AI Literacy, Hybrid Care & the Future of PT

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You're listening to the PT Pintcast,

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where smart people in healthcare come to

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make noise.

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Here's your host, Jimmy McKay.

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all right guest today is a founder a

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ceo a professor all those things all at

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once who's bridging the gap between

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artificial intelligence and physical

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therapy they're closer than you think uh

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she's not just talking about the future

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she's already building it from ai powered

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clinical tools to health tech education

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reform she's changing how healthcare sees

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itself let's welcome today's guest hoda

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welcome to the show

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Thanks, Jimmy, for introducing me,

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and I'm happy to talk and introduce

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myself.

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Perfect.

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All right,

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let me take some words out of your

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mouth,

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and let's see if we can get you

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to explain them.

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You say AI is already here.

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What parts of our profession of physical

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therapy and healthcare are already being

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impacted,

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and then most PTs might not even realize

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it?

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So...

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Two things have been impacted very much.

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One is patient monitoring.

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People look at the documentation piece

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separate from the patient monitoring,

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but it's something that is integrated.

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It's not something that people,

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can separate documentation as a whole task

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separate from monitoring because they are

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all integrated in one task but they just

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like to highlight that piece more than the

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patient monitoring because we need to I

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mean documentation is basically monitoring

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but it's just like now it's very like

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highlighted for the purpose of the

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insurance companies

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But basically,

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this started for monitoring the progress

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of your patient.

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And the patient monitoring is not like a

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slowly kind of like a narrowed down to

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documentation.

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It's part of it is also like monitoring

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the hip home exercises and see the

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progress of your patient.

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This is something that is very much

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neglected, actually, like in our practice.

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in our service, in our job.

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And these two pieces are the main function

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of AI, these things.

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Patient monitoring,

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that is combination of,

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I think computer vision is the main piece

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for monitoring people.

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RTM software,

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something that you can track people at

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home, like a homework system,

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like when you're tracking the students for

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the function and also their performance.

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And the other piece is documentation that

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show their progress.

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And you can see like how these things

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are smoothly integrated together.

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The other piece that started but not also

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perfectly focused is about AI literacy.

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this is something very much missing.

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And I thought like, I'm actually like,

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I tried to be hands-on on patient

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monitoring as a CEO of the HemScap,

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try to bring up the pivotal PT integrated

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documentation and computer vision

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together.

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But the other piece of like mine is

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focusing on AI literacy at a school.

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Like as a professor,

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I try to focus my students to learn

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about

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how to track their patients,

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how to like track their progress.

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It's not just like a passing printed

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version of the exercises and talk

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subjectively about their progress.

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So basically AI is here assisting us

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actually highlighting part of our practice

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that is always like a miss from like,

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and we need to educate our students.

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So education about the AI is also missing.

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Okay.

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Well, you just said that term,

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so I'm going to make you sort of

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explain it, right?

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Because it's probably simple to you,

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but not to everybody else.

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You're an educator and founder.

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So what, from those two perspectives,

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does AI literacy actually look like for

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clinicians, students, all of us?

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What does AI literacy look like?

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Right.

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So when I'm talking about like AI literacy

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means you can work from

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basically first with the AI as an

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assistant, like a tool,

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not something that replacing you.

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Some people has a misunderstanding,

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like if I learn AI,

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that may replace me.

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No, that's not the fact.

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The fact is AI literacy is like learning

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how to harness the power of AI and

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then use that ability.

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So for example,

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you will need to learn about how to

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monitor your patients,

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looking at the computer vision

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outcomes you need to learn about like how

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to prompt your the ai for like helping

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with the documentation like helping like

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we did with like writing down the progress

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of your patient this is this is another

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power other than that how to integrate

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your workflow with the use of ai like

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it's simply like it can replace when you

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are prescribing hep by the printed

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like a papers with just like a substituted

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with the RTM that is like equipped with

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the AI and monitor our patient just

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looking at the biomechanical outcomes.

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And that means like we should have it

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as like a physical therapist,

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enough literacy to look at the graphs and

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conclude, make a conclusion out of that.

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And also like a look at the progress

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report of the patient and make a

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conclusion out of that.

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This is AI literacy and also integrated

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with our life,

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our progress and also our workflow,

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knowing where is the best to use the

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AI.

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Also,

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the last piece is we need to learn

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how to educate our patients about the use

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of technology, about the use of AI.

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Not afraid of that,

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being able to stand in front of the

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cameras, knowing how to do that,

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and that's all about literacy.

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These are all pieces that are integrated

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as a literacy.

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And I think it should have been at

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the school for these students,

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not when they graduated.

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So let's talk mindset.

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You've said that the biggest barrier isn't

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technology or regulation.

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It's something emotional.

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It's fear,

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which is most of the time if you

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boil things down,

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that is the biggest barrier.

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Why is fear holding us back in this

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moment when to some of us like you,

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it's very,

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very clear the advantages outweigh the

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fear?

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So why is fear holding a lot of

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people back?

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Yeah.

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let me give you a simple example when

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google started or inner started to come to

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our life a lot of like educators or

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a lot of us like afraid of like

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losing our jobs because or like some

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teachers afraid of like if people are able

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to search things like it on like

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immediately so they're not going to learn

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anything this is the same fear like they

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think like ai is capable to do a

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lot of tasks

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but they're afraid that it can do their

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job.

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But actually, this is not true.

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For a lot of jobs like PT,

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like physical therapy,

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we need to actually leave some of our

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documentation, monitoring,

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and also enhance our practice in the use

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of AI.

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When the clinician is absent,

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what else should we do?

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Obviously,

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the technology is the substitute.

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They can do it at home when we

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are absent.

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We cannot be present everywhere.

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But some people are thinking about it as

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like a replacement.

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So that mindset should change.

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We should embrace it,

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but we should know like what type of

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like how we should change our workflow,

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how we should improve and enhance our

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literacy,

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knowing about like where exactly in the

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software I should look up to infer the

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progress of my patient.

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This is something that is called literacy

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and the mindset basically should change.

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Understood.

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Let's talk in a second about what you're

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specifically creating.

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You're not someone who's just thinking

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about these things.

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You're someone who's deeply involved in

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executing on them.

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So we'll get to that in one second.

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I do want to say thanks to U.S.

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Physical Therapy,

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one of the largest PT organizations in the

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country.

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And they're talking to you if you're a

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clinic owner.

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If you've built something special,

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but scaling that clinic and planning for

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what's next can feel overwhelming.

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US Physical Therapy can help you do that

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without you ever losing control of the

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thing that you've built.

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Find out more now online at their website,

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usph.com and click on partnerships.

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Do also want to thank Brooks IHL,

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that's Brooks Institute of Higher Learning

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in Jacksonville,

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residencies and post-professional

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education in all of the subject matter

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areas, orthopedics, pediatrics,

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geriatrics,

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and kind of everything in between.

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Find out online if there's a path for

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you to where you want to be in

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your career at brooksihl.org.

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That's brooksihl.org.

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Now, Hoda, again,

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I mentioned you're a creator.

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So you're educating in the classroom.

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You're sort of switching lanes a lot,

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I would imagine.

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But you're staying sort of in the same

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domain.

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And one of those things I mentioned in

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the intro is you're a builder.

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So what are you building?

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What is it?

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Who's it for?

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And what does it do?

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So I started with a group of friends

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during the COVID time.

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The company started a company called

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HemScap and we built up the Pivotal PT

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and it's all focused on the patient

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monitoring, all pieces.

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And we have a computer vision AI that

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is for tracking the emotion.

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We have also the documentation piece that

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is basically doing like a progress note

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and also soap notes all together.

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And also like a full RTM.

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So like a remote therapy,

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like a virtual care messaging,

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like all devices or collecting feedbacks,

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all of the things that you can perfectly

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first harness the AI into our benefits.

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And second,

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harness the power of technology

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to help us grow.

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And when I started in twenty one as

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a part of my postdoc as a like

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AI in rehab,

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then I started to transfer the idea of

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like, who's going to learn about that?

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This is missing.

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How they can learn about all these

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complexities,

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because this is complex thing.

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This is not something that I learned in

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the school to be more like a hands

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on person.

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rather than a tech person.

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So no one in the PT school basically

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teaches you how to read the biomechanical

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outcomes.

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Like it's sometimes really hard to like

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look at the visual graphs and infer and

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conclude out of those or even like a

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real report and make a conclusion out of

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this.

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Someone should teach them and

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This is something like ended up me into

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in my faculty position,

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start like educating my students both like

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in two aspects.

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So I started a simulation based teaching

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of AI and patient monitoring in this

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school.

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And it was very successful.

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And I'm going to present it in the

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APTACSM.

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This was something like a session of like

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three hours that the students should learn

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about the use of AI.

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We use the pivotal PT and they have

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to infer from computer vision,

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AI outcomes,

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and also the interaction with the patient,

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how to like,

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basically they can teach their patient to

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use the technology when there is some

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hesitation around the patient.

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So that's what I thought the students in

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the simulation based teaching of the AI in

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the school.

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The other thing that I did was moving

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forward in integrated as a like assignment

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based type of a project over one semester.

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And I did two semesters with that.

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And that was focusing on two things,

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clinical reasoning

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And also the application of AI.

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This was something like when I was reading

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this semester about the feedbacks of the

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students,

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they really liked it because they never

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thought about like AI is not like

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replacing them.

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AI is something that can assist and

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improve their clinical reasoning,

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thinking about it.

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And there's a lot of room to improve

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it.

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But basically, this is a good start.

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This is something that they have to learn

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at the school.

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So I see like there's a kind of

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like a change of the lane.

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I did AI as a postdoc in my

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project for the diabetes,

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like monitoring for the exercise

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monitoring, physical activity monitoring.

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And then I started a company,

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put together.

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Now the company is very functional.

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It's very much focused on the clinical

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reason.

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This is the goal.

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And then now I'm on the education piece

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of that.

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And I think this is a journey that

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I can complete with the collaboration with

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some of the professors,

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some of the faculties that are interested

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to bring up that type of experience in

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their school as well.

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Where should someone go to find out more

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information about what you've built and

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are building?

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So about the HempScap,

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you can go to the HempScap.com or you

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can search Pivotal PT and find a product.

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And we're open to- What are they going

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to find there?

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They're going to find Pivotal PT,

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which does what for who?

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So it does a patient monitoring for the,

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um, like for the physical therapist,

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they can, they can message me there and,

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um, they can ask to use it, um,

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uh, for like, for the clinics.

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This is something that they can find about

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the company, but about the education,

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they can,

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they're feel free to go to the, uh,

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San Homer university and find me like in

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my bio over there.

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And then they can,

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Email me to my school email and then

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we can start a collaboration like on the

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educational piece.

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So this is where like they can find

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me both in the company website,

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in the Hempstead website.

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They can find more about like the

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monitoring is not solely focused on

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messaging, communication,

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nor like a documentation.

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Computer vision is a part of it.

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Patient engagement is very important.

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That's what I thought also,

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like patient engagement,

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adherence of the patient to their plan of

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care.

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This is something that should be monitored

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in my educational.

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And also they can email me and I

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will be in touch with people in the

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CSM also, APTS CSM,

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about how we can collaborate.

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This is something that I want to expand

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it to the other schools and see like

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what are the pitfalls of educating the,

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like improving or enhancing the AI

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literacy.

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both in the simulation-based and also in

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the school-based, like assignment-based.

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Real quick, your presentation at CSM,

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what's the title?

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And then what will someone walk out of

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your talk being able to do that they

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couldn't do before going to your talk?

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So after my talk,

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they are going to gain an idea of

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how successful is going to be

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simulation-based teaching of AI for the

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patient monitoring.

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They can learn about even one session of

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three hours can enhance the ability or the

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literacy of the students about using AI

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for patient monitoring.

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What we like to learn is it can

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to some extent contribute to their

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clinical reasoning,

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but basically clinical reasoning needs

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some digestion in kind of like a one

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semester of a project-based learning.

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But simulation-based learning is something

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that I'm going to talk about it,

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the outcomes and how we implement it.

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the use of AI and how it was

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the interaction between a student and also

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the patient during the simulation-based

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teaching.

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And they learned this is doable.

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This is something that the minimum thing

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they can do at the school for helping

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the students embrace the AI as a tool

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for one, improving their patient care,

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secondly, for assisting them.

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And also third,

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this is something that is coming to our

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life.

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And we need to learn about it and

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integrate it to the workflow.

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This is part of us these days.

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Got it.

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You've said AI won't replace PTs.

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I've heard people say this before.

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It's not going to replace PTs.

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But you say it will replace low value

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care.

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But what's that mean?

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What's that look like in practice?

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Help someone who doesn't understand what

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that means get it.

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So again, I should say that again,

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AI won't,

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will not replace physical therapists.

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Never.

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It doesn't have that capacity.

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So I tried both computer vision,

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generative AI.

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It can help and assist us in some

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aspects, but it's not replacing us.

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Where it has the maximum kind of like

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assistant is where we are absent,

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which is when the patient is by himself

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at home and doing their home exercises.

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This is where we can use AI for

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supervision,

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basically like collecting information from

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the patient performance, progress,

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and then AI is able to

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kind of narrow it down,

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make it abstract report for us.

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And then we can take a look at

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the outcomes and get some idea about the

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progress of a patient.

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So rather than just simply like giving

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them like a printed version of like

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exercises,

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Physical therapy service can enhance,

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like a homework system can be designed by

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the use of AI.

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This is where the maximum level of

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assistance by the AI.

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This is where like we are absent and

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we cannot be present there at all.

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This is something that we will be always

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absent.

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The other piece is we have never

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reimbursed for the help.

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We have never get the benefit of

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Right.

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Home exercises.

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So now there are some RTM codes,

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especially in twenty six,

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that people can get reimbursed for that

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level of effort with the assistance of AI.

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And that is like something that I was

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like when I was practicing it,

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that piece was always absent.

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It was not worth for a lot of

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us to

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spend more time with the patient digging

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into their home exercises because first of

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all we were absent always we're not able

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to monitor patients at home the second

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piece was we're not able to get

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reimbursement for that so those two were

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barriers that we're not able like a

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basically like a

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focus on the home exercises very much or

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patient monitoring very much but now this

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is coming to our life this is something

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that basically like encouraged in the that

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rtm patient monitoring is something that

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like a kind of like a um is

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a new topic hybrid care is now something

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is encouraged by the

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uh cms and so this is something that

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and that's a i mean the home exercise

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is the lowest level of the care but

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the maximum benefit of ai would be there

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we can get the most level of the

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assistance over there all right so again

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we mentioned you're also in education you

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do a lot of things soda but i'm

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going to let you have a pen that

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can rewrite all of physical therapy school

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curriculum tomorrow

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uh what's getting you don't have to worry

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about removing because that is a problem

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right we got to remove something we want

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to add something but let's just say you

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can add a class or two or some

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elements what would you add for the

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physical therapist or the physical

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therapist assistant for the next year five

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ten what needs to be put in there

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starting tomorrow okay um

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it's so what i do is i'm teaching

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the advanced topics in my course in my

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class and there is a like a project

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that i integrated for improving the

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clinical reasoning with the use of air

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this is the minimum step that i was

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able to take it but if i had

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to change the whole curriculum i think the

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ai can

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integrate into the therapeutic exercises

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to the physical therapy services.

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And students should learn about all these

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pieces of using AI in different classes.

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So learn about how they can do the

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hip with the use of AI.

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This is part of the therapeutic exercise

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class.

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As a part of PT services,

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we need to learn about how AI can

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change the workflow from

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only focus on the clinic-based to the

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hybrid model,

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and they can benefit from also the HEP,

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like prescribing HEP.

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This is something else that people can do.

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The other piece is in the MSK courses,

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they need to teach the students to look

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at the outcomes generated by the progress

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notes, documentation,

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and also by the

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uh computer vision and i look at the

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biomechanical outcomes make them more like

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a data driven rather than very much

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observational it's a little bit of a shift

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in how we do our courses but not

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necessarily change the curriculum it's

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more like making us like a try to

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make people make the students more data

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driven these days looking at the report

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looking at the

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looking at the outcome measures,

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biomechanical measures, and then conclude.

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So I think that's the whole thing.

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It's going to be like several pieces that

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can go into the curriculum,

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but not really write it from the scratch.

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The other thing is nowadays documentation

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is now very much enhanced by the use

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of like the saving time money for us

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by the AI.

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So that's another piece like students

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should learn how they can,

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even though they are learning probably

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like in the first year, for example,

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do the documentation from scratch,

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but maybe later on they can learn how

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to get the

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advantages of the AI and learn how to

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do the best documentation that has the

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highest level of the compliance,

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reflecting the progress of the patient in

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like a later years.

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Understood.

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Hoda, we didn't prepare you this,

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but it's time to do the parting shot.

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Are you ready for the parting shot?

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Okay.

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Let's try it.

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This is the parting shot.

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One last mic drop moment.

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No pressure.

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Just your legacy on the line.

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All right,

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But the benefits are you're going to be

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able to spend more time with your

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patients.

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You're going to spend less time doing

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documentation because, of course,

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they have AI enhanced in their EMR.

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The things you need to empower your

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practice as a clinician is

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and the things you need to power the

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back end of your business.

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EmpowerEMR.com.

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So Hoda,

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parting shot is just your last chance for

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a mic drop moment.

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What's the last idea,

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the final thought or sentiment you'd want

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to leave with the audience about

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everything that you talked about today?

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Okay, basically two things.

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One is work on your AI literacy.

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This should have started school.

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This is something that simulation-based

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practice and teaching is one way

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doing the assignment based throughout the

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semester is another way.

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I'm sure there are other ways to enhance

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the AI literacy.

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The second thing is students should learn

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about the hybrid care,

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like remote and also in-person,

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not solely focused on the virtual

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meetings.

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So this is not the case, basically.

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So learning about how to do clinical

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reasoning out of communications,

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out of the AI outcomes,

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out of the progress notes.

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And this is something that should be

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integrated together.

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And patient monitoring is a big piece of

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our practice.

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that is can kind of like a guarantee

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our success because we have a homework

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system like if you leave the student by

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themselves they may not get enough success

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but if you then you had even we

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had to start a homework system so we

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had enough success this is the ai is

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doing the same thing for us understood if

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someone wanted to contact you what is the

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single best way for someone to reach out

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So email me at hsalsabili at

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hymnscap.inc.com.

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And that's the best way.

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Perfect.

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Hoda, thanks for doing what you do.

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Thanks for trying to make this complicated

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thing simple and making sure everybody can

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keep up.

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And hopefully in a year, three, five,

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we see more programs putting the stress on

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this AI literacy so we can empower our

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clinicians and then empower our patients.

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Perfect.

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Thanks, Jimmy, for having me.

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Appreciate it.

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That's it for this one.

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We're just getting warmed up.

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Smash follow, send it to a friend,

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or crank up the next episode.

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And legally, none of this was advice.

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It's for entertainment purposes only.

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Bullshit!

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See, Keith?

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We read the script.

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Happy now?