Broadway Needs Better PT: Marissa Schaefer on Reconditioning and Recovery

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Sounds great.

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And it looks like it's spelled normally,

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but I'm just going to ask.

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It's Marissa.

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It is, yes.

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You'd never know.

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Sometimes people are like, well, actually,

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it's whatever.

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And I'm like, okay, glad I asked.

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Perfect.

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So I want to set the stage.

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Yeah.

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Did it.

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Yep.

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what does uh and I know I'm

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gonna you're gonna say

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there is none but what does

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a normal week look like for

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a performing artist for the

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people you get to treat

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because I've heard eight

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shows a week and you know

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like how crazy things for

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me and I know you work with

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a varied group but like

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what's as close to normal

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as you can describe as

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possible for someone like this

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Okay.

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Let's start with like a Broadway performer,

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shall we?

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And then maybe we'll,

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maybe if we have a second,

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we can venture into modern,

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modern dance territory.

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I'm in New York city though.

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So let's like set context

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there because it's going to

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look different if you're somewhere else.

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Okay.

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Everywhere.

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Right.

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So Broadway performer,

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you have eight shows a week, right?

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Usually that's like one on

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one on every day of the week,

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except for Wednesday and Saturday,

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which we have two shows.

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And then Monday is what we

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call a dark day where you get like

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You get a day to be normal

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and do your groceries and

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maybe do your laundry.

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So during that time,

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you're always performing at

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night and then on matinees

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for Wednesdays and Saturdays.

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But sometimes you also have

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rehearsals or put-ins or

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things of this nature,

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rehearsals happening one,

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maybe two times a week for

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shows that are open and running.

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And then on top of that,

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folks might have other gigs,

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might be something like

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soul site teaching soul

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cycle or being a personal

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trainer or it might be

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participating in a workshop

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um from ten to six monday

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through friday or whatever

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which means that you're

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developing a new production

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or a new show which is so

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much so much energy output

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I feel like people are like oh

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you're a broadway performer

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you just perform at night

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like no these people are

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hustling their tushes off

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and then like modern dance

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modern dance is also kind

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of cuckoo bananas right I

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think for smaller dance

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companies um you know for

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for a company that has

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maybe twelve individuals

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you're looking at being in

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the studio and rehearsing

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for five to seven hours in

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a day and if you have a

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small modern dance company

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that means that like

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everyone is in the room

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It's not like cast A is

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rehearsing and cast B is not there.

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Like everyone's for a small

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modern dance company, everyone is cast.

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So everyone has to be in the

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room and learning and

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dancing five to seven hours

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a day of like rehearsal is a ton.

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Not to mention the travel

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that definitely happens and

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the performances that happen.

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And then juggling that with

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what we call layoffs.

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Layoffs are like your

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contract might only be

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thirty two weeks in a year.

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And for those two to four to

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six weeks at a time,

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you suddenly find yourself

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with with no income and no rehearsal.

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So how do you manage that

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and make those ends meet?

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So there's a lot.

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There's a lot.

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You've got a hot take about this,

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because it sounds like you

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obviously have a little bit

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of a finger on the pulse of this.

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And your hot take is the

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care system for performers

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is so reactive.

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Describe why it is or how that is,

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and then why does it need to change?

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For sure.

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Okay.

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Now I won't say that this is ubiquitous.

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Like there's some companies

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that have what I'm calling

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a more proactive system and

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they've been written up in

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literature and I have been, you know,

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I've had the great pleasure

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and honor of working with

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some of them in some of these companies.

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So a reactive care system

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kind of looks like, Hey, we need to have,

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we need to have physical

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therapy contractually,

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or like as a thank you to

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our performers when we're

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performing at this particular theater,

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you know, once a year, twice a year,

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et cetera, we'll have,

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care come in,

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but we won't have anything

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necessarily consistent or

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adequate enough to attend

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to all the performer's needs, right?

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So basically then,

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little issues will start to

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kind of come up and potentially fester,

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and people might try to

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like self-manage and regulate,

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or the company might try to

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throw a few resources at it,

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or it also depends on if

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the performer is willing to

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speak up and talk about

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whether or not they have an injury.

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And then these things kind

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of fester and we don't have

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adequate care to take care

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of them and suddenly they're big issues,

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right?

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And when they're a big issue,

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it's not just the fact that

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someone has an injury,

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but now we need to change

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casting and we need to do

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it super quickly.

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We haven't had a preparation

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and maybe we need to bring

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other folks in to cover that person,

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which costs money, money to rehearse,

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money to pay that additional person,

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money to make additional costumes.

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And so instead of providing

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adequate care from the get

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in so much as having PT in

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the space early,

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having conversations and

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infrastructures regarding

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care for each performers

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and what that looks like

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and how we're going to

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attend to your injuries so

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we can all talk about

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injuries the same way as

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opposed to it being taboo

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and hush hush and the show must go on.

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I had a brain fart.

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But anyway, we we

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I feel like the show must go

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on as a lot like, I mean,

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the parallel in sports is no pain,

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no gain, right?

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Like they're the same thing.

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They're like, hey,

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I understand that there's

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an injury going on, but suck it up,

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rub some dirt on it and get out there.

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And that is really easy to say.

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Yeah.

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And probably sometimes with

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some of these artists, not.

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possible or not easy to do

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or not possible to do.

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It feels like you're talking

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about the world of performing artists,

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but this could be also

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applied to the world,

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not just performing artists

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or military operators or athletes.

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This is reactive versus proactive.

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And when you do that on a population scale,

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people are happier,

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they feel better longer,

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things don't pop up when they might have,

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and things cost less

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because we have to bring in

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the cost element as well.

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Exactly.

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Right.

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If you stub your toe or you start,

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you know,

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you walk in the streets in New

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York and your foot hurts,

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if you get it seen taken

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care of right now,

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we can probably give you

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one or two little exercises,

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maybe some supportive footwear,

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and you're going to be fine.

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versus if you have a two

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week trip plan to New York

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after day three, your foot hurts,

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I'm just gonna ignore it, right?

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And then by the end of the trip,

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you're hurting a lot,

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you have to change all of your plans,

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and all this money that

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you've paid for your trip

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is now kind of lost, right?

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You've got to change everything.

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And then the care is gonna

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take longer as well.

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So you're not- There's this

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phrase reconditioning.

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Is that what the missing

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link is in performer rehab

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that most people, even clinicians maybe,

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are missing?

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Yeah, that's a really good point.

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Yes,

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I believe we are missing the

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reconditioning link.

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How do you describe, like set the stage,

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what is reconditioning?

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Yeah, okay.

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So as we established from the beginning,

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right,

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being a performer constitutes like

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being able to do a lot of stuff.

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You need to have a very high

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level of conditioning, right,

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to just get through your

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day and to be resilient from the get.

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When folks get injured,

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what tends to happen is

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everything falls off.

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They've gone from like a

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hundred to approximately

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zero as we're kind of

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working through the acute phase.

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And what I tend to see, and again,

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this is not a blanket statement,

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but what I tend to see is

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that folks start to

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rehabilitate a particular injury.

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and they rehabilitate the specific muscles,

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tendons, tissues, et cetera.

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And they get to this point

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maybe in their mid-stage of

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rehab where the tissue is better,

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but then they have such

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like a decreased level of conditioning,

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right?

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Because they spent three, four, five,

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six weeks, right?

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Just making sure that their

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ADLs or activities of daily

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living are like okay to go.

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But then we tend to miss

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this huge chunk where it's like, well,

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we don't only need local tissue capacity.

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We need power.

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We need strength.

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We need coordination.

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We need anaerobic capacity.

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We need all these kinds of things.

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And that's where the

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reconditioning comes in.

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That's where we tend to lack.

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So that when folks come in,

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they feel better,

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but they're not ready for

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the demands of an eight show week,

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plus the rehearsals,

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plus the other gigs that

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they have on top of that.

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So what would the gold standard,

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you can wave a magic wand and sort of say,

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this is the gold standard

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for performer care and the

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system it would look like.

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What is that?

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And then follow up,

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what's stopping us from doing that?

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That's a great question.

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Well, I will say,

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that, you know, as we established,

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just like Broadway looks

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different than modern dance, small,

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large modern dance companies.

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I mean, the budget looks different.

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The involvement looks different.

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And even in a Broadway show,

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not all shows are created equal.

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You could have a ninety

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minute run with five actors

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who basically stand on stage versus a

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um two and a half hour show

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with like high octane

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dancing and heavy props and

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all that stuff right so um

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let's I think it would be

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better to talk about like

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common pieces as opposed to

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you know one blanket what

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it would look like because

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again I think it needs some tailoring but

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I think we start with this

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and that is that we need a

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common language and an

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infrastructure that we all speak.

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So I think the biggest

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paradigm shift is that all

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parties need to get on the same page.

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We need to understand what

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our system is gonna look like,

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what our expectations are.

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We need to create a common

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language around how we're

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going to deal with injury,

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what kinds of information

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we're going to share

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between physical therapy, AT,

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S&C and company management, right?

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Um,

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so that we can all speak together

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because if we all have

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different ideas about how

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things are going to go,

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we can have an awesome system.

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Right.

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And it's just not going to work.

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So that's thing one, right.

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Thing two is then providing adequate care.

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And it's not just like, okay, cool.

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We've provided PT and like, you know,

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or AT or whatever we've

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provided backstage care.

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But if you're like squishing

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care into fifteen minute chunks,

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which happens quite often, right?

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You only have fifteen

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minutes to meet with your

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backstage care provider or

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only thirty percent of the

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cast can be seen in a week.

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That's not adequate, right?

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Because what ends up

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happening is that the small

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niggly issues that are

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happening today are like, oh, my gosh,

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it's totally fine.

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My ankle's fine.

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But you have such a big injury.

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You can't lift your arm.

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I'm going to give my spot to you.

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And then that person with

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the little niggly injury

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like waits and waits and waits and waits.

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And as we discussed before,

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they have a bigger problem, right?

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So providing adequate care,

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which looks like enough slots per people,

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enough time to kind of get

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to the root of what's going on.

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And we can work efficiently

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like it doesn't have to be

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too much longer than fifteen minutes.

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But, you know,

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and then and then once

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someone gets injured,

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or something pops up,

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if it doesn't get to come

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into the PT table,

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can we at least have a

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conversation where it's like, hey,

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Joe got hit in the shoulder

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with this prop yesterday.

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PT, are you aware of it?

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PT's like, oh, hey, no,

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we weren't aware of it.

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Joe, come in.

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We just want to triage and

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make sure things are OK,

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as opposed to waiting.

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Again, it kind of goes in the same circle.

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So there's that kind of conversation.

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And then when someone gets injured,

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Helping to keep an eye on that individual.

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Right.

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Which could look like, hey, Joe,

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I know you got hit in the

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shoulder and you're going

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to go see our our physician

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who's like on the show with us.

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We've let the person know what's going on.

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Do you have the resources you need in PT?

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OK,

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you've gone to PT outside PT outside of

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the show.

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Is your PT going well?

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Do we have the

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reconditioning piece taken care of?

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Are there do you have access

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to all the resources you

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need in terms of like,

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do you need a mental health

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care provider?

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Do you need a dietician?

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Like,

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how can we look for all these

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individuals after all these

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individuals health and well-being?

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Because as we mentioned before,

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when we don't have that

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reconditioning like piece

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figured out and we kind of

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lose these folks as they go

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into medical leave,

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what we see a lot is that

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folks come back.

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from these medical leaves

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and again local tissue

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capacity is pretty good but

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the rest of them we need

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like they need more work so

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when they come back there's

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also there there can be

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this game of like they're

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in technically but then

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they start calling out a

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fair amount but calling out

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I mean like they will

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instead of doing eight

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shows a week they'll be

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like oh at the second show

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of this wednesday I don't

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think I have the capacity

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to do I'm not ready which

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creates another stressful

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ripple effect as well so we

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want to make sure that

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we're heading that off at the pass

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before they come back in so

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everyone is set up for

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success if that makes sense

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so what is everybody in

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terms of clinic owners

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rehab professionals outside

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of performing arts what do

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they need to learn from

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that model what could they

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take away and say huh like

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that's a really good lesson

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how could I translate that

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to what I do if I'm not

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necessarily like marissa on broadway

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You mean like for mongols,

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like not performing artists?

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Yeah, in terms of just like, yeah,

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for non-performing artists,

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like what can they learn like for that?

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I feel like most of our colleagues,

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let's just say in

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outpatient physical therapy, right?

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The broadest of scope,

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they wait for reactivity, right?

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I don't know who you are

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until you walk in the door.

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Yeah.

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Maybe the idea is that we

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flip the script on that.

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I'm trying to do as many

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stage and script puns as I can, Marissa.

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I'm just hoping you're picking up on that.

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Yeah, you got me.

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I totally got you.

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What are some lessons that

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someone listening who's like, hey, listen,

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this is interesting.

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I'm not in performing arts,

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but I can take something from this.

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I feel like that reactivity

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thing is everywhere.

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Yeah, the reactivity thing is everywhere.

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I mean –

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I kind of come back to like education,

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education, education, right?

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I think the other thing that

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we're learning in,

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we work within a dance school,

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my clinic works within a dance school,

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and we found that we put a

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system in place,

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but people didn't

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necessarily know how to use it, right?

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So we can,

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we can tout that we are proactive,

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but if people, again,

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don't understand the

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language or don't have the

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skills to then navigate it, like,

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So with this school,

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and I think that this can

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work for like regular

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outpatient ortho or folks

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who are not performing

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artists like we have we

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have workshops where we're

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kind of like giving folks

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like a ten minute video to

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learn from before they come

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into the space.

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And then we talk about things like,

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how are you going to manage

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your load over the summer?

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Like,

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so that you're prepared to come back.

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How are you going to manage your load?

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This could be, I'm just giving an example,

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like how can you manage

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your load leading up to a

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marathon so that you don't

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need us so much at the end, right?

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Kind of prehab, if you will,

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which I know a lot of

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people use that word,

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like prehabilitation, education tools.

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And then like,

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we also have a very robust

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list of individuals that we

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cross refer to.

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And I'm not just

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thinking like other PTs.

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I mean,

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we have a healthy list of mental

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health practitioners, dieticians,

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you know, all that kind of thing,

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because we need to make

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sure that folks know that

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something might not just be

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strictly a musculoskeletal issue, right?

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There could be a mental

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health component that's

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getting in the way of them

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getting to where they need to go.

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Sure.

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You do a lot of things, wear a lot of hats,

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a couple of different

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costume changes for you.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Clinician, business owner, parent,

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how do you focus on

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balancing this while also

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pushing for change in your field?

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I think it's easy for people

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to jump into Facebook groups.

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I talk about that a lot and

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sort of yell at clouds and say,

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this sucks.

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But you go out of your way to build,

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you've gone out of your way

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to build something that can-

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be the vehicle for change.

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I want to make sure I gave

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you a nod to that and say,

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what are some things that

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you learned doing that?

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Because it probably wasn't easy.

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No,

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and I don't think past tense is correct

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either because it's still

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not easy and I don't expect

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it to be forever, I think.

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How do I balance it?

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I don't know what balance means,

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but I'm trying very hard.

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Listen,

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I think it's important to note that

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everything that I'm

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involved in makes me very

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passionate and excited and happy.

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And so that makes balancing things, I mean,

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whatever, getting everything done, again,

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balance,

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I don't think is an appropriate

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word when we're talking about me,

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but it makes managing all

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things much easier.

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And it brings me great joy

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to know that I am improving

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the community in which that

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I inhabit and has been a

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part of both as a

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performing artist and a

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professional for a long time.

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And I think community is

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another thing I just said,

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community is so important.

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And I think that I'm so

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indebted to all of the

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individuals who have come

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before me and paved the way

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so that I can be standing

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here talking about these

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like lofty dreams and goals.

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And what I also recognize is

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that for a long time,

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performing arts physical therapy,

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at least like in the city that I live,

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has been pretty siloed.

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And by that,

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I just mean like there've been

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all these incredible practitioners,

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but there hasn't been as

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much cross collaboration and pollination.

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And one thing that I have

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really tried to create,

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which I think in some way

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helps to balance things is

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to recreate community

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within my generation of

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performing arts and

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community in like a myriad of ways.

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Part of that is making sure

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that as clinicians,

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we all know each other.

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We have continuing education

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that we host at my clinic

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where we invite other

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performing arts PTs from

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the area to come in.

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And those have been really

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well attended and I've met

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some incredible individuals.

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And that way we can, like,

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a lot of those people are

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taking care of the folks

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that I see who are injured

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on workers' compensation, like, claims.

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They're taking care of those

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folks backstage that when

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they go back to their show,

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I'm able to be like, hey, so-and-so, like,

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just want you to know this

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person's coming back.

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Like, here's what's up.

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Like,

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and that creates a better community

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for our performers.

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Some of those folks we collaborate with.

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We also create a community

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for our performing artists

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in so much as a lot of

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friends and friends of

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friends know each other within our space,

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which I understand can be

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an intimidating place to heal in,

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and it's not for everyone.

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But we also have strength and

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conditioning sessions for

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folks who are injured to

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kind of get back in the

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show and so we've like

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intentionally

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unintentionally created this

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community where folks can

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heal together and kind of

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get prepared together so it

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shows up in a in a bunch of

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ways there's more than

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enough to go around we are

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we end up being stronger

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together for each other we

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can learn from each other

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and we can create a better

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community for our performing artists

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If someone was listening right now,

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someone within the

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profession of rehabilitation,

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whatever that might be,

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and they wanted to work

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with performing artists,

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they wanted to do something

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similar to what you're doing,

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what would some suggestions be?

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I'll give you a couple of

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different scenarios.

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A student who still hasn't

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graduated yet or someone

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who's been in rehab, wherever that is,

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and is now looking from the

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outside in saying, well,

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how do I get into this?

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What would be a first step

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or two that you'd suggest?

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That's hard.

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I think for new grads, yeah,

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or like people who are

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aspiring to come into Performing Arts PT,

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it's really challenging.

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It's really challenging.

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And you need to...

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it's my personal opinion, obviously,

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but I think it is to

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everyone's benefit if the

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person who is entering into

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working with performing

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artists has had some time

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to develop like pattern

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recognition and like really

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efficient manual skills and

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clinical reasoning skills,

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because you're often the

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first point of medical

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contact if you're with

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someone backstage and you

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need to be prepared to make

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some really challenging

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conversations and get your

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emotions like kind of out of the picture,

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right?

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So I think that I know we like it,

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people who want to work with

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performing arts are like

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really want to work with performing arts,

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but I would say like,

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give yourself a beat and like, go,

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go get some reps in maybe

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like study for your OCS for a hot sec,

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you know?

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Cause I mean, for me,

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that really helps like

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bring a lot of things

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together and make sure that

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you're ready to handle it.

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That's one.

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I think to like learn dance

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culture a little bit or

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performing arts culture,

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performing arts culture is

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different in every space.

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And it's so important to be able to

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kind of put your finger on

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the pulse of the community

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that you're walking into.

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Like Broadway is different

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than modern dance is

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different than ballet is

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different than puppetry.

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And I'm not saying you have

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to be an expert in every single one,

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but kind of understanding

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what that looks like,

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even if you don't

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understand what the codified steps are,

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that's fine.

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You can learn.

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Very important.

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And I think for folks who

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have put in the reps and

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are ready to dip their toes in,

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there's per diem

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opportunities for performing.

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Again, I'm speaking to my city.

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I can't speak to what's happening outside,

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but at least in New York City,

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there are opportunities for...

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clinicians to come in and

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help with some backstage

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coverage to get your feet wet,

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which could also lead to a job eventually,

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or more than a per diem job,

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a more permanent job.

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Yeah.

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Where can people find

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information about your business?

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I wanted to make sure you

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gave out that link and

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people can take a look at

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what you're doing.

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I appreciate that.

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www.flyspacenyc.com.

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Perfect.

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Yeah, you can go to flyspaceNYC.com.

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Is there anything I didn't

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ask that you maybe thought like, hey,

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I hope I get a chance to

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talk about this or when you

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talk with other people who

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do something similar to

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what you do that comes up,

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is there anything I didn't

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get a chance to ask?

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We talked about, yeah,

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my biggest points are like

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the proactive injury

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management and then community building.

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and using each other's

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resources and lifting each other up.

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I think that's the soapbox

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I've been on recently.

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And those two things that

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you just said are very simple to say,

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not necessarily easy to do.

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So how hard could it be?

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It's just get a bunch of

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people to think forward and

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invest in something that

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hopefully will pay dividends in the end.

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But if you do invest in it,

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the chances are you don't see it.

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So it's a lot like selling

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something like insurance

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where you hope the person

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never has to use it.

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Or if it's there, you don't see it.

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And creating community,

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how hard could it be?

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Well,

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these are humans doing human-y things.

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And understanding those

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people and trying to

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facilitate that is very simple to say,

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but not necessarily easy to execute on.

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I could not agree more.

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And one thing I will say is like,

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I feel like I used to be,

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and I'm conditioning myself

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out of being one of those

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people who's like, yeah,

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we're just going to break the internet.

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We're going to make one post

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and everything's going to happen,

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or we're going to have one

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interaction and things are

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going to just change.

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And it's absolutely not.

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I'm sitting here talking

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about shouting to the abyss

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and obviously making plans.

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These are things I expect to see in five,

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ten, fifteen, twenty years.

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And we're planting the seeds

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now and sowing it and

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watching things grow slowly.

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but uh very passionate about

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it happened for a long time

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and I'm I'm here I'm here

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for it yeah good things

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happen that way uh marissa

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last thing we do on each

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episode is called the

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parting shot it's just your

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last chance uh to take a

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bow a mic drop moment

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soapbox statement what

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would you want to leave

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with the audience as we

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wrap up okay well first of

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all like I I am drinking a

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tea oh yeah I've got I've

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got an espresso because we

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are recording at ten

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o'clock in the morning

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Correct, correct.

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So there's no alcohol

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involved in this situation right now.

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But what are my parting words?

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Yeah, parting shot.

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What would you want to leave

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with the audience?

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Yeah.

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I think I want to go back to

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this idea of community.

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I think it's really easy to judge a person

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or an interaction by the

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information that you have in the moment.

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And it's never as easy as that.

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And I think we do ourselves

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a disservice if we don't do

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the work to get more

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information and kind of

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invest in people and

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relationships and things

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without all the data first.

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Which is kind of like

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tangentially related to

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where the name Flyspace came from.

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Flyspace is my business and

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my physical therapy company.

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we were thinking about, and by we,

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I mean me,

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I was thinking about being

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something like onstage PT

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or stage left PT or something like that,

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offstage PT, whatever.

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But then someone,

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a friend of mine mentioned, he was like,

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what about fly space?

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And I was like, well, first of all,

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what's fly space?

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And the fly space is the

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area above the proscenium stage.

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Proscenium is like most

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theater that we see, right?

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With the curtain and the stage, yeah.

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And the audience is sitting out front.

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The fly space is the area

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above the proscenium stage

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where flying set pieces and

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actors are hung.

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And when he said that, I was like,

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you know,

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That's really brilliant.

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And it's brilliant because

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my philosophy has always been,

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if you stand far enough away,

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or in this case up,

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you can start to see all of the players.

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Right.

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And so you're not just

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seeing them from stage, right.

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Where like, you know,

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I'm missing a big chunk, but I'm,

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I'm seeing them from above.

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in the context of their

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surroundings with all the players.

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Right,

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so I start to actually understand

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what's going on and can put

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them in context.

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So how is that?

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Pretty damn good.

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Okay, thanks.

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Marissa Schaffer from Flyspace.

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Thanks so much for taking

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the time and talking with us today.

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We appreciate it.

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My pleasure.

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Thank you.