What Burnout Taught Dr. Janet Bezner About PT Leadership

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You're listening to the PT Pinecast,

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where smart people in healthcare come to

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make noise.

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Here's your host, Jimmy McKay.

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This is a fun one.

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After forty five years in physical therapy

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across clinical care, national advocacy,

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education, administration,

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today's guest is not leaving.

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I like this.

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You're stepping into something different,

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going towards not away from towards

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retirement.

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And we're going to find out what is

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in there.

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I'm going to guess a little bit of

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Peloton is in there.

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That's just my guess.

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What she's really stepping into is the

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next version of herself.

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Aren't we always?

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We did that in elementary school.

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You were a third grader,

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then what'd you do?

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Became a fourth grader.

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So it's looking to step into something.

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I think this is awesome.

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Throughout those four to five years,

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she's been a champion of health promotion,

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national board certification,

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mentor to hundreds of PTs.

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And she believes great PTs aren't defined

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by tools or techniques,

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but by the version of themselves that

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they...

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Step into.

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You see what this is?

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It's a perfect setup.

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She was born in the backseat of a

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car.

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We got to get into that.

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I love the little weird side things that

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we find out about people that maybe you

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never knew.

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And she's been in motion ever since.

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See what I did there?

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Born in the back of a car.

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Been in motion.

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Got it.

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All right.

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Well, congratulations to Dr. Janet Besner.

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Uh-oh.

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Thank you.

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There.

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There we go.

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There's a great intro.

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Janet, first of all, congratulations.

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Thank you.

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This is a pretty big deal.

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I think it was on LinkedIn.

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People were announcing,

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you were announcing your retirement and

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all those different things.

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So it's hard to ask a first question

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there,

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but I thought hard about the first one.

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You've had a

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I like to ask past and present questions.

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What did you think would matter most at

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the start and what actually ended up

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mattering the most in your career?

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You know, when I started,

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I was really focused on being the best

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clinician that I could be.

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That was in nineteen eighty one back in

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the day where whatever you did,

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you got paid for.

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I have heard about those ideas like

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bedtime stories, like once upon a time.

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So, yeah,

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I think I just wanted to become the

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best PT I could.

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So that meant to me reps, learning,

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variety.

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I wasn't really sure,

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I don't think at that time,

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what I really wanted to do.

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And what I think really now looking back,

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what has mattered most, I think,

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are the relationships that I've had.

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and made and hopefully will continue to

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have.

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Yeah.

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And that's a...

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the input determines the output, right?

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So if you're aiming to be a clinician,

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then your job would be read,

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learn classes, continuing education.

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And if you do that,

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then you're gonna get this.

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But the funny part is if the thing

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that was actually most important was

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relationships,

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you approach that differently.

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At what point did you start approaching

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like, hey,

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I get more out of all of this,

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whatever this crazy thing is,

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a life or career,

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based on who I connect with and what

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I get and give to them,

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did you start then changing your inputs to

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match that output?

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And if so, how?

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I think I realized this maybe about

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fifteen years into my career when I

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realized that every job that I had had

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was because of a relationship.

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Is that crazy?

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Yeah.

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And it is still true to this day.

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Every opportunity, every job,

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every significant encounter or activity or

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something has been because of

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relationships.

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So I would say, yeah, definitely.

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I mean,

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my dad taught me never to burn bridges.

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He worked at the same employer for thirty

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five years.

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um,

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and retired and is in the hall of

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fame for his profession.

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And, um, so I knew that.

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Uh,

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but then I think when I realized how

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important relationships were to my future,

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then I really thought, okay,

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I have to nourish.

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I have to, you know,

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put into this and not, not burn bridges.

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Yeah.

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Well, there's also, there,

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there's a different mindset though.

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Like not burning a bridge is one thing,

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but understanding that the time effort,

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um,

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and energy into building a bridge is worth

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the bridge and then some yeah yeah yeah

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i think there's some overlap there the

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things that you do not to burn bridges

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are also some of the things you do

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to nurse the relationship but but yeah and

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you know pt is so wonderful because it's

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a manageable size even today i mean it

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was a lot smaller when i came in

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but you know um

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I have a lot of really close

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relationships.

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You know,

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we are paths have crossed multiple times.

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And, you know,

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when I see you and when we talk,

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it's like no time has expired.

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Right, right, right, right.

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It's so great.

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You've said leadership skills,

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not actual PT skills,

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are what let you create value and impact

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though.

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So what should PTs be doing now to

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develop these?

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And then I'll have a bonus question,

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which is good luck trying to convince a

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motivated new grad PT

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to lean on these relationship things,

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which are like so soft and subjective and

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I can't measure them.

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And I can't, how do I do like,

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so it's almost like you have to do

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some,

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you need to teach a kid to go

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to first, second, third,

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twelfth college PT school and be measured

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against these things that you learn.

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And then, Hey, you're out.

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Scrap most of that.

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You learned it.

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Good.

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Now I want you to focus on all

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this stuff that we didn't teach you.

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Like that's, there's some unlearning.

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Like you said, it took you

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How would you convince someone who's

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walking into PT school now that it's

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actually the people we met along the way?

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Well, I think people get into PT,

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a lot of them, because they love people,

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right?

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So they're already relationship-focused.

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They just don't look at PT that way.

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So I don't think it's a huge right

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turn or anything.

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I think having that conversation with PT

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students...

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which you know i do uh or did

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in in my my program but yeah i

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don't think it's a huge shift and i

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think it's just um the way that you

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think about it and and realizing that um

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relationships are going to be the key to

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your success and so you should nurture

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those skills and and they're the same

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skills that make you a good pt to

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a patient i think you know um

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Leadership is a different situation.

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I don't think PTs see themselves as

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leaders,

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maybe more now that we're at the DPT

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degree, but man, I mean,

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I'm so grateful for the opportunities I

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had to become a leader in all these

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different settings and then to realize,

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oh, there's a real set of skills here.

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And I'm working as a consultant and one

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of my clients

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um wants me to build a leadership

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curriculum for for a project they're doing

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so i'm very excited about that and it'll

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be available to pts ot speech therapists

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um i think it's going to be hard

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to convince them to pay pay to take

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it but um that's always a challenge but

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i think you know i think we have

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to figure out um how to leverage those

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skills because that's what the profession

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needs to get what we want

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Agreed.

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What, what,

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what leadership skill did you resist early

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in your career that now maybe you swear

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by?

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Was there something that you were like,

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no, no.

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Isn't that funny?

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Like the thing we've like say never winds

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up, winds up.

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Yeah.

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Always.

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I can't think of anything, you know,

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like I,

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I'm one of those people that always puts

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their foot in their mouth.

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So I have a lot of courage.

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I don't really care when I make a

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mistake, as long as I don't kill anybody.

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I just do it again or learn or

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whatever.

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So I was one of those people that

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was comfortable putting myself out there.

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And so I don't think I ever resisted.

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I mean,

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there are several things that I really,

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um,

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it took me a long time to get

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better at.

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One of those things is when,

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when somebody is not accountable.

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So if somebody is not doing their job,

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um,

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The way you approach that and the way

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you help them to see that they need

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to do it,

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it was a one eighty for me.

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The way I started,

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I would I would sort of, you know,

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throw it in their face and say,

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you know, you didn't do this.

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Come on, do it.

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And that just never works.

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And so the way I approach people really

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has has evolved.

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I would say I never really resisted it.

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My dad set the tone for me.

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My dad was a New York City fireman

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and I wasn't a fireman.

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But when I took over my first radio

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station,

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half the radio station staff was older

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than me and had been a broadcaster longer.

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And the other half,

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even if they were younger than me,

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had been at that station longer than me.

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So I was like sort of the new

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guy.

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And my dad would just say,

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he gave me like this great advice,

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which was, your job is to,

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you work for them.

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Yeah.

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And you only have to be the boss

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if they don't do what they're,

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if they know that they've been doing this

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longer.

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Your job is to allow them to do

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that.

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If they don't do that,

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then they're making you be the boss,

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the prototypical.

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And that changed everything where like

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normally I was like, well,

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you've got to be the loudest and the

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smartest and the first to whatever.

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And I'm going to bring the hammer down.

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And I was like,

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but I hated working for people who did

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that.

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And my dad was essentially telling me,

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you don't have to.

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yeah no that's great advice he's right

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yeah the job was create a really great

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environment yes yes that was another thing

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i learned later was um the importance of

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culture um and i'll have to say this

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last um i don't know uh five years

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of being at texas state i i really

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feel like i was able to build this

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culture uh where the students can can

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thrive and

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Every kind of student, you know,

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students come in,

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we have a class of forty six and

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students come in at all different places.

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Oh, yeah.

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In terms of their preparation.

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And we were able to create a culture

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where every one of those students can can

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thrive.

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And I'm so very proud of that and

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so grateful for that.

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And I, I,

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I wish I'd learned that earlier in my

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career.

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Picasso said good artists borrow,

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great artists steal.

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would you borrow or steal from other

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people?

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Were there like tools?

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I like stealing ideas from outside the

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profession.

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I forget the guy's name,

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but he was the guy who founded that

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Zappos, the online shoe.

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And he realized that he was the bottleneck

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at some point,

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that there were decisions not being made.

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So he made a rule.

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If it's going to cost you less than

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a thousand dollars to solve it,

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I trust you go solve it.

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You're going to have to explain it

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eventually, but solve it, solve it,

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solve it, solve it.

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And they saw their level of complaints go

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from like X to like almost zero.

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They were like,

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everything was less than a hundred bucks

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or like close to it.

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So is there anything that you like learned

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from maybe outside of profession that you

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like sort of stole and reeled in and

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brought it towards us?

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Well,

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I would say the whole area of health

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promotion and wellness for sure.

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Like I was one of the very first

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PTs to even dive into that.

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And

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Um,

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for me that happened in the early nineties

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when I was doing my PhD and.

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You know,

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that whole body of work opened up a

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whole area for me that I knew nothing

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about.

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And I spent the last thirty years trying

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to figure out how to get that integrated

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PT and, and then others came along and,

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and have done a lot towards that as

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well.

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But, um, yeah,

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the whole notion of prevention,

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I think PTs, we kind of knew it,

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but.

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you know, we were paid to fix,

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you know, things not to prevent them.

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So we weren't emphasizing it.

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So that that's, I think,

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a great example of that.

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But then all I mean, I'm like you,

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I read and explore lots of different

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things and different topics.

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And

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i'm sure i grab ideas from all kinds

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of other places i've done seven or eight

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different videos um about the company that

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makes the bike behind you like i look

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at peloton and people were i'm like look

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what they're doing like

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Look what they're really doing.

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Yeah.

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They made you and me pay a couple

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grand for a bike.

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That happens.

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But then a lot of times people,

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it becomes a laundry rack, right?

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Right.

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Exactly.

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They're able now through technology,

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they can track who uses it, how often,

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how long.

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If you look at the updates,

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we're recording this in early twenty

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twenty six.

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it's now you like,

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it always had really great data,

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but I gotta be honest.

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I was just like the data I would

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look at how many times in the last

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thirty days compared to the previous

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thirty days did I get on it?

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Right.

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Now it's able to crunch the data and

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be like, Hey, listen,

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your average watt per watt per ride is

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up.

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That's great.

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And I'm like, Oh,

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and then it's suggesting, you know,

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it will be great if you,

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if you threw in a couple of strings.

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I look at what they're doing is they're

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not, it's a bike company,

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but really it's a health sort of

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motivation, promotion, integration.

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They're making their, their,

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their make and gamification.

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Have you, have you tried lane break?

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Yeah,

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I have tried it a couple of times.

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It's really good.

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I like it.

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It's goofy and dumb.

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It's a video game.

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Yeah.

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But my guess is they're tracking how many

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people are using all these different

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features.

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Oh, yeah.

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And the ones that get a little pop,

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maybe they move that to the home screen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I asked this question.

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I'm actually going to do my podcast live

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at APTA New Jersey's Student Conclave this

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weekend.

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All right.

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Sure.

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And before I start the show,

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I try to like,

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this is when you know you've made it.

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I'm my own opening act.

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I don't rank well enough to have an

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opening act.

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And the question I ask,

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because a lot of the students have no

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idea who I am.

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That's great.

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I will ask,

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how many of you are preparing to enter

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show business?

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And none of them raise their hand,

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which is on purpose.

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And then I say,

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so you're just going to tell people how

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to do exercise.

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You'll never show them.

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You'll never create a story that shows

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them what if they listen to you for

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twelve weeks, what they'll become.

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And that's when people start to get antsy

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in their seat and be like, well,

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I guess I am.

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and then that sort of goes back to

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like you're promoting health it's hard to

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track when you prevent something yes but

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that's what the smart research people are

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for that's what they're for they're saying

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hey if we do this a hundred times

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this only happens twelve not twenty nine

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right right and that that's a challenge

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right because

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the payoff for all that stuff is down

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the road way in our future where we're

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not even focused.

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And so if we could figure out how

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to,

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how to really capitalize on the day to

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day payoff, which is there,

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people underestimate it.

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That, that, that's, that,

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that would be money in our pockets.

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Well, congratulations.

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Now that you've retired,

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I would like to nominate you for being,

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you, you,

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you get to try to solve that.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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It's interesting, you know, already.

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So I retired December thirty first, but,

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the last day of work,

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official work was the twenty third.

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So I've had, you know, what,

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a week and a half or so.

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And already my mind is more open.

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It's so cool.

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Yes.

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Like I usually spend,

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I think I was spending a fair amount

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of time thinking about what's on my plate

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this week and how am I going to

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solve this problem?

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You know, my job was just

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I had the ultimate middleman job.

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So department chair,

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I was an associate Dean, you know,

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there's stuff coming from up here,

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stuff coming from down here.

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And it's like, Oh my God,

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what do I pay attention to today?

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And so I can already feel the space

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in my brain.

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And I hope that I can spend some

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time really being thoughtful.

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In fact,

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that's my word for twenty twenty six

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thoughtful about things that matter that

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need to be

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thought about.

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So I'm looking forward to that.

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I love that.

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All right.

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So you're big on the idea of showing

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up as your best self,

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but what is that?

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I've heard that phrase before.

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What does that actually look like?

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How do you develop and how do you

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know when you did,

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how do you know when you do it?

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Oh, that's such a great question.

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So I think it's very individualistic,

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obviously.

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It's figuring out

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Okay, let me say this.

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It's knowing what you're naturally very

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good at,

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which most of us can do in our

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sleep.

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And when we're at our absolute worst,

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we can do that.

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But we're not all good at everything,

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right?

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So there's a lot of the things that

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were required in my most recent job that

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I was not natural at,

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that I had to work at.

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So in order to deliver on those things,

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when I needed to,

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which most of the time was not,

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didn't warn me, hey,

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you're gonna have to do this tomorrow,

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it just showed up.

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I had to figure out what allows me

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to have the most energy around that.

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So for me, it's very simple things,

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getting a good night's sleep,

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regularly exercising,

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eating things that nourish me,

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not that drain me,

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having connection with people, having,

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you know,

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meaningful,

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intimate connection with people,

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things like that.

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Some alone time.

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I'm an extrovert,

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but I still need a little alone time.

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So things like that.

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And so I think you know it when

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you can do the things that you don't

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like and that you don't look forward to

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and you notice yourself going, oh,

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you know, I'm not so,

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I'm not so anxious about that.

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I think I got that.

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Have you ever,

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have you ever read the book or heard

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the, the, the, the paradigm,

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the six types of working genius?

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I don't know that one.

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So this one essentially breaks what you're

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saying.

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They sound similar.

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It doesn't list what tasks they are.

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It lists what types of tasks.

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Okay, got it.

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I worked for a boss years ago who

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was like, Jimmy,

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if you ever want to rise and rank

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in this company,

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we're going to need you to get better

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at spreadsheets.

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He's like, you're terrible.

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And I'm like, yep, I don't disagree.

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And then I asked a question back to

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this guy who'd been there for twenty five

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years and was sort of like the resident,

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one of the resident experts.

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And I said, hey,

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the people here at this organization who

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are good at spreadsheets,

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are you telling them to get better at

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communicating verbally?

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And he's like, no.

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And I'm like,

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then why don't I just do more of

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the thing I'm already good at?

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And then we get one of those spreadsheet

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people who could do that in their sleep

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and we have that do it.

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And here's why.

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I'm going to spend this much effort

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getting good at spreadsheets and I'm going

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to get this much better.

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Or we let me do the things you

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hired me for.

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And I know this is going to shock

00:19:52.866 --> 00:19:52.987
you.

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He did not like my response.

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Be well-rounded.

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I'm like, but I,

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I'm not here for spreadsheets.

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That doesn't give me energy.

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In fact, I would,

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I would see spreadsheet day on the

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calendar and I would dread it for the

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month preceding that.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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You know, and it's interesting,

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the strengths-based evidence and approach.

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Have you heard about the strengths-based

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approach?

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Maybe.

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Does that ring a bell?

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Maybe.

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A typical annual evaluation with my boss

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was, here's what you do really well.

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Here's what you don't do well.

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Let's work on that.

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You need to really focus on what you

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don't do well.

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And the strengths-based approach says,

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you know, just do what you're good at.

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Well,

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it's awesome in theory if you have the

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ability to carve out a job where you're

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only relying on your strengths.

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I have never had that job and I've

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always been in a sort of an executive

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position, a leadership role where,

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you know,

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you have to be good at everything.

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You have to be good at the spreadsheet.

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You have to be good at the people.

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You have to be good at the policies.

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You have to be good at budget.

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And so for me,

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I need to bring my best self so

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that I can do a good job.

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at those things that I'm not natural at

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or else it just sucks the life out

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of me.

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And, you know, I'm one of those people.

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I've loved every job I've had.

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I've loved every position I've been in.

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I've loved almost every day of work.

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I mean,

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work never felt like work to me because

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I love my profession.

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I love what I was doing.

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And I have some, you know,

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some desire and some motivation to do a

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good job.

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So, yeah, so for me,

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I never had the luxury of only doing

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my strengths, but some people can.

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And if you can, I support that.

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So, so working genius was less about,

00:21:50.316 --> 00:21:51.375
it was, it was, it was,

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it was more about the type of work

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and did it give you energy?

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Did it suck energy or was it neutral?

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So essentially,

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essentially I wasn't planning on going

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here,

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but this is what it looks like on

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the screen.

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I'm going to pop up there.

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So essentially it just says there's six

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types of,

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I see.

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Wonder.

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And of course,

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it magically spells the word widget,

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which if you're going to write a book,

00:22:17.577 --> 00:22:18.597
make it spell a word.

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Gotcha.

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Wonder, invention, discernment,

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galvanizing, enablement, and tenacity.

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And it goes into what those things are

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and yada, yada, yada.

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But what it says is,

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all of us of course if you're also

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if you're gonna have a paradigm make it

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work a hundred percent of the time because

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that people will buy your book it's that

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all of us have it looks like a

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stoplight green yellow red it's like all

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of us just naturally are have green as

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two of them yellow and they're all

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different and red is two and by right

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it's like you'll if you only did this

00:22:52.061 --> 00:22:53.722
task all day you're gonna go home feeling

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like you got hit by a truck and

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you're never you're gonna want to crawl in

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your bed and pull your blanket over your

00:22:57.586 --> 00:22:57.666
head

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Now you might have to do some of

00:22:59.508 --> 00:22:59.607
it,

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but as long as the greens outweigh the

00:23:02.109 --> 00:23:05.612
reds and then like me being an accountant,

00:23:05.832 --> 00:23:08.634
like I'd rather just cash everything in

00:23:08.834 --> 00:23:09.394
and just go live.

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Couldn't do it.

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I bet people who are good at accounting

00:23:13.636 --> 00:23:14.018
would be like,

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speak in front of people and do whatever

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on the, on the fly.

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Not a chance.

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Now I want to have that accountant,

00:23:19.902 --> 00:23:21.663
like let's send you to public speaking and

00:23:21.702 --> 00:23:22.542
let's triple down.

00:23:22.563 --> 00:23:23.743
You're going to lead our podcast.

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That person might hate it,

00:23:25.464 --> 00:23:27.727
might hate it and be bad at it.

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Or do we just let the person who's

00:23:30.087 --> 00:23:31.189
good at it and wants to do it?

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Now,

00:23:32.229 --> 00:23:33.609
if there are parts of your job that

00:23:33.630 --> 00:23:34.390
you need to get done,

00:23:34.951 --> 00:23:37.412
it's saying you can plow through one of

00:23:37.451 --> 00:23:38.551
those red activities,

00:23:39.032 --> 00:23:40.613
but it shouldn't be ninety percent of what

00:23:40.633 --> 00:23:41.953
you're doing or you're going to hate the

00:23:41.973 --> 00:23:42.554
environment.

00:23:42.574 --> 00:23:42.854
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No,

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I think that's there's a lot of wisdom

00:23:46.215 --> 00:23:46.455
there.

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I mean, I see people, good faculty,

00:23:49.958 --> 00:23:51.538
good researchers being put into

00:23:51.558 --> 00:23:53.079
administrative roles all the time.

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And there's no there's no they should not

00:23:55.840 --> 00:23:55.921
be.

00:23:58.489 --> 00:23:59.789
be put there um and the principle have

00:23:59.809 --> 00:24:02.673
you ever heard of the yeah yes yes

00:24:02.692 --> 00:24:04.713
yes yes for the audience it's uh you

00:24:04.733 --> 00:24:07.037
know you're good at yeah you're good at

00:24:07.096 --> 00:24:09.218
digging ditches and then you get promoted

00:24:09.278 --> 00:24:10.700
now you're in charge of everybody digging

00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.480
ditches and maybe you're okay at that and

00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:13.883
now you're in charge of the thing above

00:24:13.923 --> 00:24:15.884
that and you're not good at that

00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:18.340
So we don't promote you anymore,

00:24:18.861 --> 00:24:20.361
but we also leave you there.

00:24:20.461 --> 00:24:23.102
So the idea is the line that sticks

00:24:23.122 --> 00:24:24.762
with me is we rise to the level

00:24:24.823 --> 00:24:26.903
of our incompetence.

00:24:26.983 --> 00:24:28.743
And then you have an entire organization

00:24:28.763 --> 00:24:30.384
where people are actually one step above

00:24:30.404 --> 00:24:31.144
where they should be.

00:24:31.585 --> 00:24:33.625
And that is a travesty for them and

00:24:33.665 --> 00:24:35.006
everybody around them and the entire

00:24:35.046 --> 00:24:35.646
organization.

00:24:35.666 --> 00:24:36.086
Yeah.

00:24:36.207 --> 00:24:37.287
Yeah.

00:24:37.366 --> 00:24:38.748
No, I think it's right.

00:24:38.768 --> 00:24:39.127
I mean,

00:24:39.147 --> 00:24:42.648
we should be moving into organizations and

00:24:42.689 --> 00:24:45.069
positions that really fit, um,

00:24:46.066 --> 00:24:46.846
fit our skill set.

00:24:46.885 --> 00:24:49.987
And, um, that's,

00:24:50.007 --> 00:24:51.727
that's another good piece of advice for,

00:24:51.747 --> 00:24:53.387
for the young therapist, you know, um,

00:24:53.407 --> 00:24:56.488
think about that.

00:24:56.508 --> 00:24:58.489
Talking to the young therapist,

00:24:58.528 --> 00:24:59.788
you've worked with PT students for

00:24:59.828 --> 00:25:00.348
decades.

00:25:01.088 --> 00:25:03.089
What's something or some things that they

00:25:03.130 --> 00:25:06.470
wind up worrying about too much and what's

00:25:06.529 --> 00:25:08.030
something they don't worry about enough

00:25:08.111 --> 00:25:09.990
or, or, or at least think about enough?

00:25:12.031 --> 00:25:12.652
Yeah.

00:25:12.672 --> 00:25:13.372
Um,

00:25:15.708 --> 00:25:18.950
That's, that's, I think that's a very,

00:25:19.069 --> 00:25:21.931
my answer is very generationally

00:25:22.550 --> 00:25:23.172
influenced.

00:25:23.231 --> 00:25:24.951
Like this young, this,

00:25:25.192 --> 00:25:26.553
this generation now that's in our

00:25:26.593 --> 00:25:27.273
classrooms,

00:25:28.074 --> 00:25:29.835
they're really concerned about money,

00:25:30.134 --> 00:25:32.816
like more so than any generation I've seen

00:25:33.096 --> 00:25:33.876
since mine.

00:25:34.176 --> 00:25:35.778
And I, and my generation wasn't,

00:25:36.278 --> 00:25:36.597
and I don't,

00:25:36.778 --> 00:25:38.459
I'm not saying that disparagingly.

00:25:38.898 --> 00:25:42.520
Um, they, um,

00:25:42.641 --> 00:25:44.301
I think they're over-focused on money.

00:25:45.189 --> 00:25:47.230
And I don't know where that's going to

00:25:47.269 --> 00:25:47.769
lead them.

00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:49.650
I'm interested to see.

00:25:51.230 --> 00:25:52.871
I'm afraid it might lead them to too

00:25:52.911 --> 00:25:53.871
much job hopping.

00:25:55.692 --> 00:25:59.553
And I think they should be more focused

00:25:59.813 --> 00:26:01.913
on getting in a position where they can

00:26:01.973 --> 00:26:02.653
learn and grow,

00:26:03.233 --> 00:26:04.753
whether that's through mentoring or

00:26:04.794 --> 00:26:07.954
support or colleagues or whatever.

00:26:08.214 --> 00:26:10.476
So that's the current generation.

00:26:10.496 --> 00:26:12.215
That's the advice that I would have.

00:26:12.316 --> 00:26:13.057
Yeah.

00:26:13.116 --> 00:26:13.297
Yeah.

00:26:13.336 --> 00:26:14.136
Don't chase the money.

00:26:15.605 --> 00:26:16.586
Chase the mentor.

00:26:17.145 --> 00:26:17.566
Yeah.

00:26:18.727 --> 00:26:19.807
That's a great way to say it.

00:26:19.866 --> 00:26:20.106
Yeah.

00:26:20.547 --> 00:26:21.487
Yeah.

00:26:22.067 --> 00:26:24.887
And also, and through mentoring,

00:26:24.907 --> 00:26:26.028
you build your skills.

00:26:26.347 --> 00:26:27.448
So think, you know,

00:26:27.468 --> 00:26:28.867
prioritize building your skills.

00:26:29.307 --> 00:26:29.528
Yeah.

00:26:29.548 --> 00:26:31.909
And that might mean that money has to

00:26:31.929 --> 00:26:35.209
take a second or third seat.

00:26:35.229 --> 00:26:35.730
You've heard a lot.

00:26:35.789 --> 00:26:36.029
I mean,

00:26:36.049 --> 00:26:37.769
I've heard a lot of people who wind

00:26:37.789 --> 00:26:39.309
up with money say,

00:26:39.390 --> 00:26:40.950
it wasn't the thing I was aiming for.

00:26:41.030 --> 00:26:43.270
And then magically it showed up.

00:26:43.330 --> 00:26:43.471
Yeah.

00:26:43.490 --> 00:26:43.570
Yeah.

00:26:44.308 --> 00:26:45.309
Absolutely.

00:26:45.329 --> 00:26:46.530
If you chase this thing,

00:26:46.750 --> 00:26:48.512
it winds up being the most elusive thing.

00:26:48.553 --> 00:26:49.933
But if you chase a great story,

00:26:49.953 --> 00:26:51.734
if you chase a great meaning,

00:26:52.236 --> 00:26:53.936
magically the money shows up.

00:26:53.977 --> 00:26:55.198
And I know that's easy to say and

00:26:55.218 --> 00:26:55.719
hard to do.

00:26:56.298 --> 00:26:56.680
Yeah.

00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.882
No, I think it happens a lot.

00:26:58.942 --> 00:26:59.221
I mean,

00:26:59.461 --> 00:27:01.923
I would say it happened in my case.

00:27:03.445 --> 00:27:05.166
I'm doing a lot of money examination right

00:27:05.186 --> 00:27:06.989
now because I don't have a paycheck now.

00:27:07.948 --> 00:27:09.409
making sure I can support myself for the

00:27:09.449 --> 00:27:10.229
rest of my life.

00:27:10.368 --> 00:27:11.809
And I've done great.

00:27:11.990 --> 00:27:12.789
And, you know,

00:27:13.190 --> 00:27:16.751
I've been a PT clinician and an educator

00:27:16.872 --> 00:27:19.692
and, you know, now I don't have children.

00:27:19.792 --> 00:27:21.213
So there's not a lot of,

00:27:22.453 --> 00:27:23.634
there's not a lot of stress there,

00:27:24.115 --> 00:27:25.836
but I've done really well.

00:27:26.115 --> 00:27:27.856
And I never, never chased the money.

00:27:27.957 --> 00:27:29.577
That was never my priority.

00:27:29.938 --> 00:27:34.039
And, and I didn't,

00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.119
I would say I didn't really worry about

00:27:36.161 --> 00:27:36.240
it.

00:27:36.300 --> 00:27:37.141
I was a good steward.

00:27:38.766 --> 00:27:42.048
I think I'm an example perhaps of that.

00:27:42.127 --> 00:27:44.250
Profession-wide, zooming out all the way,

00:27:44.730 --> 00:27:47.652
what do you hope the PT profession risks

00:27:48.011 --> 00:27:49.894
more in the next ten years?

00:27:50.374 --> 00:27:52.015
Where should we push our chips in that

00:27:52.055 --> 00:27:52.895
maybe we're not?

00:27:53.516 --> 00:27:54.616
What should we be bold on?

00:27:54.656 --> 00:27:59.099
What should we be bullish on?

00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.202
Articulating our value without a doubt.

00:28:06.065 --> 00:28:07.286
Boasting about

00:28:07.688 --> 00:28:08.887
what, what,

00:28:08.928 --> 00:28:10.388
what we do and what we give people.

00:28:11.308 --> 00:28:15.049
Um, because, uh,

00:28:15.069 --> 00:28:19.371
the powers that be really don't care.

00:28:21.770 --> 00:28:23.832
Tell a story that explains shows,

00:28:23.971 --> 00:28:24.912
shows them, right?

00:28:24.991 --> 00:28:25.392
Yeah.

00:28:25.471 --> 00:28:28.073
We've got to, we've got to be more,

00:28:29.153 --> 00:28:29.492
um,

00:28:29.512 --> 00:28:31.673
we've got to have more ego or else

00:28:31.753 --> 00:28:33.334
we're going to be left, uh,

00:28:33.354 --> 00:28:34.054
on the sideline.

00:28:34.174 --> 00:28:34.494
We have,

00:28:34.575 --> 00:28:36.015
we have to put ourselves out there and,

00:28:36.481 --> 00:28:37.643
You know, I think by nature,

00:28:37.702 --> 00:28:39.505
PTs aren't comfortable doing that.

00:28:39.644 --> 00:28:41.205
And I think in part,

00:28:41.226 --> 00:28:42.527
that's why we're where we are.

00:28:42.547 --> 00:28:44.568
We got to figure out how to do

00:28:44.588 --> 00:28:45.849
that and do it in a way that

00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:47.351
feels okay to us.

00:28:47.431 --> 00:28:48.833
Okay.

00:28:49.133 --> 00:28:51.555
So let's go super zoom it into you.

00:28:52.316 --> 00:28:53.616
Now you're in day,

00:28:53.856 --> 00:28:54.637
I'm not good at math,

00:28:54.678 --> 00:28:56.960
we're in week two of retirement.

00:28:57.880 --> 00:28:59.020
What's two things?

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What's something you're proud to carry

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with you?

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And what's something you're glad to leave

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behind?

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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I'm going to do the later first.

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Glad to leave behind not waking up at

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five thirty and not driving on

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I-thirty-five.

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Okay, good.

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That's our freeway.

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Now wake up at five thirty and hit

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the Peloton right behind you.

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No, how about seven?

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There you go.

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Even better.

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So I'm really glad to leave behind the

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grind of getting up, getting to work,

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being in the office every day, um,

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That was weighing on me.

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And what I'll take with me is all

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those great relationships I built.

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Yeah.

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It's been so wonderful to hear from people

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as I've been putting out on social media

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that I'm retired.

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And I've heard some from students I

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haven't heard from in twenty years.

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So I hope just to keep connecting with

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people and I'll take that with me.

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I mean,

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the people that you wind up mentoring,

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dozens, hundreds, whatever,

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they've probably, I'm imagining,

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gotten into some really interesting,

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weird corners and levels.

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They've climbed ranks and gone places that

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are almost like that Dr. Seuss book,

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right?

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All the places you'll go.

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Right, exactly.

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That's got to be pretty cool if you

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look back and look at yourself as,

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I guess we're always a branch on someone

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else's tree,

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but you're also the roots of your own

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tree.

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Yeah, no,

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I love hearing their stories and learning

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about what they're doing and how they got

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there.

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I think that's really, really cool.

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So, yeah.

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I got to be honest,

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I'm not pitching here,

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but a great idea for a podcast would

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be one interview with someone you've met

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along the way per year you were in

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the profession and you got yourself

00:30:49.490 --> 00:30:50.650
something episodes, right?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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No, you're right.

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That's cool.

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I like that idea.

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All right.

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Last thing we do every episode,

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we call it the parting shot.

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This is the parting shot.

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One last mic drop moment.

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No pressure.

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Just your legacy on the line.

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All right.

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No pressure.

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As the guy said,

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just your legacy on the line.

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Now,

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what's the thing you'd want to leave the

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audience as we wrap up?

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But by the way,

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just because you're retired doesn't mean

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you can't come back on the podcast.

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We don't discriminate against people.

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I would love to.

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What's the last thing you want to leave

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with the audience today?

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I would say, you know,

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invest in the soft skills,

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invest in developing your soft skills,

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your ability to listen,

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your ability to be empathic,

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your ability to connect with people.

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That really makes life rich.

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I've done it.

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I did it at a small conference and

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I think I talked to somebody else about

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doing it at CSM potentially next year.

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I already have the title.

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Why are these soft skills so damn hard?

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Yeah, that's great.

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We should teach them, number one,

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identify the problem and then give people

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a handful of skills to then go out

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and solve.

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Hey, I'd say congratulations.

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That feels final though,

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but I'd say well done.

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And I'm sort of excited which direction

00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.720
you're going to go with this next.

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Now that your head isn't moving linearly,

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you're going in all directions with your

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thought process.

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That's great.

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Yeah, yeah.

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One thing,

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I'm going to learn how to make pastries.

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like really good pastry all the pastries i

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want to learn all the different doughs and

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i want to i want to just do

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your basic croissant and i want to want

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to do like the savory pastry so i'm

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gonna take a class i might take a

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boot camp i found a boot camp in

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june one week of class boot camp and

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i'm just gonna make pastries for my

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friends and hopefully they'll give me

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feedback until i perfect it

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New podcast idea.

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In person, we record,

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and you make six different pastries,

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and then we try the pastry,

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and I get to ask you one question.

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Okay, deal.

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Janet Bezner, hey, congratulations,

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and thanks for sharing some wisdom.

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It's been fun, Jimmy.

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Thank you.

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That's it for this one,

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but we're just getting warmed up.

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00:33:14.760 --> 00:33:17.321
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It's for entertainment purposes only.

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Bullshit!

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See, Keith?

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We read the script.

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Happy now?