> 0:05:56.295 We're just going to go in a wheelchair. 0:05:57.036 --> 0:06:01.360 But so I'm new, suddenly in the ICU. 0:06:02.060 --> 0:06:03.161 And they want me to take 0:06:03.221 --> 0:06:06.144 someone out of the ICU into the wild. 0:06:06.543 --> 0:06:07.084 And I was like... 0:06:08.009 --> 0:06:09.791 Okay, because I believe in that. 0:06:10.031 --> 0:06:11.233 I'm like, if you want to go outside, 0:06:11.293 --> 0:06:12.214 I'm going to try and get you there. 0:06:13.475 --> 0:06:14.476 But I was so nervous. 0:06:14.958 --> 0:06:16.418 And the patient knew I was nervous. 0:06:16.899 --> 0:06:18.541 And he was probably around my age, 0:06:18.581 --> 0:06:20.824 which also made me feel nervous. 0:06:20.903 --> 0:06:21.504 And I know you're supposed 0:06:21.524 --> 0:06:22.526 to always act like you know 0:06:22.545 --> 0:06:24.408 more than the patient, but it was scary. 0:06:24.848 --> 0:06:26.389 And so we're going out in the wheelchair. 0:06:27.420 --> 0:06:28.701 And we hit a bump coming out 0:06:28.721 --> 0:06:30.903 of the hospital and I'm like, oh my God. 0:06:30.963 --> 0:06:31.764 And I'm like holding onto 0:06:31.805 --> 0:06:33.286 the pole and I'm holding onto the thing, 0:06:33.346 --> 0:06:34.226 remembering that there's a 0:06:34.286 --> 0:06:36.608 drain in his brain that's 0:06:36.627 --> 0:06:38.129 attached to this pole and 0:06:38.149 --> 0:06:39.149 we make it over all the bumps. 0:06:39.170 --> 0:06:40.992 And I'm like, okay, okay. 0:06:41.031 --> 0:06:41.793 He didn't fall. 0:06:41.872 --> 0:06:42.793 The drain didn't fall. 0:06:42.812 --> 0:06:43.754 Like nothing fell. 0:06:44.814 --> 0:06:46.396 And then as we're going into the garden, 0:06:46.475 --> 0:06:48.057 cause we have this beautiful garden, 0:06:49.098 --> 0:06:49.358 you know, 0:06:49.418 --> 0:06:52.420 those like differences in the sidewalk. 0:06:53.101 --> 0:06:53.281 Yeah. 0:06:53.502 --> 0:06:54.142 Like the paper. 0:06:54.942 --> 0:06:55.122 Yeah. 0:06:55.142 --> 0:06:55.884 I hit one of those. 0:06:55.903 --> 0:06:56.644 Okay. 0:06:57.867 --> 0:06:58.807 had my hand in front of the 0:06:58.846 --> 0:06:59.507 patient's chest. 0:06:59.588 --> 0:07:01.327 Patient didn't go anywhere, but the pole, 0:07:01.348 --> 0:07:04.869 all the way onto the ground, 0:07:05.329 --> 0:07:06.529 holding on this guy's head. 0:07:06.550 --> 0:07:08.889 And I'm like, oh my God, oh my God. 0:07:09.110 --> 0:07:10.271 And I start panicking, right? 0:07:10.290 --> 0:07:11.271 And there's all these people 0:07:11.350 --> 0:07:13.632 around and he's bent forward like this. 0:07:13.752 --> 0:07:14.992 And it's sutured in so deeply, 0:07:15.031 --> 0:07:16.612 like it's not actually coming out. 0:07:16.713 --> 0:07:18.793 It's all fine, but it looks really bad. 0:07:19.033 --> 0:07:20.093 And he just turns his head 0:07:20.113 --> 0:07:20.793 and he looks at me and he goes, 0:07:21.959 --> 0:07:22.699 you need to calm down. 0:07:25.541 --> 0:07:26.682 I just need you to calm down. 0:07:26.923 --> 0:07:27.923 You're ruining this for me. 0:07:30.665 --> 0:07:32.225 And so I picked up the pole, 0:07:32.985 --> 0:07:34.107 took some cleansing breaths. 0:07:34.586 --> 0:07:34.927 Yeah. 0:07:35.827 --> 0:07:36.627 And then we had a great time 0:07:36.668 --> 0:07:37.088 in the garden. 0:07:39.269 --> 0:07:39.649 You didn't, 0:07:40.569 --> 0:07:41.571 your heart rate didn't come 0:07:41.591 --> 0:07:42.310 down for hours. 0:07:42.350 --> 0:07:44.132 No, no, no, no, it didn't. 0:07:44.211 --> 0:07:44.913 And I thought maybe I 0:07:44.952 --> 0:07:46.153 shouldn't be a physical therapist. 0:07:46.192 --> 0:07:47.254 I shouldn't be in the ICU. 0:07:47.334 --> 0:07:48.175 I definitely like was 0:07:48.235 --> 0:07:49.134 regretting my choice to 0:07:49.175 --> 0:07:50.276 move into acute care. 0:07:50.315 --> 0:07:50.536 Like, 0:07:51.709 --> 0:07:52.069 Not great. 0:07:53.211 --> 0:07:53.632 All right. 0:07:53.732 --> 0:07:55.252 Well, laughing about it now. 0:07:55.372 --> 0:07:57.274 I like how the patient was 0:07:57.314 --> 0:07:57.935 the teacher there. 0:07:58.475 --> 0:07:58.675 Yes. 0:07:59.016 --> 0:08:00.137 Aren't they always, though? 0:08:00.156 --> 0:08:00.997 Yeah. 0:08:01.098 --> 0:08:02.500 I'm going to need to calm down. 0:08:02.519 --> 0:08:05.242 I'm going to need to calm down. 0:08:06.862 --> 0:08:08.324 I'm glad it didn't come out. 0:08:08.404 --> 0:08:09.125 I wouldn't want to have that 0:08:09.165 --> 0:08:10.567 visual in my head the rest of the day. 0:08:10.966 --> 0:08:11.086 No. 0:08:11.487 --> 0:08:12.528 I still think about it. 0:08:12.548 --> 0:08:13.428 I still think about it. 0:08:13.488 --> 0:08:15.050 Every time I have a patient with a drain, 0:08:15.130 --> 0:08:15.370 I'm like... 0:08:17.269 --> 0:08:18.451 The journey my heart rate 0:08:18.490 --> 0:08:20.132 went on during your story, Rebecca. 0:08:20.853 --> 0:08:23.136 Oh, my God. 0:08:23.435 --> 0:08:24.716 So I'll tell a clinical story. 0:08:24.737 --> 0:08:26.759 But in radio, when we used to use CDs, 0:08:26.778 --> 0:08:28.221 there would be three CD players. 0:08:28.420 --> 0:08:29.541 And you were playing one, 0:08:29.641 --> 0:08:31.663 and then there were two on the way. 0:08:32.485 --> 0:08:33.806 But inevitably, someone told me this. 0:08:34.025 --> 0:08:36.187 The CDs were in these little 0:08:36.908 --> 0:08:37.669 plastic cases. 0:08:38.671 --> 0:08:39.491 And then you'd push up, 0:08:39.511 --> 0:08:40.292 and it would pop out. 0:08:41.174 --> 0:08:42.196 That's how you pop the CD out. 0:08:42.916 --> 0:08:43.775 And someone told me when 0:08:43.875 --> 0:08:44.876 they were teaching me how to use it, 0:08:44.917 --> 0:08:45.918 like you will pop out the 0:08:45.998 --> 0:08:46.798 one that is playing on the 0:08:46.878 --> 0:08:47.698 air and then you will be 0:08:47.759 --> 0:08:48.859 dead air for until you 0:08:49.298 --> 0:08:50.279 frantically figure out what 0:08:50.299 --> 0:08:51.039 song to put on next. 0:08:51.059 --> 0:08:52.221 And I'm like, I'm never going to do that. 0:08:53.241 --> 0:08:54.542 And then you do that and you 0:08:54.562 --> 0:08:55.462 get a shot of adrenaline 0:08:55.482 --> 0:08:56.543 because you realize what you just did, 0:08:56.643 --> 0:08:57.224 even though the funny part 0:08:57.244 --> 0:08:58.384 is no one can see you doing it. 0:08:58.524 --> 0:08:59.164 Like it could have just been 0:08:59.205 --> 0:08:59.725 mechanical there. 0:08:59.745 --> 0:09:00.926 You could play it off, but you know, 0:09:00.946 --> 0:09:01.285 you did it. 0:09:01.625 --> 0:09:02.567 You get a shot of adrenaline 0:09:02.586 --> 0:09:03.966 and you feel like an idiot 0:09:03.986 --> 0:09:04.768 for the rest of the day and 0:09:04.788 --> 0:09:05.587 you doubt why you're there. 0:09:06.729 --> 0:09:08.769 But every Rebecca just said, 0:09:08.929 --> 0:09:10.410 every time I reach for that city player, 0:09:11.147 --> 0:09:13.208 I thought for a quarter of a second, 0:09:13.328 --> 0:09:15.110 is this the one I'm not 0:09:15.130 --> 0:09:15.731 supposed to pop out? 0:09:15.751 --> 0:09:17.413 Because I've touched the stove, 0:09:17.754 --> 0:09:19.154 I've burned my hand, and now I'm going, 0:09:19.215 --> 0:09:20.996 oh, wait, is that the burner that was on? 0:09:21.136 --> 0:09:21.697 Nope, nope, nope. 0:09:21.798 --> 0:09:22.097 Okay, good. 0:09:22.979 --> 0:09:23.679 That's how we learn. 0:09:24.019 --> 0:09:24.841 We're big, dumb animals, 0:09:24.961 --> 0:09:26.001 and we learn by that. 0:09:26.182 --> 0:09:27.562 Like, you have to get burned a little bit. 0:09:28.203 --> 0:09:30.025 I really appreciate, lately, Jimmy, 0:09:30.145 --> 0:09:31.768 I've been seeing you posting on, like, 0:09:33.034 --> 0:09:34.115 How we learn, right? 0:09:34.416 --> 0:09:36.476 The education and how life 0:09:36.798 --> 0:09:38.359 is the test and we do the 0:09:38.399 --> 0:09:39.278 test and we fail the test 0:09:39.318 --> 0:09:40.200 and then we learn where a 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.260 school is backwards, right? 0:09:41.740 --> 0:09:44.442 And I think like my first 0:09:44.482 --> 0:09:45.123 mistake that I'm going to 0:09:45.163 --> 0:09:46.063 talk about is a little more 0:09:46.104 --> 0:09:46.784 on the light side, 0:09:46.845 --> 0:09:48.024 but I think it is very much 0:09:48.065 --> 0:09:49.647 like I had to goof it up. 0:09:50.106 --> 0:09:50.226 Yeah. 0:09:50.527 --> 0:09:51.467 really badly. 0:09:51.788 --> 0:09:53.068 And then now I don't make 0:09:53.129 --> 0:09:54.690 that mistake anymore because I check. 0:09:55.149 --> 0:09:56.091 So I was working with a 0:09:56.130 --> 0:09:58.052 patient who had breast 0:09:58.072 --> 0:09:59.832 cancer and had a mastectomy, 0:09:59.932 --> 0:10:02.774 like a single mastectomy, one side, 0:10:03.015 --> 0:10:04.416 one side was the surgical side. 0:10:04.456 --> 0:10:05.197 The other was not. 0:10:05.736 --> 0:10:06.337 And so I get it. 0:10:06.357 --> 0:10:07.217 I'm working with the patient 0:10:07.298 --> 0:10:08.418 on her shoulder range of motion, 0:10:08.438 --> 0:10:08.798 whatever. 0:10:08.879 --> 0:10:10.360 And I'm like 30 minutes in 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.322 manual stretching, all the things, 0:10:12.361 --> 0:10:12.721 whatever. 0:10:13.261 --> 0:10:15.683 And she so kindly was like, Oh, 0:10:15.744 --> 0:10:16.965 this has felt so great. 0:10:17.024 --> 0:10:17.904 Are we going to do the same 0:10:17.945 --> 0:10:18.885 to my other side? 0:10:18.905 --> 0:10:19.986 And I just, 0:10:22.128 --> 0:10:22.707 Oh, my God. 0:10:23.087 --> 0:10:24.688 And I credit my clinical 0:10:24.749 --> 0:10:26.250 instructor because she was 0:10:26.330 --> 0:10:27.269 outside and I'm sure she 0:10:27.289 --> 0:10:29.230 was mentally coaching me from afar. 0:10:29.730 --> 0:10:30.811 And it was just like, you know, 0:10:30.870 --> 0:10:33.673 sometimes there's some carryover between, 0:10:33.712 --> 0:10:33.932 you know, 0:10:33.972 --> 0:10:36.214 the non-affected to the affected side. 0:10:36.254 --> 0:10:37.693 So we're just getting that side ready. 0:10:37.793 --> 0:10:39.134 And now we're going to work on this side. 0:10:39.621 --> 0:10:40.523 We got to get a baseline. 0:10:40.543 --> 0:10:41.482 What I wanted to do is I 0:10:41.503 --> 0:10:42.903 started with the unaffected side, 0:10:42.984 --> 0:10:43.945 not the good or bad side. 0:10:44.784 --> 0:10:45.645 I wanted to get a feel. 0:10:45.666 --> 0:10:47.826 30 minutes is usually what we say. 0:10:47.866 --> 0:10:48.547 Now you're right. 0:10:48.606 --> 0:10:49.707 I'm going to switch over and 0:10:49.788 --> 0:10:51.448 do what Chris Voss from 0:10:51.469 --> 0:10:51.969 that book would say. 0:10:52.308 --> 0:10:53.730 Do late night radio DJ voice. 0:10:53.769 --> 0:10:54.169 Like, yep. 0:10:54.850 --> 0:10:55.030 Yep. 0:10:55.071 --> 0:10:56.731 What I'm doing there is I'm 0:10:56.971 --> 0:10:57.712 switching sides now. 0:10:58.613 --> 0:10:59.913 I just want you to feel comfortable. 0:11:00.033 --> 0:11:02.455 I just want to relax before 0:11:02.475 --> 0:11:03.436 we moved on to that. 0:11:03.515 --> 0:11:04.395 I just want you to know what 0:11:04.436 --> 0:11:05.576 it should feel like. 0:11:05.876 --> 0:11:06.597 And now we're going to get 0:11:06.638 --> 0:11:07.577 the other side to that. 0:11:07.998 --> 0:11:08.278 But like... 0:11:09.827 --> 0:11:12.691 As much as healthcare people mock patients, 0:11:12.730 --> 0:11:14.253 like, lay on your back, 0:11:14.293 --> 0:11:16.595 and then they just go, on my back, 0:11:16.975 --> 0:11:18.056 or with my back in the air. 0:11:18.657 --> 0:11:19.918 When I would go to get a massage, 0:11:19.937 --> 0:11:20.899 they're like, on your back. 0:11:20.918 --> 0:11:23.280 And I'm like, yep, my back. 0:11:23.500 --> 0:11:24.341 You're going to rub my back, 0:11:24.361 --> 0:11:25.582 so I need to be on my stomach. 0:11:26.063 --> 0:11:26.903 They were very clear with 0:11:26.923 --> 0:11:27.485 their instruction. 0:11:28.004 --> 0:11:28.806 But our brains are dumb. 0:11:30.248 --> 0:11:31.087 Especially because you're in 0:11:31.128 --> 0:11:32.450 this weird spot, too. 0:11:32.470 --> 0:11:33.370 Like, what do I... 0:11:34.937 --> 0:11:35.576 I see it a lot, 0:11:35.636 --> 0:11:36.597 and I saw it a lot with a 0:11:36.738 --> 0:11:38.479 stand-up comedian will do it with cops. 0:11:38.619 --> 0:11:40.479 He was mocking police officers. 0:11:40.979 --> 0:11:41.879 And not to mock cops, 0:11:41.940 --> 0:11:42.779 but they're in a 0:11:42.820 --> 0:11:43.720 high-pressure situation 0:11:44.221 --> 0:11:45.821 trying to get someone to do something. 0:11:46.301 --> 0:11:47.062 So a lot of times, 0:11:47.721 --> 0:11:48.682 forget what comedian it was. 0:11:48.721 --> 0:11:48.981 He's like, 0:11:49.062 --> 0:11:50.302 I'm going to go ahead and ask 0:11:50.342 --> 0:11:52.124 you to turn the car off. 0:11:52.144 --> 0:11:53.063 I'm going to go ahead and 0:11:53.144 --> 0:11:54.484 ask you to get out of the car. 0:11:54.565 --> 0:11:55.345 And the guy was like... 0:11:55.924 --> 0:11:56.826 Are you going to ask me? 0:11:56.905 --> 0:11:58.046 Are you asking me to do that? 0:11:58.346 --> 0:11:58.947 And then a lot of times 0:11:58.966 --> 0:11:59.767 you'll get multiple 0:11:59.807 --> 0:12:00.768 instructions at the same time. 0:12:00.788 --> 0:12:02.528 Hands up, hands up, put your hands up, 0:12:02.568 --> 0:12:03.330 put your hands behind your back, 0:12:03.370 --> 0:12:04.190 put your hands behind your head, 0:12:04.269 --> 0:12:04.830 interlock it. 0:12:05.130 --> 0:12:06.331 But open the door and you're like, 0:12:07.011 --> 0:12:07.812 which one of those things 0:12:07.831 --> 0:12:08.773 do you want me to do right now? 0:12:08.793 --> 0:12:09.513 Because this is the first 0:12:09.533 --> 0:12:10.714 time I've been in this situation. 0:12:10.813 --> 0:12:12.014 And a lot of times patience 0:12:12.075 --> 0:12:12.634 is the first time I've been 0:12:12.654 --> 0:12:14.155 in that situation on my 0:12:14.176 --> 0:12:15.736 stomach or you want to my 0:12:15.777 --> 0:12:18.719 stomach up or the we do we flip flop. 0:12:19.172 --> 0:12:20.673 This is kind of like related unrelated, 0:12:20.712 --> 0:12:22.113 but I found an Instagram 0:12:22.153 --> 0:12:23.094 account yesterday called 0:12:23.134 --> 0:12:24.033 Emergency Resilience. 0:12:24.053 --> 0:12:25.475 Okay. 0:12:25.495 --> 0:12:26.956 And it is really interesting. 0:12:27.056 --> 0:12:28.275 And one of the things this 0:12:28.316 --> 0:12:29.437 person teaches people is 0:12:29.537 --> 0:12:30.476 how to do death 0:12:30.537 --> 0:12:31.918 notifications appropriately. 0:12:33.283 --> 0:12:34.365 And one of the things she 0:12:34.404 --> 0:12:36.366 posted was all the ways 0:12:36.447 --> 0:12:37.769 that people talk around it 0:12:37.948 --> 0:12:39.110 are confusing and hurtful 0:12:39.149 --> 0:12:40.532 to the person that you're notifying. 0:12:40.991 --> 0:12:42.214 So like, just like you were saying, 0:12:42.234 --> 0:12:43.554 the too many instructions, they're like, 0:12:43.595 --> 0:12:45.677 the person's passed, they're gone, 0:12:45.898 --> 0:12:47.219 they're not with us anymore. 0:12:47.460 --> 0:12:48.260 And they were like, 0:12:48.301 --> 0:12:49.221 family members were like, 0:12:49.361 --> 0:12:50.182 where did they go? 0:12:52.325 --> 0:12:53.926 Are they at a different hospital? 0:12:54.066 --> 0:12:55.366 Like they didn't make it, 0:12:55.407 --> 0:12:56.307 didn't make what? 0:12:56.408 --> 0:12:57.528 Like they weren't in surgery. 0:12:57.568 --> 0:12:58.909 Like what, what happened? 0:12:59.370 --> 0:12:59.770 And she said, 0:12:59.791 --> 0:13:00.932 it's really crucial to 0:13:01.011 --> 0:13:02.092 actually like use the words 0:13:02.212 --> 0:13:04.075 dead or died and that it's 0:13:04.115 --> 0:13:06.256 like the most effective way to do that. 0:13:06.336 --> 0:13:07.157 And so I think about how 0:13:07.216 --> 0:13:08.958 many times I'm communicating. 0:13:09.078 --> 0:13:10.740 I mean, not that serious of things, 0:13:10.799 --> 0:13:12.442 but how unclearly am I 0:13:12.501 --> 0:13:13.383 communicating and what 0:13:13.442 --> 0:13:14.744 words should I really be using? 0:13:14.764 --> 0:13:15.303 Yeah. 0:13:15.965 --> 0:13:16.985 The military uses, 0:13:17.046 --> 0:13:18.187 have you guys ever heard of bluff? 0:13:19.616 --> 0:13:20.457 The military uses this 0:13:20.538 --> 0:13:21.859 acronym bottom line up front. 0:13:22.418 --> 0:13:23.779 And a lot of innovation 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.322 comes out of military or cops, firemen, 0:13:26.361 --> 0:13:26.461 EMTs, 0:13:26.481 --> 0:13:28.143 because it's like sort of important 0:13:28.623 --> 0:13:29.443 to get the message right. 0:13:29.563 --> 0:13:30.024 Like now. 0:13:30.304 --> 0:13:31.384 So bottom line up front is 0:13:31.404 --> 0:13:33.267 like the third sentence in 0:13:33.287 --> 0:13:34.187 your message should not be 0:13:34.206 --> 0:13:34.927 the patient is dead. 0:13:35.388 --> 0:13:36.889 That's that's the subject line. 0:13:36.969 --> 0:13:38.950 That is in journalism. 0:13:38.990 --> 0:13:40.812 It's what they call the inverted pyramid. 0:13:41.710 --> 0:13:42.910 It's a it's a pyramid that's 0:13:42.971 --> 0:13:44.412 wide of a top and pointy at the bottom. 0:13:44.451 --> 0:13:45.472 Read any news story or any 0:13:45.592 --> 0:13:46.553 good blog article. 0:13:46.634 --> 0:13:48.174 And the most important stuff is the top. 0:13:48.635 --> 0:13:48.816 Right. 0:13:49.155 --> 0:13:49.736 It should be structured 0:13:49.756 --> 0:13:50.397 because a lot of times 0:13:50.456 --> 0:13:51.398 people don't make it to the bottom. 0:13:51.518 --> 0:13:53.980 So you better bottom line up front. 0:13:54.340 --> 0:13:55.620 I know it's the bottom line 0:13:55.761 --> 0:13:57.623 because in math, 0:13:57.883 --> 0:13:58.663 the answer is at the bottom. 0:13:58.943 --> 0:13:59.163 Right. 0:13:59.384 --> 0:14:00.706 Forty two plus sixty two. 0:14:00.745 --> 0:14:02.866 And the answer to the bottom flip it. 0:14:03.628 --> 0:14:04.629 Bottom line is going to be up front. 0:14:05.369 --> 0:14:06.690 If I were to suggest a book, 0:14:07.390 --> 0:14:08.751 it would be smart brevity. 0:14:10.264 --> 0:14:13.486 This guy, Dave Pavo, gave me a compliment. 0:14:13.527 --> 0:14:15.488 He was like, you've read Smart Brevity. 0:14:15.508 --> 0:14:15.748 I was like, 0:14:15.768 --> 0:14:16.908 I have no idea what you're talking about. 0:14:17.408 --> 0:14:17.948 And he's like, 0:14:18.188 --> 0:14:18.850 have you guys ever heard of 0:14:18.909 --> 0:14:20.149 Politico or Axios? 0:14:20.350 --> 0:14:21.650 They're like political whatever, 0:14:21.750 --> 0:14:22.371 but that's not why. 0:14:22.951 --> 0:14:23.532 They sort of, 0:14:23.611 --> 0:14:25.513 they went from being writers 0:14:25.572 --> 0:14:27.394 at like the Washington Post or whatever, 0:14:27.413 --> 0:14:28.815 these big news outlets that 0:14:28.835 --> 0:14:29.775 would write three, four, 0:14:29.775 --> 0:14:31.416 5,000 word articles. 0:14:32.517 --> 0:14:34.118 And then when journalism went online, 0:14:34.138 --> 0:14:35.839 they could measure how far 0:14:35.918 --> 0:14:37.399 people went or how long 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.660 they read and where they thought 0:14:40.296 --> 0:14:41.596 I wrote a 4,000 word article. 0:14:41.636 --> 0:14:43.256 It's my 4,000 word article 0:14:43.277 --> 0:14:43.837 is better than your 0:14:43.857 --> 0:14:44.697 thousand word article. 0:14:45.979 --> 0:14:47.259 Not if I use a thousand of the best, 0:14:47.339 --> 0:14:47.980 better words. 0:14:48.279 --> 0:14:48.500 Right. 0:14:48.820 --> 0:14:49.460 And they were able to 0:14:49.620 --> 0:14:50.900 measure now that journalism 0:14:50.941 --> 0:14:52.381 went digital and they found 0:14:52.522 --> 0:14:54.623 this smart brevity format 0:14:55.302 --> 0:14:55.842 and you've read it, 0:14:55.923 --> 0:14:56.724 whether you know it or not, 0:14:56.783 --> 0:14:58.784 a lot of brands that write 0:14:59.085 --> 0:15:00.504 words and these are words 0:15:00.725 --> 0:15:05.388 or scripts for videos because videos 15, 0:15:05.388 --> 0:15:05.947 five years ago. 0:15:06.908 --> 0:15:08.009 Just shorts now. 0:15:08.570 --> 0:15:09.769 We can now transmit more 0:15:09.789 --> 0:15:11.110 information in a 60 second 0:15:11.150 --> 0:15:12.331 or less short than people 0:15:12.370 --> 0:15:13.490 did in a 10 minute video. 0:15:14.851 --> 0:15:16.131 And the scientific principle 0:15:16.172 --> 0:15:19.533 there is signal versus noise ratio. 0:15:19.854 --> 0:15:20.813 So there's a lot of noise, 0:15:21.014 --> 0:15:21.734 but you need that one 0:15:21.754 --> 0:15:22.575 little message to go. 0:15:22.715 --> 0:15:22.894 Great. 0:15:22.975 --> 0:15:24.294 Bottom line up front or 0:15:24.375 --> 0:15:27.096 smart brevity or tell me 0:15:27.436 --> 0:15:29.317 the question in the book, smart brevity. 0:15:29.476 --> 0:15:30.397 You don't even need to buy it now. 0:15:30.437 --> 0:15:31.337 I just gave you all the good parts. 0:15:31.937 --> 0:15:32.837 The question they always say is, 0:15:32.957 --> 0:15:34.119 are you telling me 0:15:34.139 --> 0:15:34.798 something I don't know? 0:15:35.854 --> 0:15:37.115 And if the answer is no, 0:15:37.355 --> 0:15:37.916 I'm telling you something 0:15:37.936 --> 0:15:40.636 you do know is why you're writing this. 0:15:40.738 --> 0:15:41.518 We've all seen this, though. 0:15:41.597 --> 0:15:42.739 This meeting could have been an email. 0:15:43.038 --> 0:15:44.900 That's the opposite of smart brevity. 0:15:45.421 --> 0:15:46.140 Why did we do this? 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.282 This could have been an email. 0:15:47.402 --> 0:15:48.942 Do you want to know why a 0:15:48.982 --> 0:15:50.585 lot of meetings that could 0:15:50.605 --> 0:15:51.664 have been an email are meetings? 0:15:52.306 --> 0:15:52.645 Emotion. 0:15:52.846 --> 0:15:54.847 People want to attend. 0:15:55.368 --> 0:15:56.208 They think that they need to 0:15:56.269 --> 0:15:57.328 transmit the emotion. 0:15:57.369 --> 0:15:57.970 And by doing that, 0:15:57.990 --> 0:15:58.509 they're going to talk to 0:15:58.529 --> 0:15:59.051 you for 20 minutes. 0:15:59.955 --> 0:16:01.677 That's too much noise and no signal. 0:16:01.756 --> 0:16:02.538 But you leave and you're like, 0:16:02.918 --> 0:16:03.658 what was that about? 0:16:03.678 --> 0:16:04.740 We've all had those meetings. 0:16:05.039 --> 0:16:06.020 A friend of mine was talking 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:07.361 about this meeting yesterday. 0:16:07.903 --> 0:16:11.866 Her kids' dance group, team, company, 0:16:11.907 --> 0:16:13.408 whatever, where the kids go to dance. 0:16:13.869 --> 0:16:14.589 They had this meeting with 0:16:14.609 --> 0:16:15.370 the instructors and they're like, 0:16:15.389 --> 0:16:16.971 there's too much this. 0:16:17.011 --> 0:16:17.972 And at the end, I was like, 0:16:17.993 --> 0:16:18.592 what was the meeting about? 0:16:18.633 --> 0:16:19.153 She's like, I don't know. 0:16:19.894 --> 0:16:20.575 Sounds like they're mad. 0:16:20.835 --> 0:16:21.296 I'm like, okay, 0:16:21.336 --> 0:16:22.277 I didn't have that emotion. 0:16:24.138 --> 0:16:25.220 But smart brevity. 0:16:25.259 --> 0:16:29.325 So I like this, which is get to the point. 0:16:29.546 --> 0:16:30.187 And you don't need to be 0:16:31.087 --> 0:16:32.490 sterile or insincere about it, 0:16:33.130 --> 0:16:34.312 but you need to clearly communicate it, 0:16:34.392 --> 0:16:36.596 especially in situations 0:16:36.696 --> 0:16:38.398 like death or something serious. 0:16:39.211 --> 0:16:41.514 Do you want, so hearing both of you, 0:16:41.594 --> 0:16:42.214 I was going to tell a 0:16:42.254 --> 0:16:43.575 different failure that was 0:16:43.695 --> 0:16:45.197 not nearly as impactful or funny, 0:16:45.417 --> 0:16:46.918 but I'll tell a one that's recent. 0:16:47.317 --> 0:16:49.419 So as some of you guys know, 0:16:49.460 --> 0:16:50.200 but some people may not, 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.302 my dad had a stroke seven months ago. 0:16:53.442 --> 0:16:53.863 Awesome. 0:16:53.883 --> 0:16:54.984 I have $150,000 degree. 0:16:55.384 --> 0:16:55.945 I'm prepared for this. 0:16:56.325 --> 0:16:57.125 No physical issues. 0:16:57.466 --> 0:16:58.606 Everything's, everything's a failure. 0:16:59.206 --> 0:17:01.648 So my degree, awesome, doesn't work. 0:17:02.048 --> 0:17:03.729 I mean, I'm sure it helps, but like, 0:17:04.308 --> 0:17:05.009 I have to, I'm like, 0:17:05.250 --> 0:17:07.029 I have no speech training, right? 0:17:07.089 --> 0:17:08.691 Speech language pathologists 0:17:08.711 --> 0:17:10.031 are my friends and several 0:17:10.071 --> 0:17:10.951 are friends and have helped me. 0:17:11.051 --> 0:17:11.432 So thank you. 0:17:13.093 --> 0:17:13.532 I am, 0:17:13.573 --> 0:17:14.874 my dad's home for a couple of months 0:17:14.993 --> 0:17:16.294 at my house and it's, 0:17:16.433 --> 0:17:18.515 it was nicer out and I'm, my dad's fine. 0:17:18.555 --> 0:17:20.276 He's moving around the house just fine. 0:17:20.836 --> 0:17:22.196 And the air conditioning 0:17:22.237 --> 0:17:23.557 breaks and my dad does not 0:17:23.617 --> 0:17:24.357 deal well in heat. 0:17:25.030 --> 0:17:25.451 So I'm like, 0:17:25.550 --> 0:17:26.991 I'm working on the air conditioner. 0:17:27.211 --> 0:17:27.852 I'm working on it. 0:17:27.872 --> 0:17:28.833 I have no idea what I'm doing, 0:17:28.873 --> 0:17:30.073 but I'm trying to solve the problem here. 0:17:30.873 --> 0:17:33.153 And I say, I think I'm smart. 0:17:33.654 --> 0:17:34.355 Go jump in the car. 0:17:34.654 --> 0:17:35.815 The air conditioner in the car will work. 0:17:36.736 --> 0:17:37.895 In 92 seconds, you'll be cold. 0:17:38.576 --> 0:17:39.237 And he goes, okay. 0:17:40.116 --> 0:17:40.717 So he's in the car. 0:17:41.198 --> 0:17:42.518 My back is to the driveway. 0:17:42.557 --> 0:17:43.578 I'm in the house on the 0:17:43.618 --> 0:17:45.159 porch working on the air conditioner. 0:17:45.318 --> 0:17:46.619 I have no idea what I'm doing. 0:17:48.068 --> 0:17:49.470 And my buddy is facing me 0:17:49.710 --> 0:17:52.051 now looking to the driveway and he goes, 0:17:52.653 --> 0:17:55.555 um, your dad's driving the car. 0:17:56.035 --> 0:17:57.435 And I was like, so my dad's just, 0:17:57.576 --> 0:17:58.356 I need to paint the picture. 0:17:58.517 --> 0:18:00.479 Should not be driving a car at that point. 0:18:00.818 --> 0:18:01.599 Should not be driving a car. 0:18:02.834 --> 0:18:05.296 And my mistake was I then 0:18:05.596 --> 0:18:06.817 let emotion take over and I 0:18:06.896 --> 0:18:07.836 freaked out because I ran 0:18:07.896 --> 0:18:09.699 downstairs like a pissed 0:18:09.759 --> 0:18:12.039 parent and opened the door 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:13.060 and what are you doing? 0:18:13.141 --> 0:18:14.080 And I reached in and grabbed 0:18:14.102 --> 0:18:14.741 the keys and I was like, 0:18:14.761 --> 0:18:15.722 you can't be driving a car 0:18:16.403 --> 0:18:17.243 because I was like, 0:18:17.384 --> 0:18:18.724 if you had just jammed on the gas, 0:18:18.805 --> 0:18:19.265 I don't know if you're 0:18:19.285 --> 0:18:19.765 going to jam on the gas. 0:18:19.785 --> 0:18:20.405 You would have driven into 0:18:20.425 --> 0:18:23.268 the pool or something. 0:18:23.288 --> 0:18:24.347 You would have hurt yourself or others. 0:18:24.808 --> 0:18:25.929 And I let emotion take over. 0:18:26.509 --> 0:18:27.810 And then my dad spiraled for 0:18:27.830 --> 0:18:30.152 the rest of the day and it didn't help. 0:18:30.231 --> 0:18:31.613 I let my emotion take over. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.782 um, take over because I was scared. 0:18:35.083 --> 0:18:35.282 Right. 0:18:35.303 --> 0:18:36.624 So fear comes to the top of 0:18:36.683 --> 0:18:38.445 us where I could have said, well, 0:18:38.486 --> 0:18:39.665 he was in park when I did it. 0:18:39.686 --> 0:18:40.527 Right. 0:18:40.547 --> 0:18:41.847 So crisis averted. 0:18:42.107 --> 0:18:42.307 Right. 0:18:42.729 --> 0:18:43.849 So how do you need to react 0:18:43.869 --> 0:18:44.450 in that moment? 0:18:45.151 --> 0:18:47.172 Uh, how I reacted wasn't it. 0:18:47.913 --> 0:18:49.012 So that was a fun mistake. 0:18:49.032 --> 0:18:50.654 And we laughed about it now because he was, 0:18:50.795 --> 0:18:50.974 I was, 0:18:51.075 --> 0:18:51.996 cause I looked at him at my buddy 0:18:52.016 --> 0:18:53.317 and I was like, he's not driving the car. 0:18:53.336 --> 0:18:54.317 Do you know why he drove the car? 0:18:55.458 --> 0:18:56.338 It was a smart idea. 0:18:56.459 --> 0:18:57.420 He was in the driveway, 0:18:57.539 --> 0:18:58.279 the air conditioner was running. 0:18:58.319 --> 0:18:59.000 So he was cool. 0:18:59.993 --> 0:19:00.996 But the car was in a part of 0:19:01.016 --> 0:19:01.938 the driveway that was sunny. 0:19:02.558 --> 0:19:03.039 And he was like, well, 0:19:03.059 --> 0:19:03.781 there's shade right there. 0:19:03.801 --> 0:19:04.743 I'll just move it in the shade. 0:19:04.844 --> 0:19:05.826 So it was logical. 0:19:06.748 --> 0:19:08.230 And he did drive the car well. 0:19:08.391 --> 0:19:09.153 Better if he parked it 0:19:09.173 --> 0:19:10.174 better than a lot of people I know. 0:19:12.364 --> 0:19:13.605 who park in my driveway and 0:19:13.644 --> 0:19:15.865 you know who you are um but 0:19:16.086 --> 0:19:18.968 it was why is the email or 0:19:18.988 --> 0:19:19.588 the meeting that could have 0:19:19.608 --> 0:19:20.229 been an email an email 0:19:20.348 --> 0:19:21.849 emotion why do we dance 0:19:21.930 --> 0:19:23.111 around death notification 0:19:23.511 --> 0:19:25.712 our emotion agreed so 0:19:26.413 --> 0:19:27.834 that's where bluff or smart 0:19:27.854 --> 0:19:28.994 brevity it takes it out 0:19:29.154 --> 0:19:31.477 it's like okay what is your 0:19:31.537 --> 0:19:33.817 job here convey the message 0:19:34.278 --> 0:19:35.619 be clarity and that's this 0:19:35.660 --> 0:19:36.700 is also part of my talk at 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:37.861 csm and I didn't think I 0:19:37.881 --> 0:19:39.122 was gonna have a pitch for 0:19:39.142 --> 0:19:41.743 it but under start with the end in mind 0:19:42.503 --> 0:19:43.844 If your goal in scientific 0:19:43.884 --> 0:19:45.644 research is to achieve understanding, 0:19:46.744 --> 0:19:48.165 maybe you don't need 4,000 words. 0:19:48.365 --> 0:19:50.445 Maybe you need 15 good words. 0:19:51.307 --> 0:19:53.948 And also my session at CSM 0:19:54.008 --> 0:19:56.468 is published as the 15 yard line. 0:19:56.488 --> 0:19:57.107 It's not the end zone. 0:19:57.148 --> 0:19:58.308 You're still a couple of yards away. 0:19:58.909 --> 0:19:59.929 So I'm going to tell you about this. 0:20:00.009 --> 0:20:00.890 I told Rebecca about this. 0:20:01.930 --> 0:20:02.630 I'm doing a fake. 0:20:02.930 --> 0:20:03.810 I'm doing like a skit, 0:20:03.851 --> 0:20:04.830 like a fake football. 0:20:06.030 --> 0:20:08.211 No, this is new since we last chatted. 0:20:09.036 --> 0:20:10.878 Sheila Schindler-Ivins is my co-presenter, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.903 and she is the opposite of me. 0:20:14.104 --> 0:20:15.266 If we are the odd couple, she's... 0:20:16.279 --> 0:20:16.839 I'm Oscar. 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.059 She's the other guy, 0:20:18.079 --> 0:20:19.300 the guy who's like put together. 0:20:19.500 --> 0:20:20.381 I'm the crazy guy. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:22.221 And she's a researcher. 0:20:22.401 --> 0:20:23.020 And I said, Sheila, 0:20:23.101 --> 0:20:24.240 I think I want to convey 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:25.461 this gap because we love 0:20:25.501 --> 0:20:26.321 that phrase in science. 0:20:26.521 --> 0:20:27.221 We'll bridge the gap. 0:20:27.642 --> 0:20:29.221 But I want to do a gap in football terms. 0:20:29.241 --> 0:20:30.342 And she goes, I don't know football terms. 0:20:30.382 --> 0:20:30.561 I go, 0:20:30.582 --> 0:20:31.643 you don't need to know football terms. 0:20:31.923 --> 0:20:32.643 I'm going to do football. 0:20:32.682 --> 0:20:33.442 You're going to do science, 0:20:33.982 --> 0:20:35.682 receiving the kick, getting grant funding, 0:20:35.982 --> 0:20:37.963 running plays, doing science, 0:20:38.284 --> 0:20:41.003 like running play science analysis. 0:20:41.084 --> 0:20:42.104 And although in the booth, 0:20:42.124 --> 0:20:42.924 the offensive corner 0:20:42.964 --> 0:20:43.484 dinners and they're 0:20:43.724 --> 0:20:45.085 reviewing the iPads and all that stuff. 0:20:45.865 --> 0:20:47.207 but then I said I need to I 0:20:47.227 --> 0:20:48.970 want to I want a story to 0:20:49.109 --> 0:20:50.551 show that getting published 0:20:50.853 --> 0:20:52.074 is an accomplishment it is 0:20:52.134 --> 0:20:53.296 a checkpoint it is a first 0:20:53.316 --> 0:20:55.358 down along the way to your 0:20:55.538 --> 0:20:56.601 ultimate goal which when we 0:20:56.641 --> 0:20:57.942 started this we decided was 0:20:57.982 --> 0:21:01.248 understanding not having been published 0:21:02.664 --> 0:21:03.705 I don't go to the gym to 0:21:03.766 --> 0:21:04.846 have gone to the gym. 0:21:04.967 --> 0:21:06.847 I'd go to the gym to achieve an outcome. 0:21:07.387 --> 0:21:08.848 Publishing is not an, publishing's, 0:21:09.108 --> 0:21:09.750 maybe I'm saying this wrong. 0:21:09.930 --> 0:21:10.951 Publishing is an outcome, 0:21:11.270 --> 0:21:12.030 but it's not the ultimate outcome. 0:21:12.050 --> 0:21:12.852 It's not the final outcome. 0:21:13.051 --> 0:21:14.192 You started by receiving the 0:21:14.232 --> 0:21:15.173 kick to score a touchdown. 0:21:16.114 --> 0:21:16.994 So in the story, 0:21:18.315 --> 0:21:19.455 the Bunsen burners are 0:21:19.496 --> 0:21:20.497 playing the pseudoscience 0:21:20.596 --> 0:21:21.998 quacks in the logic bowl 0:21:22.157 --> 0:21:24.619 and it's two minutes and the team science, 0:21:24.660 --> 0:21:26.780 team Bunsen burners, 0:21:26.961 --> 0:21:28.321 they're marching down and if they score, 0:21:28.342 --> 0:21:28.761 they win. 0:21:28.781 --> 0:21:30.703 But oh, inexplicably, they take a knee. 0:21:31.778 --> 0:21:34.099 And the 15, they're like, we did it. 0:21:34.780 --> 0:21:35.661 And the whole stadium is like, 0:21:35.701 --> 0:21:37.163 why didn't you take a shot 0:21:37.182 --> 0:21:37.702 at the end zone? 0:21:37.722 --> 0:21:38.282 You had it. 0:21:39.825 --> 0:21:40.525 I also want to show the 0:21:40.565 --> 0:21:41.286 researchers that they're 0:21:41.306 --> 0:21:42.807 not necessarily all at fault, 0:21:43.047 --> 0:21:43.768 but you still are 0:21:43.807 --> 0:21:45.148 responsible because that's 0:21:45.169 --> 0:21:45.869 how they're rewarded. 0:21:45.890 --> 0:21:46.871 They're rewarded for getting 0:21:46.891 --> 0:21:48.132 to the 15 over and over again. 0:21:48.652 --> 0:21:49.692 And then we're confused why 0:21:49.712 --> 0:21:50.973 they're 17 years from publish, 0:21:52.055 --> 0:21:52.996 bench to bedside or whatever. 0:21:53.375 --> 0:21:55.738 I'm like, well, 0:21:56.018 --> 0:21:56.618 why don't you just hand it 0:21:56.638 --> 0:21:57.278 to Marshawn Lynch? 0:21:57.298 --> 0:21:57.819 He'll punch it in. 0:21:58.648 --> 0:22:01.051 But we stop because they 0:22:01.092 --> 0:22:01.712 don't have the tools, 0:22:01.752 --> 0:22:02.653 the training and the time 0:22:03.013 --> 0:22:04.756 or incentivization. 0:22:04.776 --> 0:22:05.457 You don't get any more. 0:22:05.477 --> 0:22:07.558 And it's not about money for researchers. 0:22:07.699 --> 0:22:08.579 I'm not saying this, 0:22:08.980 --> 0:22:10.082 but it's about like your 0:22:10.182 --> 0:22:12.884 time is being tracked, right? 0:22:12.904 --> 0:22:13.786 Like your boss isn't going 0:22:13.806 --> 0:22:14.626 to be paying you for 0:22:14.666 --> 0:22:16.048 something you're not being rewarded for. 0:22:16.348 --> 0:22:16.990 System's broken. 0:22:18.601 --> 0:22:19.741 I'm going to give so okay 0:22:19.821 --> 0:22:20.982 great thanks jimmy doom and 0:22:21.002 --> 0:22:22.104 gloomy but I'm going to 0:22:22.144 --> 0:22:23.204 show people 15 different 0:22:23.244 --> 0:22:24.707 ways to actually do this 0:22:25.086 --> 0:22:26.387 and you can diy do it 0:22:26.407 --> 0:22:27.308 yourself you can have 0:22:27.348 --> 0:22:28.048 someone do it with you 0:22:28.069 --> 0:22:29.651 we're gonna have some do it 0:22:29.671 --> 0:22:31.932 diy do it with you dw do it 0:22:31.992 --> 0:22:34.796 with y and then dfy do it 0:22:34.816 --> 0:22:37.817 for you all these things uh 0:22:38.199 --> 0:22:39.539 you know more resources are 0:22:39.559 --> 0:22:40.299 required if someone does it 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:41.361 for you gotta hire someone 0:22:41.842 --> 0:22:42.942 but it's not a million dollars 0:22:43.222 --> 0:22:44.763 But I'm going to use real research. 0:22:44.784 --> 0:22:45.625 I'm going to do the thing. 0:22:45.664 --> 0:22:46.806 Like, hey, I would say, hey, 0:22:46.865 --> 0:22:47.586 if you're a researcher, 0:22:47.646 --> 0:22:48.426 have you written a Twitter 0:22:48.468 --> 0:22:49.448 thread about your research 0:22:49.828 --> 0:22:50.729 in language people can 0:22:50.749 --> 0:22:51.809 understand about the 0:22:51.890 --> 0:22:52.911 benefits of what you found? 0:22:52.931 --> 0:22:53.912 And they're like, no. 0:22:54.333 --> 0:22:55.012 So I'm not just going to say 0:22:55.053 --> 0:22:55.634 write a Twitter thread. 0:22:55.753 --> 0:22:56.855 We're going to pick a real 0:22:56.875 --> 0:22:57.515 paper and I'm going to 0:22:57.535 --> 0:22:58.076 write a tweet thread. 0:22:58.796 --> 0:22:59.797 Oh, that's exciting. 0:23:00.157 --> 0:23:01.358 Tweet three like that. 0:23:01.499 --> 0:23:02.559 Why I put the link for the 0:23:02.599 --> 0:23:04.101 full paper at the bottom, not the top. 0:23:05.362 --> 0:23:06.122 or the bottom and the top. 0:23:06.142 --> 0:23:06.442 I don't know. 0:23:06.922 --> 0:23:09.182 I'm using a theme of the matrix. 0:23:09.423 --> 0:23:10.343 We picked a paper about 0:23:10.442 --> 0:23:12.104 walking efficiency and stuff like that. 0:23:12.423 --> 0:23:13.044 And I'm using, it's a, 0:23:13.243 --> 0:23:13.804 it's going to be done in 0:23:13.824 --> 0:23:14.663 the tone of Morpheus. 0:23:15.625 --> 0:23:15.964 Okay. 0:23:16.005 --> 0:23:17.244 But like how many people are 0:23:17.265 --> 0:23:19.486 going to know who Morpheus is? 0:23:20.526 --> 0:23:20.925 Good call. 0:23:21.006 --> 0:23:22.105 So maybe I'll do a different version too. 0:23:23.006 --> 0:23:24.067 I like, I mean, 0:23:24.366 --> 0:23:25.787 some of us here are aged 0:23:25.946 --> 0:23:27.167 and others are not. 0:23:27.448 --> 0:23:28.647 You know who Morpheus is? 0:23:31.380 --> 0:23:32.000 Well, yeah. 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:33.221 You and I are the same age. 0:23:33.481 --> 0:23:34.021 You're the audience. 0:23:34.222 --> 0:23:35.483 This is researcher to researcher. 0:23:35.503 --> 0:23:36.384 Okay. 0:23:36.785 --> 0:23:37.385 And researchers. 0:23:40.268 --> 0:23:41.568 The Matrix was a dorky movie. 0:23:41.910 --> 0:23:42.730 I mean, it was a cool movie. 0:23:42.750 --> 0:23:44.511 I actually wrote a paper on it in college. 0:23:47.054 --> 0:23:48.236 Thank you for proving me right. 0:23:49.616 --> 0:23:50.277 Oh, Adam's here. 0:23:50.297 --> 0:23:51.298 We just had Adam on the show. 0:23:51.317 --> 0:23:51.679 We do this. 0:23:51.699 --> 0:23:52.499 Adam! 0:23:52.799 --> 0:23:54.060 Big reaction reinforces the 0:23:54.101 --> 0:23:55.281 behavior that we're trying to avoid. 0:23:55.301 --> 0:23:56.323 The big reaction reinforces. 0:23:57.980 --> 0:23:59.301 This is like us yelling at dogs. 0:23:59.682 --> 0:24:00.383 Dogs are barking. 0:24:00.423 --> 0:24:01.182 So we yell at them. 0:24:01.262 --> 0:24:02.064 Do you know what dogs do? 0:24:02.423 --> 0:24:03.984 They hear us barking and they bark back. 0:24:04.545 --> 0:24:04.704 Right. 0:24:04.885 --> 0:24:05.526 It's the same way. 0:24:05.605 --> 0:24:07.406 And humans are humans are 0:24:07.426 --> 0:24:08.387 the same way we do this as 0:24:08.407 --> 0:24:09.409 parents to the big reaction 0:24:09.429 --> 0:24:10.328 reinforces the behavior. 0:24:11.230 --> 0:24:12.109 Just had Adam on the show. 0:24:12.570 --> 0:24:13.530 Adam was Adam had some 0:24:13.550 --> 0:24:14.311 really good insights, too, 0:24:14.332 --> 0:24:15.472 because he's like, I'm a big dude. 0:24:15.873 --> 0:24:16.732 So when I communicate to 0:24:16.752 --> 0:24:17.614 patients and I'm standing 0:24:17.634 --> 0:24:18.954 in the doorway looming, he's like, 0:24:18.974 --> 0:24:19.434 I don't do that. 0:24:19.674 --> 0:24:20.415 I sit down. 0:24:20.996 --> 0:24:23.577 yeah I do a lot of kneeling 0:24:24.117 --> 0:24:25.479 actually I do a lot of 0:24:25.519 --> 0:24:26.239 kneeling at the bedside 0:24:26.278 --> 0:24:27.779 which anybody who works in 0:24:27.799 --> 0:24:28.681 the emergency department is 0:24:28.701 --> 0:24:32.163 like gross but like it it 0:24:32.202 --> 0:24:34.084 does matter particularly 0:24:34.104 --> 0:24:34.804 when you're trying not to 0:24:34.844 --> 0:24:35.744 scare people you know who 0:24:35.785 --> 0:24:36.744 taught me that without 0:24:36.785 --> 0:24:38.125 teaching me that and my mom 0:24:38.226 --> 0:24:39.807 years ago was talking about 0:24:39.826 --> 0:24:40.807 my nursery school teacher 0:24:40.827 --> 0:24:41.528 and I'm like I don't really 0:24:41.567 --> 0:24:42.709 remember then she started 0:24:42.788 --> 0:24:43.548 saying stuff and I was like 0:24:43.608 --> 0:24:45.490 I do remember this lady and 0:24:45.550 --> 0:24:46.131 she's like what do you 0:24:46.151 --> 0:24:47.451 remember about her and I was like 0:24:48.544 --> 0:24:50.184 She was like all over the place. 0:24:50.545 --> 0:24:51.585 And she's like, I'm like, 0:24:51.605 --> 0:24:52.565 but I don't know what that means. 0:24:52.625 --> 0:24:53.105 And she goes, 0:24:53.605 --> 0:24:56.526 your nursery school teacher had CP. 0:24:56.766 --> 0:24:57.487 And I was like, what? 0:24:58.067 --> 0:24:59.926 She goes, she wore those crutches. 0:25:00.086 --> 0:25:01.748 She would use loft strain crutches. 0:25:02.307 --> 0:25:03.208 So this woman would come 0:25:03.228 --> 0:25:04.307 into her nursery school and 0:25:04.327 --> 0:25:05.048 it was always a big, 0:25:05.088 --> 0:25:06.148 this is back in the day, 0:25:06.588 --> 0:25:07.868 but it was before everybody did this. 0:25:07.950 --> 0:25:08.789 There was no shoes allowed 0:25:08.809 --> 0:25:09.509 in the nursery school. 0:25:10.342 --> 0:25:11.242 And it was because she 0:25:11.303 --> 0:25:12.262 crawled around the floor. 0:25:12.442 --> 0:25:14.384 She was on our level all day. 0:25:14.444 --> 0:25:16.586 And I remember she was like in your face, 0:25:16.665 --> 0:25:17.465 like in a good way. 0:25:17.946 --> 0:25:18.886 Instead of being this woman 0:25:18.906 --> 0:25:20.587 who was three times my size, 0:25:21.028 --> 0:25:22.369 she was like on her arm. 0:25:22.390 --> 0:25:24.131 She was on her elbows like doing this. 0:25:24.151 --> 0:25:27.432 I don't know who this is. 0:25:28.252 --> 0:25:28.973 Someone's watching and she 0:25:29.013 --> 0:25:29.953 says Facebook researchers 0:25:29.993 --> 0:25:30.795 are so excited to use the 0:25:30.815 --> 0:25:32.536 big fancy language that the 0:25:32.556 --> 0:25:33.355 message gets lost. 0:25:33.757 --> 0:25:33.936 Yes. 0:25:35.290 --> 0:25:37.434 I'm going to challenge it back. 0:25:37.775 --> 0:25:38.375 Fourth grade. 0:25:38.997 --> 0:25:39.458 Fourth grade? 0:25:39.498 --> 0:25:39.718 Yeah. 0:25:39.898 --> 0:25:40.480 Fourth grade. 0:25:40.700 --> 0:25:42.462 Because that is more 0:25:43.364 --> 0:25:44.526 matching of what like a 0:25:44.566 --> 0:25:46.189 typical reading level is of 0:25:46.308 --> 0:25:47.490 adults in the United States. 0:25:48.010 --> 0:25:48.311 Really? 0:25:48.711 --> 0:25:48.972 Yes. 0:25:51.934 --> 0:25:53.695 I think we have to consider 0:25:53.816 --> 0:25:55.817 it's not always an education thing. 0:25:55.836 --> 0:25:57.238 Sometimes it's a paying attention. 0:25:59.179 --> 0:26:00.058 Sometimes it's a paying 0:26:00.098 --> 0:26:01.480 attention and we need to 0:26:01.539 --> 0:26:03.520 realize we cannot 0:26:03.580 --> 0:26:06.042 communicate these science concepts 0:26:06.962 --> 0:26:08.144 at like what we think is an 0:26:08.183 --> 0:26:09.084 eighth grade level and 0:26:09.124 --> 0:26:12.625 expect it to be understood and received. 0:26:12.645 --> 0:26:13.625 We have so much context. 0:26:13.905 --> 0:26:16.086 We have so much context. 0:26:16.426 --> 0:26:17.347 And other people don't. 0:26:17.407 --> 0:26:18.647 And I think that was a huge 0:26:18.807 --> 0:26:21.469 issue during the height of the pandemic, 0:26:21.548 --> 0:26:21.749 right? 0:26:21.769 --> 0:26:22.210 Was like, 0:26:23.130 --> 0:26:24.151 do your own research. 0:26:24.550 --> 0:26:25.853 But like people really, they're not, 0:26:26.012 --> 0:26:27.253 they're not trained to do that. 0:26:27.294 --> 0:26:28.454 They're not prepared to do that. 0:26:28.494 --> 0:26:29.236 They're not prepared to 0:26:29.316 --> 0:26:30.436 understand research, 0:26:30.517 --> 0:26:31.597 let alone integrate it and 0:26:31.637 --> 0:26:33.538 apply it to their specific situation. 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:35.280 But also nobody wants to be 0:26:35.340 --> 0:26:36.061 told what to do. 0:26:36.122 --> 0:26:37.623 They do want to do their own research, 0:26:37.663 --> 0:26:38.523 but we need to make it 0:26:38.604 --> 0:26:39.585 accessible for people. 0:26:39.744 --> 0:26:40.786 Why do you think researchers 0:26:40.846 --> 0:26:41.846 are so excited to use big, 0:26:41.886 --> 0:26:42.547 fancy language? 0:26:42.788 --> 0:26:43.708 I'll put this out to you and 0:26:43.728 --> 0:26:44.689 the people watching Casey. 0:26:44.729 --> 0:26:45.490 Thank you for this comment. 0:26:46.170 --> 0:26:47.551 It's the same thing Adam just said. 0:26:48.685 --> 0:26:49.226 It's an emotion. 0:26:49.346 --> 0:26:50.526 I want people, I feel, 0:26:50.665 --> 0:26:51.926 I want to make sure I feel 0:26:51.946 --> 0:26:52.646 like I'm on the level. 0:26:52.727 --> 0:26:54.646 I want people to think this 0:26:54.686 --> 0:26:56.267 is an imposter syndrome or 0:26:56.307 --> 0:26:57.867 making sure people know that I'm smart. 0:26:58.548 --> 0:26:59.268 So I'm going to use the 0:26:59.307 --> 0:27:00.107 biggest words possible. 0:27:00.347 --> 0:27:01.587 This is how my podcast started. 0:27:01.988 --> 0:27:03.848 I saw someone on stage doing 0:27:03.868 --> 0:27:04.528 a thing and I'm like, 0:27:04.628 --> 0:27:05.449 I want to know that. 0:27:05.509 --> 0:27:06.288 But they were like all 0:27:06.348 --> 0:27:07.710 buttoned up and using big 0:27:07.970 --> 0:27:08.849 pontification words. 0:27:09.170 --> 0:27:09.930 And then I ran into him at a 0:27:09.970 --> 0:27:11.789 bar 20 minutes later and I 0:27:11.829 --> 0:27:12.890 understood their 90 minute 0:27:12.910 --> 0:27:14.570 presentation in 11 and a half minutes. 0:27:14.590 --> 0:27:15.471 And I was like, boom. 0:27:16.050 --> 0:27:17.191 where were you where was 0:27:17.211 --> 0:27:18.332 that dude and he was like 0:27:18.352 --> 0:27:19.551 well I'm presenting I was 0:27:19.571 --> 0:27:20.432 like they invited you to 0:27:20.471 --> 0:27:21.192 present because you're 0:27:21.271 --> 0:27:23.432 smart and you knew stuff 0:27:24.173 --> 0:27:26.232 but how you shared it was 0:27:26.272 --> 0:27:28.653 the failure but society 0:27:28.693 --> 0:27:29.554 tells us how to act like 0:27:29.594 --> 0:27:30.834 right now I'm wearing pants 0:27:30.854 --> 0:27:31.694 you can't see it but 0:27:31.795 --> 0:27:32.355 society says you're 0:27:32.375 --> 0:27:33.154 supposed to wear pants 0:27:33.194 --> 0:27:34.434 right so society tells us 0:27:34.454 --> 0:27:35.796 what's okay so we watch 0:27:35.836 --> 0:27:37.615 presenters present and then 0:27:37.635 --> 0:27:38.296 we're like well that's 0:27:38.635 --> 0:27:39.596 obviously how I'm supposed 0:27:39.615 --> 0:27:41.537 to do it so I'm gonna do it like that yes 0:27:42.281 --> 0:27:43.123 then I meet all these people 0:27:43.143 --> 0:27:44.044 behind the scenes at bars 0:27:44.104 --> 0:27:45.125 at csm and I'm like dude 0:27:45.144 --> 0:27:45.845 you'd be a great presenter 0:27:45.865 --> 0:27:46.766 and they're like yeah and 0:27:46.786 --> 0:27:47.386 they get up there and I'm 0:27:47.406 --> 0:27:48.267 like who the hell was that 0:27:49.868 --> 0:27:51.289 but I can't stop there I 0:27:51.329 --> 0:27:52.932 want to show people because 0:27:53.392 --> 0:27:54.192 and I said this earlier 0:27:54.232 --> 0:27:57.395 today healthcare I know you 0:27:57.476 --> 0:27:58.236 feel like you're intel 0:27:58.276 --> 0:27:59.597 business researchers are 0:27:59.617 --> 0:28:00.498 just so excited to use the 0:28:00.538 --> 0:28:01.799 big fancy language and 0:28:01.819 --> 0:28:03.240 message is lost I know you 0:28:03.260 --> 0:28:04.201 think you're intel business 0:28:05.333 --> 0:28:06.054 you're in show business. 0:28:06.173 --> 0:28:07.875 We just told three stories of failure, 0:28:08.335 --> 0:28:08.535 right? 0:28:08.575 --> 0:28:10.257 We told them, but with a story, 0:28:10.277 --> 0:28:12.137 you get to show them, you get to show it. 0:28:12.878 --> 0:28:14.700 And that's, I think a key message. 0:28:15.721 --> 0:28:15.881 Well, 0:28:15.921 --> 0:28:17.362 I'm going to bring this back to my next, 0:28:17.382 --> 0:28:18.823 I'm going to bring it back. 0:28:19.343 --> 0:28:21.164 This is kind of the thing. 0:28:21.204 --> 0:28:22.425 So in my first job, 0:28:23.746 --> 0:28:25.307 I wanted that job so badly 0:28:25.527 --> 0:28:27.268 and I wanted to be the best 0:28:27.428 --> 0:28:28.568 at it and I wanted to be 0:28:28.729 --> 0:28:30.069 indispensable and I wanted 0:28:30.190 --> 0:28:31.431 everybody to be shocked at 0:28:31.530 --> 0:28:32.872 how good I was at it. 0:28:33.612 --> 0:28:36.433 That I completely did things 0:28:36.493 --> 0:28:37.374 the way I thought I was 0:28:37.394 --> 0:28:39.035 supposed to without 0:28:39.075 --> 0:28:41.056 understanding why I was supposed to. 0:28:41.076 --> 0:28:41.156 Yeah. 0:28:42.156 --> 0:28:43.597 And got tunnel vision. 0:28:44.198 --> 0:28:45.699 Well, that's how the so-and-so does it. 0:28:45.719 --> 0:28:47.098 So I'm only going to do it that way. 0:28:47.239 --> 0:28:48.460 And so I was looking at how 0:28:48.500 --> 0:28:49.519 I was supposed to do things 0:28:49.579 --> 0:28:50.661 instead of at the patient 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:52.661 for how I needed to be doing things. 0:28:53.261 --> 0:28:54.241 And then if somebody tried 0:28:54.281 --> 0:28:57.403 to give me feedback, I was like, no, 0:28:57.702 --> 0:28:58.403 I've got this. 0:28:59.064 --> 0:29:00.284 I think I know what I'm doing. 0:29:00.625 --> 0:29:01.825 And so I totally closed 0:29:01.884 --> 0:29:03.405 myself off to feedback. 0:29:04.346 --> 0:29:06.586 And what that ended up in 0:29:06.967 --> 0:29:08.208 was one of the worst experiences. 0:29:09.048 --> 0:29:10.528 things anybody has ever said 0:29:10.567 --> 0:29:11.288 to me since I've been a 0:29:11.327 --> 0:29:12.068 physical therapist. 0:29:12.548 --> 0:29:14.669 And I'm glad that I still 0:29:14.709 --> 0:29:15.648 can look back on it and I 0:29:15.689 --> 0:29:16.849 can see what I own in that 0:29:16.869 --> 0:29:18.029 and I can see what they own in that. 0:29:18.490 --> 0:29:19.470 But the comment that I got 0:29:19.509 --> 0:29:23.030 in my first job was, maybe somewhere, 0:29:23.250 --> 0:29:23.871 someday, 0:29:24.191 --> 0:29:26.010 you'll be a good physical therapist. 0:29:27.731 --> 0:29:29.592 And I still have imposter 0:29:29.612 --> 0:29:30.412 syndrome from that. 0:29:30.511 --> 0:29:31.872 I still carry that with me. 0:29:32.073 --> 0:29:34.133 But I can see from the way I was 0:29:35.390 --> 0:29:37.330 behaving that I had failed. 0:29:37.371 --> 0:29:38.692 I was failing my patients. 0:29:38.932 --> 0:29:40.432 I was failing myself. 0:29:40.952 --> 0:29:42.273 And I had such a fixed 0:29:42.354 --> 0:29:43.855 mindset that I couldn't let 0:29:43.974 --> 0:29:45.115 in any of that feedback. 0:29:45.576 --> 0:29:47.376 I couldn't, I couldn't learn. 0:29:47.396 --> 0:29:48.917 I like literally could not 0:29:48.978 --> 0:29:51.519 learn because when you're trying to copy, 0:29:51.559 --> 0:29:52.400 you can't fail. 0:29:52.980 --> 0:29:53.201 Right. 0:29:53.500 --> 0:29:54.161 And I was like, 0:29:54.401 --> 0:29:56.082 so afraid of being found 0:29:56.221 --> 0:29:57.923 out for being a fraud when 0:29:57.982 --> 0:29:59.683 in fact I was because I was 0:29:59.784 --> 0:30:02.006 like not serving my 0:30:02.046 --> 0:30:02.965 patients in the way they 0:30:03.006 --> 0:30:03.926 needed to be served. 0:30:04.431 --> 0:30:05.614 This is the Easter ham story. 0:30:05.634 --> 0:30:06.797 You guys know the Easter ham story? 0:30:06.817 --> 0:30:07.878 Well, no, but I cannot wait. 0:30:08.461 --> 0:30:10.221 All right, so a mother and daughter, 0:30:10.481 --> 0:30:10.722 right? 0:30:10.762 --> 0:30:12.702 Mother and 10-year-old daughter. 0:30:12.823 --> 0:30:14.282 Every year, the mother has Easter. 0:30:15.163 --> 0:30:16.443 And the daughter sits there 0:30:16.463 --> 0:30:17.584 at the kitchen island and 0:30:17.624 --> 0:30:19.384 watches mom prepare the ham. 0:30:19.423 --> 0:30:21.025 And she does the basting and 0:30:21.105 --> 0:30:22.724 she puts pineapple things. 0:30:22.785 --> 0:30:23.565 I don't know, all the things. 0:30:23.585 --> 0:30:24.806 She cuts the ham in half and 0:30:24.846 --> 0:30:25.705 does the basting and 0:30:25.826 --> 0:30:27.405 prepares it and does all the thing, 0:30:27.486 --> 0:30:28.246 puts it in the oven, 0:30:28.286 --> 0:30:29.426 does it the same way every 0:30:29.467 --> 0:30:31.247 single year until the girl 0:30:31.267 --> 0:30:32.346 eventually becomes a woman 0:30:32.666 --> 0:30:33.548 and she gets married and 0:30:33.567 --> 0:30:34.788 she has a house and now she 0:30:34.847 --> 0:30:35.327 is going to host 0:30:35.907 --> 0:30:36.907 Easter dinner and she can't 0:30:36.948 --> 0:30:37.867 wait to show mom. 0:30:38.407 --> 0:30:38.868 I did this. 0:30:39.048 --> 0:30:39.509 I'm, you know, 0:30:39.648 --> 0:30:40.469 I'm going to do it like you. 0:30:41.009 --> 0:30:41.588 Mom comes. 0:30:41.648 --> 0:30:42.548 Now it's the reversal. 0:30:42.709 --> 0:30:43.729 Mom is sitting at the island 0:30:43.769 --> 0:30:45.230 watching the daughter prepare everything. 0:30:45.250 --> 0:30:46.029 And she does this and this 0:30:46.089 --> 0:30:46.809 and this and this and this. 0:30:47.690 --> 0:30:48.509 And she does it. 0:30:49.029 --> 0:30:50.830 She puts the pineapples and 0:30:50.851 --> 0:30:51.971 she cuts the ham and she base it, 0:30:52.050 --> 0:30:53.351 puts it in, takes it out. 0:30:54.131 --> 0:30:54.730 Now's the moment. 0:30:55.010 --> 0:30:56.050 Mom's going to it's going to 0:30:56.070 --> 0:30:57.672 sample the ham and she 0:30:57.711 --> 0:30:58.571 takes a bite and she goes, 0:30:58.592 --> 0:30:59.751 it's fantastic. 0:30:59.832 --> 0:31:00.352 It's amazing. 0:31:00.971 --> 0:31:01.531 You know, she's like, 0:31:01.571 --> 0:31:02.932 I paid attention to you all those years. 0:31:02.992 --> 0:31:05.012 She goes, Mom goes, but I have a question. 0:31:06.060 --> 0:31:06.320 Okay. 0:31:07.621 --> 0:31:09.122 You took the pineapples on there. 0:31:09.142 --> 0:31:09.741 You put them in there. 0:31:09.781 --> 0:31:10.021 Yep. 0:31:10.221 --> 0:31:10.902 Then you basted it. 0:31:11.041 --> 0:31:12.702 You cut the ham in half. 0:31:13.663 --> 0:31:14.663 Why do you cut the ham in half? 0:31:15.824 --> 0:31:17.483 You did that every year. 0:31:18.144 --> 0:31:18.304 Yeah, 0:31:18.344 --> 0:31:19.664 we lived in an apartment in Brooklyn. 0:31:19.805 --> 0:31:20.944 Our oven was this big. 0:31:21.065 --> 0:31:22.806 I could not put the ham in 0:31:22.826 --> 0:31:23.965 the oven if it was whole. 0:31:24.346 --> 0:31:26.646 I cut it in half because it did not fit. 0:31:27.086 --> 0:31:27.886 You live in the Burbs. 0:31:27.906 --> 0:31:28.826 You got a huge oven. 0:31:28.926 --> 0:31:29.827 Why do you cut the ham in half? 0:31:30.307 --> 0:31:31.048 She cut it in half because 0:31:31.887 --> 0:31:32.867 she never questioned why 0:31:32.887 --> 0:31:33.648 she cut the ham in half. 0:31:33.669 --> 0:31:34.769 She tried to cut it in half. 0:31:35.898 --> 0:31:36.038 Well, 0:31:36.058 --> 0:31:39.384 it's just a story of like healthy 0:31:39.423 --> 0:31:39.864 questioning. 0:31:39.903 --> 0:31:40.805 I think questioning 0:31:40.845 --> 0:31:42.508 sometimes is seen as a bad thing. 0:31:43.749 --> 0:31:44.390 People look at me. 0:31:44.410 --> 0:31:45.431 I go into, you know, 0:31:45.551 --> 0:31:46.712 communication evaluation 0:31:46.732 --> 0:31:47.653 meetings or branding 0:31:47.673 --> 0:31:48.434 meetings and people like 0:31:48.695 --> 0:31:49.477 they think they're just 0:31:49.497 --> 0:31:49.997 going to tell me what 0:31:50.017 --> 0:31:50.657 happens and come out. 0:31:50.698 --> 0:31:52.480 I go, I'm here to ask a ton of questions. 0:31:53.365 --> 0:31:54.226 they are not threatening. 0:31:54.506 --> 0:31:55.948 I need, help me understand. 0:31:56.008 --> 0:31:56.608 It's a great pre, 0:31:56.709 --> 0:31:58.289 I think I talked about that with Adam. 0:31:58.851 --> 0:31:59.672 Help me understand is a 0:31:59.751 --> 0:32:01.114 great prefix to anything. 0:32:01.473 --> 0:32:02.414 But I think we don't do 0:32:02.454 --> 0:32:03.957 enough healthy questioning. 0:32:04.017 --> 0:32:05.057 I also think it's because we 0:32:05.097 --> 0:32:07.319 do it on social platforms 0:32:07.780 --> 0:32:09.182 and there's no depth there 0:32:09.663 --> 0:32:11.265 and it can come across a certain way. 0:32:11.904 --> 0:32:13.006 And that's where I think that book 0:32:13.991 --> 0:32:14.751 never split the difference 0:32:14.833 --> 0:32:16.153 helps because all that guy 0:32:16.173 --> 0:32:17.233 was a hostage negotiator. 0:32:17.294 --> 0:32:18.513 All he had was questions on 0:32:18.534 --> 0:32:19.634 a phone with someone who 0:32:19.654 --> 0:32:20.234 was in a high stakes 0:32:20.255 --> 0:32:21.435 situation who probably did more. 0:32:22.256 --> 0:32:24.196 But the ham story is an example of that. 0:32:24.517 --> 0:32:25.176 I did the same thing. 0:32:25.217 --> 0:32:27.577 So my second failure comes from radio. 0:32:28.239 --> 0:32:29.598 It was the same as the ham story. 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:31.720 I came to a radio station as 0:32:31.759 --> 0:32:32.681 like the number two guy 0:32:32.740 --> 0:32:33.580 came to a new state. 0:32:33.961 --> 0:32:35.382 And I worked under this guy, Chris Lloyd, 0:32:35.582 --> 0:32:37.002 great boss, great boss. 0:32:37.883 --> 0:32:38.584 And I learned from him. 0:32:38.743 --> 0:32:40.364 And I did exactly what he was doing. 0:32:40.403 --> 0:32:41.545 And he was a couple years older than me. 0:32:41.565 --> 0:32:42.826 And he'd been at that station for a while. 0:32:42.885 --> 0:32:43.326 And I was like, 0:32:44.221 --> 0:32:46.490 training to do his job, 0:32:46.732 --> 0:32:47.435 either at another radio 0:32:47.455 --> 0:32:48.661 station or when he moved on. 0:32:49.275 --> 0:32:50.615 Two years in, he goes and moves on. 0:32:50.955 --> 0:32:51.955 And now I have a two-month 0:32:52.017 --> 0:32:52.797 job opportunity. 0:32:53.176 --> 0:32:54.057 While the radio station 0:32:54.097 --> 0:32:55.999 company is looking for a replacement, 0:32:56.459 --> 0:32:57.259 they should not have hired 0:32:57.278 --> 0:32:58.980 a 24-year-old me to do this. 0:32:59.279 --> 0:33:00.401 And I had two months to run 0:33:00.421 --> 0:33:01.442 the station in the interim. 0:33:02.041 --> 0:33:03.903 So I went and just did 0:33:04.123 --> 0:33:05.243 everything Chris did for 0:33:05.263 --> 0:33:06.104 those two months or the 0:33:06.403 --> 0:33:07.164 first couple weeks. 0:33:07.744 --> 0:33:08.644 I slept on my couch. 0:33:09.026 --> 0:33:09.726 I never slept. 0:33:09.746 --> 0:33:11.366 I had GI issues because I 0:33:11.406 --> 0:33:14.167 was so focused on... Every 0:33:14.228 --> 0:33:14.769 question was... 0:33:15.608 --> 0:33:16.409 how did Chris do this? 0:33:16.429 --> 0:33:17.130 What would Chris do? 0:33:17.250 --> 0:33:18.651 How would Chris, this is a new situation. 0:33:18.691 --> 0:33:19.451 How would Chris answer? 0:33:19.951 --> 0:33:20.632 I would call him. 0:33:20.751 --> 0:33:21.271 You imagine this. 0:33:21.291 --> 0:33:22.352 I'm like a 24 year old kid 0:33:22.393 --> 0:33:23.313 calling a 30 year old man 0:33:23.353 --> 0:33:24.493 who does not work for your 0:33:24.534 --> 0:33:25.094 company anymore. 0:33:25.433 --> 0:33:25.814 And he took it. 0:33:26.094 --> 0:33:27.255 And I'm like, Chris, what do you, 0:33:27.275 --> 0:33:28.496 what do you, what do you, 0:33:28.516 --> 0:33:29.256 what should I do here? 0:33:29.276 --> 0:33:29.915 Here's the situation. 0:33:29.935 --> 0:33:30.277 What do I do? 0:33:30.297 --> 0:33:30.616 What do I do? 0:33:30.656 --> 0:33:33.097 And he's like, he finally was like, dude, 0:33:33.557 --> 0:33:34.538 they put you in charge of a 0:33:34.638 --> 0:33:35.739 five plus million dollar 0:33:35.759 --> 0:33:36.779 radio station while I'm gone. 0:33:36.819 --> 0:33:37.680 It's not by accident. 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:38.701 Imposter syndrome. 0:33:39.304 --> 0:33:39.683 And he's like, 0:33:39.983 --> 0:33:42.006 you can't for some stuff for a while. 0:33:42.026 --> 0:33:42.645 You're going to be able to 0:33:42.665 --> 0:33:43.705 photocopy what I did. 0:33:44.267 --> 0:33:45.346 But life, everything moves. 0:33:46.048 --> 0:33:48.568 So if you were my number two, 0:33:48.749 --> 0:33:49.809 if you were my music 0:33:49.829 --> 0:33:51.830 director there and I was still there, 0:33:52.171 --> 0:33:53.872 what would you tell me to think about? 0:33:53.991 --> 0:33:54.771 What would you tell me to do? 0:33:54.893 --> 0:33:55.232 I was like, 0:33:55.252 --> 0:33:55.952 I tell you to do this and this. 0:33:56.993 --> 0:33:57.173 Great. 0:33:57.213 --> 0:33:57.433 Do that. 0:33:58.856 --> 0:33:59.438 And I was like, great. 0:33:59.498 --> 0:34:00.397 So don't keep the ham in 0:34:00.438 --> 0:34:01.138 half just because Chris 0:34:01.199 --> 0:34:02.099 used to cut the ham in half. 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:04.842 Ask, what are we facing here? 0:34:05.403 --> 0:34:06.423 And I think that's how you lead. 0:34:07.243 --> 0:34:08.364 That was the biggest lesson. 0:34:08.445 --> 0:34:09.505 And I started sleeping again. 0:34:09.525 --> 0:34:10.567 My GI issues went away. 0:34:10.626 --> 0:34:11.367 My stress level went down. 0:34:11.387 --> 0:34:12.748 I started liking what I was doing. 0:34:13.630 --> 0:34:14.309 And that's important. 0:34:14.409 --> 0:34:15.811 That was sort of a parallel 0:34:15.831 --> 0:34:16.771 to what you were talking about, 0:34:16.811 --> 0:34:18.414 where you were trying to be everything. 0:34:18.454 --> 0:34:18.954 You can't. 0:34:19.134 --> 0:34:19.614 Newsflash. 0:34:19.655 --> 0:34:20.155 You can't. 0:34:20.235 --> 0:34:20.755 Don't try. 0:34:20.856 --> 0:34:21.436 But you will. 0:34:21.755 --> 0:34:22.297 Then you'll fail. 0:34:22.317 --> 0:34:22.516 And 0:34:22.657 --> 0:34:23.277 I was trying to cook 0:34:23.356 --> 0:34:24.677 everything like the ham too. 0:34:24.717 --> 0:34:26.438 It didn't matter if it was pasta or not. 0:34:26.458 --> 0:34:27.858 I was putting the pineapples on it. 0:34:28.018 --> 0:34:29.599 I was putting it in the oven. 0:34:30.039 --> 0:34:33.000 Like it, like it just didn't work. 0:34:33.139 --> 0:34:34.621 And so if you're a student 0:34:34.661 --> 0:34:35.860 PT and you're hearing this, 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.461 like you've got to find your own way. 0:34:38.541 --> 0:34:39.541 You have the tools, 0:34:39.561 --> 0:34:40.983 but you need to be the one 0:34:41.003 --> 0:34:41.782 that uses them. 0:34:42.523 --> 0:34:43.423 And it's more about the 0:34:43.443 --> 0:34:44.643 patient than how other 0:34:44.664 --> 0:34:46.043 people are practicing. 0:34:46.063 --> 0:34:48.724 So that was my. 0:34:49.164 --> 0:34:50.565 Elise, what's your second failure? 0:34:50.585 --> 0:34:51.025 Do you have one? 0:34:51.590 --> 0:34:51.909 Man, 0:34:52.030 --> 0:34:53.072 so we're going to bring it back 0:34:53.172 --> 0:34:54.092 actually to the ethics 0:34:54.132 --> 0:34:55.373 question that we were like, 0:34:55.653 --> 0:34:57.635 let's get her on the podcast because yes. 0:34:59.077 --> 0:35:01.519 So mine kind of goes along 0:35:01.559 --> 0:35:02.902 with the theme of healthy questioning. 0:35:03.061 --> 0:35:04.202 I really should have done 0:35:04.322 --> 0:35:06.344 more of this and kind of 0:35:06.405 --> 0:35:08.306 that pause to stop and just 0:35:09.784 --> 0:35:10.864 look at what's happening 0:35:10.905 --> 0:35:12.867 around me so I took my 0:35:12.947 --> 0:35:14.909 dream job as my first job 0:35:14.949 --> 0:35:15.909 out of physical therapy 0:35:15.929 --> 0:35:18.311 school it was exactly what 0:35:18.351 --> 0:35:20.753 I wanted it to be until it 0:35:20.835 --> 0:35:22.516 wasn't and I really can't 0:35:22.556 --> 0:35:23.737 say like I woke up one day 0:35:23.777 --> 0:35:24.838 it was a nightmare because 0:35:24.918 --> 0:35:26.599 it really was a gradual 0:35:26.659 --> 0:35:28.641 wearing down over time and 0:35:28.681 --> 0:35:29.742 my first indication was 0:35:29.802 --> 0:35:30.804 actually the first day of 0:35:30.864 --> 0:35:32.626 work I was being oriented to the space 0:35:33.246 --> 0:35:34.027 Long story short, 0:35:34.067 --> 0:35:37.230 we were inside of an office 0:35:37.309 --> 0:35:39.632 building where we were leasing the space. 0:35:40.132 --> 0:35:41.054 And so we didn't have a lot 0:35:41.094 --> 0:35:42.655 of ability to change things. 0:35:42.695 --> 0:35:43.777 We were borrowing space. 0:35:44.818 --> 0:35:45.518 And because of that, 0:35:45.559 --> 0:35:45.978 because of the 0:35:46.059 --> 0:35:50.282 organizational structure and the bodies, 0:35:50.362 --> 0:35:51.804 the powers that be that do the... 0:35:54.195 --> 0:35:54.896 Oh, what's the word? 0:35:55.036 --> 0:35:56.056 Like quality checks, 0:35:56.117 --> 0:35:56.916 making sure you're doing 0:35:56.936 --> 0:35:58.759 what you're doing or doing 0:35:59.018 --> 0:36:00.599 you're supposed to be doing. 0:36:01.940 --> 0:36:03.041 Instead of having a private 0:36:03.061 --> 0:36:03.722 room where I could treat 0:36:03.742 --> 0:36:04.643 patients all by myself, 0:36:04.684 --> 0:36:05.623 we were sharing that space 0:36:05.724 --> 0:36:07.726 and that goes against regulations. 0:36:07.985 --> 0:36:10.148 And my boss at the time said, 0:36:10.869 --> 0:36:12.369 when this body comes and 0:36:12.409 --> 0:36:13.351 does their inspection, 0:36:13.391 --> 0:36:14.451 that's the word I'm looking for. 0:36:15.032 --> 0:36:17.514 Just tell them we don't have a space. 0:36:17.713 --> 0:36:18.534 We use this. 0:36:19.235 --> 0:36:20.556 And so that asking is, 0:36:21.577 --> 0:36:23.018 of me to lie on the very 0:36:23.097 --> 0:36:24.378 first day should have been 0:36:24.438 --> 0:36:28.541 the leave the red flags 0:36:29.061 --> 0:36:30.143 right like it was the 0:36:30.222 --> 0:36:31.704 reddest of red flags and I 0:36:31.764 --> 0:36:34.907 was so desperate like hey I 0:36:34.967 --> 0:36:36.126 thought this was my dream 0:36:36.166 --> 0:36:38.369 job and it was until it 0:36:38.409 --> 0:36:41.710 wasn't but also this was 0:36:41.811 --> 0:36:43.373 such a powerful lesson for 0:36:43.432 --> 0:36:45.534 me in boundaries and 0:36:45.733 --> 0:36:48.295 setting boundaries and I 0:36:48.356 --> 0:36:50.538 remember even my ci told me this 0:36:51.237 --> 0:36:52.739 like as if she I think she 0:36:52.838 --> 0:36:53.818 knew me because she knew 0:36:53.858 --> 0:36:54.440 that I was going to 0:36:54.500 --> 0:36:55.360 experience this at some 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:56.981 point she was like if you 0:36:57.041 --> 0:36:59.001 give them a step they will 0:36:59.041 --> 0:37:01.702 take three and she was so 0:37:02.083 --> 0:37:03.443 so right and the rest of 0:37:03.483 --> 0:37:04.425 the time that I was there 0:37:04.525 --> 0:37:07.186 two years every week was a 0:37:07.346 --> 0:37:09.226 step in pushing what I was 0:37:09.327 --> 0:37:10.307 comfortable with and what I 0:37:10.347 --> 0:37:11.527 was willing to put up with 0:37:12.108 --> 0:37:12.889 because they knew 0:37:13.009 --> 0:37:14.809 ultimately like I was there 0:37:14.849 --> 0:37:15.710 to help patients 0:37:16.530 --> 0:37:18.612 And like that is absolutely 0:37:18.632 --> 0:37:19.992 what I was put on this earth to do. 0:37:20.052 --> 0:37:21.172 And I have such like I wear 0:37:21.233 --> 0:37:22.793 my heart on my sleeve in that capacity. 0:37:23.532 --> 0:37:25.253 And some people know that 0:37:25.373 --> 0:37:26.373 and they will try to take 0:37:26.414 --> 0:37:27.275 advantage of that. 0:37:27.414 --> 0:37:29.315 And so it sucked. 0:37:29.454 --> 0:37:30.476 It was two years of hell. 0:37:30.596 --> 0:37:31.635 It was another year of hell 0:37:31.775 --> 0:37:33.597 after I left because I was 0:37:34.257 --> 0:37:35.898 like I was coping and 0:37:35.958 --> 0:37:37.717 trying to bounce back from that. 0:37:38.338 --> 0:37:39.759 But now it's an opportunity 0:37:39.818 --> 0:37:41.940 that I literally have had 0:37:42.420 --> 0:37:43.840 three different therapists 0:37:43.900 --> 0:37:45.280 who took the job after me. 0:37:46.240 --> 0:37:47.402 After they took the job, 0:37:47.481 --> 0:37:50.143 they found me and asked me about things. 0:37:50.242 --> 0:37:51.903 And I can share that experience with them. 0:37:52.023 --> 0:37:53.324 And I can share now all 0:37:53.344 --> 0:37:54.304 three of them have left. 0:37:55.226 --> 0:37:56.806 Nope, not an accident. 0:37:56.826 --> 0:37:58.387 And I think that's part of 0:37:58.467 --> 0:37:59.907 my journey is I can now 0:38:00.068 --> 0:38:01.668 share that experience with 0:38:01.768 --> 0:38:02.708 other therapists. 0:38:03.389 --> 0:38:04.190 And ideally, like, 0:38:04.789 --> 0:38:05.811 this is what I've learned 0:38:05.851 --> 0:38:08.152 how not to do and how not to practice. 0:38:08.431 --> 0:38:09.592 I hope you will take that 0:38:09.693 --> 0:38:11.474 and have a better launching 0:38:11.514 --> 0:38:12.673 pad in your own career by 0:38:12.733 --> 0:38:14.135 not making those same mistakes I did. 0:38:14.461 --> 0:38:15.181 That's why when Rebecca 0:38:15.202 --> 0:38:16.563 brought this topic up today, I was like, 0:38:16.623 --> 0:38:16.902 yeah, 0:38:17.344 --> 0:38:19.485 because failure teaches us more than 0:38:19.505 --> 0:38:20.085 success does. 0:38:20.105 --> 0:38:20.985 What are we going to say, Rebecca? 0:38:21.385 --> 0:38:22.786 Well, Jimmy, you asked a question, I think, 0:38:22.847 --> 0:38:24.307 on Facebook maybe last week, 0:38:24.347 --> 0:38:24.807 and it was like, 0:38:24.847 --> 0:38:26.588 what advice would you give a new grad? 0:38:26.608 --> 0:38:29.170 And my comment that I think 0:38:29.190 --> 0:38:30.610 applies to both of us, at least, 0:38:30.751 --> 0:38:32.813 is the first job may not be the job. 0:38:32.833 --> 0:38:35.313 And it probably isn't. 0:38:35.434 --> 0:38:36.974 And even if it's the dream job, 0:38:37.014 --> 0:38:38.715 it still might not be the job. 0:38:38.795 --> 0:38:40.336 And it's OK for that because 0:38:40.356 --> 0:38:42.077 I thought I had my dream job. 0:38:42.637 --> 0:38:44.280 You thought you had your dream job. 0:38:44.679 --> 0:38:45.501 Both of us learned in 0:38:45.541 --> 0:38:46.402 different ways that that 0:38:46.442 --> 0:38:47.302 was not the case. 0:38:47.481 --> 0:38:48.623 And then I went on to be 0:38:49.123 --> 0:38:50.065 hopefully a good physical 0:38:50.105 --> 0:38:51.085 therapist somewhere else 0:38:51.346 --> 0:38:52.126 after that comment. 0:38:52.166 --> 0:38:54.327 But I think that's a mistake 0:38:54.407 --> 0:38:56.050 that we get into, too, 0:38:56.190 --> 0:38:57.130 is we've convinced 0:38:57.190 --> 0:38:58.351 ourselves that something is 0:38:58.431 --> 0:39:00.092 perfect and we can we can 0:39:00.152 --> 0:39:02.034 turn a blind eye to so much. 0:39:02.574 --> 0:39:03.056 Right. 0:39:03.576 --> 0:39:05.137 To prove to ourselves we 0:39:05.157 --> 0:39:07.016 made the right choice until 0:39:07.036 --> 0:39:08.038 we can't anymore. 0:39:08.237 --> 0:39:09.538 And then what? 0:39:09.657 --> 0:39:11.679 This happens in abusive relationships, 0:39:11.998 --> 0:39:12.119 right? 0:39:12.358 --> 0:39:13.880 Call it enabling, right? 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:14.800 You become enabling. 0:39:14.820 --> 0:39:15.380 You're like, well, 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:17.460 this is the lobster in a pot, right? 0:39:18.001 --> 0:39:20.402 Two ways you boil a lobster is, number one, 0:39:20.442 --> 0:39:21.342 you get a big old pot, 0:39:21.442 --> 0:39:22.382 you start boiling the water, 0:39:22.402 --> 0:39:23.443 and you throw the lobster in. 0:39:23.503 --> 0:39:24.342 Trust me, the lobster knows. 0:39:25.043 --> 0:39:26.043 I've talked to lobsters. 0:39:26.264 --> 0:39:26.523 They know. 0:39:27.914 --> 0:39:28.835 The other way is you put a 0:39:28.876 --> 0:39:30.438 lobster in a pot, lukewarm water. 0:39:30.858 --> 0:39:31.760 Lobsters are like, that's cool. 0:39:31.780 --> 0:39:32.181 I like water. 0:39:32.340 --> 0:39:33.382 And then you slowly and you 0:39:33.402 --> 0:39:34.083 start heating it up. 0:39:34.103 --> 0:39:34.664 It doesn't notice. 0:39:35.324 --> 0:39:36.286 That's what people who are 0:39:36.346 --> 0:39:37.547 asking you to break the rules do. 0:39:38.248 --> 0:39:40.170 They wouldn't come and be like, Elise, 0:39:40.231 --> 0:39:41.914 today we're going to commit murder. 0:39:41.994 --> 0:39:43.155 You'd be like, no, too much. 0:39:45.494 --> 0:39:46.474 What they did was they were like, 0:39:46.494 --> 0:39:47.496 we're just going to do this 0:39:48.076 --> 0:39:48.596 and that's it. 0:39:48.836 --> 0:39:49.336 And you're like that. 0:39:49.456 --> 0:39:51.197 All right. 0:39:51.418 --> 0:39:52.199 Well, I mean, 0:39:52.278 --> 0:39:53.739 I guess you think I really 0:39:53.780 --> 0:39:55.101 like the frog example. 0:39:55.161 --> 0:39:56.541 So it's similar to the lobster. 0:39:56.621 --> 0:39:57.641 So if you put a frog, 0:39:57.782 --> 0:39:58.802 if you take a frog and drop 0:39:58.822 --> 0:39:59.623 them in boiling water, 0:39:59.643 --> 0:40:00.643 they will jump out. 0:40:01.085 --> 0:40:01.264 Right. 0:40:02.025 --> 0:40:03.826 But the frog will not jump 0:40:03.985 --> 0:40:05.067 out if you slowly 0:40:05.186 --> 0:40:06.568 incrementally turn up that 0:40:06.608 --> 0:40:08.170 water until it's boiling. 0:40:08.309 --> 0:40:09.650 And I do think that as 0:40:09.851 --> 0:40:11.132 especially as a new grad 0:40:11.572 --> 0:40:12.233 and now that I've been 0:40:12.273 --> 0:40:13.353 practicing for five years, 0:40:13.393 --> 0:40:14.514 I have a lot of lessons 0:40:14.574 --> 0:40:16.335 learned and a lot more to learn still. 0:40:16.876 --> 0:40:18.958 But I do think that is that. 0:40:20.432 --> 0:40:23.034 imagery for me I was the 0:40:23.114 --> 0:40:24.835 frog in the slowly 0:40:24.956 --> 0:40:26.918 increasing temperature and 0:40:26.998 --> 0:40:29.719 it was not until I was at 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:31.721 boiling that I finally saw 0:40:32.021 --> 0:40:33.342 oh I need to jump out 0:40:33.362 --> 0:40:34.782 that's okay yeah I sat in 0:40:34.822 --> 0:40:36.023 it for years that's okay 0:40:36.043 --> 0:40:37.045 for them the people asking 0:40:37.065 --> 0:40:37.565 you to do that because 0:40:37.585 --> 0:40:38.146 they'll just find another 0:40:38.166 --> 0:40:40.206 frog exactly and they did 0:40:40.266 --> 0:40:41.268 they found three more frogs 0:40:41.507 --> 0:40:42.248 I think frogs better 0:40:42.268 --> 0:40:43.590 because lobsters don't jump 0:40:43.610 --> 0:40:44.530 very well so I think from 0:40:44.610 --> 0:40:45.210 now on I'm going to tell 0:40:45.251 --> 0:40:46.170 that story because like 0:40:46.271 --> 0:40:47.311 lobsters are just like what 0:40:47.331 --> 0:40:48.233 do I do I don't know what to do 0:40:48.655 --> 0:40:49.916 What I got to know though, really, 0:40:49.956 --> 0:40:50.596 is are there going to be 0:40:50.615 --> 0:40:51.777 like recipes in the show notes? 0:40:51.817 --> 0:40:52.717 Cause now you've told us, 0:40:52.757 --> 0:40:53.978 taught us how to cook a ham 0:40:54.018 --> 0:40:55.858 and how to cook a lobster. 0:40:55.878 --> 0:40:56.880 I think we need to have like 0:40:57.139 --> 0:40:58.780 Pinterest links to the recipes for this. 0:40:59.001 --> 0:41:00.201 Weirdest food you've ever eaten. 0:41:01.661 --> 0:41:03.202 Oh, an alligator. 0:41:03.222 --> 0:41:04.143 I've had ostrich. 0:41:05.831 --> 0:41:07.152 These were never, I never ordered them. 0:41:07.172 --> 0:41:07.873 It was always someone 0:41:07.972 --> 0:41:08.793 ordered it and they were like, 0:41:08.813 --> 0:41:09.474 do you want to try this? 0:41:09.494 --> 0:41:10.094 I'm like, I guess. 0:41:10.114 --> 0:41:10.996 That's just Cajun food. 0:41:11.797 --> 0:41:14.159 I had a cheese fried worm at 0:41:14.259 --> 0:41:15.539 science camp one summer. 0:41:15.559 --> 0:41:18.342 Nope. 0:41:18.382 --> 0:41:18.583 Nope. 0:41:19.824 --> 0:41:20.605 This is kind of boring, 0:41:20.664 --> 0:41:22.485 but every time I say this to somebody, 0:41:22.545 --> 0:41:23.706 they are like super grossed out. 0:41:23.726 --> 0:41:24.367 So when I was a kid, 0:41:24.387 --> 0:41:25.588 I was really allergic to milk. 0:41:25.648 --> 0:41:26.670 And so I used to eat orange 0:41:26.690 --> 0:41:27.590 juice on my cereal. 0:41:28.192 --> 0:41:30.072 So I need you to imagine like. 0:41:30.594 --> 0:41:30.693 No. 0:41:32.034 --> 0:41:33.833 it yeah and then like do you 0:41:33.873 --> 0:41:34.914 brush your teeth before do 0:41:34.974 --> 0:41:35.875 you brush your teeth after 0:41:35.934 --> 0:41:37.735 it's like so it's gross 0:41:37.775 --> 0:41:40.076 either way um yeah orange 0:41:40.115 --> 0:41:41.135 juice and cereal but I have 0:41:41.155 --> 0:41:42.056 to tell you every once in a 0:41:42.076 --> 0:41:43.036 while like as a comfort 0:41:43.056 --> 0:41:44.617 thing I still I still do it 0:41:47.677 --> 0:41:48.757 and that makes me happy 0:41:48.777 --> 0:41:49.777 that's the weirdest thing 0:41:50.077 --> 0:41:51.538 I've heard in a long time 0:41:51.597 --> 0:41:53.059 okay it's not a cheese 0:41:53.079 --> 0:41:54.838 fried worm I can't keep up with that 0:41:55.373 --> 0:41:56.693 Both cheese and worms are 0:41:56.713 --> 0:41:57.934 food and orange juice 0:41:58.474 --> 0:42:00.715 soaking in corn flakes or lucky charms. 0:42:01.394 --> 0:42:02.594 That's a lot of ass. 0:42:02.614 --> 0:42:03.094 Grape nuts. 0:42:04.235 --> 0:42:04.476 What? 0:42:04.516 --> 0:42:06.597 Grape nuts. 0:42:07.056 --> 0:42:07.456 So you were like, 0:42:07.476 --> 0:42:08.277 let me pour some orange 0:42:08.317 --> 0:42:09.398 juice on some gravel. 0:42:09.557 --> 0:42:10.418 That's what grape nuts are. 0:42:11.177 --> 0:42:13.378 And then chew for 35 minutes. 0:42:13.739 --> 0:42:13.958 Yeah. 0:42:14.259 --> 0:42:14.498 Great. 0:42:14.539 --> 0:42:15.760 When you get these masseter muscles. 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:16.039 All right. 0:42:16.599 --> 0:42:16.679 Uh, 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:17.679 let's wrap this thing up with the 0:42:17.699 --> 0:42:18.219 parting shot. 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:18.519 What would you, 0:42:18.639 --> 0:42:19.840 how would you sum up any 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.141 part of this with the audience? 0:42:21.161 --> 0:42:22.101 At least what would your 0:42:22.342 --> 0:42:23.202 parting shot be for today? 0:42:24.588 --> 0:42:25.248 Well, first of all, 0:42:25.268 --> 0:42:26.148 I think you need to read 0:42:26.188 --> 0:42:27.210 the ethics section in the 0:42:27.269 --> 0:42:29.150 APTA magazine because that- This month? 0:42:29.670 --> 0:42:30.210 Is it a good one? 0:42:30.751 --> 0:42:31.891 I haven't read it yet, but I mean, 0:42:31.931 --> 0:42:33.733 just in general, I read it every month. 0:42:33.873 --> 0:42:36.295 And I feel like the ethical 0:42:36.335 --> 0:42:37.514 situations that we talked 0:42:37.534 --> 0:42:38.755 about in PT school were so 0:42:38.815 --> 0:42:39.396 black and white. 0:42:39.757 --> 0:42:39.956 Yes. 0:42:40.577 --> 0:42:42.297 In the real world, in practice, 0:42:42.498 --> 0:42:43.278 it is gray. 0:42:43.659 --> 0:42:45.000 And I think you need to be 0:42:45.099 --> 0:42:46.079 abundantly clear. 0:42:46.159 --> 0:42:47.161 And this comes with practice. 0:42:47.201 --> 0:42:47.880 It comes with time. 0:42:48.422 --> 0:42:49.722 But be abundantly clear on 0:42:49.782 --> 0:42:50.862 where your lines are. 0:42:51.023 --> 0:42:52.304 And when those lines are crossed- 0:42:53.226 --> 0:42:53.826 Walk away. 0:42:53.846 --> 0:42:56.188 Yeah. 0:42:56.228 --> 0:42:56.949 Everything out in the real 0:42:56.969 --> 0:42:58.969 world is peri-aqueductal gray. 0:42:59.010 --> 0:43:00.110 That is the official color 0:43:00.490 --> 0:43:01.572 of ethical issues we 0:43:01.592 --> 0:43:02.672 discussed on a previous episode. 0:43:02.693 --> 0:43:03.313 I can't remember what it is, 0:43:03.333 --> 0:43:04.233 but that's the official color. 0:43:04.833 --> 0:43:06.014 Parting shot, Rebecca Griffith. 0:43:07.144 --> 0:43:08.766 I think like failure is free, 0:43:08.945 --> 0:43:10.246 but like learning from it 0:43:10.327 --> 0:43:11.126 and growing from it is 0:43:11.186 --> 0:43:13.007 costly where it can be, 0:43:13.608 --> 0:43:16.130 but that it's worth that 0:43:16.329 --> 0:43:18.110 cost to be better. 0:43:18.210 --> 0:43:18.911 And to learn from that, 0:43:18.951 --> 0:43:19.851 because I think if both 0:43:19.931 --> 0:43:21.072 Elise and I had stayed 0:43:21.192 --> 0:43:22.333 being the way we were in 0:43:22.353 --> 0:43:23.072 the places we were, 0:43:23.134 --> 0:43:24.514 we wouldn't be who we are now. 0:43:25.014 --> 0:43:26.135 And I would probably still 0:43:26.175 --> 0:43:27.795 be like hiding in the bathroom at work. 0:43:27.916 --> 0:43:31.358 So you gotta, you gotta put in the cost. 0:43:31.777 --> 0:43:33.818 I had a Twitter interaction with some guy. 0:43:33.938 --> 0:43:34.498 I can't remember who. 0:43:34.639 --> 0:43:35.518 Did you know Nick Hoops? 0:43:35.980 --> 0:43:36.400 Nick Hoops. 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:38.601 He said something about failure. 0:43:39.081 --> 0:43:39.880 And then someone was like, 0:43:40.681 --> 0:43:41.862 I don't know why you love failure. 0:43:41.981 --> 0:43:43.202 I'm over here loving success. 0:43:43.483 --> 0:43:43.802 And I was like, 0:43:43.822 --> 0:43:44.862 I'm going to agree with Nick on this one. 0:43:44.882 --> 0:43:45.663 He's like, well, 0:43:45.963 --> 0:43:47.324 I'm over here on Success Island. 0:43:47.344 --> 0:43:47.864 And I want to be like, 0:43:49.005 --> 0:43:50.585 you either lucked out and 0:43:50.605 --> 0:43:51.846 then good for you that you 0:43:51.885 --> 0:43:53.505 got to Success Island without failure. 0:43:53.525 --> 0:43:53.867 But I'm like, 0:43:54.047 --> 0:43:57.887 my canoe and oar is made out of failure. 0:43:58.688 --> 0:44:00.009 And that's more reliable, right? 0:44:01.371 --> 0:44:02.291 I'm going to chuck it. 0:44:02.612 --> 0:44:04.092 I'm going to give it a shot, right? 0:44:04.172 --> 0:44:04.353 I mean, 0:44:04.373 --> 0:44:06.393 I think that's one element that art 0:44:06.474 --> 0:44:07.893 and music and sports gives 0:44:07.914 --> 0:44:10.614 you is you are chock full of failure. 0:44:11.235 --> 0:44:13.677 Like, dude, you will score a goal, 0:44:13.697 --> 0:44:14.317 but do you know how many 0:44:14.336 --> 0:44:15.097 times you're going to fail 0:44:15.297 --> 0:44:16.737 at the thing that scored you the goal? 0:44:17.157 --> 0:44:18.137 And the only way to do that, 0:44:18.157 --> 0:44:18.677 do you think you learn 0:44:18.777 --> 0:44:19.798 anything from doing the 0:44:19.898 --> 0:44:21.860 triple deke the first time and scoring? 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:22.440 You don't. 0:44:22.980 --> 0:44:23.039 No. 0:44:23.594 --> 0:44:24.434 And then you double down. 0:44:24.795 --> 0:44:26.735 So I would say, yeah, I would say bluff. 0:44:27.315 --> 0:44:28.016 I like acronyms. 0:44:28.076 --> 0:44:29.155 Bluff, bottom line up front. 0:44:29.795 --> 0:44:31.255 Fail, first attempt in learning. 0:44:31.315 --> 0:44:32.856 I would say the only way I 0:44:32.896 --> 0:44:35.097 was a good radio DJ was I 0:44:35.117 --> 0:44:36.356 was a crappy radio DJ but 0:44:36.436 --> 0:44:38.038 wanted it bad enough to go 0:44:38.097 --> 0:44:39.938 through what Seth Godin, great writer, 0:44:39.958 --> 0:44:40.677 calls the suck. 0:44:40.998 --> 0:44:41.257 He's like, 0:44:41.277 --> 0:44:42.757 the suck will come and you have 0:44:42.777 --> 0:44:43.237 to like it. 0:44:44.039 --> 0:44:45.659 And that's why I don't make 0:44:45.759 --> 0:44:47.958 sweaters or cook hams as my 0:44:48.018 --> 0:44:49.400 thing because I don't like 0:44:49.460 --> 0:44:50.519 it to start and I'm not 0:44:50.539 --> 0:44:51.360 going to go through the suck. 0:44:52.260 --> 0:44:52.679 Uh, ladies, 0:44:52.820 --> 0:44:54.541 we'll be back next week and 0:44:54.561 --> 0:44:56.282 that's one week prior to CSM. 0:44:56.302 --> 0:44:57.543 What do we want to talk about next week? 0:44:57.603 --> 0:44:58.724 Any ideas or we'll come up 0:44:58.744 --> 0:45:00.626 with them or happy to take some thoughts, 0:45:01.485 --> 0:45:01.565 uh, 0:45:02.027 --> 0:45:03.226 to any of our social channels from the 0:45:03.286 --> 0:45:04.628 audience of what we'd like to discuss. 0:45:04.807 --> 0:45:05.929 We have done some previous 0:45:05.969 --> 0:45:06.929 live streams and episodes 0:45:07.050 --> 0:45:08.291 on what we're going to, 0:45:08.331 --> 0:45:09.291 what we're presenting on, 0:45:09.311 --> 0:45:10.271 what we're looking forward to. 0:45:10.652 --> 0:45:11.552 So I'll just throw it out there. 0:45:11.672 --> 0:45:12.713 If the audience wants to 0:45:13.114 --> 0:45:14.094 hear us discuss something 0:45:14.253 --> 0:45:15.074 always open to it, 0:45:15.135 --> 0:45:16.956 you can throw it in the old smorgasbord. 0:45:17.916 --> 0:45:18.617 Um, that's all I got. 0:45:18.637 --> 0:45:19.458 I like it. 0:45:20.047 --> 0:45:20.608 They say the best 0:45:20.648 --> 0:45:22.032 conversations happen in happy hour. 0:45:22.494 --> 0:45:23.014 Thanks for coming on.