Inside Life as a Space Force Physical Therapist

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So full disclosure,

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full disclosure to dreams.

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One of my,

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if not my favorite movies when I

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was a kid was Space Camp.

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I mean, if you grew up and you were my age,

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I'm forty four.

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So I was born in like seventy nine,

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eighty like space camp was the thing.

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And here's why.

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It's such a well written

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story because anybody could

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accidentally go to space.

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So like you were always just like I mean,

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first of all,

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best advertisement for space

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camp it could ever be

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because look at the things

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that you could do.

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So spoiler alert,

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but I don't think I don't

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think I have to say spoiler

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alert because of the movies

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over ten years old.

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I don't have to say spoiler

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alert means you just haven't seen it.

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Kids go to space camp.

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Some of the kids don't want to be there,

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but they have to be there.

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Some of the kids love space

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and then they actually get

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launched into accidentally

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get launched into space and

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they have to work together

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as a team to somehow get home.

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And it's a perfect kid movie,

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but it showed kids like, I don't know.

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maybe it could happen so you

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sort of are I mean living

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part of that a little bit

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where you got to take what

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you do and touch space and

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somehow so before I don't

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want to explain to people

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what you do I want you to

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explain to people what you

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do sarah ward how are you a

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physical therapist

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, um, I love to face face camp.

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I know exactly what you're talking about.

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So I'm, I'm an early eighties baby.

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Um, but yeah, so I've had a,

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a very like eclectic

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physical therapy career journey.

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I've been a practitioner for

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four or fourteen going on

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fifteen years actually.

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Um,

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and dipped into tactical when I was

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about nine years in,

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I got recruited for a

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special warfare unit and that's,

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Although it doesn't sound applicable,

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it's actually how I landed up here.

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So I do find it to be appropriate,

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but essentially worked with

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Air Force Special Warfare

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for five years and was

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embedded in a unit and did

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tons of cool stuff and went

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out in the field and did a

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lot of emergency medicine and

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Learned a lot.

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It was amazing.

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I always joke around and say

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like as a clinical provider,

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like a treating provider,

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that was the peak of my career.

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By all means, you know,

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it was such a good family environment.

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Had some opportunities to

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present on the military

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aspect level at some pretty high levels,

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pretty high level

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conferences and came into, you know,

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if you know,

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Space Force is actually part

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of the Air Force.

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So the Air Force made a

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division called Space Force.

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We're four years old.

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And that's how I got recruited.

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So I was kind of already in

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the Air Force space and in

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the human performance world,

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embedded on a team,

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helping build out

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programming on the special warfare side,

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which has been around a while,

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but they were trying to

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build out different tiers

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of special warfare.

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And that's how I landed over here.

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Actually,

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I'm very grateful for my

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experience over there

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because that's how these

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jobs essentially got filled

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by word of mouth in the

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beginning for the first

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handful of quote unquote

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like OGs that are on the

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ground building the program.

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But got recruited over and

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You know,

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it turned into a job that I

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couldn't refuse.

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I always said I would only

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leave my special warfare

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job if I either A, got like a tier one,

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like a Delta Force level

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job or a space job.

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Those are always my two,

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like that's the only way

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I'm leaving scenarios.

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So I got the space job.

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So what does that look like?

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You keep calling it the space job.

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So you work technically as a

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holistic health integrator, right?

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That's like your title for

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the US Space Force,

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which sounds incredibly unique.

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And it is.

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What does that role involve?

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And what's like maybe your day to day,

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although I'm imagining day

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to day things change,

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but what does it look like

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in such a specialized environment?

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Yeah, so it's really cool and unique,

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which was one of the really

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marketing sticking points for me,

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because like I said,

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I was very content where I was.

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So it had to be a very good, you know,

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initiative to kind of pull

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me from the work I was doing.

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Um, and they are,

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so Space Force is trying to

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be super initiative,

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brand new kid on the block.

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And essentially the program

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I work for is called the

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holistic health approach,

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which is Space Force's

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version of embedded care.

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Um, but it looks different and it,

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and it is very innovative.

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Um, and I'm grateful to be a part of it,

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but essentially we're

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taking different aspects of

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other embedded cares that

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we already know are out

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there that have trialed and

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errored and worked.

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Space Force was very

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intentional to bring

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together SMEs from all

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branches of military and

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life who already had trial

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and error experience.

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They were very smart.

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So, you know,

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the nine of us sit down at

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the table and it's like,

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I've already done that.

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Like, let's try that.

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So we've been able to hit

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the ground running,

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I feel like a little bit

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faster than some of these

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other programs just because of the

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intention that they did into

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their building.

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But essentially,

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we take different forms of

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human performance optimization,

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lifestyle preventative medicine,

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a little bit of public health,

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and then your traditional embedded care.

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We roll it all into one program.

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And what makes us different is...

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the true focus on preventative care.

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So if you come on board our team, you know,

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initiative that Space Force

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is doing is all of our

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providers become board

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certified in lifestyle medicine,

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which is really cool.

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And it's a huge initiative with them.

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But the biggest thing is we

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take the care and we

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actually bring it into the

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restricted areas where

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there's never been care before.

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So a lot of times this type of clientele,

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they're in restricted areas

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for very long periods of time.

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you know, ten, twelve,

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sometimes longer shift.

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And they're just not taking

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care of themselves.

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And it's very common in the

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military and restricted area.

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It's kind of like once you

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go behind the locked door, you know,

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we won't see you again.

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And then we're the first

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initiative to kind of go

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forward and bring the care

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into them versus trying to drag them out,

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which has always been kind

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of the status quo before then.

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And of course, people don't do it.

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They can't leave their post.

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You know,

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they're doing a very high level of work.

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So...

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Well, that's good.

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You're boldly going where no

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clinician has gone before.

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You knew I was going to make

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some space jokes and you

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knew that'd be a little bit off topic,

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but of course you're going to do that.

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So in your work, in your career,

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and in the things that you've said,

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you've emphasized the

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importance of tactical

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human performance in your work.

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What makes working at Space

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Force different from other

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settings that even you've

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been in or the traditional PT setting?

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Why is it so crucial to the mission?

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Yeah.

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So it's super different from civilian.

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I've worked in a lot of settings,

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a lot of sports orthopedics, you know,

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the whole thing.

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I did PRN weekends at a

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trauma lens center for years.

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I was a college professor

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for years and just,

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it doesn't really compare to any of that.

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And I think anybody that

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works as a therapist and

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tactical can resonate with that.

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Just a totally different level of field.

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You don't worry about insurance,

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like give access to the people, you know,

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the leadership will make

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time for them to see you, you know,

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compliance is a little different.

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So luckily that's still the

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same in Space Force.

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If anything, it's better.

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The leadership is very

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passionate about being

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proactive and having health

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and wellness of the team for the mission,

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which is great.

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But the biggest thing, so,

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and I almost like to

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compare it to when I was

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with Special Warfare.

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It's so niche-y.

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It is very specialized.

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There's only a small amount

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of people that do it.

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But when I was with the Special Operators,

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they were physical performers, right?

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That's

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What you think of when you

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hear a special operator, big physical.

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Did I just cut out there?

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Yeah, but you're back now.

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Oh goodness.

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Can you hear me?

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Oh, okay.

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Sorry.

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There you go.

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Um, and the,

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the difference jumping over

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here is they're cognitive

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high performers.

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Sure.

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So it's just a totally

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different way in terms of

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how you program and approach them.

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very highly,

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very highly educated individuals,

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you know,

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so your whole approach to kind

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of buy in and educating

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them is completely different, right?

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compared to any other type

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of population we worked with.

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You'll sit down and they've

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already done the research

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on the topic that you're

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trying to brief them on and

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they already have questions

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with sources cited and all this stuff.

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So it's a much different

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level and more intense type

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of education and being able

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to care for them.

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But it's definitely the

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cognitive high performance

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that's probably the biggest

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indicator from this group

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compared to any other group,

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whether it's civilian or tactical.

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Yeah.

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Being educated in lifestyle medicine,

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obviously that's a very holistic approach,

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right?

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Looking at like all the different tenants.

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And we did an episode on

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lifestyle medicine and

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where it will be in five to ten years.

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It's going to be there.

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So you're where the puck is

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already headed to,

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but it's not there yet.

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So in terms of innovative approaches,

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what are some things that

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you can talk about in terms

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of innovation?

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I mean,

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you're around other people that have,

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as you mentioned, been there, done that,

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understand what worked and what didn't.

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What are some cool

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innovations in just the

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short time you've been at

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Space Force you've been

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able to see or be a part of?

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Yeah, yeah, there's a few.

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There are some legal

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restrictions on some of the

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things so I can only

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scratch the surface but the

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lifestyle medicine board

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certification is actually huge.

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There's not any other type

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of embedded care program in

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the military that either

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follows that and or

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requires that so that was a

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huge win from Space Force

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and they turned that over really quick.

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Essentially,

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they got the money and got the

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approval in about a year,

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which is very fast in government time.

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So just kind of the

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standardization of the

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program through that is really good,

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kind of aligning with that

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preventative medicine.

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And then the biggest thing

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preventative wise that

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we're doing is there's a wearable study.

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So they're actually doing a

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wearable study to try to

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figure out if wearing a

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wearable and maintaining

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standards of fitness set by, you know,

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American Heart and things of that sort,

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very known.

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you know,

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scientifically backed statuses of

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movement for general health,

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if that is better than

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taking a PT test in the military.

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Because again,

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we were having these really

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smart people that we

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recruited or Space Force

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recruited for being intelligent, right?

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I don't want to say we don't

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care what they look like physically,

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but we do.

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We want them healthy,

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but they recruited them for

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their brain and their skill

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set and their knowledge.

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And their PT test would come

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up once a year and they'd get hurt.

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And then they're out of work for two,

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three months because they

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got hurt because of a PT test,

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which has nothing to do

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Um, that's a big,

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like innovative front that they're doing,

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which has been really exciting.

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So it's still undergoing,

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it's an active human subjects research,

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uh, study.

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So we still actually have another,

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about another year in that.

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And then there'd be some

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publication and stuff to follow.

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That's interesting.

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I hadn't thought of that,

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where you're in a military setting,

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right?

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You mentioned Space Force,

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part of the Air Force.

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And these people are being

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recruited because of their

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cognitive abilities.

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But even over the last, you know,

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ten or fifteen years,

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we've looked at even chess players.

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That's like the first thing

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that comes to mind.

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And I think I read,

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and I'll get the statistic wrong,

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but they've measured how

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many calories a chess

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player will burn during a match.

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But the person's just sitting there,

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why would they be burning calories?

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Well,

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the computer inside their skull is

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actually a really,

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really a calorie hungry device.

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So what are some of the

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things that maybe are like

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obvious deficiencies?

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Is it you mentioned wearables?

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Is it the amount that they're moving?

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Or this is something they

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haven't done before.

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So now you've got to

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encourage your lay the plan

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forward for for those

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particular performers?

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Yeah, I've been at lays about that.

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You know,

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we really focus on the amount of

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movement within a given time period.

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And we're actually trying to, you know,

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work with other branches of

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the government,

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like NASA to figure out like,

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what's an acceptable VO two max, right?

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Like, you know,

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we've had conversations like,

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what's a VO two max,

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you'll send someone up in a spaceship,

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we could probably compare

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that to a VO two max for

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like a Space Force person.

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So there's a lot of moving factors, but

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We're getting a lot of data, hoping.

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I don't think, you know,

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it takes years to kind of

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figure out the right answer,

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but we're definitely being

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innovative and staying on the right track,

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which was really exciting.

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All right.

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So Space Force,

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even though it's in its

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infancy and there was a TV

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show sort of talking about it's real.

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You're proving that you're embedded there.

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What's one thing you'd want

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the audience of clinicians

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to know about work in the

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Space Force and the work

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that you're doing and why

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they should care about the

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role of PT in that particular setting?

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Someone watching this right now,

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this this is their version of space camp,

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right?

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They're watching this.

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They're listening to Sarah

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and they're saying, hey,

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in a couple of years, I can do that.

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Yeah, yeah, you could.

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Our program's growing.

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Yeah, I mean,

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aside from the point I made earlier that,

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you know,

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it's just such a unique

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population cognitively.

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So if any type of like

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cognitive performance or

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cognitive rehab or even like neuro rehab,

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I tend to use a lot of my

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old neuro rehab back like

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foundation for a lot of the

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programming we do with these guys.

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I find myself coming back to that.

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If any of that excites you,

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pay attention to us because

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you would probably love

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this population that we're working with.

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But in terms of what they do, I wish,

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and I feel like this is

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almost a cliche answer,

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I wish they could talk

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about more of what they do.

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Unfortunately,

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the majority of what the

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Space Force does is highly

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classified and they really

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can't talk about it.

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The easiest way I can put it

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is they are really good air

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traffic controllers, but for space.

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Um, if you kind of think of it like that,

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and there's a lot going on and, you know,

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they're paying attention from, you know,

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the orbit all the way to the moon.

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So it's a lot of space that

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they're covering.

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Um, but in addition, you know,

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there's still rapid response units and,

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you know, special niches and, um,

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there's just so much that

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they do that is of critical importance.

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Um, that when they're,

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they're called on to do their job,

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it's always very quick, very timely,

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but there's a very heavy, you know,

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you need to do this or

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there'll be big consequences.

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So, um,

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They're just super, super,

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super important.

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I don't think I can stress that enough.

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And of course,

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I had no idea until I came

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over too and started

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working with them and

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getting cleared and getting

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read in on the missions.

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And it's like, oh my gosh,

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you guys are super important.

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So I guess if you're

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interested in secret

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squirrel work that...

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you know,

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may or may not have to do with

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outer space in terms of,

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and with really big,

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high cognitive performers, you know,

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we would be the population for you.

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Yeah.

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Oh, balance has to come into play, right?

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So in addition to your work

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with Space Force, word on the street is,

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or I should say word on stage is,

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you do some stand-up comedy as a hobby.

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How do you balance such an intense,

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important career with

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something as different and as comedy?

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And was it intentional?

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Did you go into it saying like, hey,

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if I'm super focused at work,

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I need to do something

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that's a little bit fun and

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improvisational.

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How'd that come about?

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Yeah, no,

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that's funny that you asked that.

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So I have had a,

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this could totally be a

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whole nother episode,

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but I have lived a very colorful life,

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both as a therapist and

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outside of being a physical therapist.

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So I have been told on and

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off my entire life that I

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should go into standup

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comedy or be a comedian.

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Um, for me,

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it's a good way to like process stuff,

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I guess I can say,

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whether it be about work life or,

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you know,

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things you're experiencing or

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even things you see,

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like I'll write jokes

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sometimes of just like people watching,

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you know,

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just to kind of process things

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in the world.

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Um, so for me,

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it's always been a good way

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to kind of process.

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I like to laugh stuff off.

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Um, you know,

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if there's a mental health

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therapist listening right now,

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they probably don't like what I'm saying,

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but.

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That's just what's worked

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for me in terms of things.

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And honestly,

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moving down here to take this

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job actually gave me the

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opportunity a lot more

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because I was in a pretty

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rural area in New York with

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my special operations unit.

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And then down here in the nation's capital,

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there's obviously a lot

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more opportunities for

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stand up and open mics and

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things of that sort.

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So it's been a nice outlet for me.

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um people love the the

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medical physical therapy

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jokes to be honest with you

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there's usually a good

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balance between that and

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and personal life um but

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you know I enjoy it I see

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it more as an outlet and

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like a hobby uh I actually

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made money for the first

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time this year I made forty

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dollars doing like an

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opening set for money

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that's money money money um

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yeah yeah so I was a proud

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moment for me I'm like oh

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man that's the first time I

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remember actually getting

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paid for making people um

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which is really funny but

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no it's just just a hobby

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that I enjoy but I do try

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to blend in you know where

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appropriate like the

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personal versus pt jokes

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and they always go over

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really well anytime I'm

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like I'm a pt in my real

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job you know the hands

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start going up asking all

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types of weird questions

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that I can then poke fun at which is nice

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That's good.

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Yeah.

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There's actually,

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there's an outfit and I've been, you know,

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it's one of those things

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where you're like, I got to take this.

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There's,

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there's a group and I think

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they've moved to zoom so

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they can sort of reach more people,

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but they do improvisation

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classes for healthcare

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providers with the idea of

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most of improvisation, uh,

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Slightly, it's a type of comedy, right?

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So, you know, just for people watching,

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stand-up would be more

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prepared and improv is very

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much prepared for nothing.

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Yes, and being sort of the only rule,

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but this course like uses

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improv rules and drills and

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games to help healthcare

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providers because when

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you're interacting with a patient,

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I mean,

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tell me like the better

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place to find material.

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Right.

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But then what are you going

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to do with that material?

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Right.

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That's,

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that's what you got to prepare and

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put on stage, but it's a,

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it's a great way to learn.

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And everybody pays attention to,

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in my opinion,

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what improv artists or

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comedians will say.

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But I think that improv

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artists or comedians spend

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an infinite more time

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listening and watching, as you mentioned,

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than they do talking or performing.

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Yeah.

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Nope.

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And that's, yeah,

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that's where I get a lot of,

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a lot of my material and it's a good,

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It's a good patient interaction skill.

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I mean,

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how often have you had somebody that's,

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you know,

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starting to shut down or this

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and that and you crack a

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joke and all of a sudden they're like,

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okay, I'll, you know, I'll talk to you.

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I mean,

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it's the same thing in this setting.

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Sometimes it takes, you know,

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cracking a joke at a

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presentation or a staff meeting to get,

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to get people to kind of, you know,

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warm up to the idea of

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being taken care of.

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So yeah, I enjoy it.

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It's been a good outlet.

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I'm excited to be a part of it.

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There's a couple notable

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physical therapists who've

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become full-time comedians.

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Chris DiStefano is from Staten Island.

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He sort of blew up a little bit,

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would hang out with the

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guys from Impractical Jokers.

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He's gone full-time.

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Johnny Loquasto,

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who I've had on this show before,

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he's done stuff all over the world.

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And he does UFC, great, really funny guy.

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So not to put you on the spot,

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but the last thing we do on

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the show is called the parting shot.

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What would you want to leave

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with the audience as we wrap up?

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Is there any idea or

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anything you want to put an X?

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What's your closer for this

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for this episode is a

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better way of saying it.

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yeah yeah so space force is

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real that's probably always

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my big general statement

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because there's still a lot

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of surprise even when

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people are like what do you

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do and I say space force

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and they're like no really

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like what do you do um so

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just know it's real and

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it's and it's out there and uh

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You know, if any of it excites, you know,

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feel free to.

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I'm pretty open.

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I'm an open book.

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You can find me on, you know,

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LinkedIn or anything.

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And I'm always happy to

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field questions and this and that.

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You know, my take home is always, you know,

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keep learning, keep growing.

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You know,

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when an opportunity presents itself,

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like take the time to sit

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down and think and explore it, you know,

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because there's many times.

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that you'll get job opportunities and,

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you know, all the excuses come up,

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not the right time, not the right, this,

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not the right, that.

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Um,

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and I even did that at times before I

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took this job.

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So just always take the leap of faith,

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you know, cause next thing you know,

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you could be a part of something great.

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That's,

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that's brand new and just all new

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experiences.

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So I'm always open to,

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to learning and growing and

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you should be too.

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So.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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sometimes they say leap in the net

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shall appear.

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But I guess with Space Force,

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like leap in the shuttle

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will appear to bring me back to Earth.

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I don't know.

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Something like that.

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Some sort of parody of that.

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Yeah.

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Leap in the gravity will

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drop and you'll just float away.

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So eventually it'll work.

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Sarah Ward, U.S.

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Space Force.

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It's real.

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It's here.

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It's a thing.

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Appreciate you coming on and

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explaining just a little

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snapshot of what you get to

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do as a PT in that setting.

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Yeah, appreciate it.

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Thank you so much for having me on again.

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It was great.

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Perfect.