From Failure to Success (f Mathu Hanson)

WEBVTT00:00:02.589 --> 00:00:03.971what's the I was gonna say00:00:03.991 --> 00:00:04.730what's the worst that could00:00:04.751 --> 00:00:06.232happen but let's say what's00:00:06.251 --> 00:00:16.937the best right I love this00:00:17.277 --> 00:00:18.257so we were going to record00:00:18.297 --> 00:00:19.579an episode and I sort of00:00:19.618 --> 00:00:21.160jumped on the screen here00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:22.600with matthew it's00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:23.481pronounced matthew right00:00:23.992 --> 00:00:26.754It's actually Matho, but as I get older,00:00:26.794 --> 00:00:27.594I'm just kind of letting it00:00:27.634 --> 00:00:28.074go a little bit.00:00:28.094 --> 00:00:29.094No, that's why I like to ask.00:00:29.594 --> 00:00:30.434It's spelled different,00:00:30.475 --> 00:00:31.234and I like different.00:00:32.316 --> 00:00:33.756I jumped on the screen with Matho,00:00:33.795 --> 00:00:34.956and I was like, I don't know, man.00:00:34.996 --> 00:00:37.216This feels like a live stream.00:00:37.517 --> 00:00:38.438And I don't know.00:00:38.497 --> 00:00:39.618My Spidey sense went off.00:00:39.698 --> 00:00:40.557So I'm like this.00:00:40.997 --> 00:00:42.738And then I asked you a cool question,00:00:43.279 --> 00:00:43.978which is a question,00:00:43.999 --> 00:00:45.060but an indirect question was like,00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:45.280all right,00:00:45.299 --> 00:00:46.659what's the title of this live stream?00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:47.399You know what?00:00:47.579 --> 00:00:48.280Don't give me the title.00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:48.920Just sort of give me the00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:49.920things you're passionate about.00:00:50.021 --> 00:00:50.540And you were like,00:00:50.981 --> 00:00:51.981you started saying words.00:00:52.822 --> 00:00:53.841And I wrote the title,00:00:53.862 --> 00:00:55.402which is from suck to00:00:55.482 --> 00:00:56.902psyched lessons for new00:00:56.942 --> 00:00:58.323grad PTs with Matho.00:00:58.362 --> 00:00:58.643Wow.00:00:59.423 --> 00:00:59.863That's good.00:00:59.904 --> 00:01:00.363I like that.00:01:00.764 --> 00:01:03.085So before we hit a live stream,00:01:03.104 --> 00:01:04.805you were sort of talking about how you,00:01:05.325 --> 00:01:06.525I mean, you almost got fired.00:01:06.545 --> 00:01:07.825You did get fired or there was,00:01:08.046 --> 00:01:08.825I love that.00:01:09.825 --> 00:01:10.365Cause in any story,00:01:10.385 --> 00:01:11.206there's gotta be tension.00:01:11.227 --> 00:01:13.106There's gotta be the chance of failure.00:01:13.887 --> 00:01:14.647Oh, absolutely.00:01:14.846 --> 00:01:17.087I had a definite chance of failure.00:01:17.808 --> 00:01:20.409Um, so yeah, no, like I was saying, I was,00:01:20.849 --> 00:01:20.909um,00:01:21.734 --> 00:01:24.115I was on the verge of getting fired.00:01:24.355 --> 00:01:25.736I started working at this00:01:25.796 --> 00:01:28.718place and I wasn't really00:01:28.798 --> 00:01:29.617sure about myself.00:01:30.918 --> 00:01:31.679I had been a student.00:01:31.698 --> 00:01:33.099I was a student there previously,00:01:33.659 --> 00:01:36.301but started working at this place.00:01:36.501 --> 00:01:38.001I had no idea what I was doing.00:01:38.081 --> 00:01:39.001I was my,00:01:39.141 --> 00:01:41.603my first gig out of school was to00:01:41.664 --> 00:01:43.203work in the traumatic brain injury unit.00:01:44.125 --> 00:01:45.765And I walk on the floor.00:01:45.784 --> 00:01:46.105They're like,00:01:46.144 --> 00:01:46.926this is where you're going to be.00:01:46.986 --> 00:01:48.266My whole goal was to get on00:01:48.305 --> 00:01:49.686the spinal cord injury unit because00:01:50.242 --> 00:01:51.522my passion was just about00:01:51.543 --> 00:01:52.123spinal cord injury.00:01:52.283 --> 00:01:52.862I was, I was,00:01:53.284 --> 00:01:55.584that wasn't what I was going to do.00:01:55.605 --> 00:01:56.965And I get on this floor and00:01:56.984 --> 00:01:59.486they take me to the brain injury unit.00:01:59.566 --> 00:02:01.408And I see this guy at the time, you know,00:02:01.427 --> 00:02:02.108I didn't know what it was.00:02:02.468 --> 00:02:03.207It was a craniotomy.00:02:03.248 --> 00:02:04.769And I have no idea what that is.00:02:05.149 --> 00:02:06.290All I see is this, you know,00:02:06.950 --> 00:02:09.191skull is open and, you know,00:02:09.311 --> 00:02:10.731I see his brain throbbing00:02:10.852 --> 00:02:12.133underneath his skin.00:02:12.772 --> 00:02:14.074And I'm saying to myself,00:02:14.294 --> 00:02:15.875what the hell did I just do?00:02:15.895 --> 00:02:16.455Right.00:02:16.615 --> 00:02:18.395I drove all the way from Miami to,00:02:18.950 --> 00:02:20.131to Los Angeles to come and00:02:20.151 --> 00:02:20.911work at this place,00:02:21.270 --> 00:02:22.972and I have no idea what I'm doing.00:02:23.352 --> 00:02:23.592Wow.00:02:25.012 --> 00:02:27.312And I spent the better part00:02:27.633 --> 00:02:29.992of three months kind of in the dark,00:02:30.473 --> 00:02:30.652right?00:02:31.633 --> 00:02:32.614I didn't want anybody to00:02:32.693 --> 00:02:34.114know that I didn't know00:02:34.133 --> 00:02:35.433what the hell I was doing.00:02:36.375 --> 00:02:37.974And I always say that I can00:02:38.034 --> 00:02:38.675always tell when a00:02:38.735 --> 00:02:39.794clinician is struggling00:02:40.375 --> 00:02:41.316because what they do is00:02:41.355 --> 00:02:42.336they essentially hide.00:02:42.616 --> 00:02:43.635They hide from everybody,00:02:44.135 --> 00:02:45.295and they're not really sure00:02:45.436 --> 00:02:48.056how to take that next step.00:02:49.657 --> 00:02:51.298And I'll never forget it.00:02:51.337 --> 00:02:52.618I was flying back to Miami00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:54.941for my birthday and my00:02:54.980 --> 00:02:55.921manager brought me into the00:02:56.002 --> 00:02:58.002office and I didn't think00:02:58.062 --> 00:02:59.663about it while this was all happening,00:02:59.683 --> 00:03:00.965but I started doing the calculus.00:03:01.825 --> 00:03:03.706My back was placed to the back wall.00:03:04.347 --> 00:03:05.627There was a table between me00:03:06.429 --> 00:03:08.370and them and the room door.00:03:08.469 --> 00:03:09.931And I'm thinking, oh my gosh,00:03:10.331 --> 00:03:11.611what's going on?00:03:12.393 --> 00:03:13.493And I started doing the calculus.00:03:13.514 --> 00:03:14.213I'm like, well,00:03:14.473 --> 00:03:15.835they think I'm going to get00:03:15.875 --> 00:03:16.496mad or something.00:03:16.635 --> 00:03:17.977I'm like, okay, cool.00:03:18.981 --> 00:03:19.741And they proceeded to00:03:19.782 --> 00:03:20.802basically tell me in great00:03:20.842 --> 00:03:22.364summary that I suck.00:03:23.405 --> 00:03:24.745And when you get back,00:03:25.586 --> 00:03:27.146you are essentially going00:03:27.187 --> 00:03:29.108to have to either perform00:03:29.807 --> 00:03:30.949or we're going to basically00:03:30.989 --> 00:03:31.729kick you out the door.00:03:33.129 --> 00:03:34.790And for those of you who know that story,00:03:35.491 --> 00:03:37.393I was sitting there thinking to myself,00:03:37.473 --> 00:03:37.932oh, shoot,00:03:37.992 --> 00:03:39.574I'm going to get fired from this place.00:03:40.534 --> 00:03:42.395And, you know, world famous place,00:03:42.455 --> 00:03:43.496like you're walking around00:03:43.556 --> 00:03:45.456and people who wrote this textbook,00:03:45.637 --> 00:03:46.217that sort of thing.00:03:47.241 --> 00:03:49.623And I'm like, okay, this will suck.00:03:49.683 --> 00:03:50.724This is like the worst thing00:03:50.745 --> 00:03:51.746to put on your resume.00:03:52.325 --> 00:03:53.266I need to go and hide.00:03:53.747 --> 00:03:56.088So I went home to Miami, came back,00:03:58.691 --> 00:03:59.852sat down to do a follow-up00:03:59.872 --> 00:04:00.712meeting because I was00:04:00.733 --> 00:04:06.697supposed to sign the disciplinary action,00:04:06.757 --> 00:04:08.277my 90-day review or whatever, right?00:04:09.438 --> 00:04:14.383And a friend of mine said, you know,00:04:14.663 --> 00:04:15.743you have these things that00:04:16.064 --> 00:04:17.004she called God moments.00:04:17.369 --> 00:04:17.569right?00:04:17.668 --> 00:04:19.689This moment where you just kind of,00:04:19.750 --> 00:04:21.130you're losing your own00:04:21.591 --> 00:04:23.293self-understanding of what's happening,00:04:23.392 --> 00:04:25.334and you just get into this epiphany.00:04:26.654 --> 00:04:27.574And in that moment,00:04:27.754 --> 00:04:31.757I basically said that I sat00:04:31.798 --> 00:04:33.519here for 90 days, essentially,00:04:33.658 --> 00:04:36.940and you watched me miss on00:04:37.021 --> 00:04:38.461every single patient that I touched,00:04:39.242 --> 00:04:41.744and you allowed that to happen.00:04:42.485 --> 00:04:44.586And that's bad for the patient, and I...00:04:45.307 --> 00:04:45.607For me,00:04:45.646 --> 00:04:47.548that's my regret in time is that00:04:48.307 --> 00:04:49.927those patients for the 9000:04:49.927 --> 00:04:53.389days preceding that time failed,00:04:53.889 --> 00:04:54.309essentially.00:04:55.069 --> 00:04:57.610And here I am walking into the room,00:04:57.790 --> 00:04:59.230and you're saying that I suck for 90 days,00:04:59.449 --> 00:05:00.690and you were okay with that,00:05:00.771 --> 00:05:01.711but at the same time,00:05:02.091 --> 00:05:02.911this is where this happened.00:05:02.951 --> 00:05:05.471I knew I was struggling, but at the time,00:05:05.531 --> 00:05:06.791I think what happens is00:05:06.831 --> 00:05:08.572that you don't know how to speak up,00:05:08.612 --> 00:05:10.492where to speak up, who to speak to,00:05:10.752 --> 00:05:11.733where to go,00:05:11.973 --> 00:05:13.153and how to have those kind of00:05:13.194 --> 00:05:13.774conversations.00:05:14.673 --> 00:05:15.535And essentially,00:05:15.555 --> 00:05:19.016I put the onus back on them.00:05:19.716 --> 00:05:23.598And I essentially said, if I fail,00:05:23.718 --> 00:05:25.100it's because you failed me first.00:05:26.060 --> 00:05:28.360And your patients were at risk.00:05:29.141 --> 00:05:30.201Not me.00:05:30.302 --> 00:05:31.742I'm insignificant.00:05:32.062 --> 00:05:33.244Your patients failed first.00:05:34.103 --> 00:05:37.946And I essentially asked for a mentor.00:05:38.786 --> 00:05:39.747And my mentor,00:05:40.867 --> 00:05:42.949this lady saved my life and kind of00:05:43.384 --> 00:05:45.065set the foundation for my career.00:05:45.805 --> 00:05:48.627And, um, it's just, just an amazing lady.00:05:48.666 --> 00:05:49.747She's a professor.00:05:50.007 --> 00:05:51.346I don't know if we call names here, but,00:05:51.586 --> 00:05:54.387um, uh, Karen Edo, wherever you are,00:05:54.507 --> 00:05:55.048shout out to you.00:05:55.108 --> 00:05:56.269But, um, listen,00:05:56.928 --> 00:05:59.689she came in and she sat me down.00:05:59.790 --> 00:06:01.250She essentially said, you do suck.00:06:02.569 --> 00:06:05.130Reinforce my, reinforce my deepest,00:06:05.170 --> 00:06:06.211darkest feelings.00:06:06.372 --> 00:06:08.172And then, but hold on, hold on.00:06:08.211 --> 00:06:09.252She let the cat out of the bag.00:06:09.331 --> 00:06:11.312She's like, okay, this is where we are.00:06:12.014 --> 00:06:12.814Yeah.00:06:13.095 --> 00:06:13.814I mean,00:06:13.935 --> 00:06:15.475she observed me for like a day or two,00:06:16.076 --> 00:06:17.617and she was my selected mentor.00:06:18.918 --> 00:06:21.779And she basically said,00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:24.141you don't even look like00:06:24.180 --> 00:06:25.122you like what you're doing.00:06:25.961 --> 00:06:30.946And she then gave me kind of00:06:30.966 --> 00:06:33.427the charge of what this all meant, right?00:06:33.487 --> 00:06:35.889What does it mean to be in this role,00:06:36.108 --> 00:06:37.168taking care of patients,00:06:37.309 --> 00:06:38.410doing the things that you're doing,00:06:38.889 --> 00:06:39.951as opposed to just00:06:40.528 --> 00:06:42.509I'm here to show up and do a job.00:06:43.449 --> 00:06:46.591And through that, those conversations,00:06:46.630 --> 00:06:48.172those, you know,00:06:48.211 --> 00:06:49.552those periods where she00:06:49.591 --> 00:06:50.913mentored me and kind of00:06:51.733 --> 00:06:52.913gave me the roadmap,00:06:53.052 --> 00:06:53.713I got a better00:06:53.793 --> 00:06:54.834understanding of what my00:06:54.874 --> 00:06:56.673responsibility was, what my charge was,00:06:57.415 --> 00:06:58.475how to go about approaching00:06:58.535 --> 00:06:59.295a patient that you don't00:06:59.355 --> 00:07:00.315understand and how do you00:07:00.355 --> 00:07:02.797go about addressing those00:07:02.857 --> 00:07:06.017patients' needs and thinking 10, 15, 20,00:07:06.017 --> 00:07:08.71830 steps ahead of where you00:07:08.819 --> 00:07:10.038are in this moment and00:07:11.072 --> 00:07:12.793that just, you know, set,00:07:13.514 --> 00:07:14.995set my course forward all the way.00:07:15.074 --> 00:07:16.035So, um,00:07:16.355 --> 00:07:19.117I am here because of the efforts of00:07:19.257 --> 00:07:21.259my manager who listened to00:07:21.298 --> 00:07:22.959my crazy notion that it was her fault.00:07:23.740 --> 00:07:26.182And my manager who also00:07:26.221 --> 00:07:29.103connected me with Aaron Ito and Aaron Ito,00:07:29.163 --> 00:07:30.444who saw that, you know,00:07:30.644 --> 00:07:31.444don't really suck.00:07:31.485 --> 00:07:32.985You just don't understand00:07:33.045 --> 00:07:34.987what it is that this entails.00:07:35.187 --> 00:07:36.867And I think, you know,00:07:37.009 --> 00:07:38.269as much as we can say that00:07:38.408 --> 00:07:39.949physical therapy sucks or whatever,00:07:40.050 --> 00:07:40.730you know, I,00:07:41.225 --> 00:07:42.146people pissing and moaning00:07:42.187 --> 00:07:43.247about things all the time00:07:44.548 --> 00:07:46.089is it that it sucks or are00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:48.211we not inspired and and to00:07:48.252 --> 00:07:49.572me a lot about taking00:07:49.632 --> 00:07:50.754control of the narrative00:07:50.774 --> 00:07:51.855that we operate within a00:07:52.875 --> 00:07:53.817physical therapist or00:07:53.857 --> 00:07:54.658occupational therapist00:07:54.677 --> 00:07:56.238whoever has a lot to do00:07:56.298 --> 00:07:57.519with understanding what the00:07:57.579 --> 00:07:59.021charge is we're all00:07:59.060 --> 00:08:00.161passionate about what we do00:08:00.182 --> 00:08:01.704don't get me wrong but at00:08:01.744 --> 00:08:04.185the same time that passion00:08:04.225 --> 00:08:05.226with a better understanding00:08:05.266 --> 00:08:06.228helps lead to something00:08:06.387 --> 00:08:08.069else so I became a manager00:08:08.108 --> 00:08:09.029that was my thing like00:08:09.485 --> 00:08:11.107I'm mentoring whoever comes in the door.00:08:11.226 --> 00:08:14.148That's what we're focused on.00:08:14.567 --> 00:08:15.649Who better to do it is00:08:15.689 --> 00:08:16.889someone who knows the tricks,00:08:17.149 --> 00:08:18.769who knows what it felt like00:08:18.810 --> 00:08:20.211to hide and how you were hiding,00:08:20.290 --> 00:08:21.610and now you can spot it and00:08:21.630 --> 00:08:23.252you can intervene before it hits 90 days.00:08:23.951 --> 00:08:25.072Oh, heck yeah.00:08:26.392 --> 00:08:27.153There's no such thing as a00:08:27.194 --> 00:08:28.673bad student or a bad clinician.00:08:29.074 --> 00:08:30.115I just think it's a level of00:08:30.175 --> 00:08:31.254understanding.00:08:31.656 --> 00:08:34.157That's kind of where my00:08:34.557 --> 00:08:36.096mission lies right now.00:08:36.937 --> 00:08:37.217I think00:08:37.642 --> 00:08:38.763give the world a better00:08:38.802 --> 00:08:40.423understanding of what physical therapy is,00:08:40.604 --> 00:08:42.105but thinking outside of the00:08:42.144 --> 00:08:43.785lines of just like, you know,00:08:44.767 --> 00:08:47.869a training and, oh no, we don't do that.00:08:48.068 --> 00:08:49.090Right.00:08:49.629 --> 00:08:53.293So you mentioned, you mentioned that you,00:08:53.413 --> 00:08:54.813you, you're an audiophile.00:08:54.974 --> 00:08:55.955You have a podcast too.00:08:55.995 --> 00:08:57.115What do you, what do you talk about?00:08:57.275 --> 00:08:57.635What do you,00:08:57.796 --> 00:08:58.836what do you try to share there?00:09:00.638 --> 00:09:02.840So that kind of evolved out of,00:09:02.860 --> 00:09:04.980we used to ask students00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:06.022questions in the clinic00:09:06.221 --> 00:09:07.423about their experience.00:09:08.027 --> 00:09:11.128and what inspired them to become, you know,00:09:11.288 --> 00:09:13.668a student in PTSD.00:09:15.609 --> 00:09:17.210And we started asking these questions,00:09:17.309 --> 00:09:19.629and it just kind of stretched out.00:09:20.530 --> 00:09:22.490And we were looking at the videos,00:09:22.530 --> 00:09:24.711looking back at the videos, and, you know,00:09:24.812 --> 00:09:26.491we could just delve in a00:09:26.532 --> 00:09:27.273little bit deeper.00:09:27.753 --> 00:09:29.332And I played with it over00:09:29.393 --> 00:09:30.313the last few years during00:09:30.333 --> 00:09:31.933the COVID years when there was00:09:32.947 --> 00:09:34.586little to do just kind of00:09:34.626 --> 00:09:36.148testing stuff out a lot of00:09:36.168 --> 00:09:37.187podcasts got started in00:09:37.187 --> 00:09:38.8682020 a lot of podcasts I00:09:38.888 --> 00:09:40.847mean gosh yeah yeah and and00:09:40.888 --> 00:09:42.129I heard you say I think I00:09:42.149 --> 00:09:42.889started listening to your00:09:42.928 --> 00:09:44.408podcast maybe like a couple00:09:44.448 --> 00:09:45.349months ago that's a whole00:09:45.749 --> 00:09:47.249story but I want to get it00:09:47.308 --> 00:09:51.009but okay but but one of the00:09:51.049 --> 00:09:52.990things was is that like my00:09:53.029 --> 00:09:54.311whole goal was like I don't00:09:54.350 --> 00:09:54.890want to be the eight00:09:54.951 --> 00:09:56.571episode guy so yeah I00:09:56.630 --> 00:09:57.730really wanted to have00:09:57.831 --> 00:09:59.110meaningful conversations00:09:59.250 --> 00:10:00.692and and not just with00:10:00.831 --> 00:10:02.272students but also patients00:10:02.292 --> 00:10:02.812because I think00:10:03.206 --> 00:10:03.946one of the things going00:10:03.966 --> 00:10:04.427through that whole00:10:04.466 --> 00:10:05.746experience where I started00:10:06.168 --> 00:10:08.028had to do with a patient that I had,00:10:08.048 --> 00:10:08.708and I'll never forget her.00:10:08.729 --> 00:10:09.328She was a nurse.00:10:09.789 --> 00:10:10.669Yeah.00:10:11.389 --> 00:10:12.530And during that time,00:10:12.551 --> 00:10:13.130when I was going through00:10:13.150 --> 00:10:13.971that whole transition,00:10:14.032 --> 00:10:14.892she actually looked at me00:10:14.991 --> 00:10:15.793one time and said, you know,00:10:16.173 --> 00:10:17.134you don't look like you00:10:17.173 --> 00:10:18.073enjoy what you're doing.00:10:19.835 --> 00:10:21.296And I always tell students,00:10:21.355 --> 00:10:22.636this one important thing is,00:10:22.677 --> 00:10:23.956is that your patients will00:10:24.116 --> 00:10:26.739always some patients,00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.220especially the patients that I work with.00:10:28.299 --> 00:10:30.081I work primarily with00:10:30.140 --> 00:10:32.241patients with neurological conditions,00:10:32.282 --> 00:10:32.481right?00:10:32.501 --> 00:10:32.601So,00:10:33.442 --> 00:10:35.503these patients have like this extra sense.00:10:35.783 --> 00:10:36.403I'm going to say that00:10:36.423 --> 00:10:38.024because whoever says that's trash,00:10:38.065 --> 00:10:39.025whatever, good for you.00:10:39.546 --> 00:10:40.927But I feel like they have00:10:40.966 --> 00:10:41.927this extra sense.00:10:41.986 --> 00:10:43.427They can tell when you're having a bad day,00:10:43.447 --> 00:10:44.889a good day, you know,00:10:44.969 --> 00:10:47.691when you're just tired or whatever.00:10:48.371 --> 00:10:49.532And just out of the blue,00:10:49.572 --> 00:10:50.633they'll say something that00:10:50.753 --> 00:10:52.014clicks and you're like, shoot,00:10:52.433 --> 00:10:52.894let me get my,00:10:52.913 --> 00:10:54.775let me get my shit together.00:10:55.316 --> 00:10:57.057But it's one of those things00:10:57.136 --> 00:10:58.477that you have to,00:10:58.865 --> 00:11:00.489You have to be mindful of00:11:00.568 --> 00:11:02.052how you're present in front of patients.00:11:02.273 --> 00:11:03.716It really does make a difference.00:11:04.798 --> 00:11:07.078I heard a story and this had00:11:07.119 --> 00:11:08.460to do with the patient in a coma,00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.221but I mean, the story just resonated.00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:11.880And it was a guest speaker00:11:11.900 --> 00:11:13.461when I was in PT school and00:11:13.501 --> 00:11:14.461she was working on a neuro00:11:14.542 --> 00:11:15.903unit and the person was in a coma.00:11:16.702 --> 00:11:18.183And then six months goes by00:11:18.224 --> 00:11:19.865and she's somewhere else in the hospital.00:11:19.904 --> 00:11:21.625She's inpatient and someone00:11:21.666 --> 00:11:23.486sort of stops and gives her this look.00:11:23.927 --> 00:11:24.767And she's like, what?00:11:25.067 --> 00:11:25.807And she was like,00:11:26.028 --> 00:11:27.227she didn't recognize the patient,00:11:27.727 --> 00:11:28.489but it was the patient that00:11:28.528 --> 00:11:29.048was in a coma.00:11:29.089 --> 00:11:29.568And she was like,00:11:29.970 --> 00:11:31.149you would just talk to me.00:11:31.649 --> 00:11:33.051And she's like, I heard all of it.00:11:33.894 --> 00:11:35.173and like chills like even00:11:35.215 --> 00:11:36.475now like right now like00:11:36.514 --> 00:11:38.216chills like so like be00:11:38.275 --> 00:11:39.115mindful of what you're00:11:39.135 --> 00:11:39.956saying when the patient's00:11:40.216 --> 00:11:41.376in a coma but also while00:11:41.397 --> 00:11:44.177they're awake like like the00:11:44.278 --> 00:11:45.217little things are the big00:11:45.258 --> 00:11:46.658things eye contact this is00:11:46.698 --> 00:11:47.599not just for patient care00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:48.839this is for life and kids00:11:48.899 --> 00:11:49.960and relationships and our00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:51.799friends is like eye contact00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:53.321do you seem present am I00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:54.321talking to metho right now00:11:54.341 --> 00:11:55.142and I'm just like yeah00:11:55.162 --> 00:11:56.001uh-huh I'm checking my00:11:56.022 --> 00:11:57.582phone right yeah keep going00:11:57.623 --> 00:11:58.423keep going like00:11:59.062 --> 00:12:00.144those things matter.00:12:00.183 --> 00:12:02.105But like when cookie, her name was cookie.00:12:02.144 --> 00:12:04.307She was one of my first guests, 1200,00:12:04.307 --> 00:12:05.0671300 episodes ago.00:12:05.467 --> 00:12:07.548She told that story in class.00:12:07.568 --> 00:12:08.909And she was like, I saw that, you know,00:12:08.929 --> 00:12:09.971now she's in the inpatient00:12:10.030 --> 00:12:11.812or outpatient gym in the hospital.00:12:11.871 --> 00:12:13.894And she's like, she's there in the, in the,00:12:14.014 --> 00:12:14.975in the parallel bars.00:12:15.014 --> 00:12:16.855And she's like, you were that voice.00:12:16.916 --> 00:12:17.976I recognize that voice.00:12:18.017 --> 00:12:19.317Cause again, when we was in a coma,00:12:19.817 --> 00:12:20.899I recognize you talk to me00:12:20.938 --> 00:12:22.000about basketball.00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.681You tell me what happened last night.00:12:23.721 --> 00:12:24.140And she's like,00:12:24.520 --> 00:12:25.341imagine that was your only00:12:25.402 --> 00:12:26.623stimulation for the day.00:12:28.322 --> 00:12:28.662Wow.00:12:29.162 --> 00:12:34.605I mean, 23 years I've been doing this.00:12:34.904 --> 00:12:35.826Have you really?00:12:35.846 --> 00:12:37.066Oh, absolutely, man.00:12:38.187 --> 00:12:39.148It's one of those things.00:12:39.447 --> 00:12:41.489You'll be surprised at00:12:41.528 --> 00:12:42.928things that you hear people00:12:42.990 --> 00:12:44.570say after the fact that you00:12:44.610 --> 00:12:46.270don't even recognize you're doing.00:12:46.870 --> 00:12:47.971And it resonates with them00:12:48.032 --> 00:12:49.153in such a meaningful way.00:12:51.073 --> 00:12:51.514It's insane.00:12:52.975 --> 00:12:53.575So you said you've been00:12:53.595 --> 00:12:54.936doing this for 23 years.00:12:56.917 --> 00:12:57.356Good for you.00:12:58.860 --> 00:13:00.280Did you not like it or were00:13:00.321 --> 00:13:01.302you uncomfortable?00:13:01.361 --> 00:13:02.383Like when those people said00:13:02.423 --> 00:13:04.004you look like you don't even like this,00:13:04.464 --> 00:13:05.845where do they write that you do?00:13:06.044 --> 00:13:06.966Well, here's the thing, man.00:13:07.285 --> 00:13:07.946If I'm playing,00:13:08.246 --> 00:13:09.727I play beer league men's hockey.00:13:09.827 --> 00:13:10.727I got a game tonight.00:13:10.869 --> 00:13:12.970If I am playing poorly or00:13:13.009 --> 00:13:13.971I'm getting my ass kicked00:13:13.990 --> 00:13:15.591or I feel like I don't belong there.00:13:15.611 --> 00:13:16.533Right.00:13:16.692 --> 00:13:17.873I look like I don't like it either,00:13:17.913 --> 00:13:19.153but I want to like it.00:13:19.475 --> 00:13:20.735So was it that you didn't00:13:20.796 --> 00:13:21.895like it or you were you00:13:21.956 --> 00:13:22.976felt you were bad at it?00:13:22.996 --> 00:13:24.258Because I can resonate with that, man.00:13:24.298 --> 00:13:25.719I felt like all thumbs in the clinic.00:13:26.667 --> 00:13:28.567Well, yeah, I think that's what it was,00:13:28.648 --> 00:13:28.888though.00:13:29.568 --> 00:13:31.370I felt like I did not know00:13:31.409 --> 00:13:32.269what I was doing.00:13:32.870 --> 00:13:34.131So you imagine playing.00:13:34.511 --> 00:13:36.513You get out there to play hockey,00:13:36.633 --> 00:13:38.714and you have roller skates on.00:13:38.995 --> 00:13:39.274Yes.00:13:39.534 --> 00:13:43.017And you're there in the rink,00:13:43.596 --> 00:13:44.577and you're out there,00:13:44.658 --> 00:13:46.119and you've got your roller skates on.00:13:46.139 --> 00:13:47.000You've got your pads on.00:13:47.019 --> 00:13:47.799You've got everything that00:13:47.820 --> 00:13:48.541you need to play,00:13:48.581 --> 00:13:49.780but you're playing in roller skates.00:13:50.182 --> 00:13:50.402Right.00:13:50.442 --> 00:13:50.601Yes.00:13:51.158 --> 00:13:51.298you,00:13:51.457 --> 00:13:52.859you just haven't figured out00:13:53.278 --> 00:13:54.619rollerblades probably better,00:13:54.658 --> 00:13:58.341but you know, like if, if you don't,00:13:59.061 --> 00:14:00.321you don't know how to use00:14:00.341 --> 00:14:01.522your equipment effectively,00:14:02.302 --> 00:14:03.701then it doesn't matter.00:14:04.363 --> 00:14:04.623Right.00:14:04.663 --> 00:14:06.984Like you won't get your,00:14:07.004 --> 00:14:08.823you won't be able to get up to speed.00:14:09.283 --> 00:14:11.184You'll just be Josh, you know,00:14:11.225 --> 00:14:13.405sloshed around the rink all day long.00:14:13.525 --> 00:14:13.785Yeah.00:14:13.966 --> 00:14:15.307I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm here.00:14:15.447 --> 00:14:16.147I'm dressed up.00:14:17.216 --> 00:14:18.277which means I keep showing up,00:14:18.317 --> 00:14:19.878which means I have a desire00:14:19.937 --> 00:14:21.479to be better at this.00:14:22.438 --> 00:14:23.740But the worst person to ask00:14:23.779 --> 00:14:24.961how to improve is yourself00:14:24.980 --> 00:14:26.682because if you knew you'd do it,00:14:26.741 --> 00:14:29.043that's where I think it00:14:29.143 --> 00:14:30.083might look like a lazy00:14:30.124 --> 00:14:31.264thing by telling your manager,00:14:31.284 --> 00:14:33.446this is your fault or this is part,00:14:33.466 --> 00:14:33.625you know.00:14:34.269 --> 00:14:35.028but they're sort of right00:14:35.090 --> 00:14:36.129it's like the it's when00:14:36.169 --> 00:14:37.331people tell other people to00:14:37.370 --> 00:14:38.270pull themselves up by the00:14:38.311 --> 00:14:39.432bootstraps that's not00:14:39.451 --> 00:14:40.331possible that's not how00:14:40.352 --> 00:14:41.852that works you can't ask a00:14:41.913 --> 00:14:43.333drowning person to save00:14:43.374 --> 00:14:44.095themselves they would have00:14:44.115 --> 00:14:45.014done it if they had the00:14:45.075 --> 00:14:46.275ability or the knowledge00:14:46.316 --> 00:14:46.916they would have done it00:14:46.975 --> 00:14:48.697already and and that's00:14:48.756 --> 00:14:50.317exactly it but I and I00:14:50.378 --> 00:14:53.440think also in that it was I00:14:53.460 --> 00:14:54.320don't know I think I'm00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.221pretty insane at that point00:14:56.402 --> 00:14:57.402you can say that because I00:14:57.701 --> 00:14:58.663i think about myself but00:15:00.110 --> 00:15:02.951It really does make a00:15:03.171 --> 00:15:04.870difference in terms of00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:07.932pointing that out early.00:15:08.011 --> 00:15:09.131There are people around you00:15:09.172 --> 00:15:10.592that know that you suck.00:15:11.533 --> 00:15:14.373And should they say something to you?00:15:14.413 --> 00:15:16.254I remember the speech therapist one time.00:15:16.933 --> 00:15:18.134We have a brain injury patient.00:15:18.193 --> 00:15:19.394I'm like, that guy's independent.00:15:19.414 --> 00:15:20.695He can walk up and down the hallway.00:15:20.735 --> 00:15:21.434But she's like,00:15:21.894 --> 00:15:22.735you can't even order a00:15:22.794 --> 00:15:23.796hamburger at McDonald's.00:15:23.836 --> 00:15:24.995How can you call him independent?00:15:25.035 --> 00:15:25.916And the thing was,00:15:26.716 --> 00:15:28.216it's just understanding the00:15:28.277 --> 00:15:29.297pieces of the puzzle.00:15:30.092 --> 00:15:32.793Not that you're dumb or whatever.00:15:32.833 --> 00:15:33.695It's just you don't00:15:33.794 --> 00:15:34.595understand the pieces of00:15:34.615 --> 00:15:35.916the puzzle and who's there00:15:35.936 --> 00:15:36.816to show it to you.00:15:37.096 --> 00:15:40.437And, you know, because of that,00:15:41.057 --> 00:15:42.337when I became a manager and00:15:42.357 --> 00:15:45.440I started managing teams of people,00:15:45.500 --> 00:15:47.360that became very important,00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:48.341especially as new grads00:15:48.380 --> 00:15:50.422that I brought in to spend time with.00:15:51.601 --> 00:15:52.982They can hide out really easily.00:15:53.383 --> 00:15:54.523Yeah.00:15:54.582 --> 00:15:57.083Nobody wants them to treat, you know,00:15:57.125 --> 00:15:58.245wants them to treat themselves.00:15:58.799 --> 00:15:59.841Well, now that you're a manager,00:15:59.880 --> 00:16:01.120now that it's, I mean,00:16:01.162 --> 00:16:03.123who better than somebody who's been there,00:16:03.722 --> 00:16:05.864who's sucked and now is like, okay,00:16:05.904 --> 00:16:07.304now I don't suck, right?00:16:09.167 --> 00:16:09.986What do you look for?00:16:10.067 --> 00:16:11.528What have you put in place?00:16:11.548 --> 00:16:11.687Like,00:16:11.707 --> 00:16:13.308do you have really good conversations00:16:13.649 --> 00:16:14.970on day zero and go, hey,00:16:15.009 --> 00:16:15.671when you're locked, like,00:16:15.770 --> 00:16:16.770what do you do to prevent00:16:16.811 --> 00:16:18.773that from that happening to someone else?00:16:19.913 --> 00:16:20.092Well,00:16:20.173 --> 00:16:22.335I think that it boils down to the charge,00:16:22.615 --> 00:16:22.835right?00:16:23.254 --> 00:16:25.557One of the things that,00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:27.020that Karen told me.00:16:27.061 --> 00:16:28.402And I think this was kind of00:16:28.581 --> 00:16:30.241one of those things that to00:16:30.341 --> 00:16:32.361get into the culture of some hospitals,00:16:32.461 --> 00:16:33.403it's a little difficult00:16:33.923 --> 00:16:35.342because some hospitals, they,00:16:35.462 --> 00:16:38.984they tend to, um, you know, it's,00:16:39.344 --> 00:16:40.323you know, they, they say they,00:16:40.443 --> 00:16:41.283there's a saying that00:16:41.344 --> 00:16:42.424nurses eat the young, right.00:16:42.504 --> 00:16:43.004They're young.00:16:43.705 --> 00:16:44.945Um, some,00:16:45.085 --> 00:16:47.365sometimes the larger the hospital,00:16:47.385 --> 00:16:48.505the larger the institution,00:16:48.546 --> 00:16:49.865sometimes the effort is00:16:49.905 --> 00:16:51.386spent towards people they already know,00:16:51.567 --> 00:16:51.767right.00:16:52.147 --> 00:16:52.687Nurses want,00:16:53.068 --> 00:16:53.909the therapist that they know00:16:53.970 --> 00:16:54.830touching their patients.00:16:54.970 --> 00:16:56.871But if you're the new guy, they're like,00:16:56.951 --> 00:16:57.792don't touch my patient.00:16:57.812 --> 00:16:59.293I don't know you.00:17:00.494 --> 00:17:02.595But I think a large part of00:17:02.615 --> 00:17:03.716that has to do with00:17:04.336 --> 00:17:05.156bringing people to the00:17:05.196 --> 00:17:06.278understanding that you're00:17:06.317 --> 00:17:08.880not here for you.00:17:09.059 --> 00:17:10.580You're here for that person00:17:10.621 --> 00:17:12.261in your life that if they00:17:12.301 --> 00:17:15.384called you right now and, you know,00:17:15.463 --> 00:17:17.025if you can visualize who that person is,00:17:17.045 --> 00:17:18.405you can smell who that person is,00:17:19.266 --> 00:17:19.507you know,00:17:19.606 --> 00:17:21.228hear their voice in your ear right now.00:17:21.587 --> 00:17:22.749And they called you right now.00:17:23.262 --> 00:17:24.104and said, Jimmy,00:17:24.163 --> 00:17:25.403I need you to come right now,00:17:25.904 --> 00:17:27.144you would shut off the00:17:27.184 --> 00:17:28.826podcast equipment and you00:17:28.846 --> 00:17:29.886would be out that door, right?00:17:30.287 --> 00:17:31.688And when you think about that person,00:17:32.127 --> 00:17:33.028every patient that walks00:17:33.108 --> 00:17:35.190into that door is exactly00:17:35.230 --> 00:17:36.330who that person is.00:17:36.530 --> 00:17:38.471And ultimately, that is our charge.00:17:38.491 --> 00:17:39.472That's who we're working with.00:17:39.512 --> 00:17:41.253So you would put in extra00:17:41.354 --> 00:17:42.414effort for that person in00:17:42.454 --> 00:17:44.236your life that means that much to you.00:17:44.895 --> 00:17:46.317But for some, you know,00:17:47.698 --> 00:17:49.499a random person that you don't know,00:17:49.878 --> 00:17:50.078right?00:17:50.500 --> 00:17:51.759Jimmy comes into the clinic.00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:52.760If you don't know Jimmy,00:17:53.952 --> 00:17:55.093then all you're doing is00:17:55.173 --> 00:17:57.394essentially just treating some guy,00:17:57.413 --> 00:17:58.095right?00:17:58.275 --> 00:18:00.855Just Jimmy's toe, Jimmy's shoulder.00:18:01.955 --> 00:18:02.936And he had a brain injury.00:18:03.616 --> 00:18:04.017And it,00:18:05.637 --> 00:18:07.679you just don't connect in that way.00:18:07.818 --> 00:18:09.919So it just changes everything, you know,00:18:10.819 --> 00:18:11.559it makes you want to,00:18:11.700 --> 00:18:13.221it makes you work differently and hard,00:18:13.260 --> 00:18:14.320well, harder and differently.00:18:15.080 --> 00:18:15.261Yeah.00:18:15.321 --> 00:18:17.521And, and you put things in context better,00:18:17.682 --> 00:18:18.262you know,00:18:18.643 --> 00:18:19.742you're not going to allow00:18:19.823 --> 00:18:21.463something to just fall off the plate,00:18:21.844 --> 00:18:23.684just working hard and,00:18:24.692 --> 00:18:26.073constantly working from your00:18:26.173 --> 00:18:28.594soul right um to be able to00:18:29.214 --> 00:18:30.194deliver something to00:18:30.234 --> 00:18:31.815somebody who genuinely00:18:31.855 --> 00:18:32.875needs you in this moment00:18:33.556 --> 00:18:35.096and they need you to be at00:18:35.135 --> 00:18:36.876the top of your game and00:18:37.856 --> 00:18:39.137when I started I wasn't I00:18:39.157 --> 00:18:40.617wasn't there and I told you00:18:40.738 --> 00:18:41.759I'm an audiophile right00:18:42.098 --> 00:18:44.338yeah so when I was going to00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:49.320school um my whole mission00:18:49.441 --> 00:18:51.481in life was at first to go00:18:51.521 --> 00:18:52.001to medical school00:18:52.361 --> 00:18:52.961I was like, all right,00:18:53.001 --> 00:18:54.643I'm done doing this.00:18:55.403 --> 00:18:58.566And I got the night spot on W.U.F.I.00:18:59.866 --> 00:19:01.587Yeah.00:19:01.788 --> 00:19:05.351Doing late night jazz at like one,00:19:05.451 --> 00:19:06.371two o'clock in the morning.00:19:06.431 --> 00:19:06.592Right.00:19:06.652 --> 00:19:07.491Yeah.00:19:07.632 --> 00:19:08.932And a college radio station00:19:08.972 --> 00:19:10.294on a Friday night doing00:19:10.594 --> 00:19:13.195playing the jazz that is like, I mean,00:19:13.497 --> 00:19:14.576I'm only talking to myself.00:19:14.958 --> 00:19:15.198Right.00:19:15.218 --> 00:19:15.337Right.00:19:15.967 --> 00:19:16.666So, you know,00:19:16.727 --> 00:19:18.147I'd get bored and start00:19:18.387 --> 00:19:19.228offering a million dollar00:19:19.307 --> 00:19:20.147reward or whatever.00:19:20.167 --> 00:19:24.289If anybody calls me, please talk to me.00:19:24.930 --> 00:19:28.010So my goal in life was to00:19:29.550 --> 00:19:30.411get a profession that my00:19:30.451 --> 00:19:32.231parents wanted me to have that was very,00:19:32.352 --> 00:19:33.291you know, structured.00:19:33.632 --> 00:19:35.593And they could go to their friends and say,00:19:35.752 --> 00:19:37.192look, you've got a good job.00:19:37.212 --> 00:19:40.834And then go take those funds00:19:41.095 --> 00:19:43.315and go and support my music00:19:43.355 --> 00:19:44.675production stuff so I can00:19:44.756 --> 00:19:45.756go and become like00:19:46.084 --> 00:19:47.263you know, whatever.00:19:48.045 --> 00:19:49.525And that was my thing.00:19:49.644 --> 00:19:51.066I've always been a band nerd.00:19:51.125 --> 00:19:53.346Like music was my thing always.00:19:54.547 --> 00:19:57.067And so this was all part of that thing.00:19:57.268 --> 00:19:58.847So I'm not going to medical school.00:19:59.248 --> 00:20:01.068I could go to PT school, get in,00:20:01.088 --> 00:20:01.989get out at the time it was00:20:02.009 --> 00:20:02.709a bachelor's degree.00:20:02.749 --> 00:20:03.730So, you know,00:20:03.930 --> 00:20:05.109I just had to finish this two00:20:05.150 --> 00:20:06.030years and I'm good.00:20:06.790 --> 00:20:08.030And I was lined up to go to00:20:08.070 --> 00:20:10.271music school in Orlando.00:20:10.991 --> 00:20:12.952I was, when I was, when I graduated,00:20:13.032 --> 00:20:13.452I was going to be00:20:13.734 --> 00:20:14.835done that was it all I had00:20:14.855 --> 00:20:15.976to do was work take some00:20:15.996 --> 00:20:17.796music school and then boom00:20:17.996 --> 00:20:19.675I'm gonna be you know in00:20:19.736 --> 00:20:21.017production all day every00:20:21.037 --> 00:20:24.278day and they challenged me00:20:24.298 --> 00:20:26.397and said that I suck and I00:20:26.438 --> 00:20:27.698was like I'm a competitor00:20:27.758 --> 00:20:29.419also oh yeah I'm not going00:20:29.459 --> 00:20:30.939down like that right so you00:20:30.959 --> 00:20:32.460tell me I suck and I gotta00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:33.920I gotta pick up my game00:20:33.980 --> 00:20:34.779here because I'm not gonna00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.020let that to happen and so00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:37.941that's exactly what00:20:37.980 --> 00:20:39.780happened that's exactly how00:20:39.941 --> 00:20:41.082that all went down but00:20:41.701 --> 00:20:42.662still an audiophile00:20:43.501 --> 00:20:44.001How was,00:20:44.702 --> 00:20:46.884what'd you like about being on the radio?00:20:47.325 --> 00:20:48.746It's different when you're standing there.00:20:48.846 --> 00:20:49.726I can tell you my first00:20:49.746 --> 00:20:51.166story from college radio,00:20:51.847 --> 00:20:53.568but what would you like about it?00:20:53.588 --> 00:20:55.329Because you really, you can't explain it.00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:56.171It's hard to explain to00:20:56.211 --> 00:20:56.990people who haven't done it.00:20:58.192 --> 00:21:01.074Well, I started out DJing in high school,00:21:01.114 --> 00:21:01.294right?00:21:01.433 --> 00:21:04.536So we would DJ parties and all that stuff.00:21:04.557 --> 00:21:07.038Like I loved that part of it.00:21:07.137 --> 00:21:08.719My crew and I would get out00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.180there and go DJ parties and00:21:10.220 --> 00:21:10.961everything was lovely.00:21:11.686 --> 00:21:13.406And then I finally got the00:21:13.467 --> 00:21:14.667nod to get into the radio00:21:14.708 --> 00:21:15.627station and I was like,00:21:16.548 --> 00:21:17.407I'm going to be the next00:21:17.468 --> 00:21:19.608big thing in my life.00:21:19.628 --> 00:21:20.528We're going to sign up and00:21:20.548 --> 00:21:21.729then you get that 1200:21:21.729 --> 00:21:22.989o'clock spot because that's00:21:23.028 --> 00:21:24.069the only one and you're the00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:25.829new guy and it was better00:21:25.849 --> 00:21:27.170than opening records from00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:30.871the record labels and then I was like,00:21:31.111 --> 00:21:31.431fuck.00:21:31.790 --> 00:21:32.711I had the whole,00:21:32.730 --> 00:21:34.811I had the mixing boards that I wanted.00:21:34.852 --> 00:21:36.852I had the reels and the00:21:36.912 --> 00:21:37.971drops and I had all this00:21:38.031 --> 00:21:40.772stuff that I had access to and00:21:41.229 --> 00:21:41.669At the time,00:21:41.729 --> 00:21:43.471I used to listen to a lot of talk radio.00:21:43.530 --> 00:21:45.592So it was like, okay, this is great.00:21:46.031 --> 00:21:47.173I can do my own thing.00:21:47.232 --> 00:21:48.534But again,00:21:48.814 --> 00:21:50.976little knowledge and a lot of access.00:21:50.996 --> 00:21:52.656You don't know how to make it work.00:21:53.076 --> 00:21:57.299So what I could have done in hindsight,00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.842you know, could have been great.00:22:02.603 --> 00:22:03.384It's simple.00:22:03.604 --> 00:22:04.765It's simple, but not easy.00:22:04.904 --> 00:22:08.007The first time I was in upstate, up, up,00:22:08.207 --> 00:22:09.107up, western New York.00:22:10.084 --> 00:22:11.204knowing that the there were00:22:11.325 --> 00:22:12.244six people listening00:22:12.305 --> 00:22:13.486because they were my my00:22:13.846 --> 00:22:14.727people that lived on my00:22:14.767 --> 00:22:17.028floor my six buddies that's00:22:17.188 --> 00:22:19.128it uh it was a two it was00:22:19.189 --> 00:22:20.410two we did two hours so it00:22:20.430 --> 00:22:21.190was two to four in the00:22:21.230 --> 00:22:22.270morning on a wednesday it00:22:22.290 --> 00:22:23.290was a weekday two to four00:22:23.310 --> 00:22:24.112in the morning not even a00:22:24.132 --> 00:22:24.652night when people were00:22:24.692 --> 00:22:25.511going out from coming back00:22:25.531 --> 00:22:26.553from the bar no one's00:22:26.593 --> 00:22:30.295listening and yet I was00:22:30.355 --> 00:22:32.375like the I am the entire00:22:32.415 --> 00:22:33.797radio station for two hours00:22:34.156 --> 00:22:35.597I was like I can do this00:22:36.298 --> 00:22:38.479So I think I remember when you get there,00:22:38.838 --> 00:22:40.240the last guy is playing his00:22:40.299 --> 00:22:40.920song or whatever.00:22:40.940 --> 00:22:41.980He's like, hey, man, that's my last song.00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.040When this is over, you're up.00:22:43.181 --> 00:22:44.060Where's your first song?00:22:44.101 --> 00:22:44.740Whatever, put it in.00:22:45.161 --> 00:22:46.162I play my first song.00:22:46.461 --> 00:22:47.582In between my first and my second,00:22:47.602 --> 00:22:48.063I'm going to turn the00:22:48.083 --> 00:22:49.222microphone on for the first time.00:22:50.323 --> 00:22:51.564And I know what button to hit.00:22:51.584 --> 00:22:53.805But now you're thinking your00:22:53.904 --> 00:22:55.605whole life is led up to this moment.00:22:56.486 --> 00:22:57.066I did the morning00:22:57.086 --> 00:22:58.326announcements in sixth grade,00:22:58.385 --> 00:22:59.247and I just loved it.00:22:59.287 --> 00:23:00.507And then I DJed a little bit.00:23:00.826 --> 00:23:01.988My brother did more of the DJing.00:23:02.008 --> 00:23:03.387I did more of the talking at00:23:03.428 --> 00:23:04.588parties and stuff like that.00:23:05.651 --> 00:23:07.713And I did my first mic break.00:23:07.933 --> 00:23:09.376I don't remember what song I came out over,00:23:09.396 --> 00:23:10.900went into, but said something,00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:12.863probably nothing good and00:23:12.923 --> 00:23:14.306push play on the second song.00:23:14.546 --> 00:23:15.326And I went to the,00:23:15.428 --> 00:23:17.951I ran down the hall and vomited and,00:23:19.703 --> 00:23:21.165splash some water back in my mouth,00:23:21.205 --> 00:23:22.346do the real quick thing and00:23:22.366 --> 00:23:23.107then ran back.00:23:23.147 --> 00:23:26.050And I was like, because someone could,00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:26.791you could say it was00:23:26.811 --> 00:23:28.594because I was nervous and I was,00:23:28.634 --> 00:23:30.655but it was like, because I cared so much,00:23:31.336 --> 00:23:32.237it was like all this00:23:32.337 --> 00:23:33.878pressure on one thing and00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:35.580it literally came out.00:23:35.760 --> 00:23:37.303But as soon as I was done, I was like,00:23:37.323 --> 00:23:37.782okay,00:23:38.443 --> 00:23:39.404I didn't say anything about it on00:23:39.424 --> 00:23:39.664the air.00:23:39.704 --> 00:23:40.266So no one knew.00:23:40.286 --> 00:23:40.365Yeah.00:23:42.288 --> 00:23:42.428Well,00:23:42.448 --> 00:23:43.669the six people would have found out00:23:43.709 --> 00:23:44.509eventually.00:23:45.009 --> 00:23:46.611But it came out and I was like, okay,00:23:46.851 --> 00:23:47.811we got past that.00:23:47.892 --> 00:23:49.093Let's play song three.00:23:49.212 --> 00:23:49.853And then let's think of00:23:49.893 --> 00:23:50.653something funny to say00:23:50.693 --> 00:23:51.994between song three and four.00:23:52.815 --> 00:23:54.316And, but that,00:23:54.435 --> 00:23:55.797if that isn't a parallel00:23:56.637 --> 00:23:57.838between what you were talking about,00:23:57.878 --> 00:24:00.279which is like, I'm not good at this,00:24:00.381 --> 00:24:01.740but I really want to be.00:24:01.862 --> 00:24:03.082So I'm willing to suck,00:24:04.202 --> 00:24:05.544but I need people to talk00:24:05.604 --> 00:24:06.984to and help me suck.00:24:07.125 --> 00:24:08.306And you have to be, you have to be like,00:24:08.445 --> 00:24:10.607I'm willing to say I'm Jimmy and I'm,00:24:10.847 --> 00:24:11.147I suck.00:24:13.275 --> 00:24:14.974in a week or a month or six00:24:15.015 --> 00:24:16.336months I don't want to suck00:24:16.375 --> 00:24:18.037as bad as this and then00:24:18.257 --> 00:24:19.196when do you get good I00:24:19.217 --> 00:24:21.198don't know somewhere along00:24:21.218 --> 00:24:22.298the lines and then the00:24:22.337 --> 00:24:23.479really really great people00:24:23.598 --> 00:24:24.739never stop trying to be a00:24:24.798 --> 00:24:26.319little better and it sounds00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:27.200simple but it's not00:24:28.101 --> 00:24:29.540absolutely but but see like00:24:29.580 --> 00:24:31.261you said um you know I had00:24:31.301 --> 00:24:31.922a conversation with00:24:31.942 --> 00:24:32.722somebody the other day and00:24:32.762 --> 00:24:33.682we were talking about00:24:34.602 --> 00:24:36.522You strive towards getting00:24:36.603 --> 00:24:38.442to that level of perfection,00:24:38.583 --> 00:24:39.242even though you know you're00:24:39.262 --> 00:24:39.982not going to get there.00:24:40.123 --> 00:24:41.483Yes, it is a target.00:24:42.163 --> 00:24:45.125You kind of work towards that level,00:24:45.164 --> 00:24:45.924and you're constantly00:24:45.964 --> 00:24:47.144evolving in that process00:24:47.164 --> 00:24:47.925and learning in that00:24:47.986 --> 00:24:50.425process and reading through00:24:50.726 --> 00:24:52.727and challenging your own00:24:52.866 --> 00:24:53.926ideas and thoughts.00:24:54.646 --> 00:24:57.008And as you evolve in that,00:24:57.028 --> 00:25:00.388you just get better, I guess.00:25:01.104 --> 00:25:02.545because you're hoping that00:25:02.585 --> 00:25:04.144people aren't sitting behind you saying,00:25:04.285 --> 00:25:05.385oh, this sucks.00:25:05.925 --> 00:25:06.145Yeah,00:25:06.266 --> 00:25:08.346I think it's when I stopped focusing00:25:08.386 --> 00:25:09.487on how bad I was and00:25:09.547 --> 00:25:10.866focused on what's one thing00:25:10.946 --> 00:25:13.508I can do better now that I00:25:13.548 --> 00:25:14.709didn't do 15 minutes ago00:25:14.828 --> 00:25:16.489and just focus on that one thing.00:25:17.009 --> 00:25:18.390And when you focus on that,00:25:18.509 --> 00:25:20.090it's less focusing on how00:25:20.171 --> 00:25:21.330bad I am right now.00:25:22.171 --> 00:25:23.192And then you realize when00:25:23.211 --> 00:25:24.791you're not focusing on how00:25:24.912 --> 00:25:26.633awkward I probably sound or whatever,00:25:26.673 --> 00:25:27.532you're like, okay,00:25:27.573 --> 00:25:28.753do this one thing well.00:25:29.760 --> 00:25:30.461That's the trick.00:25:30.661 --> 00:25:32.561The trick is to don't focus00:25:32.642 --> 00:25:34.021on how wobbly the bike is.00:25:34.122 --> 00:25:35.383Focus on 10 feet in front of00:25:35.423 --> 00:25:35.863you and be like, OK,00:25:35.903 --> 00:25:36.722I got to get to 10 feet00:25:37.103 --> 00:25:38.003because my previous records00:25:38.064 --> 00:25:39.324five feet before I fell over.00:25:39.443 --> 00:25:41.204And like that's as dumb as it sounds.00:25:41.644 --> 00:25:42.565That's actually it.00:25:42.664 --> 00:25:44.286Like that's that's the life hack.00:25:44.326 --> 00:25:45.506That's that's the trick.00:25:46.486 --> 00:25:46.926That is it.00:25:47.086 --> 00:25:47.946So just curious,00:25:48.686 --> 00:25:49.887what kind of music did you00:25:49.907 --> 00:25:51.167play on that that station?00:25:51.980 --> 00:25:52.680College station,00:25:53.101 --> 00:25:54.040you play whatever you want.00:25:54.280 --> 00:25:56.663I mainly play college radio station.00:25:57.403 --> 00:25:58.243And a lot of college radio00:25:58.263 --> 00:26:01.246stations will require classical or jazz.00:26:01.806 --> 00:26:03.086This, we were in the middle of nowhere.00:26:03.467 --> 00:26:04.847So I think the local community was like,00:26:04.907 --> 00:26:05.307whatever.00:26:05.648 --> 00:26:06.588So we played anything.00:26:06.648 --> 00:26:09.651So at any given time during the day, WSBU,00:26:09.651 --> 00:26:10.51188.3 WSBU, the buzz.00:26:13.354 --> 00:26:14.834you might get metal for two00:26:14.875 --> 00:26:16.115hours or then you might get00:26:16.234 --> 00:26:17.575pop for two hours and then00:26:17.615 --> 00:26:18.836you might get what it was sort of like,00:26:19.016 --> 00:26:19.996it was cool because you00:26:20.056 --> 00:26:20.756didn't really know.00:26:20.855 --> 00:26:21.717It was really like,00:26:21.916 --> 00:26:23.537it was an iPod before iPods00:26:23.596 --> 00:26:24.396came out where it was like,00:26:24.498 --> 00:26:25.478I don't know what's going to happen.00:26:26.377 --> 00:26:28.199Um, and then I worked in,00:26:28.598 --> 00:26:30.439then I did an internship at 92,00:26:30.439 --> 00:26:31.960three K rock New York where00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:32.880Howard Stern was a,00:26:33.700 --> 00:26:34.760a little bit of a personality.00:26:35.101 --> 00:26:36.361And that was his last summer00:26:36.421 --> 00:26:37.561of terrestrial radio before00:26:37.582 --> 00:26:38.261he went to XM.00:26:39.232 --> 00:26:41.074So he had zero Fs.00:26:41.453 --> 00:26:42.615He didn't care at all.00:26:42.694 --> 00:26:43.976He knew where he was going next.00:26:44.115 --> 00:26:45.516So he was like burning bridges.00:26:45.536 --> 00:26:46.497So it was kind of fun to00:26:46.537 --> 00:26:48.198watch the ship explode a little bit,00:26:49.038 --> 00:26:49.759but I was the intern.00:26:49.778 --> 00:26:51.298So he, he treated us really well.00:26:51.318 --> 00:26:52.519We got treated well by the station.00:26:52.539 --> 00:26:53.279Cause they were like, well,00:26:53.861 --> 00:26:55.662you're free labor, but you're, you know,00:26:55.862 --> 00:26:57.403we don't, we didn't treat us poorly.00:26:58.042 --> 00:26:58.702And then I worked in,00:26:58.803 --> 00:26:59.844I worked mainly in rock or00:26:59.884 --> 00:27:00.983alternative rock radio,00:27:01.023 --> 00:27:01.505but that was what I00:27:01.545 --> 00:27:02.325listened to when I grew up.00:27:02.684 --> 00:27:03.526I got to work for my00:27:03.546 --> 00:27:05.366hometown radio station at age 12 and,00:27:06.933 --> 00:27:08.535This station signed on.00:27:08.974 --> 00:27:12.756I heard Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit.00:27:13.076 --> 00:27:14.136And on the radio,00:27:14.156 --> 00:27:14.896I heard that for the first00:27:14.936 --> 00:27:16.137time from the station.00:27:16.637 --> 00:27:19.058Fast forward eight years or six,00:27:19.239 --> 00:27:21.200seven years, I'm on that station.00:27:21.579 --> 00:27:24.060My friends were like, for half a second,00:27:24.141 --> 00:27:25.422I was cool because my friends were like,00:27:25.481 --> 00:27:27.021you got a job on our station?00:27:27.041 --> 00:27:29.423I'm like, yeah, midnight to 6 a.m.00:27:29.742 --> 00:27:30.983on Saturdays and Sundays.00:27:31.463 --> 00:27:33.464It didn't matter because I was like,00:27:34.305 --> 00:27:34.965I'm in the door.00:27:35.006 --> 00:27:35.705I got a chance.00:27:36.686 --> 00:27:37.307And then you start to00:27:37.326 --> 00:27:38.507process all over again00:27:38.527 --> 00:27:41.347because now you're the crappiest guy.00:27:41.367 --> 00:27:42.608You go from being the guy00:27:42.648 --> 00:27:43.788vomiting to being the best00:27:43.828 --> 00:27:45.148guy on the college radio station.00:27:45.509 --> 00:27:46.670And then you get hired and00:27:46.809 --> 00:27:48.309instantly you're the weakest link.00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:50.790And then you move to a new station.00:27:50.971 --> 00:27:52.191And I got news for you, everybody.00:27:52.770 --> 00:27:53.790This is sort of life.00:27:54.050 --> 00:27:56.751Because you don't want to be00:27:56.951 --> 00:27:58.272the biggest or best fish in00:27:58.292 --> 00:27:58.972the smallest pond.00:27:58.992 --> 00:28:01.953You want to find bigger00:28:02.114 --> 00:28:03.253lakes or seas or oceans.00:28:04.332 --> 00:28:05.573But you've got to go back to00:28:05.613 --> 00:28:06.753being the novice.00:28:07.534 --> 00:28:08.055Absolutely.00:28:08.414 --> 00:28:09.194Over and over again.00:28:09.214 --> 00:28:12.337That's the skill of that00:28:12.397 --> 00:28:13.778whole learning process, too.00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:16.961You're constantly evolving to get better.00:28:17.401 --> 00:28:18.321Learning is a skill.00:28:18.541 --> 00:28:19.122It is a skill.00:28:19.142 --> 00:28:19.843That is a skill.00:28:20.282 --> 00:28:21.624And you have to be open to00:28:21.864 --> 00:28:23.164recognizing the fact that00:28:23.986 --> 00:28:25.467you may not have all the answers.00:28:25.527 --> 00:28:26.468And being okay with that.00:28:27.788 --> 00:28:28.548I don't know what I'm doing.00:28:29.263 --> 00:28:30.223Show me where I need to go.00:28:30.285 --> 00:28:31.224Show me what I need to do.00:28:31.285 --> 00:28:32.405But not hiding from it,00:28:32.465 --> 00:28:33.705which I've been guilty and00:28:34.467 --> 00:28:35.686because that's the last thing.00:28:35.926 --> 00:28:36.867My dad was a New York City00:28:36.907 --> 00:28:38.449fireman and he would tell me he's like,00:28:38.868 --> 00:28:39.689we're taught when we go00:28:39.709 --> 00:28:41.710into a apartment fire,00:28:42.931 --> 00:28:44.471if we see toys or anything,00:28:44.571 --> 00:28:45.652he's like that our mindset00:28:45.791 --> 00:28:46.913all of a sudden switches00:28:47.492 --> 00:28:48.933because kids are programmed to hide.00:28:49.594 --> 00:28:51.215So fire is scary, and I hide.00:28:51.276 --> 00:28:53.557So he was like, the question was always,00:28:54.318 --> 00:28:55.019do kids live here?00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:55.900And if the answer is yes,00:28:56.441 --> 00:28:57.362it changed how they00:28:57.422 --> 00:28:58.282searched the apartment00:28:58.462 --> 00:28:59.844because now they looked under every bed,00:29:00.484 --> 00:29:02.467in every toy box, in every closet,00:29:02.567 --> 00:29:03.288in every bathtub.00:29:03.488 --> 00:29:05.369Adults didn't do that for00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:06.451some reason because adults are like,00:29:06.471 --> 00:29:06.892get away.00:29:07.192 --> 00:29:07.972But kids hide.00:29:07.992 --> 00:29:08.093Right.00:29:09.096 --> 00:29:10.196I think that's a pattern00:29:10.497 --> 00:29:11.356when we get into scary00:29:11.396 --> 00:29:12.678situations that we hide.00:29:12.718 --> 00:29:14.519And I've been guilty of that myself,00:29:14.919 --> 00:29:16.000even as an adult.00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.161I mean, it's fight, flight, or freeze.00:29:19.381 --> 00:29:23.723And sometimes freeze is hide.00:29:24.104 --> 00:29:25.865And that can be the00:29:25.904 --> 00:29:27.826detriment to ourself or our patients.00:29:28.405 --> 00:29:29.405But there's a way out of it.00:29:29.547 --> 00:29:30.666And the answer is learning it.00:29:30.987 --> 00:29:32.307And someone being nice00:29:32.367 --> 00:29:33.429enough or good enough to be like,00:29:34.828 --> 00:29:35.890you're too smart to not be00:29:35.950 --> 00:29:37.049better than this is00:29:37.069 --> 00:29:38.090probably a good compliment.00:29:38.777 --> 00:29:39.317Absolutely.00:29:39.656 --> 00:29:41.498Absolutely.00:29:41.698 --> 00:29:43.018And just think about this.00:29:43.317 --> 00:29:44.478And I would say that to any00:29:44.518 --> 00:29:46.398new grad is that always remember too,00:29:46.439 --> 00:29:49.239that these companies are investing in you,00:29:49.578 --> 00:29:49.939right?00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:52.559You know, if you hire somebody,00:29:52.579 --> 00:29:53.799you hire a new grad or you00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.180hire anybody for that reason,00:29:55.641 --> 00:29:57.760it costs money to bring you on board.00:29:57.961 --> 00:29:58.161Right.00:29:58.721 --> 00:29:58.980All right.00:29:59.181 --> 00:30:00.741And when you start,00:30:01.061 --> 00:30:02.082they're investing in you.00:30:02.281 --> 00:30:03.442So you could tell a good00:30:03.481 --> 00:30:05.002company or bad company by00:30:05.063 --> 00:30:06.923how much time you spend in00:30:07.914 --> 00:30:09.356getting mentors or00:30:09.477 --> 00:30:10.157connecting you with00:30:10.198 --> 00:30:11.680somebody internally that00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:14.505can help put you or set you00:30:14.525 --> 00:30:15.246in the right direction.00:30:15.266 --> 00:30:16.586Cause that makes all the difference.00:30:16.647 --> 00:30:17.127It does.00:30:18.810 --> 00:30:19.612It's a, it's a,00:30:19.791 --> 00:30:20.794it's a call it's time00:30:20.854 --> 00:30:22.715effort and it is money, but, but,00:30:23.811 --> 00:30:25.373If a company isn't willing to do it,00:30:25.733 --> 00:30:26.233they're just going to00:30:26.253 --> 00:30:27.434replace you with the next person.00:30:27.654 --> 00:30:28.435And I got news for you.00:30:28.976 --> 00:30:30.436That person's going to need help too.00:30:31.117 --> 00:30:32.157And it's just going to be a00:30:32.219 --> 00:30:32.818revolving door.00:30:32.898 --> 00:30:33.219So yeah,00:30:33.239 --> 00:30:34.820the good ones always seem to have00:30:34.840 --> 00:30:35.601the magic fix.00:30:35.641 --> 00:30:37.903And the magic fix is invest in people.00:30:39.104 --> 00:30:39.604Absolutely.00:30:39.864 --> 00:30:40.444Give me the best version.00:30:40.464 --> 00:30:41.025Invest in your people.00:30:41.045 --> 00:30:42.526It'll never scare you wrong.00:30:42.906 --> 00:30:44.587Your teams make a difference00:30:44.607 --> 00:30:46.388to how well you take care of your team.00:30:47.130 --> 00:30:48.530And that just allows your00:30:48.550 --> 00:30:50.952investments to actually00:30:51.472 --> 00:30:52.554grow and grow and give back00:30:52.574 --> 00:30:53.454dividends in the long run.00:30:54.144 --> 00:30:55.484Yeah.00:30:55.565 --> 00:30:56.925So you did launch a podcast.00:30:56.986 --> 00:30:57.707Are you still doing it?00:30:57.747 --> 00:30:58.307What's it called?00:30:58.326 --> 00:30:59.647I'm still doing the podcast.00:30:59.768 --> 00:31:01.910It's called Ask with Dr.00:31:01.950 --> 00:31:04.291Hanson PT and my co-host Kyra.00:31:04.311 --> 00:31:05.292Shout out to you, Kyra.00:31:06.794 --> 00:31:08.255And essentially, you know,00:31:09.215 --> 00:31:11.397the slug liner on there is00:31:11.498 --> 00:31:12.959a little bit about PT and a00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:13.638lot about life.00:31:14.420 --> 00:31:15.661And again,00:31:15.721 --> 00:31:19.463the idea being is that we're00:31:19.503 --> 00:31:20.545really focused on00:31:21.174 --> 00:31:22.996talking about how PT00:31:23.076 --> 00:31:24.517intersects with the regular00:31:24.557 --> 00:31:28.059world and patients and00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:29.099digging deeper and then00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:30.760finding answers to, you know,00:31:30.840 --> 00:31:32.363I can tell you what a00:31:32.903 --> 00:31:35.163patient goes through after00:31:35.223 --> 00:31:36.265having a spinal cord injury,00:31:36.545 --> 00:31:37.365but here's the reality.00:31:37.806 --> 00:31:38.646If I have a patient with a00:31:38.666 --> 00:31:39.787spinal cord injury come on00:31:39.887 --> 00:31:40.887and have a conversation00:31:40.928 --> 00:31:42.128about their experiences00:31:42.548 --> 00:31:44.029working with the PTs in00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:45.892their life and in their past,00:31:46.771 --> 00:31:48.673what you'll likely get is a00:31:48.732 --> 00:31:50.914more honest conversation because00:31:51.505 --> 00:31:53.286my textbook or my experience00:31:53.445 --> 00:31:56.007is no longer as valid as00:31:56.268 --> 00:31:58.209someone's experience, uh,00:31:58.388 --> 00:32:00.789in sitting down with, uh,00:32:02.191 --> 00:32:03.371that having gone through00:32:03.391 --> 00:32:04.231that whole experience.00:32:04.311 --> 00:32:04.531Right.00:32:04.711 --> 00:32:08.854So that's kind of where that, um, podcast,00:32:08.973 --> 00:32:09.674uh, has gone.00:32:09.714 --> 00:32:12.076And so, um, quite a few patients,00:32:12.175 --> 00:32:14.237I was surprised because I was a little,00:32:14.257 --> 00:32:17.178you know, uh, reticent to ask, like,00:32:17.479 --> 00:32:17.778you know,00:32:17.858 --> 00:32:19.098the journey on this podcast thing,00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:20.039I'm trying to do things.00:32:20.511 --> 00:32:21.251like, oh no,00:32:21.311 --> 00:32:22.372I'd definitely love to have00:32:22.412 --> 00:32:23.333these conversations with00:32:23.373 --> 00:32:24.393people because I've had a00:32:24.432 --> 00:32:25.272lot of therapists that have00:32:25.313 --> 00:32:26.573sucked at that.00:32:27.354 --> 00:32:30.934That's embarrassing, but okay, go ahead.00:32:31.055 --> 00:32:32.154We're just gearing up and00:32:32.595 --> 00:32:33.694just been trying to figure00:32:33.755 --> 00:32:36.096out how to best put this thing together.00:32:36.135 --> 00:32:37.996So far, so good.00:32:38.016 --> 00:32:39.977Where are you in the process?00:32:41.376 --> 00:32:43.076We've released our,00:32:43.096 --> 00:32:45.198I want to say it's our sixth episode.00:32:46.417 --> 00:32:47.538Our sixth episode just came00:32:47.598 --> 00:32:48.939out with one of our former students,00:32:48.979 --> 00:32:49.519the formerly00:32:50.419 --> 00:32:53.344army uh veteran and now ppa00:32:53.384 --> 00:32:55.247student so uh we had a00:32:55.287 --> 00:32:56.368conversation with him and00:32:56.409 --> 00:32:58.271about his you know seven00:32:58.291 --> 00:32:59.433years in the military and00:32:59.913 --> 00:33:02.858just looking at um adding00:33:02.898 --> 00:33:04.481more to the collection I'm trying not to00:33:04.929 --> 00:33:06.950fall into that eight podcast category.00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:08.849I think it's eight or two.00:33:09.349 --> 00:33:11.530If you get to episode 10 or something,00:33:11.550 --> 00:33:12.711if you release 10,00:33:12.711 --> 00:33:14.951you are in the top 1% of podcasters,00:33:16.251 --> 00:33:17.471which just shows you... I00:33:19.153 --> 00:33:19.752needed to read the00:33:19.772 --> 00:33:21.553statistic three times because I was like,00:33:21.553 --> 00:33:22.51310?00:33:22.513 --> 00:33:24.134But I guess it's because so00:33:24.173 --> 00:33:27.595many people do one or two and then stop.00:33:27.634 --> 00:33:28.795So it means the bottom of00:33:28.835 --> 00:33:31.556that pyramid is so wide that...00:33:32.395 --> 00:33:33.936The top 1% is 10.00:33:34.616 --> 00:33:35.576But I think a lot of people,00:33:35.876 --> 00:33:37.317they do that where they00:33:37.698 --> 00:33:38.978release it and they think00:33:40.999 --> 00:33:42.459it's similar to going to the gym.00:33:42.538 --> 00:33:42.659Dude,00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:43.940I went to the gym and I was like00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.721working really hard for like an hour.00:33:46.101 --> 00:33:48.221And I went home and I didn't have abs.00:33:49.182 --> 00:33:49.882It's like there's no abs.00:33:51.055 --> 00:33:52.978And I was like, well, yes,00:33:53.597 --> 00:33:54.599but you got to stack a00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:55.942bunch of days in a row.00:33:55.961 --> 00:33:57.903I got bad news for you.00:33:57.923 --> 00:33:58.805I got bad news, good news.00:33:58.865 --> 00:34:00.426Bad news, this is going to take some time.00:34:00.728 --> 00:34:02.210The good news, if you keep up with it,00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:02.951it will work.00:34:04.025 --> 00:34:04.685So question,00:34:05.365 --> 00:34:07.228how did you get this far into00:34:07.268 --> 00:34:07.749this process?00:34:07.788 --> 00:34:07.969I mean,00:34:08.009 --> 00:34:09.469you're thousands of episodes into00:34:09.789 --> 00:34:10.952this thing.00:34:11.032 --> 00:34:11.291Yeah.00:34:11.751 --> 00:34:14.715How did you maintain that energy?00:34:15.195 --> 00:34:15.795Yeah.00:34:16.056 --> 00:34:18.659Someone gave me a compliment that,00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:20.400because I started this as a student.00:34:21.041 --> 00:34:22.202Now, I had a 15-year run-up.00:34:24.085 --> 00:34:26.085in radio before I went to PT school,00:34:26.126 --> 00:34:26.286right?00:34:26.346 --> 00:34:27.485And then I got to PT school00:34:27.525 --> 00:34:29.005and it was probably the right time.00:34:29.286 --> 00:34:30.246None of this was strategic.00:34:30.286 --> 00:34:31.027I would love to be like,00:34:31.387 --> 00:34:32.266here's my strategy.00:34:32.327 --> 00:34:33.327And it worked exactly right.00:34:33.367 --> 00:34:37.248This was all blind accident serendipity.00:34:37.768 --> 00:34:38.289So it was 2015.00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:41.009I'm a second year student00:34:41.789 --> 00:34:43.849and I don't feel like I fit.00:34:44.130 --> 00:34:44.550I feel it.00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:45.650This is why when you said I sucked,00:34:45.670 --> 00:34:46.170I was like, yes,00:34:46.311 --> 00:34:47.351I understand what that feels like.00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:49.291I liked everything in PT.00:34:49.311 --> 00:34:50.311I sort of liked everything.00:34:50.791 --> 00:34:52.373But I didn't want to invest00:34:52.393 --> 00:34:53.635my life in any of it.00:34:53.675 --> 00:34:54.876So I was like, I like everything,00:34:54.916 --> 00:34:55.717but I don't love anything.00:34:55.757 --> 00:34:57.398So I went to quit PT school.00:34:59.315 --> 00:35:00.815Now, meanwhile,00:35:01.175 --> 00:35:02.817there was a contest going on.00:35:03.016 --> 00:35:04.157And this is how dumb this is.00:35:04.177 --> 00:35:05.278There was a contest going on00:35:05.318 --> 00:35:07.119by some residency saying,00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:09.240write an essay for a thousand words.00:35:09.942 --> 00:35:12.262And first prize is a $15,00000:35:12.262 --> 00:35:13.304residency scholarship.00:35:13.724 --> 00:35:15.204I didn't want the residency00:35:15.385 --> 00:35:17.226because I was school on top of school.00:35:17.666 --> 00:35:18.407I wanted to get the hell out00:35:18.447 --> 00:35:18.987of school now.00:35:19.688 --> 00:35:20.929Second prize was a Fitbit.00:35:21.994 --> 00:35:22.673Remember Fitbit?00:35:23.235 --> 00:35:24.414My mom's birthday was coming00:35:24.534 --> 00:35:25.775up and I had no money00:35:25.795 --> 00:35:26.675because I was in school.00:35:26.835 --> 00:35:28.496So I was like, I want to win second prize.00:35:28.617 --> 00:35:30.157So I was aiming at the silver medal.00:35:30.577 --> 00:35:33.018Now, the prompt was a thousand words.00:35:33.139 --> 00:35:34.900How will you change physical therapy?00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:38.581Because it's better.00:35:38.601 --> 00:35:39.041But I was like,00:35:39.101 --> 00:35:40.262I don't want the residency00:35:40.282 --> 00:35:41.003scholarship because then I00:35:41.043 --> 00:35:42.103have to go to more school.00:35:42.603 --> 00:35:43.123Right.00:35:44.123 --> 00:35:45.545Instead of writing a thousand words,00:35:45.585 --> 00:35:46.445which was the prompt,00:35:46.585 --> 00:35:47.905I made a cartoon video.00:35:49.135 --> 00:35:50.657So I violated the rules of00:35:50.697 --> 00:35:51.918the game from number one,00:35:52.358 --> 00:35:53.079but I didn't want to win.00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:53.778I wanted second prize.00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:55.840And the idea was I had been00:35:55.900 --> 00:35:58.521to a conference weeks or months before,00:35:58.702 --> 00:35:59.722and I heard someone on00:35:59.802 --> 00:36:00.643stage or a bunch of00:36:00.684 --> 00:36:01.643speakers all day long.00:36:02.105 --> 00:36:03.144Now I'm a student coming00:36:03.184 --> 00:36:04.126into this profession,00:36:04.585 --> 00:36:05.327and I'm feeling like,00:36:05.786 --> 00:36:07.307I like the vibe of what00:36:07.327 --> 00:36:08.228this guy's talking about,00:36:08.268 --> 00:36:09.389but I don't really get everything.00:36:09.429 --> 00:36:11.070But I'm like, maybe it's me.00:36:11.550 --> 00:36:12.831So I'm just going to hide in the audience.00:36:12.851 --> 00:36:13.592I'm going to keep my mouth shut.00:36:13.632 --> 00:36:13.913No wonder.00:36:14.572 --> 00:36:16.313Two hours later, the conference is over,00:36:16.414 --> 00:36:18.476and now it's networking hour, happy hour.00:36:19.476 --> 00:36:20.697And just look up and there's00:36:20.737 --> 00:36:21.719the speaker over there.00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:22.119And I was like,00:36:22.219 --> 00:36:23.961I paid 200 bucks to come here.00:36:24.282 --> 00:36:25.202A hundred bucks or something.00:36:25.222 --> 00:36:26.625I'm like, I'm going to learn one thing.00:36:27.246 --> 00:36:28.827And I marched up to the guy and I was like,00:36:28.867 --> 00:36:29.248what's up?00:36:29.307 --> 00:36:29.789I'm Jimmy.00:36:30.208 --> 00:36:30.949Saw your presentation.00:36:30.989 --> 00:36:31.590I'm a student.00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:32.992Like, help me understand.00:36:33.472 --> 00:36:34.594And I understood his entire00:36:34.594 --> 00:36:36.19560 minute presentation in00:36:37.217 --> 00:36:38.119like 11 minutes.00:36:38.782 --> 00:36:39.443It wasn't me.00:36:39.603 --> 00:36:40.585It wasn't my fault.00:36:41.067 --> 00:36:41.626I was like, dude,00:36:41.867 --> 00:36:43.610where was that guy with the00:36:43.650 --> 00:36:44.512beer in his hand?00:36:44.652 --> 00:36:45.333Where were you?00:36:45.592 --> 00:36:47.195Where were you on stage?00:36:47.576 --> 00:36:48.277Why weren't you that guy?00:36:48.717 --> 00:36:49.458And the idea is,00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:50.860and this is where all at fault for this,00:36:50.900 --> 00:36:51.621when I'm a speaker,00:36:51.661 --> 00:36:53.143all of a sudden I buttoned up my shirt,00:36:53.244 --> 00:36:53.945really, and I use...00:36:55.235 --> 00:36:56.496boring looking slides and I00:36:56.556 --> 00:36:57.976use big long words so on00:36:57.996 --> 00:36:59.097the drive back from north00:36:59.137 --> 00:37:00.577carolina to where I went to00:37:00.597 --> 00:37:01.737pt school at marymount in00:37:01.757 --> 00:37:03.099virginia I remember saying00:37:03.139 --> 00:37:04.860like and this is 2015 you00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:05.679still needed to like00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:06.599explain to people what a00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:07.780podcast was you needed to00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:08.840be like a podcast it's like00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:09.641a radio show you can00:37:09.661 --> 00:37:11.402download and I was like I00:37:11.442 --> 00:37:12.101pitched it to three00:37:12.141 --> 00:37:13.822classmates in the car and00:37:14.063 --> 00:37:15.244all of them were friends00:37:15.304 --> 00:37:16.164and all of them were like00:37:16.463 --> 00:37:18.085including one of the girl00:37:18.105 --> 00:37:18.864was dating at the time00:37:19.922 --> 00:37:21.284They were like, that is a horrible idea.00:37:21.423 --> 00:37:22.583They were like, don't do that.00:37:23.204 --> 00:37:23.603Don't do it.00:37:23.664 --> 00:37:24.605And I was like, oh, okay.00:37:24.985 --> 00:37:26.324So your peers are telling you like,00:37:26.385 --> 00:37:27.806that is a crap ass idea.00:37:28.346 --> 00:37:29.726But it stayed in my stomach.00:37:29.806 --> 00:37:30.706And then I wound up pitching00:37:30.746 --> 00:37:32.668it to my advisor in PT school.00:37:33.367 --> 00:37:35.268And there I am in her office like, okay,00:37:35.449 --> 00:37:36.329so here's the thing called00:37:36.349 --> 00:37:37.469podcasting and what you do00:37:37.509 --> 00:37:38.309and what I'm thinking about doing.00:37:38.329 --> 00:37:39.489And she's so great,00:37:39.789 --> 00:37:41.351still friends to this day.00:37:41.490 --> 00:37:41.911And she's like,00:37:42.630 --> 00:37:44.771I have no idea what you're talking about.00:37:44.831 --> 00:37:46.552This is media outside of my realm.00:37:46.652 --> 00:37:47.793I'm a PT professor.00:37:48.452 --> 00:37:50.735But you sound really excited about it.00:37:51.094 --> 00:37:52.976So if you were to do it,00:37:53.077 --> 00:37:54.056what's the investment?00:37:54.157 --> 00:37:54.657And I was like, $80.00:37:55.958 --> 00:38:01.722And she's like, feels like if you miss,00:38:01.742 --> 00:38:01.983it's $80.00:38:01.983 --> 00:38:03.083I'm like, yeah,00:38:03.123 --> 00:38:04.324I have to buy a microphone.00:38:04.364 --> 00:38:05.226I don't own a microphone anymore.00:38:05.925 --> 00:38:07.786And so the idea was I did six episodes,00:38:08.628 --> 00:38:09.289a six-pack.00:38:10.065 --> 00:38:11.106I'm going to find people and00:38:11.146 --> 00:38:12.987have conversations over a beer, right?00:38:13.606 --> 00:38:14.108Six of them.00:38:14.168 --> 00:38:15.108And then just release it.00:38:15.188 --> 00:38:16.028And then I was going to be done.00:38:16.048 --> 00:38:17.268It was going to be a series.00:38:18.128 --> 00:38:19.010And then that's what I00:38:19.269 --> 00:38:21.431pitched in that contest.00:38:21.911 --> 00:38:22.510Like, hey,00:38:22.610 --> 00:38:23.992I'm doing this thing and whatever,00:38:24.012 --> 00:38:24.291whatever.00:38:24.552 --> 00:38:25.693Well, I get a phone call,00:38:25.713 --> 00:38:26.373not even an email,00:38:26.452 --> 00:38:27.572phone call from the company.00:38:28.414 --> 00:38:29.534And I thought they were calling to tell me,00:38:29.574 --> 00:38:29.693well,00:38:29.713 --> 00:38:30.775you didn't write the thousand words.00:38:30.815 --> 00:38:31.894What the hell is this video?00:38:32.614 --> 00:38:33.476That's not the contest.00:38:33.516 --> 00:38:34.076So you lose.00:38:34.536 --> 00:38:35.436They called me and they were like,00:38:35.556 --> 00:38:35.956you won.00:38:37.132 --> 00:38:38.514when do you launch the podcast?00:38:38.534 --> 00:38:40.014And I was like, well, I wasn't,00:38:40.193 --> 00:38:41.173that was just my idea.00:38:41.213 --> 00:38:41.835I don't know if I'm actually00:38:41.855 --> 00:38:42.494going to do it now.00:38:42.574 --> 00:38:43.494Again, trying to hide.00:38:44.034 --> 00:38:46.556They're like, we, here's the scholarship.00:38:46.596 --> 00:38:46.916And I was like,00:38:46.936 --> 00:38:47.936I actually want the Fitbit.00:38:47.956 --> 00:38:48.677Like, here's the Fitbit.00:38:48.697 --> 00:38:49.056Take the Fitbit.00:38:49.297 --> 00:38:49.858It's a hundred bucks.00:38:50.077 --> 00:38:50.438Take the Fitbit.00:38:51.277 --> 00:38:52.778I get the Fitbit and then they go,00:38:52.958 --> 00:38:53.898what would you need to00:38:53.938 --> 00:38:54.878launch the podcast?00:38:54.898 --> 00:38:55.820And I was like, I don't know,00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:57.539like a microphone and I got00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:58.501to pay a company.00:38:58.581 --> 00:39:00.501And so I was like, 200 bucks.00:39:00.922 --> 00:39:02.121They're like, here's $500.00:39:02.402 --> 00:39:03.963Put our name on the first six episodes.00:39:04.123 --> 00:39:04.802And I was like, wow.00:39:05.902 --> 00:39:06.161Great.00:39:06.262 --> 00:39:06.641So I did.00:39:06.842 --> 00:39:08.202And I think I put the name on the first.00:39:08.543 --> 00:39:10.083But I did six, released it.00:39:10.983 --> 00:39:11.264Again,00:39:11.284 --> 00:39:13.083I think I had first mover advantage.00:39:13.164 --> 00:39:14.704I wasn't the first PT podcast,00:39:14.784 --> 00:39:15.905but I was one of the first.00:39:15.925 --> 00:39:16.244Because again,00:39:16.284 --> 00:39:16.965you still need to explain00:39:16.985 --> 00:39:17.666what a podcast was.00:39:18.626 --> 00:39:20.445And I got cool feedback.00:39:20.567 --> 00:39:22.967And I realized all the other00:39:22.987 --> 00:39:24.307podcasts or most of the00:39:24.327 --> 00:39:26.068podcasts still are super00:39:26.108 --> 00:39:28.048smart PTs trying to be radio DJs.00:39:28.936 --> 00:39:30.498I was a radio DJ trying to be a PT.00:39:30.518 --> 00:39:32.201I was just swimming in a00:39:32.221 --> 00:39:32.822different direction.00:39:33.143 --> 00:39:33.463That's it.00:39:33.643 --> 00:39:34.643I was just swimming in the00:39:34.664 --> 00:39:36.166other direction.00:39:36.987 --> 00:39:37.788But it sort of works,00:39:37.847 --> 00:39:40.472which is like my job isn't, hey,00:39:40.512 --> 00:39:40.911everybody,00:39:41.072 --> 00:39:42.014I can't wait for you to hear00:39:42.034 --> 00:39:42.934this episode to hear how00:39:43.074 --> 00:39:43.856smart I am and how I'm00:39:43.876 --> 00:39:44.416going to teach you.00:39:44.777 --> 00:39:46.679I really do still approach episodes.00:39:47.827 --> 00:39:48.646Like I'm going to learn00:39:48.686 --> 00:39:50.347something and damn it,00:39:50.367 --> 00:39:50.927we're going to have some00:39:50.967 --> 00:39:52.268fun while we do it or else,00:39:52.367 --> 00:39:53.228or else I'm pulling the plug.00:39:53.728 --> 00:39:55.208So I think I've just, that's it.00:39:55.809 --> 00:39:56.769Have fun learning stuff.00:39:57.349 --> 00:40:00.891And, and similar to yours, mine really,00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:01.971I don't, I talk about,00:40:02.550 --> 00:40:04.152I talk about life with PTs,00:40:04.472 --> 00:40:06.751but not about PT stuff.00:40:06.952 --> 00:40:08.293Like I'm not talking about00:40:08.353 --> 00:40:09.753elbow angles and that00:40:10.092 --> 00:40:10.793someone else is doing that00:40:10.833 --> 00:40:11.273better than me.00:40:11.974 --> 00:40:13.875I would be, I would be a poser doing that.00:40:13.914 --> 00:40:15.135You would see right through me.00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:17.521But I got the degree and I00:40:17.561 --> 00:40:18.802got enough life experience00:40:18.844 --> 00:40:19.844being a PT to have a00:40:19.905 --> 00:40:24.090conversation with anybody or most people.00:40:24.831 --> 00:40:25.492And then I'm like,00:40:25.733 --> 00:40:26.853I just want to find the lessons.00:40:27.235 --> 00:40:28.036And then I learn it.00:40:28.135 --> 00:40:28.657And oh, by the way,00:40:28.677 --> 00:40:29.498we're recording this or00:40:29.518 --> 00:40:30.239we're live streaming this.00:40:30.498 --> 00:40:31.721Other people learn it, too.00:40:32.001 --> 00:40:33.422That's quite literally the magic.00:40:33.583 --> 00:40:33.764I mean.00:40:34.726 --> 00:40:34.967you know,00:40:35.126 --> 00:40:36.367some people get locked up on like,00:40:36.447 --> 00:40:37.527what mic do I buy?00:40:37.648 --> 00:40:38.547Or how do I do?00:40:38.648 --> 00:40:40.128Or I gave away my formula00:40:40.168 --> 00:40:42.427just the other day of how I structure,00:40:42.608 --> 00:40:44.449how I structure like long form episodes.00:40:44.708 --> 00:40:45.728And I'm like, I'm going to give you this.00:40:46.289 --> 00:40:47.668And if you think this is my secret,00:40:47.789 --> 00:40:49.789it's not like, I'll give you,00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:50.829I'll give you the blueprint.00:40:50.929 --> 00:40:51.949I do this and I do this.00:40:52.309 --> 00:40:53.409Here's what apps I use.00:40:53.610 --> 00:40:54.250That isn't it.00:40:55.251 --> 00:40:55.670So it's like,00:40:55.731 --> 00:40:56.471it's like I gave you the00:40:56.510 --> 00:40:58.451blueprints for a jet and I'm like,00:40:58.630 --> 00:40:59.610you still got to fly it.00:41:00.010 --> 00:41:01.871Like, but I'll hand you the jet.00:41:01.952 --> 00:41:03.472I'll hand you a fully functioning jet.00:41:04.385 --> 00:41:05.326I need you to fly it.00:41:05.465 --> 00:41:06.847And when that first flight sucks,00:41:06.987 --> 00:41:07.666I need you to get in the00:41:07.706 --> 00:41:08.728cockpit again the next day.00:41:08.947 --> 00:41:10.927And that's when you get in the 400th time,00:41:11.047 --> 00:41:12.289suddenly you're like, oh, this is great.00:41:12.309 --> 00:41:12.929I'm like, right.00:41:13.768 --> 00:41:15.130So I tell people who launch a podcast,00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:16.369dude, you're first at 10 episodes.00:41:16.449 --> 00:41:16.889I say this.00:41:17.130 --> 00:41:17.690I look right at them.00:41:17.731 --> 00:41:17.931I go,00:41:17.971 --> 00:41:19.251your first 10 episodes are going to suck.00:41:19.351 --> 00:41:20.052And they're like, well,00:41:20.072 --> 00:41:20.811then why would I start?00:41:21.211 --> 00:41:22.411And then I pause and I go, listen,00:41:22.472 --> 00:41:23.233they're only going to suck00:41:23.253 --> 00:41:24.052compared to your next 1000:41:24.052 --> 00:41:24.873episodes because you're00:41:24.893 --> 00:41:25.512going to get better.00:41:26.233 --> 00:41:27.313The learning curve is steep.00:41:27.594 --> 00:41:30.175So I'm like, just Gary Vee says this.00:41:30.315 --> 00:41:32.516Other people just push publish.00:41:33.751 --> 00:41:34.492Don't worry about it.00:41:34.512 --> 00:41:35.233If I had to listen to my00:41:35.353 --> 00:41:37.695college radio shows, I would vomit again.00:41:39.396 --> 00:41:42.539But only compared to my 15th00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.619year in radio and my eighth00:41:44.661 --> 00:41:47.302year in podcasting, that's it.00:41:47.503 --> 00:41:48.983And somewhere along the way,00:41:49.905 --> 00:41:51.166you're not awful anymore.00:41:51.425 --> 00:41:52.947And I don't know if we ever get to great,00:41:53.126 --> 00:41:54.989but you're not awful anymore.00:41:55.728 --> 00:41:57.510So I say push publish.00:41:58.322 --> 00:41:59.443Push public.00:41:59.583 --> 00:42:00.503If you put out a crappy00:42:00.523 --> 00:42:02.204episode and no one listens,00:42:02.784 --> 00:42:03.985no one heard you be crappy.00:42:05.166 --> 00:42:06.505That is absolutely true.00:42:07.427 --> 00:42:08.166My mom heard it, though.00:42:09.608 --> 00:42:11.929Yeah.00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:14.130They're always our biggest supporter.00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:16.190And my mom was a big supporter.00:42:16.291 --> 00:42:17.972She would comment on stuff00:42:18.012 --> 00:42:19.072and listen to stuff and then...00:42:20.168 --> 00:42:20.748Oh, that was great.00:42:20.768 --> 00:42:21.849I heard you talking to that, whatever.00:42:21.949 --> 00:42:22.989And she was not in healthcare,00:42:23.409 --> 00:42:23.969but she was like,00:42:24.269 --> 00:42:25.110I see what you're doing.00:42:25.250 --> 00:42:26.630She put words to what I do00:42:26.710 --> 00:42:28.891now because my job now is podcasting,00:42:28.952 --> 00:42:29.052right?00:42:29.092 --> 00:42:30.612I get revenue from the show from sponsors.00:42:30.731 --> 00:42:31.672That's very transparent.00:42:32.251 --> 00:42:32.353Right.00:42:32.652 --> 00:42:34.213Brought to you by Owens Recovery Science,00:42:34.253 --> 00:42:35.233a single source for PTs00:42:35.253 --> 00:42:36.373looking for personalized00:42:36.713 --> 00:42:37.393blood flow restriction00:42:37.434 --> 00:42:38.173rehabilitation training.00:42:38.193 --> 00:42:38.753Find them online at00:42:38.793 --> 00:42:40.094OwensRecoveryScience.com.00:42:40.114 --> 00:42:40.775So you can just do that.00:42:41.434 --> 00:42:42.416but also I work with00:42:42.476 --> 00:42:44.277companies in healthcare and00:42:44.336 --> 00:42:45.717outside of healthcare with00:42:45.797 --> 00:42:46.699communication stuff.00:42:46.818 --> 00:42:48.239And then my mom said, she's like, Oh,00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:49.460you're with your podcast.00:42:49.501 --> 00:42:50.041You're trying to be the00:42:50.081 --> 00:42:51.061Jimmy Fallon of PT.00:42:51.362 --> 00:42:53.264Talk to anybody, just make it fun and,00:42:53.443 --> 00:42:54.324you know, laugh and learn.00:42:54.565 --> 00:42:54.744Right.00:42:55.045 --> 00:42:55.204Right.00:42:55.646 --> 00:42:55.826With,00:42:56.545 --> 00:42:57.967What I do like off camera00:42:58.027 --> 00:42:59.528with helping other people do it.00:42:59.648 --> 00:43:01.469It's like, I'm your Sherpa.00:43:01.771 --> 00:43:02.851I've been, I've sucked.00:43:03.391 --> 00:43:04.132I know where you are.00:43:04.253 --> 00:43:05.092I know what it feels like.00:43:05.233 --> 00:43:05.934And we're going to walk00:43:06.014 --> 00:43:08.235together to episode five00:43:08.436 --> 00:43:09.876and then 55 and then 155.00:43:09.876 --> 00:43:12.039And that can be videos or00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:13.460podcasts or social.00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.541It's, it's two tin cans in a string, man.00:43:15.842 --> 00:43:17.143It's just moving information00:43:17.422 --> 00:43:18.764from one person to another.00:43:19.385 --> 00:43:20.365But how do you do that?00:43:20.565 --> 00:43:20.766Okay.00:43:20.786 --> 00:43:21.766There's some skill to it.00:43:21.887 --> 00:43:23.027And the more you do it,00:43:23.088 --> 00:43:23.989just like neuro rehab.00:43:24.628 --> 00:43:25.309Repetition.00:43:25.809 --> 00:43:28.030That's your biggest weapon is repetitions.00:43:29.251 --> 00:43:30.271So question for you, though,00:43:30.431 --> 00:43:31.932do you flip this on me now?00:43:31.972 --> 00:43:33.054You flip this on me now.00:43:33.114 --> 00:43:34.795Now I don't.00:43:35.835 --> 00:43:36.094I went.00:43:36.856 --> 00:43:38.177No, I went full nonclinical,00:43:38.217 --> 00:43:39.056although I flirt with the00:43:39.097 --> 00:43:39.918idea of going back.00:43:40.398 --> 00:43:42.478But I never felt great in the clinic.00:43:43.103 --> 00:43:43.322No.00:43:44.143 --> 00:43:45.143I never felt... Wait, wait, wait.00:43:45.164 --> 00:43:46.445You did pediatrics, though.00:43:46.704 --> 00:43:47.764I did pediatrics.00:43:47.864 --> 00:43:48.985I felt great there.00:43:49.005 --> 00:43:50.146Okay.00:43:50.447 --> 00:43:51.567But I always felt like I'm00:43:51.606 --> 00:43:53.068just playing around with kids.00:43:54.849 --> 00:43:55.869But that's sort of PEDS.00:43:56.248 --> 00:43:57.250So I'm actually... Funny you00:43:57.309 --> 00:43:57.769mentioned that.00:43:58.070 --> 00:44:00.291Amy O'Malley was my mentor00:44:00.490 --> 00:44:01.211at the PEDS clinic.00:44:01.452 --> 00:44:02.572I went... So I was in00:44:02.672 --> 00:44:04.233outpatient cash base00:44:04.592 --> 00:44:06.333working with CrossFit00:44:06.373 --> 00:44:08.815athletes and triathletes and army,00:44:08.835 --> 00:44:09.956a lot of military people.00:44:10.496 --> 00:44:11.518And it just didn't fulfill me.00:44:11.617 --> 00:44:12.699Not that it wasn't valid.00:44:12.778 --> 00:44:13.719It just wasn't my thing.00:44:14.001 --> 00:44:14.802So I called Amy.00:44:14.882 --> 00:44:15.882I met her through school.00:44:15.922 --> 00:44:17.565She was like a guest speaker at school.00:44:18.226 --> 00:44:19.106And she had a clinic or she00:44:19.126 --> 00:44:19.907worked at a clinic locally.00:44:19.927 --> 00:44:20.307I was like, hey,00:44:20.327 --> 00:44:21.369can I come like shadow you00:44:21.409 --> 00:44:22.851like a day or a weekend a00:44:22.911 --> 00:44:23.913week or something?00:44:24.492 --> 00:44:25.273And she was like, well, you know,00:44:25.293 --> 00:44:25.994we're hiring.00:44:26.094 --> 00:44:27.416And I'm like, yeah, no, no, I don't.00:44:27.476 --> 00:44:28.918I never even done a clinical in Pete's.00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:29.438Never.00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:29.860Nothing.00:44:30.460 --> 00:44:31.721So I have nothing.00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:33.762I'm just looking for quite00:44:33.802 --> 00:44:34.842literally the first minute00:44:35.242 --> 00:44:35.864treating a kid.00:44:36.003 --> 00:44:36.623And she was like,00:44:37.005 --> 00:44:37.945all I heard you say was you00:44:37.965 --> 00:44:38.945have no bad habits that I00:44:38.965 --> 00:44:41.407need to unlearn you.00:44:41.987 --> 00:44:43.228And then she said a few other things.00:44:43.289 --> 00:44:44.449And hopefully she's not00:44:44.469 --> 00:44:45.630listening to this episode00:44:45.650 --> 00:44:46.690because I don't want her to00:44:46.710 --> 00:44:47.130see what's coming.00:44:47.592 --> 00:44:48.532But then she said, Jimmy,00:44:48.552 --> 00:44:49.072do you know what the00:44:49.112 --> 00:44:50.373divorce rate is in this country?00:44:50.414 --> 00:44:50.813And I was like, 50%.00:44:51.494 --> 00:44:51.795And she goes,00:44:51.815 --> 00:44:52.554do you know what the divorce00:44:52.594 --> 00:44:53.715rate is if you have a child with00:44:54.195 --> 00:44:54.797special needs.00:44:55.177 --> 00:44:55.918And I said, no.00:44:55.978 --> 00:44:56.818And she goes, another 50%.00:44:57.838 --> 00:44:58.480So she was like,00:44:58.619 --> 00:44:59.621and I think the math works out.00:44:59.661 --> 00:45:00.541Math people will check me on this.00:45:01.302 --> 00:45:02.402She was essentially saying,00:45:02.523 --> 00:45:03.824you might be the only male00:45:04.724 --> 00:45:06.467in a kid's regular...00:45:06.706 --> 00:45:07.347Because a lot of the kids00:45:07.367 --> 00:45:08.608that we saw was outpatient peds.00:45:08.949 --> 00:45:10.550So I was seeing a kid once or twice a week,00:45:10.590 --> 00:45:14.047but forever or till they're 21 or 18.00:45:14.047 --> 00:45:15.228So she's like, you a lot.00:45:15.289 --> 00:45:16.730She goes, you're a unicorn, man.00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:17.670You're a dude.00:45:17.710 --> 00:45:19.211And you'd be the only male at our clinic.00:45:19.291 --> 00:45:19.713And she's like,00:45:19.753 --> 00:45:20.873that's going to work for you.00:45:20.914 --> 00:45:21.793I was like, really?00:45:21.954 --> 00:45:23.396And so I thought I brought00:45:23.456 --> 00:45:24.275nothing to the table.00:45:24.376 --> 00:45:26.577And she was showing me like, I see upside.00:45:26.677 --> 00:45:27.759And I was like, gosh, really?00:45:27.818 --> 00:45:29.521So I felt so that felt good.00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:30.561I did like that.00:45:30.740 --> 00:45:32.322But there was this burning00:45:32.382 --> 00:45:34.364desire for me to do this other thing.00:45:34.423 --> 00:45:35.605Like, can I make more?00:45:36.525 --> 00:45:37.686I could leave a really deep00:45:37.726 --> 00:45:38.608burning impression with00:45:39.835 --> 00:45:41.456all the kids and parents that I treated.00:45:41.536 --> 00:45:42.135And that would be,00:45:42.155 --> 00:45:43.177I don't know what I have 2000:45:43.177 --> 00:45:44.396or 30 kids on my schedule,00:45:45.157 --> 00:45:46.217but what if I could put a00:45:46.277 --> 00:45:48.619zero or two zeros or three zeros on that?00:45:48.759 --> 00:45:49.458What if I could have a00:45:49.518 --> 00:45:51.000conversation with them though,00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:53.061now that a hundred people00:45:53.121 --> 00:45:54.300here and Bray's like a hundred,00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:54.961that's not a lot.00:45:55.001 --> 00:45:55.202I go,00:45:55.621 --> 00:45:57.762you have it a hundred people treat 3000:45:57.762 --> 00:45:58.523people a week.00:45:58.663 --> 00:45:59.764And that's all that we start00:45:59.784 --> 00:46:01.644to now that that's,00:46:01.684 --> 00:46:02.864that's a hockey stick graph.00:46:02.905 --> 00:46:04.106Like that goes up fast.00:46:04.505 --> 00:46:04.646Yeah.00:46:05.190 --> 00:46:06.771So I was like, I kind of like this.00:46:06.851 --> 00:46:07.072I mean,00:46:07.092 --> 00:46:08.233I struggle with it as an identity00:46:08.253 --> 00:46:09.074all the day, all the time.00:46:09.094 --> 00:46:09.994When I do PT,00:46:10.094 --> 00:46:11.856I do my show live at PT school sometimes.00:46:12.516 --> 00:46:13.697And before we like start,00:46:13.918 --> 00:46:14.818before I hit record,00:46:14.918 --> 00:46:16.880I'll sort of give the audience,00:46:16.940 --> 00:46:18.581which are PT students, some context.00:46:19.242 --> 00:46:19.722Show of hands,00:46:19.742 --> 00:46:20.362how many people have heard00:46:20.382 --> 00:46:21.222the podcast or not?00:46:21.302 --> 00:46:23.405Most of the time, it's half maybe at best,00:46:23.864 --> 00:46:25.186which I actually look as opportunity.00:46:25.567 --> 00:46:25.786I'm like,00:46:25.806 --> 00:46:27.148the show gets X number of downloads,00:46:27.228 --> 00:46:27.367right?00:46:27.387 --> 00:46:28.509We got 5 million downloads or whatever.00:46:28.869 --> 00:46:29.909And half the room I'm about00:46:29.949 --> 00:46:31.070to talk to has never heard of me.00:46:31.490 --> 00:46:32.692Opportunity to turn them00:46:32.731 --> 00:46:33.632into people who like it, right?00:46:33.672 --> 00:46:33.813Right.00:46:34.413 --> 00:46:35.034And then I say,00:46:35.094 --> 00:46:38.074I'm about to tell you my question.00:46:38.094 --> 00:46:39.016I'm going to ask you a question.00:46:39.096 --> 00:46:40.096Don't answer it out loud.00:46:41.536 --> 00:46:42.577Then at the end of the show,00:46:42.597 --> 00:46:43.858I'm going to ask you the question again.00:46:44.217 --> 00:46:45.559I want to know if your answer changed.00:46:45.579 --> 00:46:46.239And the question is,00:46:46.418 --> 00:46:48.039is Jimmy a real physical therapist?00:46:49.201 --> 00:46:49.621And then I say,00:46:49.661 --> 00:46:50.621I haven't treated patient00:46:50.722 --> 00:46:51.442in a couple of years.00:46:51.581 --> 00:46:52.481I'm not an education.00:46:52.583 --> 00:46:53.322I'm not in research.00:46:53.402 --> 00:46:54.443I'm not an administration.00:46:55.623 --> 00:46:56.864Wait, what does Jimmy do?00:46:56.985 --> 00:46:57.425And then I'm like,00:46:57.625 --> 00:46:58.985I'm about to do what I do.00:47:00.074 --> 00:47:01.195And then I'm going to ask00:47:01.215 --> 00:47:01.775the question again.00:47:01.815 --> 00:47:02.635So then I do like a live00:47:02.695 --> 00:47:03.596show where I'll interview00:47:03.737 --> 00:47:05.458four or five people from the school,00:47:05.637 --> 00:47:07.199alums, faculty, students, whatever.00:47:07.579 --> 00:47:08.860But I do it, you know, sort of,00:47:09.981 --> 00:47:11.681I do it with all the music and whatever.00:47:11.762 --> 00:47:15.585And we do the, we make it fun.00:47:15.605 --> 00:47:16.585Essentially I do the Jimmy00:47:16.605 --> 00:47:17.806Fallon show of PT live.00:47:18.405 --> 00:47:19.927And then at the end, everybody claps,00:47:20.027 --> 00:47:20.208right?00:47:20.268 --> 00:47:20.927I hit stop.00:47:21.027 --> 00:47:21.889And then I turn back to the00:47:21.909 --> 00:47:22.528audience and I go,00:47:22.829 --> 00:47:24.309what you just heard was the trick.00:47:25.391 --> 00:47:26.552You just watched the trick.00:47:27.876 --> 00:47:30.255Now, when I go home and publish this,00:47:30.615 --> 00:47:31.817I just did the trick in00:47:31.836 --> 00:47:32.677front of 300 people.00:47:33.657 --> 00:47:36.257When I leave and it goes to 30,000 people,00:47:37.057 --> 00:47:39.438if 30,000 people learn one thing,00:47:39.818 --> 00:47:41.657I'm not a math guy, that's 30,000 things.00:47:42.318 --> 00:47:43.318And if I do that twice a00:47:43.358 --> 00:47:44.458week for eight years,00:47:44.918 --> 00:47:46.079that's a lot of things.00:47:47.018 --> 00:47:48.599So I'm just serving up information.00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:49.719The same thing you're doing.00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.019And the magic of mine is I00:47:52.179 --> 00:47:52.780just kept doing it.00:47:53.059 --> 00:47:54.099Even when no one clapped,00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.121even when no one dropped me a DM,00:47:56.380 --> 00:47:57.081even when no one...00:47:58.067 --> 00:47:59.489Even when I got my teeth punched in,00:47:59.668 --> 00:48:00.590I still did it again.00:48:01.190 --> 00:48:02.773Because at worst,00:48:03.152 --> 00:48:04.974I learned one thing from 4800:48:04.974 --> 00:48:06.117minutes of talking with them.00:48:07.538 --> 00:48:08.659And I found value in that.00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:09.820Yeah, absolutely.00:48:10.269 --> 00:48:11.610I'm like, and oh my gosh,00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:13.510biggest Trojan horse slash00:48:13.710 --> 00:48:15.012cheat code ever to meeting00:48:15.052 --> 00:48:17.112people and getting jobs or00:48:17.132 --> 00:48:18.213just meeting smart people.00:48:18.373 --> 00:48:19.253Like, I mean,00:48:19.273 --> 00:48:20.052a lot of the audience has no00:48:20.092 --> 00:48:21.094idea what a Rolodex is,00:48:21.153 --> 00:48:23.494but a Rolodex is like the00:48:23.554 --> 00:48:24.875context on your phone.00:48:26.034 --> 00:48:28.096But like, hey, like unintentionally,00:48:28.155 --> 00:48:29.115I've got the world's best00:48:29.175 --> 00:48:30.856Rolodex in PT where someone goes,00:48:30.996 --> 00:48:31.976I wish I knew someone who00:48:32.016 --> 00:48:33.217did this super obscure thing.00:48:33.257 --> 00:48:34.137I'm like, I know three of them.00:48:34.938 --> 00:48:35.818Wow.00:48:36.739 --> 00:48:38.860And I don't leverage that for evil,00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:41.842but I'm like, I get to be a connector.00:48:42.362 --> 00:48:44.744I was at CSM, and I won't say who she was.00:48:44.764 --> 00:48:45.344I don't want to give away00:48:45.364 --> 00:48:46.244too much of her or whatever,00:48:46.264 --> 00:48:47.405but she comes from a00:48:47.505 --> 00:48:48.706marginalized group of people,00:48:48.746 --> 00:48:50.286a very small subset of the population,00:48:50.327 --> 00:48:51.208and she wants to get into00:48:51.228 --> 00:48:53.728this uber competitive type of therapy.00:48:54.309 --> 00:48:54.750And I go,00:48:54.909 --> 00:48:55.949I know three people that can help00:48:55.989 --> 00:48:56.451you now.00:48:57.070 --> 00:48:58.190And I was like, how cool is this?00:48:58.251 --> 00:48:59.472I'm like, stand here.00:48:59.492 --> 00:49:00.492I want your phone number.00:49:01.012 --> 00:49:01.632And I'm going to give it to00:49:01.692 --> 00:49:02.432these three people.00:49:02.652 --> 00:49:03.552And then you're going to get it.00:49:03.572 --> 00:49:04.913What's your email address?00:49:05.253 --> 00:49:06.273They're going to email you.00:49:06.494 --> 00:49:06.934And she was like,00:49:06.954 --> 00:49:08.094why are you just doing that?00:49:08.153 --> 00:49:08.394I'm like,00:49:08.855 --> 00:49:10.414because I see two dots that can00:49:10.434 --> 00:49:11.034be connected.00:49:12.755 --> 00:49:14.275If I connect you with this guy,00:49:14.295 --> 00:49:17.177I know that he likes to00:49:17.217 --> 00:49:18.117help people like you00:49:18.157 --> 00:49:20.617because he was like you 25 years ago.00:49:21.217 --> 00:49:21.898And now he goes,00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:23.958I want to speed up other people.00:49:24.018 --> 00:49:24.960I want to be the person I00:49:25.219 --> 00:49:26.079needed but didn't have.00:49:26.809 --> 00:49:28.429And I get to be the person in a bar going,00:49:28.449 --> 00:49:29.170you want to do what?00:49:29.469 --> 00:49:29.809Oh, yeah,00:49:29.829 --> 00:49:32.911but you're from a rural area in a00:49:32.951 --> 00:49:35.911minority group, and you have no inroads.00:49:35.931 --> 00:49:36.913I'm like, I'm your inroad,00:49:37.233 --> 00:49:38.592so thanks for coming to Happy.00:49:38.753 --> 00:49:39.974So I'm like, hang on, what's your email?00:49:40.014 --> 00:49:40.833Got it, got it.00:49:41.014 --> 00:49:41.594Okay, good, see you.00:49:42.735 --> 00:49:43.974So I get to do that.00:49:44.114 --> 00:49:44.876So that's fun.00:49:45.655 --> 00:49:46.795That's a great difference00:49:46.916 --> 00:49:49.617that you make in this whole profession,00:49:49.657 --> 00:49:50.056though.00:49:50.438 --> 00:49:51.657That doesn't make you obscure it.00:49:52.684 --> 00:49:54.166It also, right.00:49:54.206 --> 00:49:56.146But I also didn't need or00:49:56.286 --> 00:49:57.288ask for permission to do it.00:49:57.347 --> 00:49:58.248I felt like I needed to do it,00:49:58.289 --> 00:49:59.309which is this exact.00:49:59.349 --> 00:50:01.690So my whole lesson is to why can't,00:50:01.831 --> 00:50:02.512what can't you do?00:50:02.672 --> 00:50:03.932I connected radio and PT00:50:04.273 --> 00:50:04.952didn't make any sense.00:50:04.992 --> 00:50:06.673Looking forwards makes complete sense.00:50:06.733 --> 00:50:07.695Now that everything's live00:50:07.715 --> 00:50:08.896streamed and podcasts and whatever.00:50:09.536 --> 00:50:09.655Well,00:50:09.675 --> 00:50:10.936my thing is what's your thing from00:50:10.976 --> 00:50:12.557outside of PT or before PT00:50:12.657 --> 00:50:13.438or the thing you do?00:50:13.539 --> 00:50:15.880Like Kate McGee loved video00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:16.981games and e-sports.00:50:17.661 --> 00:50:19.202And when I first interviewed her in 2015,00:50:19.202 --> 00:50:19.3422016, she,00:50:21.507 --> 00:50:22.248She was like, oh,00:50:22.407 --> 00:50:23.608esports is like almost a00:50:23.648 --> 00:50:24.588billion dollar industry.00:50:24.628 --> 00:50:25.369I'm like, that's cute.00:50:25.650 --> 00:50:26.829Like I really said, like, that's cute.00:50:26.869 --> 00:50:27.309Like, that's cool.00:50:27.329 --> 00:50:28.391You're going to work with video gamers.00:50:28.411 --> 00:50:28.670But like,00:50:28.731 --> 00:50:30.251I'm not sure if that's a full time thing.00:50:30.731 --> 00:50:32.652And now esports is a billion, billion,00:50:32.692 --> 00:50:33.693billion, billion, billion,00:50:33.733 --> 00:50:34.733billion dollar industry.00:50:35.132 --> 00:50:37.454And Kate, all she does is work for one HP,00:50:38.335 --> 00:50:39.235which is this organization00:50:39.255 --> 00:50:40.394of PTs and other people who00:50:40.414 --> 00:50:41.235just work with gamers.00:50:41.356 --> 00:50:42.456And I was like, wow,00:50:42.536 --> 00:50:44.717you can connect two random00:50:44.757 --> 00:50:46.036dots and they're going to00:50:46.077 --> 00:50:46.818laugh at you at first.00:50:47.641 --> 00:50:48.661And they are going to discount you.00:50:48.681 --> 00:50:49.663And they're going to say that's cute.00:50:49.682 --> 00:50:50.862And they're going to pass you on the head.00:50:51.762 --> 00:50:53.344And then if you... Honestly,00:50:53.384 --> 00:50:54.623the magic is just persist.00:50:55.565 --> 00:50:55.864Absolutely.00:50:56.364 --> 00:50:58.126Just persist.00:50:58.965 --> 00:51:00.806So if you want help with a podcast,00:51:01.246 --> 00:51:03.387I like helping podcasters.00:51:03.507 --> 00:51:06.349I'll bring you all the... Not tricks,00:51:06.429 --> 00:51:09.469but all the things that you00:51:09.510 --> 00:51:10.690might not know about or00:51:10.710 --> 00:51:11.650whatever that could save00:51:11.690 --> 00:51:13.150you five minutes or a headache.00:51:13.170 --> 00:51:13.251Okay.00:51:14.635 --> 00:51:16.097but that's, that's the value though.00:51:16.297 --> 00:51:17.378That's absolutely the value.00:51:17.458 --> 00:51:18.278Cause I've screwed up.00:51:18.358 --> 00:51:19.940So I can, I'm like, Oh, let me guess.00:51:19.981 --> 00:51:20.820You're doing this.00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.681And then it takes you this00:51:21.742 --> 00:51:22.422long to do this.00:51:22.802 --> 00:51:23.664And then you get tired.00:51:23.704 --> 00:51:24.764And then I'm like, no,00:51:24.804 --> 00:51:25.865why don't you do this, this, this.00:51:25.945 --> 00:51:26.847Cause I want you doing more00:51:26.887 --> 00:51:29.489of this and less of editing and whatever.00:51:29.628 --> 00:51:33.952Like, Oh, no, no, absolutely.00:51:34.052 --> 00:51:34.152Um,00:51:34.393 --> 00:51:35.594so what's the name of the podcast again?00:51:36.034 --> 00:51:36.255Say it.00:51:36.275 --> 00:51:37.476With Dr. Hanson PT.00:51:39.123 --> 00:51:39.304All right,00:51:39.324 --> 00:51:40.364we'll put the link in the show notes.00:51:40.465 --> 00:51:41.445I'll put the link in the stream.00:51:41.585 --> 00:51:42.606Is it available everywhere?00:51:43.126 --> 00:51:44.528It is available on Spotify.00:51:44.668 --> 00:51:45.989Apple has not yet allowed us00:51:46.090 --> 00:51:47.050on their platform.00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:48.731How long did you submit?00:51:50.733 --> 00:51:52.795Wow, it's been about, I think in January.00:51:52.916 --> 00:51:53.677No, no, no, no.00:51:53.717 --> 00:51:54.516There's an error somewhere.00:51:54.697 --> 00:51:55.697It's usually 72 hours.00:51:55.818 --> 00:51:57.699We'll fix that.00:51:57.739 --> 00:51:59.061That's a huge hurdle.00:51:59.121 --> 00:52:00.121That's the largest platform.00:52:00.242 --> 00:52:01.884I mean, Spotify's two, Apple's one.00:52:02.224 --> 00:52:02.724That's an error.00:52:02.804 --> 00:52:03.545We'll figure that out.00:52:03.605 --> 00:52:04.365We'll do that off air.00:52:04.385 --> 00:52:05.005We'll figure that out.00:52:05.347 --> 00:52:05.686That's awesome.00:52:05.706 --> 00:52:06.568That's a five-minute fix.00:52:07.347 --> 00:52:08.427Absolutely.00:52:08.467 --> 00:52:08.626Yeah.00:52:08.666 --> 00:52:09.688Google Podcasts.00:52:09.728 --> 00:52:10.367We're on there.00:52:10.407 --> 00:52:13.467We use a publisher,00:52:13.527 --> 00:52:14.648so they just send it out.00:52:15.009 --> 00:52:15.728Yeah.00:52:15.768 --> 00:52:16.789We'll talk as soon as we're00:52:16.809 --> 00:52:17.188done with this.00:52:17.509 --> 00:52:18.769We've got to do a parting shot, though.00:52:18.789 --> 00:52:19.869Are you ready for your parting shot?00:52:20.489 --> 00:52:22.771This is the parting shot.00:52:22.811 --> 00:52:23.570Parting shot brought to you00:52:23.590 --> 00:52:24.391by the Academy of00:52:24.451 --> 00:52:25.610Orthopedic Physical Therapy.00:52:25.630 --> 00:52:28.351Find them online at orthopt.org.00:52:28.371 --> 00:52:29.532They've got current concepts00:52:29.692 --> 00:52:30.572of orthopedic physical00:52:30.592 --> 00:52:31.552therapy in their fifth edition.00:52:31.572 --> 00:52:32.972That's like this really great roadmap.00:52:33.925 --> 00:52:35.405From wherever you are in your PT career,00:52:35.425 --> 00:52:36.467if you're like, I'm an ortho PT,00:52:36.507 --> 00:52:37.126I want to be better.00:52:37.186 --> 00:52:37.788Maybe I want to take that00:52:37.847 --> 00:52:39.389OCS exam or something.00:52:39.528 --> 00:52:40.750Take Current Concepts.00:52:40.809 --> 00:52:41.769It's just outlined and it's00:52:41.989 --> 00:52:42.590put together by the00:52:42.630 --> 00:52:43.952smartest people in ortho PT.00:52:44.371 --> 00:52:45.672OrthoPT.org.00:52:45.733 --> 00:52:47.614All right, Mathel, party shot,00:52:47.813 --> 00:52:48.534mic drop moment.00:52:48.554 --> 00:52:49.456What do you want to leave with people?00:52:51.036 --> 00:52:52.958Don't be afraid to, one,00:52:52.978 --> 00:52:53.878don't be afraid to fail.00:52:54.378 --> 00:52:56.039Two, just go out there and go do it.00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:56.981Just get better.00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:57.760Every day,00:52:57.820 --> 00:52:58.922just go out there and get better.00:52:59.574 --> 00:53:01.614My buddy Boba Banko says 1% better,00:53:01.614 --> 00:53:02.8941% better every day, man.00:53:03.295 --> 00:53:04.016I'm not a math guy,00:53:04.036 --> 00:53:04.856but that adds up to a lot.00:53:05.516 --> 00:53:06.275That adds up to a lot.00:53:06.295 --> 00:53:06.916All right.00:53:06.976 --> 00:53:07.976Mattel, appreciate your time.00:53:08.317 --> 00:53:09.318Thanks for changing from a00:53:09.398 --> 00:53:10.777recording to a live stream.00:53:10.838 --> 00:53:12.338I just, I like, it's funny.00:53:12.418 --> 00:53:14.039Cause when you know, I sing with radio,00:53:14.478 --> 00:53:15.940when you know, people are listening.00:53:17.023 --> 00:53:17.543it's different.00:53:17.563 --> 00:53:18.985It feels like a different speed.00:53:19.045 --> 00:53:21.186It puts us, our brains, it's different.00:53:21.226 --> 00:53:22.027Like when you talk in front00:53:22.047 --> 00:53:23.347of a group or you're talking alone,00:53:23.867 --> 00:53:24.449it's different.00:53:24.568 --> 00:53:25.789And I, and I don't know,00:53:25.829 --> 00:53:27.291when we first got on the screen,00:53:27.331 --> 00:53:28.251I was like, he's got a vibe.00:53:28.271 --> 00:53:31.153He's got a cool microphone, headphones.00:53:31.193 --> 00:53:32.074Like he knows what he's doing.00:53:32.094 --> 00:53:33.835All right.00:53:34.135 --> 00:53:34.876Uh, don't hang up.00:53:34.976 --> 00:53:37.038I want to talk about podcast specs, but,00:53:37.378 --> 00:53:37.458uh,00:53:37.538 --> 00:53:38.518I'm going to sign off the live stream.00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:39.500All right.00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:39.940All right.00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:40.420They said the best00:53:40.460 --> 00:53:41.822conversations happen at happy hour.00:53:42.121 --> 00:53:42.782Thanks for coming on.00:53:47.465 --> 00:53:47.994Thank you.